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[Kev4029]

Nene is a FA i believe next year, Knicks fans on forums actually would prefer to add Nene to this Nucleus next year or Marc Gasol instead of unloading 3 players for Melo

He has a player option after this season then becomes a free agent after the 2011-2012 season... he would be a poor fit next to Amare too.

 

[simmonjm]

Nene is a FA i believe next year, Knicks fans on forums actually would prefer to add Nene to this Nucleus next year or Marc Gasol instead of unloading 3 players for Melo

PG FeltonSG FieldsSF GalloPF AmareC Nene6th man ChandlerWould be a nice line up that lets the Knicks at least compete with Orlando, Miami, Boston. I would much rather have Nene than M. Gasol. as I think he is the perfect compliment to Amare

 

[biggamer3]

Nene is a FA i believe next year, Knicks fans on forums actually would prefer to add Nene to this Nucleus next year or Marc Gasol instead of unloading 3 players for Melo

ETA: and Nene has a player option next year for 11.6 which he won't be turning down.

why not? if a team would give him 40M for 4 years he would

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Nene is a FA i believe next year, Knicks fans on forums actually would prefer to add Nene to this Nucleus next year or Marc Gasol instead of unloading 3 players for Melo

ETA: and Nene has a player option next year for 11.6 which he won't be turning down.

why not? if a team would give him 40M for 4 years he would

Because a team won't be doing that until a new CBA is in place and when it is in place, Nene probably won't get that much.

 

[Kev4029]

Nene is a FA i believe next year, Knicks fans on forums actually would prefer to add Nene to this Nucleus next year or Marc Gasol instead of unloading 3 players for Melo

ETA: and Nene has a player option next year for 11.6 which he won't be turning down.

why not? if a team would give him 40M for 4 years he would

He doesn't have the luxury of waiting until FA to accept or decline his option, so it would be a complete gamble on his part. He'll be a Nugget next year.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Nene is a FA i believe next year, Knicks fans on forums actually would prefer to add Nene to this Nucleus next year or Marc Gasol instead of unloading 3 players for Melo

ETA: and Nene has a player option next year for 11.6 which he won't be turning down.

why not? if a team would give him 40M for 4 years he would

Because a team won't be doing that until a new CBA is in place and when it is in place, Nene probably won't get that much.

And in case you missed my other edit, Gasol is also not a FA next summer he is an RFA.

 

[biggamer3]

Nene is a FA i believe next year, Knicks fans on forums actually would prefer to add Nene to this Nucleus next year or Marc Gasol instead of unloading 3 players for Melo

ETA: and Nene has a player option next year for 11.6 which he won't be turning down.

why not? if a team would give him 40M for 4 years he would

Because a team won't be doing that until a new CBA is in place and when it is in place, Nene probably won't get that much.

And in case you missed my other edit, Gasol is also not a FA next summer he is an RFA.

I dont want Gasol either way, guy is pretty overrated. Nene is a thrill to watch, i dont know how he doesnt have better stats, every time i watch the Nugs he impresses me.I find it comical that Melo would waste his prime on a bad Nets team. Denver has a much better roster then the Nets would have and Nets are always going to be in the Knicks shadow

 

[Kev4029]

I dont want Gasol either way, guy is pretty overrated. Nene is a thrill to watch, i dont know how he doesnt have better stats, every time i watch the Nugs he impresses me.I find it comical that Melo would waste his prime on a bad Nets team. Denver has a much better roster then the Nets would have and Nets are always going to be in the Knicks shadow

He is the most timid player in the NBA, he has the size and skills to be an all pro but he doesn't demand the ball and disappears for quarters at a time. Once Melo leaves he'll start putting up better stats, but not great stats. Hes a pretty horrid defender off his man too, which would make a Amare-Nene front court comical defensively.

 

[Kiddnets]

But has Billups agreed to play in New Jersey. Last I heard, he wanted a buyout.

PG: Billups

SG: Hamilton

SF: Melo

PF: Humphries

C: Lopez

The front court would have zero depth. Hamilton is a shell of his former self. I just don't like it.

The Nets would probably have some front court depth comin to them. The Nuggs would look to dump Harrington and a Vujacic for Harrington deal works as long as its a 1 for 1 trade separate from the main trade.

