*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (4 Viewers)

[Smack Tripper]

Lebron is supposed to BE Jordan. He's not floundering with the Cavs here, he assembled the dream team, he arranged this, and in hoops, more than any other sport, the individual star dominates that game, if only because of the sheer number of players on the court. He has help, he is supposed to be the king. If he doesn't win titles, he is not great, I'm its that simple.

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I would argue the converse, you're arguing in the face of facts. By your blithe measure, Ed O'Bannion could be "one of the greatest".

 

[Apple Juice]

I never learned anything from losing. Especially not when compared to wwhat i learned from winning.

Really? You learn plenty from both. Sometimes though extreme heartache leads to extreme joy. Sometiems you have to lose a tough game to learn how to make sure you win it the next time. That's me though.

Most here haven't played sports to the extent you have so you'll have to forgive us our ignorance.

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

So let me get this straight:

1. If LeBron wins, he doesn't deserve any credit because he's supposed to win- who wouldn't win with that much talent?

2. If LeBron loses, he is a choker and not a great player.

Gotcha!

Is this because Clliff took LeBron out of the title?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Todem sounds like JMon circa 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011

 

[Todem]

Todem sounds like JMon circa 2006

yeah this todem is almost unbearableDidnt have to read his post about going to the preseason championship ceremony to know he was there along with all the other bandwagon hoppers

You know nothing about me. Bandwagon hoppers LMFAO.A fan since 88.Unbearable? Because I love my team? A team I have seen suck many many seasons, have some great years when Riley got here, have some heartbreak with ZO? A 15 win season? Yeah ok.Give me a break.

 

[timschochet]

Lebron is supposed to BE Jordan. He's not floundering with the Cavs here, he assembled the dream team, he arranged this, and in hoops, more than any other sport, the individual star dominates that game, if only because of the sheer number of players on the court. He has help, he is supposed to be the king. If he doesn't win titles, he is not great, I'm its that simple.

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I would argue the converse, you're arguing in the face of facts. By your blithe measure, Ed O'Bannion could be "one of the greatest".

He was at UCLA. (For a year, anyhow.) But what does Ed O have to do with this discussion? By your measure, Jack Haley could be one of the greatest.

 

[Instinctive]

Hey I am glad this happened. I want the Heat to have to earn this. Going into Dallas...this Sunday is a huge game. And Champions respond to adversity. Dallas did a fantastic job last night. Now it is the Heats turn to officially make this a series by winning Sunday night.

Color me skeptical.

Actually wen you have played sports you whole life (again not comparing my amatuer sports life to professional sports) you lose games like this and it only makes you better and gives you a thicker skin.The Heat have been on a roll this post season. They have not had a total collapse like this this post season. It happened. And out of a huge negative like this will come a huge positive. Awareness. Not to let it slip away again. I am highly confident the Heat responds with an positive exclamation point Sunday.

Wow! The Heat have been on a roll this postseason? I could have sworn the team on a roll was the one that swept the defending champs and already has MULTIPLE comebacks just like last night...no wonder people dislike Miami.

You know.......many posts I have made have said...the Mavs were fantastic last night. They are a great team. We lost to a great team.It's a seven game series.Your not beating us 3 more times.Not happening.

Figured I ought to save this.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Heat took to many jumpers and the pace of the game wasn't in their favor. They did exactly what the Mavs needed then to do. I'm not sure why the heat go into jumper mode when up 15+ in the 4th and blow the leads instead of staying aggressive and winning by 35.

 

[Todem]

Todem sounds like JMon circa 2006

yeah this todem is almost unbearableDidnt have to read his post about going to the preseason championship ceremony to know he was there along with all the other bandwagon hoppers

I just noticed...Knicks fan. BTW I am from Brooklyn but moved to South Florida in 72. But my family was from Brooklyn. Now I understand the friction. LOL.It's all good.

 

[Todem]

I never learned anything from losing. Especially not when compared to wwhat i learned from winning.

Really? You learn plenty from both. Sometimes though extreme heartache leads to extreme joy. Sometiems you have to lose a tough game to learn how to make sure you win it the next time. That's me though.

Most here haven't played sports to the extent you have so you'll have to forgive us our ignorance.

Come on now. I am trying to keep it cool.You want to keep jabbing go right ahead.

