*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (4 Viewers)

[Juxtatarot]

If Stacey misses another game in the future, they could just click on some on these at opportune moments and let Funk go solo.

 

[whitem0nkey]

so true.

 

[the moops]

That was pretty sick.However, Rose isn't even in the conversation for MVP, IMO.

He is clearly behind Lebron, Wade, Dirk, Howard, Durant and Paul. And probably behind Kobe, Amare, and Deron.

 

[whitem0nkey]

perhaps, perhaps not

 

[the moops]

Well that's just stupid.

 

[Juxtatarot]

It's a wide open race this year. At this point you can make a case for Rose as well as most of the players you list.

 

[whitem0nkey]

here is the MVP watch listIt will be close and I think the Bulls will have to finish 3rd for him to get it. times are a changin.

1. Derrick Rose

2. LeBron James

3. Amare Stoudemire

4. Dwight Howard

5. Dirk Nowitzki

6. Dwyane Wade

7. Russell Westbrook

8. Deron Williams

 

[SoBeDad]

I was just looking at Lebron and Wade's stats. On a per 36 basis, it is amazing how similar they are (besides a nice edge in rebounds by Lebron).

Link

How many MVP votes does Lebron get from playing multiple positions: Winderman on Lebron

 

[the moops]

How is Russell Westbrook ahead of his teammate Kevin Durant who is the leading scorer in the league?That list is garbage.

 

[simmonjm]

The saga continues latest tweet from Chris Broussard:

Den, NJ, Det could be working feverishly for nothing. Sources say Melo has never told anyone, not even his reps, he's willing to sign in NJ

 

[tommyGunZ]

LA 81

Clev 31

mid-way through the 3rd. I don't ever remember a beat down like this.

 

[SoBeDad]

LA 81Clev 31 mid-way through the 3rd. I don't ever remember a beat down like this.

Is Kobe over 50% from the field?

 

[the moops]

LA 81Clev 31 mid-way through the 3rd. I don't ever remember a beat down like this.

Cleveland is a very, very bad team.One win in their last 20 games.But yea, I'm not sure I remember a score as lopsided as that.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Nice to see that Rose is at the bottom of this group in PER. Maurice Brooks isn't from Chicago by any chance is he? Awful list.Love at most improved is ridiculous too. Beasley is a better choice.

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

LA 81Clev 31 mid-way through the 3rd. I don't ever remember a beat down like this.

Is Kobe over 50% from the field?

Naive Heat fan still focusing on the wrong stats.

 

[Juxtatarot]

The saga continues latest tweet from Chris Broussarden, NJ, Det could be working feverishly for nothing. Sources say Melo has never told anyone, not even his reps, he's willing to sign in NJ

I mentioned this speculation a few pages ago. Rose and WWW want the trade so they can make money off a Melo extension. It doesn't make any sense that Melo would want to play for a bad NJ team with an unhappy Billups and a rapidly declining Rip.I still think nothing will happen here and Melo will play the year out with the Nuggets.

 

[biggamer3]

Holy balls are the Blazers bad, Knicks played their B game tonight and still beat Portland by double digits in Portland.

Basically Portland's offense is let LA try to get the hoop going back to the basket, if he cant shoot it its a wild 3 from some dude.

They look lost on offense and Wes Matthews is hella overrated IMO

 

[D'OHtis]

Random question (and I'll be interested to take a look after the season): Will Cleveland double their current win total (7) by the end of the regular season??? If so, how many wins total do you project by year's end?I'm surprised they've won 7 so far. Cast of mediocre bit players (to put it kindly) that I believe had any confidence shattered by the Heat game.

1-19 since the Miami game. Forget doubling their win total, will they break the double digit win barrier by year's end? My personal opinion on this team has been it's amongst the worst assembly of talent in NBA history. Maybe the Heat cheerleading squad will have some openings next year. Seems a few of them would prefer scoring brownie points with Lebron than points for an NBA team.