If Joe Dumars didn't think it would work with Rip/Billups in their prime and two big men who could actually defend, why does Russian Mark Cuban think it will now with an over the hill backcourt and Lopez/Humphries?Horrible trade for the Nets, IMO. They give away almost all of their assets to rebuild + get saddled with Melo AND Rip for the next 3 years for ~$100 million.

Saddled with Melo? Maybe not the best all around player but give me a break. His teams have been winning 50 games a year basically since he joined them.

That's great that Melo has been part of 50 win team (only after Billups came aboard), but why pay all the cash and give away all those assets for a possible 50 win team that has ZERO chance of winning an NBA title. It takes at least two studs to win an NBA title and after this deal I'm not sure how else the Nets can get that 2nd stud. Looks like they may have a chance of getting CP3 down the line, which is the only way to make all this trade worth it.

This deal makes the Nets relevant again...yes it takes away most of their assets but the Proky blueprint leaked to the media is that it is a star league and you need a star to recruit another to compete for a championship..I guarantee you the plan is for Melo to recruit Paul into their brand new arena when he is a FA. And after one of the worst seasons in NBA history and a lousy start to this one....a 2d rd out does not sound so bad! Its a great deal for Denver considering what the going rate has been for disgruntled stars.

Looking closer from a Nets perspective on what they are giving up

D Harris Harris is younger and more upside but he is made of glass. Ive seen enough to move on without looking back

Murphy - expiring body - Avery never even gave him a chance

Morrow - like his game and his contract but he is a role/bench guy - not a big loss

Favors - hate losing him - big time potential - will take time but I think he becomes a big time PF - best piece in the deal IMO for Denver

Nets 2011 pick - If deal goes down I expect Nets to finish strong and maybe compete for an 8 seed - so likely a late lotto selection - #10 - good pick but not premium

I believe the GS/Hou picks are protected early so I think at best they will be mid teens - again decent picks but not slam dunks.

Giving up Favors is the big hit for the Nets...rest are all upgrades IMO - I personally would lowball and see what happens but Proky wants his star so gotta go with the flow....just end it already because it is painful to watch the product on the court right now!

 

[Kiddnets]

Good ol Denver greed - please save us from Proky - word is Denver at the last minute wants a 3rd 1st rder...amateur hour over there...sac up King its bad enough

According to a high level source with knowledge of the talks -- one who believes the trade will go through -- the Nuggets are dragging their feet at the last hour.

"We do not have a deal," the source said. "An hour ago, I thought it was done."

But that doesn't mean the deal still won't go through. Every other indication says yes.

 

[Britney Spears]

But has Billups agreed to play in New Jersey. Last I heard, he wanted a buyout.

PG: Billups

SG: Hamilton

SF: Melo

PF: Humphries

C: Lopez

The front court would have zero depth. Hamilton is a shell of his former self. I just don't like it.

The Nets would probably have some front court depth comin to them. The Nuggs would look to dump Harrington and a Vujacic for Harrington deal works as long as its a 1 for 1 trade separate from the main trade.

If Joe Dumars didn't think it would work with Rip/Billups in their prime and two big men who could actually defend, why does Russian Mark Cuban think it will now with an over the hill backcourt and Lopez/Humphries?Horrible trade for the Nets, IMO. They give away almost all of their assets to rebuild + get saddled with Melo AND Rip for the next 3 years for ~$100 million.

Saddled with Melo? Maybe not the best all around player but give me a break. His teams have been winning 50 games a year basically since he joined them.

That's great that Melo has been part of 50 win team (only after Billups came aboard), but why pay all the cash and give away all those assets for a possible 50 win team that has ZERO chance of winning an NBA title. It takes at least two studs to win an NBA title and after this deal I'm not sure how else the Nets can get that 2nd stud. Looks like they may have a chance of getting CP3 down the line, which is the only way to make all this trade worth it.

What you are saying has some merit. And I think if these rumors are true, the Nuggets are doing very well for themselves.But what are the Nets supposed to do? They are one of the worst teams in the league. They are coming off a historically bad run. They have no star. This is both a basketball upgrade (maybe not to contender, but it is) and a "franchise" upgrade as well by getting a legit draw into the arena each night with a superstar on the roster.

It's selling the farm. But it makes sense considering where they have been since Kidd left (on a steady decline).

