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[Kev4029]

Hes arguably a top 10 pg in the NBA and if hes not traded again (I find that unlikely) he would probably be the Nuggets best player (either him or Nene) and he is on a very reasonable contract. He is better player and asset than Chandler, Fields or Gallo.

LOL. Rose, Rondo, Felton, Paul, Williams, Westbrook, Curry/Ellis, Kidd, Nash, Parker and that's without even trying. There are a number of other guys (Nelson, Jennings, Billups, Conley, Augustin, Holliday, Miller) that I'd rather have over him too. Plus he's under contract for 2 more years at a price which will limit any teams FA activity. There is a reason his team is 10 and whatever and is more than willing to deal him and its not because he's a top 10 PG.

He is better than Felton and Kidd and Ellis is a SG... As for the other guys, Jennings would be great if he could make a shot, Billups is probably better, Hes better than Conley, way better than Augustin and Holliday and a little better than Miller.Here is the list of guys you listed that are better than him (and coincidentally you named all the PGs that are close to his level as well) .... Rose, Rondo, Paul, Williams, Westbrook, Parker, Curry, Nash, Billups... As luck would have it that is 10th.You adding in names like Augustin and Conley ruins you're credibility in this arguement, you Knick fans are just whiny because you lost out on the Melo sweepstakes.

 

[Kev4029]

Hes arguably a top 10 pg in the NBA and if hes not traded again (I find that unlikely) he would probably be the Nuggets best player (either him or Nene) and he is on a very reasonable contract. He is better player and asset than Chandler, Fields or Gallo.

LOL. Rose, Rondo, Felton, Paul, Williams, Westbrook, Curry/Ellis, Kidd, Nash, Parker and that's without even trying. There are a number of other guys (Nelson, Jennings, Billups, Conley, Augustin, Holliday, Miller) that I'd rather have over him too. Plus he's under contract for 2 more years at a price which will limit any teams FA activity. There is a reason his team is 10 and whatever and is more than willing to deal him and its not because he's a top 10 PG.

Agreed. Harris is decent, but if I were Denver I'd move him immediately and hand the keys to Lawson.

I agree with that, and I think they will move him. A 28 year old PG on a $9 million contract isn't helping the team win, I expect him to be dealt to a team like the Blazers, Rockets or Bobcats that are in need of a PG upgrade for the playoff push.

 

[Kiddnets]

Hes arguably a top 10 pg in the NBA and if hes not traded again (I find that unlikely) he would probably be the Nuggets best player (either him or Nene) and he is on a very reasonable contract. He is better player and asset than Chandler, Fields or Gallo.

LOL. Rose, Rondo, Felton, Paul, Williams, Westbrook, Curry/Ellis, Kidd, Nash, Parker and that's without even trying. There are a number of other guys (Nelson, Jennings, Billups, Conley, Augustin, Holliday, Miller) that I'd rather have over him too. Plus he's under contract for 2 more years at a price which will limit any teams FA activity. There is a reason his team is 10 and whatever and is more than willing to deal him and its not because he's a top 10 PG.

He is better than Felton and Kidd and Ellis is a SG... As for the other guys, Jennings would be great if he could make a shot, Billups is probably better, Hes better than Conley, way better than Augustin and Holliday and a little better than Miller.Here is the list of guys you listed that are better than him (and coincidentally you named all the PGs that are close to his level as well) .... Rose, Rondo, Paul, Williams, Westbrook, Parker, Curry, Nash, Billups... As luck would have it that is 10th.You adding in names like Augustin and Conley ruins you're credibility in this arguement, you Knick fans are just whiny because you lost out on the Melo sweepstakes.

when Devin is healthy he is a great PG - probably top 10-12....problem is he is made of glass and gets hurt all the time...I dont think his contract is that bad...if he goes to Denver I think they will be able to send him out in a deal.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Hes arguably a top 10 pg in the NBA and if hes not traded again (I find that unlikely) he would probably be the Nuggets best player (either him or Nene) and he is on a very reasonable contract. He is better player and asset than Chandler, Fields or Gallo.

