saintfool
Dead sexy
you're also fogetting NJ which has as much cap space as the bulls...
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the moops
Footballguy
They couldnt do this, I think. They have room for 2 max contracts on top of resigning Wade.Heat - Wade, Boozer, AmareChicago - Lebron, Bosh
boubucarow
Footballguy
I am actually beginning to think this might happen for the first time. As a Bulls fan, I need to stop that and just let things happen.
saintfool
Dead sexy
no way. this is how it all shakes out, imo...chicago - johnson; boozernew jersey - gay;new york - lebron; amaremiami - bosh; wade
Walton Goggins
Footballguy
If I had to bet my life I would pick Bosh and LBJ to the Bulls and Amare joins Wade in Miami. See JJ going to the Knicks.
boubucarow
Footballguy
Just curious, why no way LeBron to the Bulls but yes to LeBron to the Knicks.
Bob N. Weaver
Footballguy
I'm a Villanova Wildcat alum and homer for what it's worth. I was just very surprised that Scottie Reynolds was not drafted. I think I heard that he is the first All American not drafted since the NBA/ABA merger. I mean somebody should have taken a flyer on him. What gives? What are the chances he signs as undrafted free agent?
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure you all have it wrong.
Bosh resigns with Toronto. Get LeBron through a sign and trade for Calderon and Turk.
Bosh resigns with Toronto. Get LeBron through a sign and trade for Calderon and Turk.
saintfool
Dead sexy
he'll be playing overseas.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Pretty shocking that nobody took a flier. Did they even mention him draft night?
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I completely changed by mind on a lot of this. The Hinrich trade made a big difference as well as all the rumors I've been reading.LeBron: BullsWade: MiamiAmare: MiamiBosh: Bulls (they will still need to clear a little cap space but this shouldn't be hard)Dirk: DallasBoozer: New JerseyJoe Johnson: MiamiLee: New YorkJuxtatarot said:
FatMax
Member
Seems reasonable.
saintfool
Dead sexy
some of it the market and opportunities coming from them. some of it is the coach. while thibodeau is respected assistant, he labored under an inexperienced first year coach with mike brown already and it cost them games in playoffs. d'antoni just needs one player to commit before the other dominoes fall. i think amare wants to get paid and appreciated, which is why he'll sign in NY with his former coach. the knicks, with amare in the fold, becomes a very appealing option for lebron quite suddenly.
Sherron Collins was an AA that just went undrafted in the same draft.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
The last 1st Team AP All American not to be drafted in the first 60 picks..............was Larry Miller, in 1968 (drafted 62nd overall).I don't think there's ever been a 1st-Team AP All American who wasn't even drafted.Reynolds will absolutely sign with someone. And he WILL play in the NBA.
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Celph Titled
Footballguy
That he wouldn't meet with Izzo says a lot.
Does it, necessarily? Lebron seems like he's been waiting a long time to enjoy all the attention he's getting/going to get this summer. Izzo would have undoubtedly pressed him for some sort of commitment on returning to Cleveland, which Lebron isn't in a hurry to do, even if he is ultimately leaning toward re-signing.
Masked Vigilante
Footballguy
I initially thought this. But he's told all interested teams that he will meet with them at a 3rd party site (not Akron, not NY/CHI etc). He supposedly doesn't want to be wined and dined.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Apparently the Bulls get a conditional future 2nd round pick. Wizards will be under the cap when the trade becomes official so they can absorb the salaries without sending salaries back to the Bulls.
Dought Man
Footballguy
Mrs H: "Honey, it says here on the ESPN ticker that you just got traded..."Kirk: "Damn, where and for who?"Mrs H: "Lets see..they gave you to the Wizards.."Kirk: "For who?? Must have been someone pretty good to fill my shoes"Mrs H: (Pauses - then mumbles) a 2nd round draft pickKirk: "Dammit, I played for Kansas! I drive a Dodge Stratus!!"I guess Kirk is the one with the last laugh, all the way to the bank...