 

[Premier]

Orlando is fun to watch. I don't know how they will get through the East but thus far I am completely on board with Otis Smith.Any chance they make another move? I know they need a backup C. But with Hedo playing so well, they have some pieces to work with

Otis was quoted in today's paper that he's done trading. I imagine they will add one 7-foot stiff. That trade looks like it was a master stroke.

Yes, they must add something big or else Boston will eat them alive. Of course ORL is going to live and die with Dwight regardless.Btw, I think their best lineup is:ReddickRichardsonHedoBassHowardOf course that will all change in a week.

Yea, I think their thinking is, if Dwight fouls out, they're ####ed anyways. I kind of agree with that thinking. Plus they really have no assets to give up. They're not going to trade Redick for a 10-12 minute guy. I agree with you on that lineup too, but Jameer is playing good ball since the trade. They've found a way to share the ball. Read something today that they've had something like 7 straight games with 7 guys in double figures...hasn't happened since 1985 or thereabouts. It's a good offense.

 

[Kiddnets]

That's great that Melo has been part of 50 win team (only after Billups came aboard), but why pay all the cash and give away all those assets for a possible 50 win team that has ZERO chance of winning an NBA title. It takes at least two studs to win an NBA title and after this deal I'm not sure how else the Nets can get that 2nd stud. Looks like they may have a chance of getting CP3 down the line, which is the only way to make all this trade worth it.

What you are saying has some merit. And I think if these rumors are true, the Nuggets are doing very well for themselves.

But what are the Nets supposed to do? They are one of the worst teams in the league. They are coming off a historically bad run. They have no star. This is both a basketball upgrade (maybe not to contender, but it is) and a "franchise" upgrade as well by getting a legit draw into the arena each night with a superstar on the roster.

It's selling the farm. But it makes sense considering where they have been since Kidd left (on a steady decline).

- right now there is complete apathy toward the Nets...this makes them relevant. I understand why they are doing it....you get a chance to grab arguably a top 10 player in the NBA you do it when you stink. I'd prefer the long term building approach but the billionaire wants his new toy so why not...cant get any worse!

 

[Premier]

There's no such thing as long-term building approach in the NBA. Either you have a top-10 player or you don't. And if you don't, you're 35-47 every year.

Nets are making the right move for the future. Get the stud player, and then eventually try to build around him.

 

[Kiddnets]

There's no such thing as long-term building approach in the NBA. Either you have a top-10 player or you don't. And if you don't, you're 35-47 every year.Nets are making the right move for the future. Get the stud player, and then eventually try to build around him.

You're probably right - I'm not so sure the Nets will be much better than a 35-40 win team with Melo as consituted but I'm willing to go with the flow....if the rumors are true and Melo's agent is pushing the deal now then Paul has to be on the radar as the 3rd piece. I just think the Nets are giving up a boatload based on the usual deals for disgruntled stars....but I guess each case is different and the Nets have to overpay cause they stink and have no chance to land him in FA like the Knicks

 

[Kiddnets]

wow - looks like Denver told NJ it had a deal on Sat night as long as Det was in...NJ gets Det to agree now Denver backing out and played Melo tonight when they werent supposed to if there was a deal....Melo agent is not happy and if this falls through its gonna get ugly.....King should stand pat. If it doesnt go through tomorrow it will be delayed a long time as Nets will only have 5 players on roster and this is only stretch for a while they have a few days off.

 

[SoBeDad]

Lebron had a tremendous game tonight, especially in overtime. He scored 44 on 17 of 26, including 3 of 5 from downtown. The big three scored all but 11 of Miami's points - that formula won't work against the Celtics. Kobe had a good game with 28 points, but he was 10 of 28 - that won't work either against the Celtics in 2011.

 

[saintfool]

Lebron had a tremendous game tonight, especially in overtime. He scored 44 on 17 of 26, including 3 of 5 from downtown. The big three scored all but 11 of Miami's points - that formula won't work against the Celtics. Kobe had a good game with 28 points, but he was 10 of 28 - that won't work either against the Celtics in 2011.

that's a lot praise for the C's...

 

[Gadfly]

Lebron had a tremendous game tonight, especially in overtime. He scored 44 on 17 of 26, including 3 of 5 from downtown. The big three scored all but 11 of Miami's points - that formula won't work against the Celtics. Kobe had a good game with 28 points, but he was 10 of 28 - that won't work either against the Celtics in 2011.

Oh really? 6 of 24 was good enough in 2010.