LOL. Rose, Rondo, Felton, Paul, Williams, Westbrook, Curry/Ellis, Kidd, Nash, Parker and that's without even trying. There are a number of other guys (Nelson, Jennings, Billups, Conley, Augustin, Holliday, Miller) that I'd rather have over him too. Plus he's under contract for 2 more years at a price which will limit any teams FA activity. There is a reason his team is 10 and whatever and is more than willing to deal him and its not because he's a top 10 PG.

He is better than Felton and Kidd and Ellis is a SG... As for the other guys, Jennings would be great if he could make a shot, Billups is probably better, Hes better than Conley, way better than Augustin and Holliday and a little better than Miller.Here is the list of guys you listed that are better than him (and coincidentally you named all the PGs that are close to his level as well) .... Rose, Rondo, Paul, Williams, Westbrook, Parker, Curry, Nash, Billups... As luck would have it that is 10th.You adding in names like Augustin and Conley ruins you're credibility in this arguement, you Knick fans are just whiny because you lost out on the Melo sweepstakes.

Calderon > Harris.

 

[Kev4029]

I'm a Favors fan as well, but I think you undervalue Gallo.

I don't think so, I think people are over valuing him. He does one thing better than average and thats shoot, hes an average ball handler, below average defensively, not a particularly good passer, terrible rebounder. Whats the difference between him and Morrow?

 

[Kev4029]

Calderon > Harris.

Offensively I would agree with you, but he is a pretty terrible defender, just about the worst in the league at the PG position.

 

[biggamer3]

I'm a Favors fan as well, but I think you undervalue Gallo.

I don't think so, I think people are over valuing him. He does one thing better than average and thats shoot, hes an average ball handler, below average defensively, not a particularly good passer, terrible rebounder. Whats the difference between him and Morrow?

 

[Kev4029]

I'm a Favors fan as well, but I think you undervalue Gallo.

I don't think so, I think people are over valuing him. He does one thing better than average and thats shoot, hes an average ball handler, below average defensively, not a particularly good passer, terrible rebounder. Whats the difference between him and Morrow?

I'm really curious, I take if from the laughing you think he is a good defender, rebounder, passer and ball handler?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I'm a Favors fan as well, but I think you undervalue Gallo.

I don't think so, I think people are over valuing him. He does one thing better than average and thats shoot, hes an average ball handler, below average defensively, not a particularly good passer, terrible rebounder. Whats the difference between him and Morrow?

I'm really curious, I take if from the laughing you think he is a good defender, rebounder, passer and ball handler?

At SF:3rd last in rebr26 in assist ratioOnly shooting 41% on 2's and 37% on 3's.Ast/TO ratio is pretty much even.

Subpar defender who is a tweener between 3 and 4. Horrid rebounder.

I can't find the funny part either.

 

[biggamer3]

I'm a Favors fan as well, but I think you undervalue Gallo.

I don't think so, I think people are over valuing him. He does one thing better than average and thats shoot, hes an average ball handler, below average defensively, not a particularly good passer, terrible rebounder. Whats the difference between him and Morrow?

I'm really curious, I take if from the laughing you think he is a good defender, rebounder, passer and ball handler?

Gallo is 22 only. Basically the age of most rookies right now. Dude has shown a great amount of talent on the offensive end and he is the team's number 4 scorer. He has above average passing ability but he really doesnt get to touch ball much since he is #4 option on team. He can get to the hoop as well as shoot the lights out. His defense has improved greatly and I don't recall watching a game where he looked bad defensively this yearHe is young and still learning the game, in time he will be a 20 point a game guy no doubt. Comparing him to a player who can only shoot 3's is laughable.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I'm a Favors fan as well, but I think you undervalue Gallo.

I don't think so, I think people are over valuing him. He does one thing better than average and thats shoot, hes an average ball handler, below average defensively, not a particularly good passer, terrible rebounder. Whats the difference between him and Morrow?

I'm really curious, I take if from the laughing you think he is a good defender, rebounder, passer and ball handler?

Gallo is 22 only. Basically the age of most rookies right now. Dude has shown a great amount of talent on the offensive end and he is the team's number 4 scorer. He has above average passing ability but he really doesnt get to touch ball much since he is #4 option on team.