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
LeBron: Cleveland
Wade: Miami
Amare: New York
Bosh: Cleveland
Dirk: Dallas
Boozer: Miami
Joe Johnson: Chicago
Lee: Chicago
Gay: New Jersey
Wade: Miami
Amare: New York
Bosh: Cleveland
Dirk: Dallas
Boozer: Miami
Joe Johnson: Chicago
Lee: Chicago
Gay: New Jersey
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Masked Vigilante
Footballguy
Lebron will be meeting representatives from the Bulls, Cavs, Knicks, Heat, Clippers and Nets.
I'm putting Chicago as a slight favorite over Cleveland with Miami looming should they clear another max spot. I don't believe the Knicks have much of a chance.
Balco
Footballguy
I still believe New Jersey would be the best spot for him. Lots of young talent, including Brook Lopez. He was double and triple teamed constantly. With a little help, he would be a monster. He can run the floor, and also has solid range for a center.
Masked Vigilante
Footballguy
PG - D. HarrisSG - J. JohnsonSF - L. JamesPF - D. FavorsC - B. Lopez
Balco
Footballguy
I was just thinking Joe Johnson would be a good signing to pair with Lebron (I know, by the way, that the Nets chances of getting Lebron are about 2 %. And that's being generous). But Favors would not cut it at power forward for this year. He is going to have his growing pains. Harris, Johnson, and James would give the Nets 2 players who could handle the ball, and gives them great lineup options (i.e. putting Johnson at PG some times, with Terrance Williams (also a good passer) coming in a 2 guard.Also, as to Devin Harris, the Nets would be wise to try and trade him. I know they are putting on a show, but Avery Johnson and Devin Harris weren't exactly best friends in Dallas. There were rumblings the Timberwolves wanted to get rid of Johnny Flynn, a local product, maybe they could work something out. And if not for Flynn, maybe for Ramon Sessions. I like Harris, as a role player. But he tries to do to much, taking some horrible shots.
Masked Vigilante
Footballguy
Maybe they should try to pry Rubio away instead.
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
He wants nothing to do with the Nets either. Nobody wants anything to do with the Nets.
Eephus
Footballguy
Rubio won't come over until 2012. Drafting him wasn't smart to begin with, but trading him now when his value is at its lowest is too stupid even for David Kahn.
Abraham
Footballguy
Why does everyone assume that winning is the most important thing to lebron? Not to say he wants to go somewhere awful, but things change so quickly in the nba that assuming a team like chicago our miami has a leg up just because they are positioned to win in 2010a but more then the nets or knicks is a bit shortsighted in my view.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Winning is paramount to his legacy. He wants to be considered the best. It is attractive to him to be able to feel comfortable with the organization, city and structure of the team over the next five years. The Knicks can't put a supporting cast around LeBron like the other teams can -- or, at least, it's much less likely. If I would rank them, the Bulls and Heat would rank the same with the Nets and Clippers slightly behind and the Knicks ranked last. The problem with the Heat is it will always be Wade's team. It would be like LeBron getting traded to the Lakers and playing with Kobe. That's why I think the Bulls are the favorites. LeBron will be "the man" even with a second top free agent and Rose playing with him.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
Jay-Z was on Letterman last night & certainly seemed to want to say that he had a jump on those recruiting his friend but couldnt cuz anything of that type b4 7/1 is tampering. I really thought James wanted to give the Cavs a short reprise (2-3 more yrs) to surround him with championship talent, but the team's utter inertia so far this offseason has me thinkin he's gone.
Abraham
Footballguy
I just don't think the whole "he cares about winning!" and "legacy" thing is nearly as important. Or, that its the only important thing. The Bulls have Noah, Rose and Deng. Add Bosh and LBJ and that's a heck of a lineup. But two years from now, when Rose and Noah have to be extended what happens? Conversely, New Jersey could have LBJ and Bosh as well but have a very good big man (which LBJ has never had) and a power forward that could be very good. Are you SURE that in 2011 and 2012 the Bulls will be in that much better shape then the Nets?
Additionally, I don't think that Lebron would give up better opportunities for himself and his brand just for the immediate gratification of a slightly better roster. Chicago is a big market, for sure, but it's not LA or NY. He's talking about trying to be a billion dollar man. I'm sure he wants to win, but considering he's had a team like the Cavs (loaded with mediocre talent) win 60 games each year, I'm not sure that the Clips, Knicks, Nets, Mavs, etc. would be that much worse of a situation in the short (or long) term.
