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They need to implode the roster, except for Varejo. I would look to deal long term contracts for expiring deals. They will have a tough time, though. Even though his salary is high, I think Jamison offers some value to teams. I think Hickson is in the last year of his deal.I would be looking to get players like Eddy Curry and Michael Redd. Players with big contracts.There is a ton of work that needs to be done.Gr00vus said:
Williams has 2 years left on his deal (one is a player option but he'll pick it up). I can't imagine anyone wanting him for a playoff run. He has shown how 'valuable' he is the last couple years in the playoffs. They might be able to ditch Jamison on someone near the deadline if he stays healthy all season and is around his usual 20/10.
I don't think Gomes is a horrible player. Not a star by any means, but he is serviceable. What the Clips need, much like I said about the Nets earlier, is another scorer to pair with Gordon. Baron Davis is a chucker, just horrible %'s all the way around.Griffin is still eligible for ROY. And like I said earlier the Clips look good on paper, but that's happened so many times before. Gomes plays the 3, but I don't think you want him starting there. Maybe the TWolves fans can chime in again? Maybe the Clips are saving cap space so they can get shunned by Anthony next offseason.
I think Jamison will be attractive to a couple of teams. In fact, I think he would be a nice trade target for the Nets. Veteran presence that would fill a huge void at power forward, and only has 2 more years on his deal. Nets have cap room, that is for sure..
I don't see how acquiring expiring contracts is going to help the Cavs much. Apart from a less appetizing free agent class and the fact that Cleveland isn't high on the priority list for free agents to begin with, there's the whole CBA negotiation thing. Who knows what the value of cap space will be, what cap space means, or even if the cap exists.
My position is that the Cavs need to implode the roster and start from scratch. Getting players with contracts coming off the books expedites that process. This is a lottery team in it's current state. And that is with some tough contracts.
not what i was implying, but he was definitely more of a facilitator than the guy taking the last shot. this thread is about lebron and not magic, so lets try to stay focused here ok?Gr00vus said:
Just an awful, awful team, some of whom bought into Brown's defensive scheme as their only real way to complement LBJ. Cavs never understood how to accessorize the King's game, so he was always a supermodel in patched clothing. Y'all are about to see summin you may never have seen - he's gonna be having fun playing ball for the 1st time since high school and, because of the Troika, may be as unencumbered by defensive coverage as any superstar ever has been. Wouldnt be at all surprised to see him lead the league in assists. That said, i'm happy to see the bad vibes coming away from his "coronation" - hate how stars from Miley Cyrus to LeBron assume we're going to take them as seriously as they take themselves.
i agree 100%. if lebron and either one of the other 2 picked chicago, they would be even more dominant. And if all 3 went to the Bulls, fugheddaboudit. Which is why i think this was more about lifestyle and selfish choices than they make it seemboubucarow said:
Maybe they think Noah is a #### and don't like Rose's game.
selfish for who? How is choosing lifestyle and friendship over money selfish? What exactly are any of them keeping for themselves that they could or should share?
Or maybe they realize that the three of them together are better than any two of them and Rose and Noah. And I can buy that argument, except the Wade and Lebron + Noah and Rose.
Which assist record? Stockton's career assist record is sooooo far out of reach that nobody will be touching that anytime soon, perhaps ever. And Skiles' 30 dimes in one game will be tough to beat, too. Can't we short white guys keep any NBA records?boubucarow said:
Please?