 

[biggamer3]

Todem sounds like JMon circa 2006

yeah this todem is almost unbearableDidnt have to read his post about going to the preseason championship ceremony to know he was there along with all the other bandwagon hoppers

I just noticed...Knicks fan. BTW I am from Brooklyn but moved to South Florida in 72. But my family was from Brooklyn. Now I understand the friction. LOL.It's all good.

Yeah Knicks fan but that has nothing to do with this.Can't wait to see what you have to say when heat lose next game. Mavs played their two worst games of season and still split, that gotta be getting to you

 

[biggamer3]

Mother fffffffffffffffff

Donnie Walsh steps down

Only good thing from this is Dantoni gets boot from new gm

 

[Workhorse]

Excellent breakdown of the Mavs comeback using the same sideline staggered screen set over and over again:

http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/06/03/the-play-that-sparked-dallas-comeback/

This is the only reason why I think the Mavericks can beat the heat -- They have a far superior coach.

 

[boubucarow]

So let me get this straight:

1. If LeBron wins, he doesn't deserve any credit because he's supposed to win- who wouldn't win with that much talent?

2. If LeBron loses, he is a choker and not a great player.

Gotcha!

I don't agree with the statements. But logically they agree.

 

[Wrigley]

So let me get this straight:

1. If LeBron wins, he doesn't deserve any credit because he's supposed to win- who wouldn't win with that much talent?

2. If LeBron loses, he is a choker and not a great player.

Gotcha!

I don't agree with the statements. But logically they agree.

Yankee's deal with this every year.

 

[Saints-Man]

LeBron plays great in game after game and you guys stay silent. Then Miami loses and all the doubters come out. Pathetic.I think Dallas is going to win this series- IF Dirk is healthy. There may be something wrong with him, I'm not sure. But even if Dallas does win, that takes nothing away from the greatness of LeBron James. He is the best player in the NBA, and one of the best ever.

I am not sure if James is the best player in the league(Kobe has a decent argument), but he is certainly in the top 2-3. I am rooting very heavily for the Mavs, but I too thought that was a great play by James by reading the defense correctly and making a great cross-court pass to Chalmers for that big shot.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Oh man, I am so glad that Isiah is going to be back in my life. This is awesome. Sorry, Knicks fans.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

How did someone as stupid as Dolan manage to get rich?

 

[Gr00vus]

After the Heat were up 15 (88-73), they took 11 shots, 7 shots were 3 pointers, including their last 5 shots of the game (including half court shot at buzzer).I still don't understand how Wade doesn't get the ball and go the basket, like he had been all game. Wade's only shot in last 6 minutes was an off balance 3 at the shot clock buzzer.

That is all we are talking about here on the local sports talk shows.We are baffled.

They ran isolation plays. Pretty sure that is the most effective offense possible.

There is no other rational option.

 

[Joe Summer]

How did someone as stupid as Dolan manage to get rich?

His dad gave him a billion dollars.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Heat took to many jumpers and the pace of the game wasn't in their favor. They did exactly what the Mavs needed then to do. I'm not sure why the heat go into jumper mode when up 15+ in the 4th and blow the leads instead of staying aggressive and winning by 35.

Dallas stopped turning the ball over (which is easier to do when you are scoring on almost every possession down the stretch), giving Miami almost no chances at scoring those fast break buckets in the transition game, which they are almost unstoppable at. Miami's half court offense isn't nearly as effective, especially when their jump shots aren't falling.

 

[the moops]

I am not sure if James is the best player in the league(Kobe has a decent argument)

People (not Laker fans) still think this is true?

 

[tommyGunZ]

I am not sure if James is the best player in the league(Kobe has a decent argument)

People (not Laker fans) still think this is true?

Tired shtick moops...time for some new material.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Oh man, I am so glad that Isiah is going to be back in my life. This is awesome. Sorry, Knicks fans.

Any reason given for Walsh stepping down? IMO, Walsh isn't very good anyway. He managed to make a few good moves with the Pacers, but made a ton of horrible ones too (Austin Croshere anyone?). That being said, he seemed to have turned the Knicks around to a competitive team pretty quickly.I hope so badly that Isaiah is back though. The NBA I'd less hilarious without him in control of the Knicks.

 

[The Kansas Comet]

Yeah if Lebron loses this the can't win the big one label will gather lots of steam.