 

[Gadfly]

NBA refs already treating Amare like he is MVP. Amare was getting completely owned by Bynum when he was in the game. Amare slapped at Bynum's arm and no call, then he got both of Bynum's arms and none of the ball and there was no call, then he fouled Kobe and no call. Then Bynum blocks Amare all ball and is called for a foul. Bynum gets in the refs face and gets a fair technical, then Bynum simply says "Are you serious?" and the ref gives him a quick second T to kick him out of the game. The way Amare was getting owned, I guess he needed that charity.

 

[Steelfan7]

NBA refs already treating Amare like he is MVP. Amare was getting completely owned by Bynum when he was in the game. Amare slapped at Bynum's arm and no call, then he got both of Bynum's arms and none of the ball and there was no call, then he fouled Kobe and no call. Then Bynum blocks Amare all ball and is called for a foul. Bynum gets in the refs face and gets a fair technical, then Bynum simply says "Are you serious?" and the ref gives him a quick second T to kick him out of the game. The way Amare was getting owned, I guess he needed that charity.

FYI Bynum is a 7' Center. Amar'e is a PF playinc C who uses his quickness. The Lakers should be used to playing with Bynum on the bench anyways.

 

[Kev4029]

NBA refs already treating Amare like he is MVP. Amare was getting completely owned by Bynum when he was in the game. Amare slapped at Bynum's arm and no call, then he got both of Bynum's arms and none of the ball and there was no call, then he fouled Kobe and no call. Then Bynum blocks Amare all ball and is called for a foul. Bynum gets in the refs face and gets a fair technical, then Bynum simply says "Are you serious?" and the ref gives him a quick second T to kick him out of the game. The way Amare was getting owned, I guess he needed that charity.

FYI Bynum is a 7' Center. Amar'e is a PF playinc C who uses his quickness. The Lakers should be used to playing with Bynum on the bench anyways.

Amare (6'10" 245 lbs) is only a PF because hes a terrible defender and rebounder, not because his size limits him. Centers nearly the same size as Amare:Horford 6'10" 245Nene 6'11" 250Jefferson 6'10" 280Duncan 6'11" 255Okafor 6'10" 255Noah 6'11" 235Even Dwight Howard is only 6'11" 265, its not like that is a huge difference and I would say that Howard is far and away the best center in the league.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

NBA refs already treating Amare like he is MVP. Amare was getting completely owned by Bynum when he was in the game. Amare slapped at Bynum's arm and no call, then he got both of Bynum's arms and none of the ball and there was no call, then he fouled Kobe and no call. Then Bynum blocks Amare all ball and is called for a foul. Bynum gets in the refs face and gets a fair technical, then Bynum simply says "Are you serious?" and the ref gives him a quick second T to kick him out of the game. The way Amare was getting owned, I guess he needed that charity.

 

[Kiddnets]

Today is the day or its gonna fold...if it does I have to think Denver is crazy and will get less....I believe King has called thier bluff and its in Denvers hands.

Chris Broussard reports that the hold-up in the three-team Carmelo Anthony trade is mostly about the Nuggets desire to reconfigure the trade and have the Nets take on the remainder of Al Harrington 's four-year, $33 million contract, most of which is guaranteed. Denver would like the Nets to engage a fourth team in the deal, already the biggest in NBA history.

The Nets are resisting the request, made Sunday night and hope that they drop the idea and complete the trade later Monday. The request, Broussard adds, has little to do with Chauncey Billups' reluctance to join the Nets. New Jersey has solved that issue by promising not to exercise a team option on Billups' last season, which would guarantee him $10 million, the difference between a buyout and his salary.

 

[biggamer3]

Today is the day or its gonna fold...if it does I have to think Denver is crazy and will get less....I believe King has called thier bluff and its in Denvers hands. Chris Broussard reports that the hold-up in the three-team Carmelo Anthony trade is mostly about the Nuggets desire to reconfigure the trade and have the Nets take on the remainder of Al Harrington 's four-year, $33 million contract, most of which is guaranteed. Denver would like the Nets to engage a fourth team in the deal, already the biggest in NBA history.The Nets are resisting the request, made Sunday night and hope that they drop the idea and complete the trade later Monday. The request, Broussard adds, has little to do with Chauncey Billups' reluctance to join the Nets. New Jersey has solved that issue by promising not to exercise a team option on Billups' last season, which would guarantee him $10 million, the difference between a buyout and his salary.

the funny thing is how the Nugs wont even deal with the Knicks at all. Their guys running this have no idea what their doing. Even if they will never deal with Knicks, let Nets think they will so you get even better offer, sounds pretty simple strategy to me.I love Wilson Chandlers line to a reporter who asked him if he was offended that Denver said Knicks dont have any pieces they want, he said "No, i prefer it that way ,i dont want to go to Denver"

 

[Juxtatarot]

Today is the day or its gonna fold...