He can get to the hoop as well as shoot the lights out. His defense has improved greatly and I don't recall watching a game where he looked bad defensively this year

He is young and still learning the game, in time he will be a 20 point a game guy no doubt. Comparing him to a player who can only shoot 3's is laughable.

71st in the NBA in 3pt% and 103rd in 2's. Lights out

 

[biggamer3]

71st in the NBA in 3pt% and 103rd in 2's. Lights out

whats great about stats is you can twist them any way you want to.Gallo was 3rd in the NBA last year in 3's per game.

I much rather a guy shoot 38% from 3 and hit 2.3 per game then a guy shoot 44% and hit 1.3

He is a bulk 3 point shooter and isnt close to what he could be at his peak when he has a few years experience.

Dirk is a 38% 3 point shooter for his career and is also known to be lights out as a shooter, you going to laugh at Dirk's numbers too?

 

[saintfool]

Gallo is 22 only. Basically the age of most rookies right now.

Dude has shown a great amount of talent on the offensive end and he is the team's number 4 scorer. He has above average passing ability but he really doesnt get to touch ball much since he is #4 option on team.

He can get to the hoop as well as shoot the lights out. His defense has improved greatly and I don't recall watching a game where he looked bad defensively this year

He is young and still learning the game, in time he will be a 20 point a game guy no doubt. Comparing him to a player who can only shoot 3's is laughable.

i have no dog in this fight but morrow and gallinari are VERY similar. arguing to the contrary is simply padding your post count.

 

[Juxtatarot]

I think Gallo > Morrow is a pretty standard assessment. I'm not always a big fan of PER, but Gallo's 15.5 vs. Morrow's 11.5 seems to tell most of the story here.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

71st in the NBA in 3pt% and 103rd in 2's. Lights out

whats great about stats is you can twist them any way you want to.Gallo was 3rd in the NBA last year in 3's per game.

I much rather a guy shoot 38% from 3 and hit 2.3 per game then a guy shoot 44% and hit 1.3

He is a bulk 3 point shooter and isnt close to what he could be at his peak when he has a few years experience.

Dirk is a 38% 3 point shooter for his career and is also known to be lights out as a shooter, you going to laugh at Dirk's numbers too?

I want a guy who is 71st in the league jacking as many as he can.

 

[saintfool]

I think Gallo > Morrow is a pretty standard assessment. I'm not always a big fan of PER, but Gallo's 15.5 vs. Morrow's 11.5 seems to tell most of the story here.

i would agree that gallo is better player right now and certainly enjoying a better season. that said, they're not *that* different.

 

[Kev4029]

I'm a Favors fan as well, but I think you undervalue Gallo.

I don't think so, I think people are over valuing him. He does one thing better than average and thats shoot, hes an average ball handler, below average defensively, not a particularly good passer, terrible rebounder. Whats the difference between him and Morrow?

I'm really curious, I take if from the laughing you think he is a good defender, rebounder, passer and ball handler?

Gallo is 22 only. Basically the age of most rookies right now. Dude has shown a great amount of talent on the offensive end and he is the team's number 4 scorer. He has above average passing ability but he really doesnt get to touch ball much since he is #4 option on team. He can get to the hoop as well as shoot the lights out. His defense has improved greatly and I don't recall watching a game where he looked bad defensively this yearHe is young and still learning the game, in time he will be a 20 point a game guy no doubt. Comparing him to a player who can only shoot 3's is laughable.

He shoots the ball 10.3 times a game and gets to the hoop 1.9 times per game. Of guys that shoot more often (more than 10.3 times per game) only Rashard Lewis gets to the hoop less often. His assist ratio is 11.7, that number is the percent of his possessions he uses ending in an assist, thats good for 22nd as a PF and 26th as a SF.He shoots very well from outside and thats all he does, and nearly all of those (93.4% of them) are assisted. He is very good player for what he does, but I highly doubt you'll ever see much more what what his is giving right now because his only NBA skill is shooting 3s. This makes him an ideal 6th man that can play a little 3 and 4 for 25 minutes a game.

