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saintfool said:
Abraham said:
I really like this trade for the Jazz. Jefferson is a talented young center and there is no reason he shouldn't be 22/10 with WIlliams running the offense. BTW - another good center in the west.
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al jeff has yet to prove that he's really up to playing the 5. sloan will not put up with him being a candyass in salt lake...
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I think he's all candyass, unless he gets to be a black hole in the post.
 
Notorious T.R.E. said:
saintfool said:
Abraham said:
I really like this trade for the Jazz. Jefferson is a talented young center and there is no reason he shouldn't be 22/10 with WIlliams running the offense. BTW - another good center in the west.
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al jeff has yet to prove that he's really up to playing the 5. sloan will not put up with him being a candyass in salt lake...
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I think he's all candyass, unless he gets to be a black hole in the post.
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honestly, i think he's better off playing PF. this move likely doesn't please millsap. he's thinking that he's earned the right to start. they have more money tied up in either jefferson or okur than they do in him each year. he's going to be an attractive option for trading given his cheap contract and age. i expect AK to get an extension but for much, much less than the $17mm he's getting now.
 
Am I foolish to think the Knicks could possibly win 45-48 games and be a #5 seed this year?

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C Turiat/Russian Dude/Jordan/maybe even Randolph

PF Amare

SF Danilo

SG Chandler

PG Felton

Bench (this is actually a solid bench)

Anthony Randolph, Azebuke, Douglas, Walker

 
Lakers-Kings have a pretty good summer league game going on. Caracter looks like a good player, and he's playing decent post-defense on Cousins, who definitely has an NBA ready post game. If the Lakers don't have room on the roster for him, he might be a good pickup for someone like the Heat.

 
thecatch said:
Lakers-Kings have a pretty good summer league game going on. Caracter looks like a good player, and he's playing decent post-defense on Cousins, who definitely has an NBA ready post game. If the Lakers don't have room on the roster for him, he might be a good pickup for someone like the Heat.
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Caracter is definitely making the team, not only is he playing great in Summer League but the Lakers arent bringing back Mbenga or Powell, leaving Pau, Bynum, and Odom as their only PF/C's.Cousins looks great, hard to imagine getting a steal at number 4 but it looks like that may be the case. Wall and Cousins have looked great, Turner and Favors have looked ok.Also regarding the Lakers, not only is Kobe meeting with Raja Bell tomorrow, but rumors are he's also meeting with Kurt Thomas.
 
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JMon348 said:
thecatch said:
Lakers-Kings have a pretty good summer league game going on. Caracter looks like a good player, and he's playing decent post-defense on Cousins, who definitely has an NBA ready post game. If the Lakers don't have room on the roster for him, he might be a good pickup for someone like the Heat.
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Caracter is definitely making the team, not only is he playing great in Summer League but the Lakers arent bringing back Mbenga or Powell, leaving Pau, Bynum, and Odom as their only PF/C's.Cousins looks great, hard to imagine getting a steal at number 4 but it looks like that may be the case. Wall and Cousins have looked great, Turner and Favors have looked ok.Also regarding the Lakers, not only is Kobe meeting with Raja Bell tomorrow, but rumors are he's also meeting with Kurt Thomas.
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Cousins was actually drafted fifth. I think he will be the best player out of this draft.
 
saintfool said:
Masked Vigilante said:
Bell/Kobe/Artest could lock up Wade/James
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great end of game option for LA certainly. bell would be the first guy off the bench, i guess, for the regular season.
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I like bell as a 15-20 mpg role player, but you guys are overstating his value. He is a undersized old sg who's best days were likely 5 or 6 years ago, he is no longer a defensive stopper, just a good defender. I think he'll be valuable to whoever gets him, but as an 8th or 9th man.
 