I don't think it's going through. Usually deals fall apart when they are draaaaaagged out like this. Neither Melo nor Billups are too keen on Jersey.

 

[Kiddnets]

Today is the day or its gonna fold...

I don't think it's going through. Usually deals fall apart when they are draaaaaagged out like this. Neither Melo nor Billups are too keen on Jersey.

From what is out there thats not the problem at all - Melo's agent is driving the deal and Billups is happy now that hes getting his money....its Denver...they cant sh$%#@ or get off the pot and almost seem to scared to pull the trigger.I agree with you though that I have a feeling its gonna fall through....it will be interesting to see what they end up with and if its a lot less the fans there should be furious with the GM and owners - soemtimes you gotta pull the trigger on a deal.

 

[Juxtatarot]

the funny thing is how the Nugs wont even deal with the Knicks at all. Their guys running this have no idea what their doing. Even if they will never deal with Knicks, let Nets think they will so you get even better offer, sounds pretty simple strategy to me.

This doesn't make any sense. Everyone knows what the Knicks can offer. It's not like the Nuggets could fool the Nets.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Today is the day or its gonna fold...if it does I have to think Denver is crazy and will get less....I believe King has called thier bluff and its in Denvers hands.

Chris Broussard reports that the hold-up in the three-team Carmelo Anthony trade is mostly about the Nuggets desire to reconfigure the trade and have the Nets take on the remainder of Al Harrington 's four-year, $33 million contract, most of which is guaranteed. Denver would like the Nets to engage a fourth team in the deal, already the biggest in NBA history.

The Nets are resisting the request, made Sunday night and hope that they drop the idea and complete the trade later Monday. The request, Broussard adds, has little to do with Chauncey Billups' reluctance to join the Nets. New Jersey has solved that issue by promising not to exercise a team option on Billups' last season, which would guarantee him $10 million, the difference between a buyout and his salary.

the funny thing is how the Nugs wont even deal with the Knicks at all. Their guys running this have no idea what their doing. Even if they will never deal with Knicks, let Nets think they will so you get even better offer, sounds pretty simple strategy to me.I love Wilson Chandlers line to a reporter who asked him if he was offended that Denver said Knicks dont have any pieces they want, he said "No, i prefer it that way ,i dont want to go to Denver"

You sound like a scorned ex-wife.

 

[Kev4029]

Today is the day or its gonna fold...if it does I have to think Denver is crazy and will get less....I believe King has called thier bluff and its in Denvers hands. Chris Broussard reports that the hold-up in the three-team Carmelo Anthony trade is mostly about the Nuggets desire to reconfigure the trade and have the Nets take on the remainder of Al Harrington 's four-year, $33 million contract, most of which is guaranteed. Denver would like the Nets to engage a fourth team in the deal, already the biggest in NBA history.The Nets are resisting the request, made Sunday night and hope that they drop the idea and complete the trade later Monday. The request, Broussard adds, has little to do with Chauncey Billups' reluctance to join the Nets. New Jersey has solved that issue by promising not to exercise a team option on Billups' last season, which would guarantee him $10 million, the difference between a buyout and his salary.

the funny thing is how the Nugs wont even deal with the Knicks at all. Their guys running this have no idea what their doing. Even if they will never deal with Knicks, let Nets think they will so you get even better offer, sounds pretty simple strategy to me.I love Wilson Chandlers line to a reporter who asked him if he was offended that Denver said Knicks dont have any pieces they want, he said "No, i prefer it that way ,i dont want to go to Denver"

I don't think there is much more to get out of NJ, and telling the Nets that they better give up an extra pick or the Nuggets are going to take the Knicks deal of Chandler or Gallo and Curry probably won't fool anyone. Don't be bitter because the egotistical NY media lied to you again, you'll be able to get excited again soon when the guarantees of Chris Paul start in June.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Today is the day or its gonna fold...