 

[Bobcat10]

KingJames: Crazy. Karma is a b****.. Gets you every time. Its not good to wish bad on anybody. God sees everything!

 

[wadegarrett]

KingJames: Crazy. Karma is a b****.. Gets you every time. Its not good to wish bad on anybody. God sees everything!

He's such a dickbag.

 

[TobiasFunke]

KingJames: Crazy. Karma is a b****.. Gets you every time. Its not good to wish bad on anybody. God sees everything!

He's such a dickbag.

Nobody could be this stupid. It has to be a deliberate attempt by LeBron or his people or the league to turn him into a Villain again. There's been waning attention paid to the Heat since they turned it on. Someone has realized that people love to hate the guy, and watching him and the team win at or above rate that most predicted and act like professionals is bad for business.

 

[simmonjm]

KingJames: Crazy. Karma is a b****.. Gets you every time. Its not good to wish bad on anybody. God sees everything!

Cavs owner opened himself for this type of criticism when he let his emotions get the best of him after Lebron's departure.

 

[simmonjm]

Supposedley Denver Nuggets are really high on Batum from Blazers. I have watched this kid play a couple of times and while he definetly has potential I am stumped why Denver would want him as the face of thier franchise. Any ideas?

 

[Bobcat10]

KingJames: Crazy. Karma is a b****.. Gets you every time. Its not good to wish bad on anybody. God sees everything!

He's such a dickbag.

Nobody could be this stupid. It has to be a deliberate attempt by LeBron or his people or the league to turn him into a Villain again. There's been waning attention paid to the Heat since they turned it on. Someone has realized that people love to hate the guy, and watching him and the team win at or above rate that most predicted and act like professionals is bad for business.

God read your tweet, LeBoob. But it's Cleveland and Gilbert who can't get over this guy and let it go, right? Seems like he's paying more attention to us than we are to him. (no, this is not directed at you, Tobias)

 

[Bobcat10]

KingJames: Crazy. Karma is a b****.. Gets you every time. Its not good to wish bad on anybody. God sees everything!

Cavs owner opened himself for this type of criticism when he let his emotions get the best of him after Lebron's departure.

It's January 2011. Should he really still care? Was karma not fulfilled after the Heat drubbing of the Cavs in December? Although, like Tobias stated, this could just be Maverick and the gang marketing like geniuses, well sorta.

 

[timschochet]

The subtitle of this thread refers to a pretty distant memory by now...

 

[Cliff Clavin]

The subtitle of this thread refers to a pretty distant memory by now...

Could you please turn into a distant memory?

 

[Kev4029]

Supposedley Denver Nuggets are really high on Batum from Blazers. I have watched this kid play a couple of times and while he definetly has potential I am stumped why Denver would want him as the face of thier franchise. Any ideas?

I love him as a player and he has tons of potential. I think he'll develop into a more athletic version of Bruce Bowen. The Nuggs don't want him to be the face of the franchise, just a building block for the future wtih Lawson, Afflalo, Nene and hopefully Favors.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Stay classy King James.

It's unfortunate that Varejao is gone for the season and Mo Williams has missed a month. The Cavs record is going to be historically bad and naive fans will argue that James made a 50 win difference.

 

[simmonjm]

Supposedley Denver Nuggets are really high on Batum from Blazers. I have watched this kid play a couple of times and while he definetly has potential I am stumped why Denver would want him as the face of thier franchise. Any ideas?

I love him as a player and he has tons of potential. I think he'll develop into a more athletic version of Bruce Bowen. The Nuggs don't want him to be the face of the franchise, just a building block for the future wtih Lawson, Afflalo, Nene and hopefully Favors.

I prefer Wilson Chandler (over Batum) who is only 23 years of age, the only downside to Chandler is that he is in the last year of his contract and will be getting a substantial pay raise in the future so for a franchise rebuilding I can see why Chandler would have such little value.

 

[timschochet]

The subtitle of this thread refers to a pretty distant memory by now...