I was rooting so hard for the Mavs especially after that Lebron and Wade punching chests thing up 15

That arrogance they showed was absurd. It reminded me of their preseason celebration. Go Dallas!

+1Was rooting for the Mavs somewhat ambivalently prior to that, but seeing that garbage inspired a visceral anti-Heat reaction.

 

[biggamer3]

Oh man, I am so glad that Isiah is going to be back in my life. This is awesome. Sorry, Knicks fans.

Any reason given for Walsh stepping down? IMO, Walsh isn't very good anyway. He managed to make a few good moves with the Pacers, but made a ton of horrible ones too (Austin Croshere anyone?). That being said, he seemed to have turned the Knicks around to a competitive team pretty quickly.I hope so badly that Isaiah is back though. The NBA I'd less hilarious without him in control of the Knicks.

I will always respect Donnie and give kudos for at elast getting a plan in palce for Knicks to be relevant and dump salary but his drafting Jordan Hill was a huge huge mistake. The fact the Knicks needed a young PG and there were so many still on the board and the Knicks still took Hill who everyone knew would be a bust.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I am sorry, but the outrage over LBJ and Wade's celebration when up 15 is laughable. We see that kind of stuff all of the time, but everyone hates the Heat, so it is suddenly the worst thing ever. Give me a break.

 

[biggamer3]

I am sorry, but the outrage over LBJ and Wade's celebration when up 15 is laughable. We see that kind of stuff all of the time, but everyone hates the Heat, so it is suddenly the worst thing ever. Give me a break.

Wade having his hands in the air for 5 seconds in front of Mavs bench was tolerable i guess. But that punching chests thing was cockyness to the 99th degree

 

[Todem]

Here is a very interesting stat going into game 3.

Since the NBA went to the 2-3-2 format in the finals in 1985 in the 11 times a seris has been tied 1-1 the winner of game 3 is:

11-0 in winning the finals.

Yeah Game three is a big mother.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

I've been wanting to post in this thread for a while, but I just haven't found the right thing to say.

I've been a Mavs fan since I was a kid (32 now) and all I can say is that these last few weeks have been the highlight of the entire lifelong experience. Much like with the Rangers last season, everything about this run has been magical. The big comebacks, the sweep of the Lakers, Dirk getting his national recognition and putting on performances that rank up with the all-time greats, Kidd back where he started, the rematch with the Heat, good vs. evil...

I don't know if the Mavs will win the series, but it's been a lot of fun and, every game something crazy seems to happen. It will be disappointing if they can't close it out, but either way, this has gotta go down as the best of times for this franchise, and as a Mavs fan, NBA fan and all around sports fan, this is what we live for, so enjoy it.

 

[No. 16]

I've been wanting to post in this thread for a while, but I just haven't found the right thing to say.I've been a Mavs fan since I was a kid (32 now) and all I can say is that these last few weeks have been the highlight of the entire lifelong experience. Much like with the Rangers last season, everything about this run has been magical. The big comebacks, the sweep of the Lakers, Dirk getting his national recognition and putting on performances that rank up with the all-time greats, Kidd back where he started, the rematch with the Heat, good vs. evil...I don't know if the Mavs will win the series, but it's been a lot of fun and, every game something crazy seems to happen. It will be disappointing if they can't close it out, but either way, this has gotta go down as the best of times for this franchise, and as a Mavs fan, NBA fan and all around sports fan, this is what we live for, so enjoy it.

Mavs fans >>>>> Heat fans

 

[Todem]

I've been wanting to post in this thread for a while, but I just haven't found the right thing to say.I've been a Mavs fan since I was a kid (32 now) and all I can say is that these last few weeks have been the highlight of the entire lifelong experience. Much like with the Rangers last season, everything about this run has been magical. The big comebacks, the sweep of the Lakers, Dirk getting his national recognition and putting on performances that rank up with the all-time greats, Kidd back where he started, the rematch with the Heat, good vs. evil...I don't know if the Mavs will win the series, but it's been a lot of fun and, every game something crazy seems to happen. It will be disappointing if they can't close it out, but either way, this has gotta go down as the best of times for this franchise, and as a Mavs fan, NBA fan and all around sports fan, this is what we live for, so enjoy it.

Very well said.The series has been excellent thus far.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I am sorry, but the outrage over LBJ and Wade's celebration when up 15 is laughable. We see that kind of stuff all of the time, but everyone hates the Heat, so it is suddenly the worst thing ever. Give me a break.