I don't think it's going through. Usually deals fall apart when they are draaaaaagged out like this. Neither Melo nor Billups are too keen on Jersey.

From what is out there thats not the problem at all - Melo's agent is driving the deal and Billups is happy now that hes getting his money....its Denver...they cant sh$%#@ or get off the pot and almost seem to scared to pull the trigger.I agree with you though that I have a feeling its gonna fall through....it will be interesting to see what they end up with and if its a lot less the fans there should be furious with the GM and owners - soemtimes you gotta pull the trigger on a deal.

There was some speculation that Rose and WWW are pushing the trade without Melo's 100% buy-in.

 

[biggamer3]

the funny thing is how the Nugs wont even deal with the Knicks at all. Their guys running this have no idea what their doing. Even if they will never deal with Knicks, let Nets think they will so you get even better offer, sounds pretty simple strategy to me.

This doesn't make any sense. Everyone knows what the Knicks can offer. It's not like the Nuggets could fool the Nets.

Yeah but Back in October, Chandler and Fields value were much lower then what they are now.If say the Knicks offered Chandler, Fields, Gallo and a first rounder, you telling me that's not a legit offer?I am not saying Donnie would offer that but it is a a solid package

 

[Kev4029]

the funny thing is how the Nugs wont even deal with the Knicks at all. Their guys running this have no idea what their doing. Even if they will never deal with Knicks, let Nets think they will so you get even better offer, sounds pretty simple strategy to me.

This doesn't make any sense. Everyone knows what the Knicks can offer. It's not like the Nuggets could fool the Nets.

Yeah but Back in October, Chandler and Fields value were much lower then what they are now.If say the Knicks offered Chandler, Fields, Gallo and a first rounder, you telling me that's not a legit offer?I am not saying Donnie would offer that but it is a a solid package

Not even close to Favors, Morrow, Harris and two good draft picks. And if the Knicks could get a first rounder for Randolph they would have already, he's sitting on the bench doing nothing.

 

[Kiddnets]

We'll find out if King has any guts or not....as is or walk at 5pm!

Chris_Broussard Den swinging for fences: sources say in addition to Harrington, they're pushing NJ to take Renaldo Balkman & maybe give up 1st rounder too

 

[biggamer3]

the funny thing is how the Nugs wont even deal with the Knicks at all. Their guys running this have no idea what their doing. Even if they will never deal with Knicks, let Nets think they will so you get even better offer, sounds pretty simple strategy to me.

This doesn't make any sense. Everyone knows what the Knicks can offer. It's not like the Nuggets could fool the Nets.

Yeah but Back in October, Chandler and Fields value were much lower then what they are now.If say the Knicks offered Chandler, Fields, Gallo and a first rounder, you telling me that's not a legit offer?I am not saying Donnie would offer that but it is a a solid package

Not even close to Favors, Morrow, Harris and two good draft picks. And if the Knicks could get a first rounder for Randolph they would have already, he's sitting on the bench doing nothing.

Favors is a great asset, but Harris is not wanted in Denver dont think he is an asset for them. They have Lawson and Harris is just an overpaid backup for them IMO who gets hurt a lot.This Nets thing has to go through since Melo's agent wouldnt be doing this without Melo's consent

 

[Juxtatarot]

the funny thing is how the Nugs wont even deal with the Knicks at all. Their guys running this have no idea what their doing. Even if they will never deal with Knicks, let Nets think they will so you get even better offer, sounds pretty simple strategy to me.

This doesn't make any sense. Everyone knows what the Knicks can offer. It's not like the Nuggets could fool the Nets.

Yeah but Back in October, Chandler and Fields value were much lower then what they are now.If say the Knicks offered Chandler, Fields, Gallo and a first rounder, you telling me that's not a legit offer?I am not saying Donnie would offer that but it is a a solid package

For me it would be but I'm not sold on Favors. Obviously the Nuggets brass views the talent differently.

 

[biggamer3]

We'll find out if King has any guts or not....as is or walk at 5pm! Chris_Broussard Den swinging for fences: sources say in addition to Harrington, they're pushing NJ to take Renaldo Balkman & maybe give up 1st rounder too

why not ask for Marv Albert to announce games as well for Nugs, this is getting out of hand. Nets should back out now

 

[Sammy3469]

the funny thing is how the Nugs wont even deal with the Knicks at all. Their guys running this have no idea what their doing. Even if they will never deal with Knicks, let Nets think they will so you get even better offer, sounds pretty simple strategy to me.