 

[Kev4029]

I think Gallo > Morrow is a pretty standard assessment. I'm not always a big fan of PER, but Gallo's 15.5 vs. Morrow's 11.5 seems to tell most of the story here.

So you aren't a big fan unless it suits your argument?ETA: And for the record, I think Gallo is the better player and asset, but Morrow and Gallinari are very similar and the difference between the two is pretty small and mostly attributed to the fact that he is 5 inches taller.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I think Gallo > Morrow is a pretty standard assessment. I'm not always a big fan of PER, but Gallo's 15.5 vs. Morrow's 11.5 seems to tell most of the story here.

i would agree that gallo is better player right now and certainly enjoying a better season. that said, they're not *that* different.

Barely. Per 36 minutes for their careers (both in their 3rd season)

.#	  Name	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS1	Danilo 	4305	4.9	11.6	.424	2.3	6.1	.385	3.7	4.3	.847	0.9	4.1	5.0	1.8	0.9	0.6	1.3	2.6	15.92	Anthony	4386	5.8	12.3	.470	2.2	4.9	.451	1.8	2.1	.880	1.3	3.1	4.4	1.8	0.9	0.3	1.3	2.9	15.6.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

biggamer3> Who are the other two people that are extremely similar to Gallinari ?

TS% eFG%ORB%DRB% RB% AST%STL% BLK% TOV% USG%ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾

.585 .524 2.8 13.1 7.9 7.5 1.3 1.3 8.9 18.5 116 112 7.9 2.2 10.1 0.112

.572 .538 1.7 12.2 7.0 10.1 1.5 1.0 11.3 17.5 110 108 16.7 12.5 29.2 0.102

.538 .519 2.2 8.8 5.5 7.5 1.1 0.2 9.4 18.0 105 111 5.8 4.4 10.2 0.056

I can't edit this crap properly...

 

[No. 16]

Gotta love Knicks fans. Getting close to Laker fan level delusions.

 

[Juxtatarot]

I think Gallo > Morrow is a pretty standard assessment. I'm not always a big fan of PER, but Gallo's 15.5 vs. Morrow's 11.5 seems to tell most of the story here.

So you aren't a big fan unless it suits your argument?ETA: And for the record, I think Gallo is the better player and asset, but Morrow and Gallinari are very similar and the difference between the two is pretty small and mostly attributed to the fact that he is 5 inches taller.

There certainly can be flaws in PER. It doesn't always tell the whole story. That said, I tend to believe in it unless oddities can be explained.ETA: What's your point about the height difference? We're not handicapping short players.

 

[No. 16]

Also, watching Blake Griffin yesterday against the Warriors made me realize how ridiculous he is. Yesterday he had a ridiculous rebound over Radmonovic where Griffin's waist was at Vald's head! I'm going to make the trip to Oracle this Friday just to see him in person. It's rare that you see a big guy with that much athleticism, strength, and tenacity combined with great body control and touch around the rim.

Crazy rebound @ 1:50 mark

 

[thecatch]

Today is the day or its gonna fold...if it does I have to think Denver is crazy and will get less....I believe King has called thier bluff and its in Denvers hands. Chris Broussard reports that the hold-up in the three-team Carmelo Anthony trade is mostly about the Nuggets desire to reconfigure the trade and have the Nets take on the remainder of Al Harrington 's four-year, $33 million contract, most of which is guaranteed. Denver would like the Nets to engage a fourth team in the deal, already the biggest in NBA history.The Nets are resisting the request, made Sunday night and hope that they drop the idea and complete the trade later Monday. The request, Broussard adds, has little to do with Chauncey Billups' reluctance to join the Nets. New Jersey has solved that issue by promising not to exercise a team option on Billups' last season, which would guarantee him $10 million, the difference between a buyout and his salary.

I'm absolutely stunned the Nuggets are already trying to get out from under the Harrington deal. Who could have seen that coming, I wonder.

 

[Orange&Blue]

What's the current Melo deal?

 

[Kev4029]

I think Gallo > Morrow is a pretty standard assessment. I'm not always a big fan of PER, but Gallo's 15.5 vs. Morrow's 11.5 seems to tell most of the story here.