biggamer3 said:
Am I foolish to think the Knicks could possibly win 45-48 games and be a #5 seed this year?Starters:C Turiat/Russian Dude/Jordan/maybe even RandolphPF AmareSF DaniloSG ChandlerPG FeltonBench (this is actually a solid bench)Anthony Randolph, Azebuke, Douglas, Walker
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I was curious so I went ahead and calculated this using Wins Produced. This is the rotation as follows.Starting 5 - with estimated Wins ProducedPG Felton 35 mpg (career) - 6.5 winsSG Chandler 34 mpg (past 2 years) - 4.6 winsSF Gallinari 35 mpg (+1.1 mpg from last year) - 4.7 winsPF Amare 35 mpg (career avg) - 12.7 winsC Ronny Turiaf 20 mpg (career avg) - 1.5 winsBENCHSG/SF Azubuike 25 mpg (career) - 6.5 winsPF/C Randolph 30 mpg (+10.4 from career) - 6.5 wins PG/SG Douglas 15 mpg (left over from Felton/Chandler/Buike) - 1.9 winsSG Bill Walker 10 mpg (left over from perimeter players) - 2.2 winsTotal: 47.1 wins producedETA: I did an alternate calculation with Gallinari and Chandler listed as 3/4 vs pure 3 and Chandler listed as a 2/3 vs pure 2 and that dropped the projected team wins to 43.7I actually was surprised but based on my rough estimate of the NYK rotation and using the players' 3 year averages of Adj.P48 (if available) it predicts the NYK would win 47 games. So certainly they have the talent to win that many games.However, I take this with a grain of salt because the calculations were based on a HEALTHY 9 man rotation playing for ALL 82 games. So 47 wins is basically the win total under optimal conditions.With players such as Amare and Turiaf with injury histories, any missed games would decrease the # of wins this club could achieve. Also players like Randolph and Azubuike are coming off of major injuries so who knows if they'll produce at their past levels. These concerns probably outweigh the impact of potential improvement of the young players. Also scrub players will cut into some of these minutes so that chops off some wins too. Considering everything I would guess the NYK will win between 35-40 games with 45 being the most I would expect from the team. Not a great team but certainly one that could be in the playoffs in the East.
 
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Ferris Bueller Fan said:
saintfool said:
Masked Vigilante said:
Bell/Kobe/Artest could lock up Wade/James
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great end of game option for LA certainly. bell would be the first guy off the bench, i guess, for the regular season.
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Raja Bell isn't an elite defender anymore. His defense has declined a lot the last three years. His injuries won't help him, and he will be 34 when the season starts. He can still shoot corner threes, but if LAL is expecting him to contribute 20-24 MPG, they are going to be disappointed.
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Artest isn't an elite defender any more. He can match power with perimeter guys with a lot of upper body strength, but he can't keep the quick wings in front of him. Offensively, Artest will have a few spells where he will try to prove he is still a go-to guy, and Kobe won't like that one bit.
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Mr. PadresLakers said:
Ferris Bueller Fan said:
saintfool said:
Masked Vigilante said:
Bell/Kobe/Artest could lock up Wade/James
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great end of game option for LA certainly. bell would be the first guy off the bench, i guess, for the regular season.
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Raja Bell isn't an elite defender anymore. His defense has declined a lot the last three years. His injuries won't help him, and he will be 34 when the season starts. He can still shoot corner threes, but if LAL is expecting him to contribute 20-24 MPG, they are going to be disappointed.
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Artest isn't an elite defender any more. He can match power with perimeter guys with a lot of upper body strength, but he can't keep the quick wings in front of him. Offensively, Artest will have a few spells where he will try to prove he is still a go-to guy, and Kobe won't like that one bit.
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The offensive part ended up being 100% true. The Lakers basically made freezing Ron out of the offense part of the game plan in the playoffs.
 
No. 16 said:
Mr. PadresLakers said:
Zaxxon said:
The offensive part ended up being 100% true. The Lakers basically made freezing Ron out of the offense part of the game plan in the playoffs.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-pl9y4X1XQ
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Gotta Love Ron Artest.I actually felt bad for the guy.... his confidence in his offensive game completely disappeared last year. It wasn't too long ago when he was an offensive option for playoff teams.
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Ron Artest is a really entertaining guy. I hope that none of it is fake but I have a sneaking suspicion that at least some of it has to be something he plays up.
 