This doesn't make any sense. Everyone knows what the Knicks can offer. It's not like the Nuggets could fool the Nets.

Yeah but Back in October, Chandler and Fields value were much lower then what they are now.If say the Knicks offered Chandler, Fields, Gallo and a first rounder, you telling me that's not a legit offer?I am not saying Donnie would offer that but it is a a solid package

Not even close to Favors, Morrow, Harris and two good draft picks. And if the Knicks could get a first rounder for Randolph they would have already, he's sitting on the bench doing nothing.

lol

 

[Kiddnets]

We'll find out if King has any guts or not....as is or walk at 5pm! Chris_Broussard Den swinging for fences: sources say in addition to Harrington, they're pushing NJ to take Renaldo Balkman & maybe give up 1st rounder too

why not ask for Marv Albert to announce games as well for Nugs, this is getting out of hand. Nets should back out now

Its unreal.....if King gives into this he has no credibility. Leave the original deal on the table until the 5pm deadline and tell them it wont be there after that.

 

[Kev4029]

the funny thing is how the Nugs wont even deal with the Knicks at all. Their guys running this have no idea what their doing. Even if they will never deal with Knicks, let Nets think they will so you get even better offer, sounds pretty simple strategy to me.

This doesn't make any sense. Everyone knows what the Knicks can offer. It's not like the Nuggets could fool the Nets.

Yeah but Back in October, Chandler and Fields value were much lower then what they are now.If say the Knicks offered Chandler, Fields, Gallo and a first rounder, you telling me that's not a legit offer?

I am not saying Donnie would offer that but it is a a solid package

Not even close to Favors, Morrow, Harris and two good draft picks. And if the Knicks could get a first rounder for Randolph they would have already, he's sitting on the bench doing nothing.

Favors is a great asset, but Harris is not wanted in Denver dont think he is an asset for them. They have Lawson and Harris is just an overpaid backup for them IMO who gets hurt a lot.This Nets thing has to go through since Melo's agent wouldnt be doing this without Melo's consent

Hes arguably a top 10 pg in the NBA and if hes not traded again (I find that unlikely) he would probably be the Nuggets best player (either him or Nene) and he is on a very reasonable contract. He is better player and asset than Chandler, Fields or Gallo.

 

[Kev4029]

We'll find out if King has any guts or not....as is or walk at 5pm! Chris_Broussard Den swinging for fences: sources say in addition to Harrington, they're pushing NJ to take Renaldo Balkman & maybe give up 1st rounder too

why not ask for Marv Albert to announce games as well for Nugs, this is getting out of hand. Nets should back out now

Its unreal.....if King gives into this he has no credibility. Leave the original deal on the table until the 5pm deadline and tell them it wont be there after that.

If I were the Nets I would be happy to take Balkman and his contract, he is an excellent end of the bench guy and it baffles me that he doesn't get 10 mpg in Denver. On the other hand, I don't think its even possible for the Nets to take him salary cap wise, they are giving up every contract they have outside of Lopez, Outlaw, Humpries, Farmar, Vujacic and Damion James.ETA: The Nets can take Balkman in a 1 for 1 trade for Damion James separate from the main trade.

 

[Kiddnets]

We'll find out if King has any guts or not....as is or walk at 5pm! Chris_Broussard Den swinging for fences: sources say in addition to Harrington, they're pushing NJ to take Renaldo Balkman & maybe give up 1st rounder too

why not ask for Marv Albert to announce games as well for Nugs, this is getting out of hand. Nets should back out now

Its unreal.....if King gives into this he has no credibility. Leave the original deal on the table until the 5pm deadline and tell them it wont be there after that.

If I were the Nets I would be happy to take Balkman and his contract, he is an excellent end of the bench guy and it baffles me that he doesn't get 10 mpg in Denver. On the other hand, I don't think its even possible for the Nets to take him salary cap wise, they are giving up every contract they have outside of Lopez, Outlaw, Humpries, Farmar, Vujacic and Damon James.

thats why they want NJ to find a 4th team to take on Harrington and Balkman...its just not possible which tells me Denver is either stupid or doesnt really want to deal now....they better get some haul at the deadline cause if Im King this deal at 5pm is DOA.