So you aren't a big fan unless it suits your argument?ETA: And for the record, I think Gallo is the better player and asset, but Morrow and Gallinari are very similar and the difference between the two is pretty small and mostly attributed to the fact that he is 5 inches taller.

There certainly can be flaws in PER. It doesn't always tell the whole story. That said, I tend to believe in it unless oddities can be explained.ETA: What's your point about the height difference? We're not handicapping short players.

A 6'10" sharpshooter is more valuable than a 6'5" sharpshooter and the fact that he plays PF much of the time allows him to exploit his matchup offensively. There are tons of shooting guards that can hit 3s, there are only a handful of bigmen that can hit 3s and are athletic enough to no be embarrassed on defense.

 

[Steelfan7]

[He's arguably a top 10 pg in the NBA and if hes not traded again (I find that unlikely) he would probably be the Nuggets best player (either him or Nene) and he is on a very reasonable contract. He is better player and asset than Chandler, Fields or Gallo.

 

[Steelfan7]

At SF:3rd last in rebr26 in assist ratioOnly shooting 41% on 2's and 37% on 3's.Ast/TO ratio is pretty much even.

Subpar defender who is a tweener between 3 and 4. Horrid rebounder.

I can't find the funny part either.

It all makes sense now, Uncle Cliff gets his scouting reports from Hollinger.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Gallinari's DRating is 3rd worst on the Knicks and only ahead of Rautins and Walker. 7th on the team in defensive win shares. So basically he is the worst defensive player (that gets consistent minutes) on a team that is 24th in the league in defense. Interesting when a Knick fan says

I don't recall watching a game where he looked bad defensively this year

 

[Cliff Clavin]

At SF:3rd last in rebr26 in assist ratioOnly shooting 41% on 2's and 37% on 3's.Ast/TO ratio is pretty much even.

Subpar defender who is a tweener between 3 and 4. Horrid rebounder.

I can't find the funny part either.

It all makes sense now, Uncle Cliff gets his scouting reports from Hollinger.

Because I used a single quote from him? Please, prove it wrong.

 

[Zigg]

Wow, basketball stats have really gotten out of hand.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Are people serious about the Morrow comparisons? LOFL. Morrow is 3 years older, and 5 inches shorter. They're not even close to the same player or commodity.

 

[Gr00vus]

Also, watching Blake Griffin yesterday against the Warriors made me realize how ridiculous he is. Yesterday he had a ridiculous rebound over Radmonovic where Griffin's waist was at Vald's head! I'm going to make the trip to Oracle this Friday just to see him in person. It's rare that you see a big guy with that much athleticism, strength, and tenacity combined with great body control and touch around the rim.

Crazy rebound @ 1:50 mark

I've been trying to get people on here on the bandwagon, but the Clips are so putrid it's tough sledding. He's worth the price of admission all by himself, even taking into account you have to watch Baron Davis as part of the deal.

 

[simmonjm]

I am a bit lost guys perhaps you can help me out. Throughout this thread it has been repeated that Amare is a poor defender, poor rebounder, bulk scorer and was not worth the extra money when compared to David Lee. When looking at Amare's supporting cast (Gallo, Fields, Chandler) they are nowhere near the level of a Favors, Harris, and a couple of mid 1st round picks which can usually be bought come draft time. Then I look to the coach perhaps he is the reason they are winning but I am reminded that he sucks and his system will never win in a playoff environment. And yet nearly halfway through the season the Knicks are locked into the 6th seed 6 games ahead of Pacers and only 2.5 games behind Atlanta. So my question how in the world did the Knicks accomplish this?

 

[the moops]

I am a bit lost guys perhaps you can help me out. Throughout this thread it has been repeated that Amare is a poor defender, poor rebounder, bulk scorer and was not worth the extra money when compared to David Lee. When looking at Amare's supporting cast (Gallo, Fields, Chandler) they are nowhere near the level of a Favors, Harris, and a couple of mid 1st round picks which can usually be bought come draft time. Then I look to the coach perhaps he is the reason they are winning but I am reminded that he sucks and his system will never win in a playoff environment. And yet nearly halfway through the season the Knicks are locked into the 6th seed 6 games ahead of Pacers and only 2.5 games behind Atlanta. So my question how in the world did the Knicks accomplish this?