Ferris Bueller Fan said:
Zaxxon said:
The offensive part ended up being 100% true. The Lakers basically made freezing Ron out of the offense part of the game plan in the playoffs.
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Don't spend much time on PL's replies to my posts. He stalks me in all of the basketball threads and posts stuff just to inflame and disagree. He's usually there within minutes of me hitting "Post", and there's no consistent POV other than disagreeing with whatever I posted. If this board was brick-and-mortar life, I'd have a restraining order on him. But it's just a message board, so it's best to just shrug the ol' shoulders and move along.
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It's not my fault that you say a lot of stuff that is incorrect. It's not my fault that you use a lot of words incorrectly. I use descriptors like stupid and ######ed with you a lot. That's not because of any disagreement we have, but because of all the stupid things you say that are simply wrong, and the frequently clumsy manner in which you do them. And it's a one-way street with you. You have no qualms with bumping others' posts that are months and years old to make fun of them. You make statements unrelated to the topic at hand to make fun of users. But if someone dares make fun of you, you beg them to stop and/or conclude that they are a terrible person stalking you . I don't have much respect or patience for double standard bearers like that.
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:lmao: I'm just saying you if Raja Bell is not an elite defender the same way Kobe Bryant and Ron Artest are not elite defenders, I hope the meeting goes well tomorrow.

 
biggamer3 said:
Am I foolish to think the Knicks could possibly win 45-48 games and be a #5 seed this year?Starters:C Turiat/Russian Dude/Jordan/maybe even RandolphPF AmareSF DaniloSG ChandlerPG FeltonBench (this is actually a solid bench)Anthony Randolph, Azebuke, Douglas, Walker
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One would have to think that Randolph would start over Turiaf if he's healthy.
 
Glaven said:
Can someone explain to me why Jordan Crawford is going in the late 20's in most mock drafts? He was fantastic offensively for Xavier, and really played out of this world in the tourney, and at 6'4.5 he has adequate size for a shooting guard. What is it that's keeping him from being a lottery pick?
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bump on this.Jordan Crawford was efficient shooting jump shots, efficient shooting off the dribble, efficient driving to the hoop (though he probably doesn't drive to the hoop enough), has adequate size, good quickness, and sick range. His offensive game is very polished and NBA ready imo. Why is it that he lasted so long in the draft? I don't know much about players' defensive capabilities, so am I right to assume that Crawford is a well below average defender?
 
Ferris Bueller Fan said:
Zaxxon said:
The offensive part ended up being 100% true. The Lakers basically made freezing Ron out of the offense part of the game plan in the playoffs.
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Don't spend much time on PL's replies to my posts. He stalks me in all of the basketball threads and posts stuff just to inflame and disagree. He's usually there within minutes of me hitting "Post", and there's no consistent POV other than disagreeing with whatever I posted. If this board was brick-and-mortar life, I'd have a restraining order on him. But it's just a message board, so it's best to just shrug the ol' shoulders and move along.
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:mellow: :wall: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
 
Cavs sign Kyle Lowry from the Rockets for 4/26. A bit much for a backup, but he's really good with the Rockets. Houston has 7 days to match. Problem is that if they match this deal then they have to worry about someone signing Scola to big money and losing him to save Lowry. I would have thought Lowry would earn a 3/12 or 4/15 deal.

 
Abraham said:
Cavs sign Kyle Lowry from the Rockets for 4/26. A bit much for a backup, but he's really good with the Rockets. Houston has 7 days to match. Problem is that if they match this deal then they have to worry about someone signing Scola to big money and losing him to save Lowry. I would have thought Lowry would earn a 3/12 or 4/15 deal.
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WINNING!
 
Abraham said:
Cavs sign Kyle Lowry from the Rockets for 4/26. A bit much for a backup, but he's really good with the Rockets. Houston has 7 days to match. Problem is that if they match this deal then they have to worry about someone signing Scola to big money and losing him to save Lowry. I would have thought Lowry would earn a 3/12 or 4/15 deal.
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I believe 4th year is a team option.Also, if Chandler stays on the court, I like what the Mavs are doing, and they seem to have some flexibility around the trading deadline.
 