Wade having his hands in the air for 5 seconds in front of Mavs bench was tolerable i guess. But that punching chests thing was cockyness to the 99th degree

Agreed. And we see stuff like that all of the time. I don't see how this is much different. Shaq's celebration following his dunk in Game 7 against Portland is considered one of his greatest moments ever, but what if Portland had made an unbelievable comeback to win that game? Would the outrage have been the same? Probably not. So I don't see the big deal here. This just looks bad because Dallas came back and won the game. But teams "prematurely" celebrate all of the time following big shots/moments like that. Had Miami gone on to win the game and then the series in 4 or 5, that moment probably would have been one of the most shown of the finals. And I say this as someone who is rooting hard for the Mavericks.

 

[the moops]

I am not sure if James is the best player in the league(Kobe has a decent argument)

People (not Laker fans) still think this is true?

Tired shtick moops...time for some new material.

Even you have admitted that Lebron has passed Kobe, haven't you?

 

[Britney Spears]

Excellent breakdown of the Mavs comeback using the same sideline staggered screen set over and over again:

http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/06/03/the-play-that-sparked-dallas-comeback/

This is the only reason why I think the Mavericks can beat the heat -- They have a far superior coach.

The time they ran this play that Dirk hit the three, Haslem had figured it out (they had run it several times already).But Chandler absolutely molested him with what should have been an offensive foul. He looked like Jonathan Ogden out there pushing Haslem back from contesting the three.

 

[Kev4029]

Mother fffffffffffffffffDonnie Walsh steps down Only good thing from this is Dantoni gets boot from new gm

Have fun with Isiah, Melo.

 

[Kev4029]

I am not sure if James is the best player in the league(Kobe has a decent argument)

Lets see this decent argument, because I'm positive it doesn't exist.

 

[Vicktimized]

James and Howard are the most valuable players in the league, although nobody has played better than Nowitzki over the past month-plus.

 

[No. 16]

Excellent breakdown of the Mavs comeback using the same sideline staggered screen set over and over again:

http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/06/03/the-play-that-sparked-dallas-comeback/

This is the only reason why I think the Mavericks can beat the heat -- They have a far superior coach.

The time they ran this play that Dirk hit the three, Haslem had figured it out (they had run it several times already).But Chandler absolutely molested him with what should have been an offensive foul. He looked like Jonathan Ogden out there pushing Haslem back from contesting the three.

I watched the play and it looks like Haselm didn't even try to go around Chandler. He just ran right into him. Not sure what Chandler is supposed to do.

 

[goldenchild]

I am sorry, but the outrage over LBJ and Wade's celebration when up 15 is laughable. We see that kind of stuff all of the time, but everyone hates the Heat, so it is suddenly the worst thing ever. Give me a break.

Wade having his hands in the air for 5 seconds in front of Mavs bench was tolerable i guess. But that punching chests thing was cockyness to the 99th degree

Agreed. And we see stuff like that all of the time. I don't see how this is much different. Shaq's celebration following his dunk in Game 7 against Portland is considered one of his greatest moments ever, but what if Portland had made an unbelievable comeback to win that game? Would the outrage have been the same? Probably not. So I don't see the big deal here. This just looks bad because Dallas came back and won the game. But teams "prematurely" celebrate all of the time following big shots/moments like that. Had Miami gone on to win the game and then the series in 4 or 5, that moment probably would have been one of the most shown of the finals. And I say this as someone who is rooting hard for the Mavericks.

This.Emotion Down? I don't see any difference between those acts and what you see when a players throws down a huge dunk and lets out that emotional yell. Sometimes people get caught up in the moment.Has anyone mentioned Dirk's "arrogant" holding up of his 3 fingers at the end as he was taunting the crowd? We even got a nice slow motion of it before the commercial break. To me that's as bad as the chest punching, but since Dallas won = not a big deal. Do I have it right?

 

[Instinctive]

They're making no bigger deal of it than they did of the Durant championship belt thing.

And since nobody's even mentioned that yet, and i happened like 9 days ago...I don't think we can really say anybody is making a huge deal of it. Next week we won't even remember it.