Raymond Felton is averaging 18 pts and 9 asst, far above his career averages.Wilson Chandler is shooting the three at 37%, far above what he has shown in the past, and he has become a very good all around player.And Amare is an offensive beast.They are first in scoring and 28th in points allowed. They score more points than their opponent.

 

[No. 16]

I am a bit lost guys perhaps you can help me out. Throughout this thread it has been repeated that Amare is a poor defender, poor rebounder, bulk scorer and was not worth the extra money when compared to David Lee. When looking at Amare's supporting cast (Gallo, Fields, Chandler) they are nowhere near the level of a Favors, Harris, and a couple of mid 1st round picks which can usually be bought come draft time. Then I look to the coach perhaps he is the reason they are winning but I am reminded that he sucks and his system will never win in a playoff environment. And yet nearly halfway through the season the Knicks are locked into the 6th seed 6 games ahead of Pacers and only 2.5 games behind Atlanta. So my question how in the world did the Knicks accomplish this?

Raymond Felton is averaging 18 pts and 9 asst, far above his career averages.Wilson Chandler is shooting the three at 37%, far above what he has shown in the past, and he has become a very good all around player.And Amare is an offensive beast.They are first in scoring and 28th in points allowed. They score more points than their opponent.

Plus they have played the 7th easiest schedule so far with opponents win % = 48.6%FWIW the Lakers have played the easiest schedule with a combined 44.8% and the Bucks have played the toughest @ 55.9%The Knicks are certainly better than they have been in the past and a lock for playoffs and to me the most important thing is the Knicks is that they built an actual team instead of collecting contracts to clear cap space.Also, don't overlook Landry Fields who has been a solid all around player.

 

[Zigg]

I remember being laughed at for saying LeBron had no help in Cleveland. Good times.

Everyone on a team has a role. Ferry and company did a good job of filling in a team with role players to surround a superstar. Absent that superstar, they aren't much. You deserved to be laughed at if you said LeBron had no help. Nothing about the 2010-2011 Cavs suggests otherwise.

It's a week later, and I'm curious if you and others actually believe this. It was/is obvious that the Cavs less LeBron were a bunch of 4th/5th options whose roles were to enjoy the ride on LBJs shoulders. Mo is ok, and Varejao is a nice defense/energy guy, but the rest is an abomination.

 

[biggamer3]

This thread is becoming like 3 vs 3 with no one going to budge off their agendas.

To suggest Morrow=Gallo is absurd. Gallo is 22, when he is 25 he will dwarf what Marrow at 25 is doing.

Anyone foolish to think Harris is an asset is also crazy, Denver in deal one before season wanted Charlotte to take Harris contract. He is so good they didnt want him for nothing, they just had to pay his contract and they didnt want him. He has no real trade value unless he is swapped for another bad contract.

Harris top 10, lol. Why would Harris be above Felton may i add? Felton was misused under Larry Brown and is finally emerging in the right offense for him, just as Augestine is doing well post Brown

 

[biggamer3]

I remember being laughed at for saying LeBron had no help in Cleveland. Good times.

Everyone on a team has a role. Ferry and company did a good job of filling in a team with role players to surround a superstar. Absent that superstar, they aren't much. You deserved to be laughed at if you said LeBron had no help. Nothing about the 2010-2011 Cavs suggests otherwise.

It's a week later, and I'm curious if you and others actually believe this. It was/is obvious that the Cavs less LeBron were a bunch of 4th/5th options whose roles were to enjoy the ride on LBJs shoulders. Mo is ok, and Varejao is a nice defense/energy guy, but the rest is an abomination.

I still laugh at the Cavs last year not willing to deal JJ Hickson to rent Amare for the year!

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

I remember being laughed at for saying LeBron had no help in Cleveland. Good times.

Everyone on a team has a role. Ferry and company did a good job of filling in a team with role players to surround a superstar. Absent that superstar, they aren't much. You deserved to be laughed at if you said LeBron had no help. Nothing about the 2010-2011 Cavs suggests otherwise.