Could you please turn into a distant memory?

You seem rather petulant.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

The subtitle of this thread refers to a pretty distant memory by now...

Could you please turn into a distant memory?

You seem rather petulant.

You seem rather annoying.

 

[Kev4029]

Supposedley Denver Nuggets are really high on Batum from Blazers. I have watched this kid play a couple of times and while he definetly has potential I am stumped why Denver would want him as the face of thier franchise. Any ideas?

I love him as a player and he has tons of potential. I think he'll develop into a more athletic version of Bruce Bowen. The Nuggs don't want him to be the face of the franchise, just a building block for the future wtih Lawson, Afflalo, Nene and hopefully Favors.

I prefer Wilson Chandler (over Batum) who is only 23 years of age, the only downside to Chandler is that he is in the last year of his contract and will be getting a substantial pay raise in the future so for a franchise rebuilding I can see why Chandler would have such little value.

Batum is nearly the athlete Chandler is, he's younger, has shown more defensive potential on a wide range of positions and has a much nicer shooting stroke. If I was looking for a 3 I hoped would be a 20ppg scorer I would go with Chandler but I could see Batum as a first team all defense while shooting 50% from the field and 40% from 3 and scoring 18ppg. Plus he's cheaper.

 

[Redwes25]

Supposedley Denver Nuggets are really high on Batum from Blazers. I have watched this kid play a couple of times and while he definetly has potential I am stumped why Denver would want him as the face of thier franchise. Any ideas?

I love him as a player and he has tons of potential. I think he'll develop into a more athletic version of Bruce Bowen. The Nuggs don't want him to be the face of the franchise, just a building block for the future wtih Lawson, Afflalo, Nene and hopefully Favors.

I prefer Wilson Chandler (over Batum) who is only 23 years of age, the only downside to Chandler is that he is in the last year of his contract and will be getting a substantial pay raise in the future so for a franchise rebuilding I can see why Chandler would have such little value.

Batum is nearly the athlete Chandler is, he's younger, has shown more defensive potential on a wide range of positions and has a much nicer shooting stroke. If I was looking for a 3 I hoped would be a 20ppg scorer I would go with Chandler but I could see Batum as a first team all defense while shooting 50% from the field and 40% from 3 and scoring 18ppg. Plus he's cheaper.

plus Chandler is on the Knicks and you hate the Knicks

 

[Bobcat10]

Supposedley Denver Nuggets are really high on Batum from Blazers. I have watched this kid play a couple of times and while he definetly has potential I am stumped why Denver would want him as the face of thier franchise. Any ideas?

I love him as a player and he has tons of potential. I think he'll develop into a more athletic version of Bruce Bowen. The Nuggs don't want him to be the face of the franchise, just a building block for the future wtih Lawson, Afflalo, Nene and hopefully Favors.

I prefer Wilson Chandler (over Batum) who is only 23 years of age, the only downside to Chandler is that he is in the last year of his contract and will be getting a substantial pay raise in the future so for a franchise rebuilding I can see why Chandler would have such little value.

Batum is nearly the athlete Chandler is, he's younger, has shown more defensive potential on a wide range of positions and has a much nicer shooting stroke. If I was looking for a 3 I hoped would be a 20ppg scorer I would go with Chandler but I could see Batum as a first team all defense while shooting 50% from the field and 40% from 3 and scoring 18ppg. Plus he's cheaper.

plus Chandler is on the Knicks and you hate the Knicks

simm is a Knicks homer who admitted watching Batum "a couple of times". Just sayin'...

 

[Sammy3469]

Supposedley Denver Nuggets are really high on Batum from Blazers. I have watched this kid play a couple of times and while he definetly has potential I am stumped why Denver would want him as the face of thier franchise. Any ideas?

I love him as a player and he has tons of potential. I think he'll develop into a more athletic version of Bruce Bowen. The Nuggs don't want him to be the face of the franchise, just a building block for the future wtih Lawson, Afflalo, Nene and hopefully Favors.