Abraham said:
Cavs sign Kyle Lowry from the Rockets for 4/26. A bit much for a backup, but he's really good with the Rockets. Houston has 7 days to match. Problem is that if they match this deal then they have to worry about someone signing Scola to big money and losing him to save Lowry. I would have thought Lowry would earn a 3/12 or 4/15 deal.
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i guess this closes another chapter in the telfair saga.
 
Also, if Chandler stays on the court, I like what the Mavs are doing, and they seem to have some flexibility around the trading deadline.
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Agreed - I know that Dallas has had trouble recently in the playoffs playing up to their potential, but this team has many of the necessary components (mainly a lead scorer and depth inside) to challenge the Lakers.
 
Notorious T.R.E. said:
Glaven said:
biggamer3 said:
Am I foolish to think the Knicks could possibly win 45-48 games and be a #5 seed this year?Starters:C Turiat/Russian Dude/Jordan/maybe even RandolphPF AmareSF DaniloSG ChandlerPG FeltonBench (this is actually a solid bench)Anthony Randolph, Azebuke, Douglas, Walker
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One would have to think that Randolph would start over Turiaf if he's healthy.
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At center? Oof.
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Well technically Amare would be C....NY KNICKS BASKETBALL...DRIVING FOR .500 WHILE WAITING FOR CARMELO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111
 
biggamer3 said:
Am I foolish to think the Knicks could possibly win 45-48 games and be a #5 seed this year?Starters:C Turiat/Russian Dude/Jordan/maybe even RandolphPF AmareSF DaniloSG ChandlerPG FeltonBench (this is actually a solid bench)Anthony Randolph, Azebuke, Douglas, Walker
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Extremely foolish.
 
Bobcat10 said:
Abraham said:
Cavs sign Kyle Lowry from the Rockets for 4/26. A bit much for a backup, but he's really good with the Rockets. Houston has 7 days to match. Problem is that if they match this deal then they have to worry about someone signing Scola to big money and losing him to save Lowry. I would have thought Lowry would earn a 3/12 or 4/15 deal.
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I believe 4th year is a team option.Also, if Chandler stays on the court, I like what the Mavs are doing, and they seem to have some flexibility around the trading deadline.
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It doesn't matter. Cavs are the favorites next year. Just like last year. No other team should even show up. :lmao:
 
Cliff Clavin said:
biggamer3 said:
Am I foolish to think the Knicks could possibly win 45-48 games and be a #5 seed this year?Starters:C Turiat/Russian Dude/Jordan/maybe even RandolphPF AmareSF DaniloSG ChandlerPG FeltonBench (this is actually a solid bench)Anthony Randolph, Azebuke, Douglas, Walker
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Extremely foolish.
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I dpn't know about extremely (the ESPN stat guys did the same thing and came up with 39-43 wins), but at best they're battling for the 7th seed with the current roster. Having said that, I wouldn't be shocked if they have one more biggish move in them either before the season or at the deadline in offloading Curry to someone that wants some cap relief. They also maintained some semblance of cap flexibility.
 
Sammy3469 said:
Cliff Clavin said:
biggamer3 said:
Am I foolish to think the Knicks could possibly win 45-48 games and be a #5 seed this year?Starters:C Turiat/Russian Dude/Jordan/maybe even RandolphPF AmareSF DaniloSG ChandlerPG FeltonBench (this is actually a solid bench)Anthony Randolph, Azebuke, Douglas, Walker
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Extremely foolish.
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I dpn't know about extremely (the ESPN stat guys did the same thing and came up with 39-43 wins), but at best they're battling for the 7th seed with the current roster. Having said that, I wouldn't be shocked if they have one more biggish move in them either before the season or at the deadline in offloading Curry to someone that wants some cap relief. They also maintained some semblance of cap flexibility.
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39-43 wins is a big difference from 45-48.
 