Additionally, I don't think that Lebron would give up better opportunities for himself and his brand just for the immediate gratification of a slightly better roster. Chicago is a big market, for sure, but it's not LA or NY. He's talking about trying to be a billion dollar man. I'm sure he wants to win, but considering he's had a team like the Cavs (loaded with mediocre talent) win 60 games each year, I'm not sure that the Clips, Knicks, Nets, Mavs, etc. would be that much worse of a situation in the short (or long) term.
lol, I heard he just bought a 3 million dollar condo in Chicago, so believe what you want.
Masked Vigilante
Footballguy
I agree with this. The Celtics improved by 42 wins after the Garnett and Allen trade. If the Knicks sign LBJ, Amare and someone like Ray Allen, they'll immediately be the class of the East.
Masked Vigilante
Footballguy
I heard he was looking at mansions in Dallas.Green94 said:
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Jerry Reinsdorf has gone on record as saying he will pay the luxury tax for a championship caliber team and, no doubt, will assure LeBron in person that he will pay Rose and Noah when the time comes.Abraham said:
Balco
Footballguy
If Lebron signs with the Nets, and another max or close to max free agent does as well, the Nets, in my opinion, give him the best shot. Brook Lopez is a fantastic center. He was the only post presence on the Nets. But he still put up nice stats. He has nice post moves, can make a 15 footer, and is a solid defender. If the Nets could get 1 player that could take a defender away from Lopez, look out. And I heard Lebron is pretty good.The main glaring issue is at power forward. The Nets do not need an offensive power forward, they need a solid defender. So Carlos Boozer and Amare Stoudamire should not be considered. Bosh would obviously be a great fit, and many have linked him with Lebron.PG: Devin Harris - I am a fan of Harris as a role player on a playoff team, not as a # 1 or # 2 option. Concentrate on D, and going up in traffic distributing the ball. Wondering if the NEts would deal him in a sign and trade with Toronto involving Bosh. He makes 10 mil.SG: Courtney Lee - Asked to do to much last year. Would be much better as the Bruce Bowen on this team. Play D, spot up and shoot 3's.SF: Lebron - Unquestioned go to guy. Nothing else to sayPF: Chris Bosh - 20-10 power forward would form a monster tandem with LopezC: Brook Lopez - Best young pure center in the game. Unbelievably underrated. Also an unbelievable free throw shooter for a big manBench:G/F: Terrance Williams - Really liked what I saw at the end of the year. Can do everything - except shoot the 3. Needs to play more under control, but he can be a 15-7-5 guy if he got 30 + minutes a gameF: Derrick Favors: Nets need to be patient, but every pundit says he is ready to be a solid NBA defender immediatelyF: Kris Humphries: Very solid energy guy. Type of role player every playoff team needsF: Yi: Just a horrid defender. Great shooting stroke, but he is such a huge liability on D, he should not be part of the rotation.They need a backup PG.Abraham said:
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Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
Balco
Footballguy
Not a Net fan, but I get their games on tv. And I know it sounds crazy after the atrocious year they had, but they have talent. Getting rid of Chris Douglas Roberts and his one on one me first game was a good move.
the moops
Footballguy
Chris Bosh is not a solid defensive power forward.
Walton Goggins
Footballguy
Star players love to play for teams with history with Lakers, Celtics and Bulls being on top. When Lebron goes to Chicago he dines at the same steak house Jordan dined at, at the same exact table and with the same waiter. That waiter in fact told Ford from ESPN that Lebron told him that to save his table since he's signing with the Bulls. Take that for what it's worth.More importantly the people who say that a player like Lebron would never play in Chicago because he doesn't want to follow in Jordan's footsteps must not follow the NBA. Players actually want to do the opposite.Abraham said:
Masked Vigilante
Footballguy
The Nets moving to Brooklyn and changing their name (likely) is an added marketing bonus for the team. Obviously it won't sway Lebron, but it certainly won't hurt.
Agree.
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