It's a week later, and I'm curious if you and others actually believe this. It was/is obvious that the Cavs less LeBron were a bunch of 4th/5th options whose roles were to enjoy the ride on LBJs shoulders. Mo is ok, and Varejao is a nice defense/energy guy, but the rest is an abomination.

Yes. The above remains true about the 2008-2010 supporting cast of the Cavs. The only thing that might change it is if the Heat give a 2001 Lakers type of playoff performance. Lebron leading a team to regular season dominance isn't new.

 

[Kiddnets]

Wojo reporting Denver angry with leaks by Nets... Threatening to send Melo to NYK unless leaks stop

take a lesser deal to punish a team... That'll make your fans happy!

 

[scoobus]

I am a bit lost guys perhaps you can help me out. Throughout this thread it has been repeated that Amare is a poor defender, poor rebounder, bulk scorer and was not worth the extra money when compared to David Lee. When looking at Amare's supporting cast (Gallo, Fields, Chandler) they are nowhere near the level of a Favors, Harris, and a couple of mid 1st round picks which can usually be bought come draft time. Then I look to the coach perhaps he is the reason they are winning but I am reminded that he sucks and his system will never win in a playoff environment. And yet nearly halfway through the season the Knicks are locked into the 6th seed 6 games ahead of Pacers and only 2.5 games behind Atlanta. So my question how in the world did the Knicks accomplish this?

Raymond Felton is averaging 18 pts and 9 asst, far above his career averages.Wilson Chandler is shooting the three at 37%, far above what he has shown in the past, and he has become a very good all around player.And Amare is an offensive beast.They are first in scoring and 28th in points allowed. They score more points than their opponent.

Plus they have played the 7th easiest schedule so far with opponents win % = 48.6%FWIW the Lakers have played the easiest schedule with a combined 44.8% and the Bucks have played the toughest @ 55.9%The Knicks are certainly better than they have been in the past and a lock for playoffs and to me the most important thing is the Knicks is that they built an actual team instead of collecting contracts to clear cap space.Also, don't overlook Landry Fields who has been a solid all around player.

Plus they're in ####### 6th in the ####### Eastern conference

 

[Daywalker]

I am a bit lost guys perhaps you can help me out. Throughout this thread it has been repeated that Amare is a poor defender, poor rebounder, bulk scorer and was not worth the extra money when compared to David Lee. When looking at Amare's supporting cast (Gallo, Fields, Chandler) they are nowhere near the level of a Favors, Harris, and a couple of mid 1st round picks which can usually be bought come draft time. Then I look to the coach perhaps he is the reason they are winning but I am reminded that he sucks and his system will never win in a playoff environment. And yet nearly halfway through the season the Knicks are locked into the 6th seed 6 games ahead of Pacers and only 2.5 games behind Atlanta. So my question how in the world did the Knicks accomplish this?

Raymond Felton is averaging 18 pts and 9 asst, far above his career averages.Wilson Chandler is shooting the three at 37%, far above what he has shown in the past, and he has become a very good all around player.And Amare is an offensive beast.They are first in scoring and 28th in points allowed. They score more points than their opponent.

No GM would go after Lee before Amare. As was evident by this past offseason and before Amare proved that GM right. Silly.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

I am a bit lost guys perhaps you can help me out. Throughout this thread it has been repeated that Amare is a poor defender, poor rebounder, bulk scorer and was not worth the extra money when compared to David Lee. When looking at Amare's supporting cast (Gallo, Fields, Chandler) they are nowhere near the level of a Favors, Harris, and a couple of mid 1st round picks which can usually be bought come draft time. Then I look to the coach perhaps he is the reason they are winning but I am reminded that he sucks and his system will never win in a playoff environment. And yet nearly halfway through the season the Knicks are locked into the 6th seed 6 games ahead of Pacers and only 2.5 games behind Atlanta. So my question how in the world did the Knicks accomplish this?

Raymond Felton is averaging 18 pts and 9 asst, far above his career averages.Wilson Chandler is shooting the three at 37%, far above what he has shown in the past, and he has become a very good all around player.And Amare is an offensive beast.They are first in scoring and 28th in points allowed. They score more points than their opponent.