Thanks JMon- you can trust me. I will pay if it doesn't happen.GO HEAT!! (In the regular season, that is.)JMon348 said:
i fully support lebron's choice. i think he made a great decision for himself. moreover, i think great decisions were also made by bosh and wade. i think they trust one another to get the job done. this is not something that cleveland, chicago, new york or jersey could offer. there is a kind of respect and accountability that goes into this. he trusts wade. wade trusts bosh and is likely vouching to a degree for lebron's sake; bosh knows he can trust the two of them. it's all on them now to make this work.this could make them legends but it also could totally blow up in their faces. they can enjoy themselves, playing a great game among friends, and vie for a championship but there better be a purpose to this. otherwise, the fans are never going to forgive the NBA, the media and these players. those 95-96 bulls with jordan were as serious as a heart attack game in and game out. there was fun to be had but jordan never lost focus. these guys know that, because of the cap, they are going to really have to shoulder the load this year. it doesn't have to be the pursuit for perfection but they better prepare for a difficult season ahead. teams - good and bad - will go after them every single night.
I was just going to check how many teams have won 65 or more games recently, anyone know?
Isn't the over/under set at 65.5 right now on some books?
I like your side of the bet better. It is a lot of wins and lots can happen, but this is an unreal collection of talent.
Cavs won 66 and Lakers won 65 two years agoCelts won 66 in 07-08Mavs won 67 in 06-07Prior to that it hadn't happened since the Lakers won 67 in 99-00So it has happened 4 times in the past 4 seasons, but not in the prior 5 seasonsWhat's so striking is the small margin of error thereEven in the past 4 seasons the teams that did so barely squeaked by
Its just my opinion, nothing in this thread is fact. No matter how we slice and dice it...the NBA has my attention. At least for the first week of the upcoming seasonselfish for who? How is choosing lifestyle and friendship over money selfish? What exactly are any of them keeping for themselves that they could or should share?
Some other close ones as well... Pistons won 64 and Spurs 63 in 05-06.And none of those teams looked as good as this Heat team on paper.
Been done 15 times in NBA history (17 if you count teams that were on pace in shortened seasons). Actually, it's happened alot recently. 4 times since '06.'06-07 Mavericks, '07-'08 Celtics, '08-'09 Cavs and LakersI'd say you made a pretty good bet. NBA has too many teams. Heat could have some serious problems in the playoffs, but they will be built to dominate the regular season. They could have 2 of their best 3 players have horrible nights and still win on 90% of the nights they play.You've got 17 losses to work with.They play 24 games against teams that, imo, there's a reasonable chance they could lose (ORL,ATL,CHI,BOS,LAL,DAL,DEN,OKC,POR). If they split those, they'd still have 5 "we partied too hard in SB last night to care about the Nets" nights to work with.
This would make me lean under, even moreso with the "official" line @65.5
Yup, I agree from a astrict betting perspective
I'd feel safer with JMon's side. Miami has the talent, but they need to mesh like an elite team. The Celts did it in time their first year together and this big 3 has played together already in the Olympics. 65 wins in basketball is probably like 14 in football very possible but you need things to go right.
He just promised that they would win a championship before the Heat do. They don't need to win one, because in case you missed it Gilbert sent the Cleveland Curse onto Miami along with LeDouche. If Gilbert had those powers why didn't he exercise it yrs ago?Gr00vus said:
This makes me feel a little better. I have to admit I didn't think about this all too closely before making the bet.
Korver>Miller IMO
Uh, no.
I'm willing to admit it may be biased by him shooting .65% from the field and .71% from 3 against the Lakers in the playoffs. What makes Miller better?
Tough to win it all w/o playing any defense. Who will stop someone down low?
Love signing and it was a great price. Still lets the Bulls explore bringing in Redick, Childress and Brewer.
Korver is a better 3 point shooter than Miller and that's about it. I am pretty sure Korver shot over 50 % from 3 during the regular season (Miller shot 48 % I believe). There is a reason why Korver is used strictly as a 3 point specialist. He is the best in the league in his role, but that is his only role. He is really going to help Chicago, who seemed to be lacking a great 3 point shooter.
Why would they want Reddick when they signed Korver?Love signing and it was a great price. Still lets the Bulls explore bringing in Redick, Childress and Brewer.
It's close though. Miller: 0.405 career 3ptKorver: 0.410 career 3pt
Ya because when you hear the name Mike Miller you think of all around talent.