I prefer Wilson Chandler (over Batum) who is only 23 years of age, the only downside to Chandler is that he is in the last year of his contract and will be getting a substantial pay raise in the future so for a franchise rebuilding I can see why Chandler would have such little value.

Batum is nearly the athlete Chandler is, he's younger, has shown more defensive potential on a wide range of positions and has a much nicer shooting stroke. If I was looking for a 3 I hoped would be a 20ppg scorer I would go with Chandler but I could see Batum as a first team all defense while shooting 50% from the field and 40% from 3 and scoring 18ppg. Plus he's cheaper.

Wake me when he actually does that

 

[the moops]

Stay classy King James.It's unfortunate that Varejao is gone for the season and Mo Williams has missed a month. The Cavs record is going to be historically bad and naive fans will argue that James made a 50 win difference.

Cleveland was 30-8 last year at this point. This year they are 8-30.Seems like he is worth just about 50 games to me.

 

[Kev4029]

Supposedley Denver Nuggets are really high on Batum from Blazers. I have watched this kid play a couple of times and while he definetly has potential I am stumped why Denver would want him as the face of thier franchise. Any ideas?

I love him as a player and he has tons of potential. I think he'll develop into a more athletic version of Bruce Bowen. The Nuggs don't want him to be the face of the franchise, just a building block for the future wtih Lawson, Afflalo, Nene and hopefully Favors.

I prefer Wilson Chandler (over Batum) who is only 23 years of age, the only downside to Chandler is that he is in the last year of his contract and will be getting a substantial pay raise in the future so for a franchise rebuilding I can see why Chandler would have such little value.

Batum is nearly the athlete Chandler is, he's younger, has shown more defensive potential on a wide range of positions and has a much nicer shooting stroke. If I was looking for a 3 I hoped would be a 20ppg scorer I would go with Chandler but I could see Batum as a first team all defense while shooting 50% from the field and 40% from 3 and scoring 18ppg. Plus he's cheaper.

Wake me when he actually does that

He was hitting right around 50/40 last year and was doing close to that the first 20 games of the year this year but has played horribly the last month.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

KingJames: Crazy. Karma is a b****.. Gets you every time. Its not good to wish bad on anybody. God sees everything!

Cavs owner and fans still think they'll be better without Lebron?

 

[wadegarrett]

KingJames: Crazy. Karma is a b****.. Gets you every time. Its not good to wish bad on anybody. God sees everything!

Cavs owner and fans still think they'll be better without Lebron?

Link?

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

Stay classy King James.It's unfortunate that Varejao is gone for the season and Mo Williams has missed a month. The Cavs record is going to be historically bad and naive fans will argue that James made a 50 win difference.

Cleveland was 30-8 last year at this point. This year they are 8-30.Seems like he is worth just about 50 games to me.

How many games are Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh worth?

 

[the moops]

Stay classy King James.It's unfortunate that Varejao is gone for the season and Mo Williams has missed a month. The Cavs record is going to be historically bad and naive fans will argue that James made a 50 win difference.

Cleveland was 30-8 last year at this point. This year they are 8-30.Seems like he is worth just about 50 games to me.

How many games are Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh worth?

If you put Wade on Cleveland. Probably 40 games.If you put Bosh on Cleveland. 10 games.If it makes you happy, if you put Kobe on Cleveland he would be worth as many wins as Wade, IMO...but not as many as Lebron.

 

[No. 16]

Stay classy King James.It's unfortunate that Varejao is gone for the season and Mo Williams has missed a month. The Cavs record is going to be historically bad and naive fans will argue that James made a 50 win difference.

Cleveland was 30-8 last year at this point. This year they are 8-30.Seems like he is worth just about 50 games to me.

How many games are Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh worth?

Seeing that last year the Heat went 47-35 with pretty much the same roster sans LBJ and Bosh it looks like those two combined are worth < 30 wins.