No GM would go after Lee before Amare. As was evident by this past offseason and before Amare proved that GM right. Silly.

mistake by every gm, when factoring in the cost. lee and amare are similar players.

 

[grateful zed]

nba sux

 

[Steelfan7]

I am a bit lost guys perhaps you can help me out. Throughout this thread it has been repeated that Amare is a poor defender, poor rebounder, bulk scorer and was not worth the extra money when compared to David Lee. When looking at Amare's supporting cast (Gallo, Fields, Chandler) they are nowhere near the level of a Favors, Harris, and a couple of mid 1st round picks which can usually be bought come draft time. Then I look to the coach perhaps he is the reason they are winning but I am reminded that he sucks and his system will never win in a playoff environment. And yet nearly halfway through the season the Knicks are locked into the 6th seed 6 games ahead of Pacers and only 2.5 games behind Atlanta. So my question how in the world did the Knicks accomplish this?

Raymond Felton is averaging 18 pts and 9 asst, far above his career averages.Wilson Chandler is shooting the three at 37%, far above what he has shown in the past, and he has become a very good all around player.And Amare is an offensive beast.They are first in scoring and 28th in points allowed. They score more points than their opponent.

No GM would go after Lee before Amare. As was evident by this past offseason and before Amare proved that GM right. Silly.

mistake by every gm, when factoring in the cost. lee and amare are similar players.

No knowledgeable basketball fan would ever make that statement.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

I am a bit lost guys perhaps you can help me out. Throughout this thread it has been repeated that Amare is a poor defender, poor rebounder, bulk scorer and was not worth the extra money when compared to David Lee. When looking at Amare's supporting cast (Gallo, Fields, Chandler) they are nowhere near the level of a Favors, Harris, and a couple of mid 1st round picks which can usually be bought come draft time. Then I look to the coach perhaps he is the reason they are winning but I am reminded that he sucks and his system will never win in a playoff environment. And yet nearly halfway through the season the Knicks are locked into the 6th seed 6 games ahead of Pacers and only 2.5 games behind Atlanta. So my question how in the world did the Knicks accomplish this?

Raymond Felton is averaging 18 pts and 9 asst, far above his career averages.Wilson Chandler is shooting the three at 37%, far above what he has shown in the past, and he has become a very good all around player.And Amare is an offensive beast.They are first in scoring and 28th in points allowed. They score more points than their opponent.

No GM would go after Lee before Amare. As was evident by this past offseason and before Amare proved that GM right. Silly.

mistake by every gm, when factoring in the cost. lee and amare are similar players.

No knowledgeable basketball fan would ever make that statement.

show your work.

 

[Steelfan7]

show your work.

Exhibit A - look up W-L record of teams Amar'e has been on and then look up W-L record of teams Lee has been on.That is just the starting point of the difference between the two.I'll hang up and listen now.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

show your work.

Exhibit A - look up W-L record of teams Amar'e has been on and then look up W-L record of teams Lee has been on.That is just the starting point of the difference between the two.I'll hang up and listen now.

robert horry, best player in the past 30 years?

 

[No. 16]

show your work.

Exhibit A - look up W-L record of teams Amar'e has been on and then look up W-L record of teams Lee has been on.That is just the starting point of the difference between the two.I'll hang up and listen now.

Tough to blame Lee for his team's record when the first half of his career was spent on Isiah Thomas constructed teams and followed by playing on teams constructed solely for their contracts rather than their contributions on the court. This year on the Warriors due to a zombie bite, Lee missed more games than than the past 3 years combined, and has only recently begun to regain full motion. I mean name the best teammate David Lee has played with. You get to choose between Steve Francis, Marbury, and Eddy Curry! Amare on the other hand has played with one of the best PGs of this decade and Shawn Marion who was arguably one of the best SF and defenders in the NBA. So comparing team records doesn't tell you the contributions of each player. Regarding Lee vs Amare considering money.Amare = 20 million per year/5 yrsLee = 13.3 million per year/6 yrs That's an extra 6.7 to spend which is can be used to get a MLE type player. So ask yourself is Lee + MLE type player <, >, or = to Amare?