 

[Gadfly]

Bynum owning Amare:

For a long time, that's what I'm going to think of when I think of Amare.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Bynum owning Amare:

Looks like the best defense I've ever seen Amare play.

 

[the moops]

Hes arguably a top 10 pg in the NBA

He is an average PG, IMO. Somewhere in the 15 range. That is not much of an asset considering he is making 9 million a year, and there are so many young PGs in the league.

 

[Sammy3469]

Hes arguably a top 10 pg in the NBA and if hes not traded again (I find that unlikely) he would probably be the Nuggets best player (either him or Nene) and he is on a very reasonable contract. He is better player and asset than Chandler, Fields or Gallo.

LOL. Rose, Rondo, Felton, Paul, Williams, Westbrook, Curry/Ellis, Kidd, Nash, Parker and that's without even trying. There are a number of other guys (Nelson, Jennings, Billups, Conley, Augustin, Holliday, Miller) that I'd rather have over him too. Plus he's under contract for 2 more years at a price which will limit any teams FA activity. There is a reason his team is 10 and whatever and is more than willing to deal him and its not because he's a top 10 PG.

 

[tommyGunZ]

the funny thing is how the Nugs wont even deal with the Knicks at all. Their guys running this have no idea what their doing. Even if they will never deal with Knicks, let Nets think they will so you get even better offer, sounds pretty simple strategy to me.

This doesn't make any sense. Everyone knows what the Knicks can offer. It's not like the Nuggets could fool the Nets.

Yeah but Back in October, Chandler and Fields value were much lower then what they are now.If say the Knicks offered Chandler, Fields, Gallo and a first rounder, you telling me that's not a legit offer?I am not saying Donnie would offer that but it is a a solid package

Not even close to Favors, Morrow, Harris and two good draft picks. And if the Knicks could get a first rounder for Randolph they would have already, he's sitting on the bench doing nothing.

I'm a Favors fan as well, but I think you undervalue Gallo.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Hes arguably a top 10 pg in the NBA and if hes not traded again (I find that unlikely) he would probably be the Nuggets best player (either him or Nene) and he is on a very reasonable contract. He is better player and asset than Chandler, Fields or Gallo.

LOL. Rose, Rondo, Felton, Paul, Williams, Westbrook, Curry/Ellis, Kidd, Nash, Parker and that's without even trying. There are a number of other guys (Nelson, Jennings, Billups, Conley, Augustin, Holliday, Miller) that I'd rather have over him too. Plus he's under contract for 2 more years at a price which will limit any teams FA activity. There is a reason his team is 10 and whatever and is more than willing to deal him and its not because he's a top 10 PG.

Agreed. Harris is decent, but if I were Denver I'd move him immediately and hand the keys to Lawson.

 

[Premier]

the funny thing is how the Nugs wont even deal with the Knicks at all. Their guys running this have no idea what their doing. Even if they will never deal with Knicks, let Nets think they will so you get even better offer, sounds pretty simple strategy to me.

This doesn't make any sense. Everyone knows what the Knicks can offer. It's not like the Nuggets could fool the Nets.

Yeah but Back in October, Chandler and Fields value were much lower then what they are now.If say the Knicks offered Chandler, Fields, Gallo and a first rounder, you telling me that's not a legit offer?I am not saying Donnie would offer that but it is a a solid package

Not even close to Favors, Morrow, Harris and two good draft picks. And if the Knicks could get a first rounder for Randolph they would have already, he's sitting on the bench doing nothing.

lol

Seriously.

 

[Kiddnets]

Just as I thought....this is a Proky move and he is foaming at the mouth for a star...great for negotiating position!

With representatives of the Nets and Nuggets trying to work out their differences, Adrian Wojnarowski reports that Billy King is willing to walk about from the talks, but that his boss, Mikhail Prokhorov is unrelenting in his desire to land Carmelo Anthony.

"The thought of pulling out of the Anthony drama has crossed the minds of Nets GM Billy King and coach Avery Johnson, sources said. They aren’t adverse to staying the course with Derrick Favors, the multiple draft picks and building a franchise a sure, methodical way," writes Wojnarowski,

"Nevertheless, ownership is hellbent on acquiring Anthony. New owner Mikhail Prokhorov had talked a big game about making a splash over the summer and was shut out of the storied free-agent class. Prokhorov wants Anthony for the cachet he’ll bring in the New York area."