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

Stay classy King James.It's unfortunate that Varejao is gone for the season and Mo Williams has missed a month. The Cavs record is going to be historically bad and naive fans will argue that James made a 50 win difference.

Cleveland was 30-8 last year at this point. This year they are 8-30.Seems like he is worth just about 50 games to me.

How many games are Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh worth?

If you put Wade on Cleveland. Probably 40 games.If you put Bosh on Cleveland. 10 games.If it makes you happy, if you put Kobe on Cleveland he would be worth as many wins as Wade, IMO...but not as many as Lebron.

What if you put all three together on the same team? How many wins is Lebron worth to the Heat and why has he taken such a step back in his play in his physical prime?

 

[Shtaym Syek]

If it makes you happy, if you put Kobe on Cleveland he would be worth as many wins as Wade, IMO...but not as many as Lebron.

Seems like we should have some sort of separate thread that discusses their relative worth to one another.

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

I just love the math

Lets assume that Heat match the win record of 08 Cavs (66-16) and 2010 LeBron isn't significantly worse than 2008 LeBron

2010 Dwayne Wade win factor + 2010 Lebron James win factor + 2010 Chris Bosh win factor = 2008 Lebron James win factor + (a bunch of scrubs)

As I have said before there are only three options here

1. 2010 LeBron <<<< 2008 LeBron

2. Wade + Bosh = "a bunch of scrubs"

3. The 08-10 Cavs supporting cast is criminally underrated.

 

[Balco]

Nets need to just pull the plug on the Carmelo deal. He doesn't want to play in New Jersey. Hold onto Murphy, don't trade him for a multi year contract. Then talk Chris Paul in the offseason. He is a player that is worth getting rid of Favors and giving the Hornets a haul like they were going to give the Nuggets. Paul, unlike Anthony, makes everyone around him better.

 

[Shtaym Syek]

I just love the math

Lets assume that Heat match the win record of 08 Cavs (66-16) and 2010 LeBron isn't significantly worse than 2008 LeBron

2010 Dwayne Wade win factor + 2010 Lebron James win factor + 2010 Chris Bosh win factor = 2008 Lebron James win factor + (a bunch of scrubs)

As I have said before there are only three options here

1. 2010 LeBron <<<< 2008 LeBron

2. Wade + Bosh = "a bunch of scrubs"

3. The 08-10 Cavs supporting cast is criminally underrated.

You realize that you can't just add the numbers, right?I have no dog in this fight, because I really don't care - but it seems rather obvious to me that they're still only playing with one basketball.

 

[Sammy3469]

I just love the math

Lets assume that Heat match the win record of 08 Cavs (66-16) and 2010 LeBron isn't significantly worse than 2008 LeBron

2010 Dwayne Wade win factor + 2010 Lebron James win factor + 2010 Chris Bosh win factor = 2008 Lebron James win factor + (a bunch of scrubs)

As I have said before there are only three options here

1. 2010 LeBron <<<< 2008 LeBron

2. Wade + Bosh = "a bunch of scrubs"

3. The 08-10 Cavs supporting cast is criminally underrated.

There's also the fourth option that wins don't correlate one for one with quality of the players.

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

I just love the math

Lets assume that Heat match the win record of 08 Cavs (66-16) and 2010 LeBron isn't significantly worse than 2008 LeBron

2010 Dwayne Wade win factor + 2010 Lebron James win factor + 2010 Chris Bosh win factor = 2008 Lebron James win factor + (a bunch of scrubs)

As I have said before there are only three options here

1. 2010 LeBron <<<< 2008 LeBron

2. Wade + Bosh = "a bunch of scrubs"

3. The 08-10 Cavs supporting cast is criminally underrated.

You realize that you can't just add the numbers, right?I have no dog in this fight, because I really don't care - but it seems rather obvious to me that they're still only playing with one basketball.

Why not? That's the entire idea of win shares. Otherwise you are just picking numbers out of the sky.