Cliff Clavin said:
Sammy3469 said:
Cliff Clavin said:
biggamer3 said:
Am I foolish to think the Knicks could possibly win 45-48 games and be a #5 seed this year?Starters:C Turiat/Russian Dude/Jordan/maybe even RandolphPF AmareSF DaniloSG ChandlerPG FeltonBench (this is actually a solid bench)Anthony Randolph, Azebuke, Douglas, Walker
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Extremely foolish.
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I dpn't know about extremely (the ESPN stat guys did the same thing and came up with 39-43 wins), but at best they're battling for the 7th seed with the current roster. Having said that, I wouldn't be shocked if they have one more biggish move in them either before the season or at the deadline in offloading Curry to someone that wants some cap relief. They also maintained some semblance of cap flexibility.
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39-43 wins is a big difference from 45-48.
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Not really when you're talking about a .500 level team. It's basically a 6 win swing based on "full health" (i.e. I believe the ESPN guys just used last years numbers) and just by the percentages some .500 level club will win 45-48 this year. Caveat: I'm in no way saying the Knicks are great, but simply a mediocre team that should have anywhere from 35-50 wins depending on health, etc. But Dolan's sold all his season tickets, so who really cares how good they are :goodposting:
 
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bg0546 said:
Bobcat10 said:
Abraham said:
Cavs sign Kyle Lowry from the Rockets for 4/26. A bit much for a backup, but he's really good with the Rockets. Houston has 7 days to match. Problem is that if they match this deal then they have to worry about someone signing Scola to big money and losing him to save Lowry. I would have thought Lowry would earn a 3/12 or 4/15 deal.
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I believe 4th year is a team option.Also, if Chandler stays on the court, I like what the Mavs are doing, and they seem to have some flexibility around the trading deadline.
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It doesn't matter. Cavs are the favorites next year. Just like last year. No other team should even show up. :bye:
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Ferris Bueller Fan said:
saintfool said:
Masked Vigilante said:
Bell/Kobe/Artest could lock up Wade/James
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great end of game option for LA certainly. bell would be the first guy off the bench, i guess, for the regular season.
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Raja Bell isn't an elite defender anymore. His defense has declined a lot the last three years. His injuries won't help him, and he will be 34 when the season starts. He can still shoot corner threes, but if LAL is expecting him to contribute 20-24 MPG, they are going to be disappointed.
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I'd rather Kobe and the Lakers focused on resigning Shannon Brown than trying to bring Raja Bell on board. Brown might not ever be as productive a player as Bell was at his peak, but he's still got room to improve and probably could give you more than Bell going forward. Bell is going the other way. Plus Brown brings energy that the now very old Lakers roster will need. Sure it's inconsistent, but with the rest of the roster the way it is he's a potential spark it'd be good to have around.I don't understand the Kurt Thomas thing - he's going to sign for the veteran minimum? And what does he have left to contribute at this point?
 
Rockets guard Kyle Lowry signed an offer sheet with the Cleveland Cavaliers on Tuesday, his agent Andy Miller said, giving the Rockets seven days to match the offer to keep their backup point guard.

Miller would not discuss the specifics of the offer, but the Cavaliers were expected to offer much or all of their mid-level exception, potentially making the deal worth as much as $24 million over four years.

Rockets general manager Daryl Morey has often said the team intended to match offers that Lowry and forward Luis Scola, who is also a restricted free agent, receive. Miller said the Rockets received the offer sheet Tuesday in Las Vegas.

Miller said he and Morey exchanged text messages on Tuesday, but that Morey did not indicate that he made a decision about matching the offer. He would not discuss whether Lowry hoped that the Rockets would opt not to match, allowing Lowry to move to the Cavaliers.

Lowry had said he was hoping to find a starting position, but would not be opposed to returning to his role as Aaron Brooks' backup with the Rockets.

Lowry, acquired in a three-team trade in Feb. 2009, averaged 9.1 points and 4.5 assists in 68 games with the Rockets last season.
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No. 16 said:
Mr. PadresLakers said:
Zaxxon said:
The offensive part ended up being 100% true. The Lakers basically made freezing Ron out of the offense part of the game plan in the playoffs.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-pl9y4X1XQ
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Gotta Love Ron Artest.I actually felt bad for the guy.... his confidence in his offensive game completely disappeared last year. It wasn't too long ago when he was an offensive option for playoff teams.
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He struggled adjusting to the Lakers offense last year. He also had a busted shooting hand for most of last season which caused him problems. I expect he'll do better offensively this year with a full year of experience with the team/Phil/the triangle/his role in his pocket and hopefully less injuries.
 
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