 

[ArbyMelt]

Heat took to many jumpers and the pace of the game wasn't in their favor. They did exactly what the Mavs needed then to do. I'm not sure why the heat go into jumper mode when up 15+ in the 4th and blow the leads instead of staying aggressive and winning by 35.

Dallas stopped turning the ball over (which is easier to do when you are scoring on almost every possession down the stretch), giving Miami almost no chances at scoring those fast break buckets in the transition game, which they are almost unstoppable at. Miami's half court offense isn't nearly as effective, especially when their jump shots aren't falling.

When Bosh/Haslem can't make 15 foot jumpers, the Miami half-court offense is non-existant. Dallas also struggled in half-court offense in 4th qtr last night as well, their comeback was started by some easy baskets on the break.

 

[Gr00vus]

Excellent breakdown of the Mavs comeback using the same sideline staggered screen set over and over again:

http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/06/03/the-play-that-sparked-dallas-comeback/

This is the only reason why I think the Mavericks can beat the heat -- They have a far superior coach.

The time they ran this play that Dirk hit the three, Haslem had figured it out (they had run it several times already).But Chandler absolutely molested him with what should have been an offensive foul. He looked like Jonathan Ogden out there pushing Haslem back from contesting the three.

I watched the play and it looks like Haselm didn't even try to go around Chandler. He just ran right into him. Not sure what Chandler is supposed to do.

I kinda agree with both of you. There's a foul there somewhere. But there's no way they're calling that at that point in the game.

 

[the moops]

I kinda agree with both of you. There's a foul there somewhere. But there's no way they're calling that at that point in the game.

That's not a foul at all in today's NBA. That is a text book screen.

 

[Gr00vus]

I kinda agree with both of you. There's a foul there somewhere. But there's no way they're calling that at that point in the game.

That's not a foul at all in today's NBA. That is a text book screen.

You need a new text book.

 

[Apple Juice]

I am sorry, but the outrage over LBJ and Wade's celebration when up 15 is laughable. We see that kind of stuff all of the time, but everyone hates the Heat, so it is suddenly the worst thing ever. Give me a break.

Wade having his hands in the air for 5 seconds in front of Mavs bench was tolerable i guess. But that punching chests thing was cockyness to the 99th degree

Agreed. And we see stuff like that all of the time. I don't see how this is much different. Shaq's celebration following his dunk in Game 7 against Portland is considered one of his greatest moments ever, but what if Portland had made an unbelievable comeback to win that game? Would the outrage have been the same? Probably not. So I don't see the big deal here. This just looks bad because Dallas came back and won the game. But teams "prematurely" celebrate all of the time following big shots/moments like that. Had Miami gone on to win the game and then the series in 4 or 5, that moment probably would have been one of the most shown of the finals. And I say this as someone who is rooting hard for the Mavericks.

This.Emotion Down? I don't see any difference between those acts and what you see when a players throws down a huge dunk and lets out that emotional yell. Sometimes people get caught up in the moment.Has anyone mentioned Dirk's "arrogant" holding up of his 3 fingers at the end as he was taunting the crowd? We even got a nice slow motion of it before the commercial break. To me that's as bad as the chest punching, but since Dallas won = not a big deal. Do I have it right?

It depends on how you look at it. It's true there are mini-celebrations after a big play leads to an immediate time-out in almost every playoff game. The differences are: 1. Wade hit the shot and struck a pose practically leaning back on the Dallas bench, 2. Lebron acting goofy with him also took place in front of their bench as the Dallas players were gathering for the time-out, 3. Miami's mini-celebrations are looked at differently considering the over-the-top nature of their existence whether anybody cares to admit it or not. You can look at certain characteristics of it and say it happens all the time but I think it's silly to pretend that it was exactly the same as any other situation leading to a timeout. It wasn't, and what happened afterward doesn't happen very often either.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Todem sounds like JMon circa 2006

yeah this todem is almost unbearableDidnt have to read his post about going to the preseason championship ceremony to know he was there along with all the other bandwagon hoppers

I just noticed...Knicks fan. BTW I am from Brooklyn but moved to South Florida in 72. But my family was from Brooklyn. Now I understand the friction. LOL.It's all good.

Yeah Knicks fan but that has nothing to do with this.Can't wait to see what you have to say when heat lose next game. Mavs played their two worst games of season and still split, that gotta be getting to you

Two worst games of the season?! There were plenty of people picking Portland over them in round 1. Dallas has turned it on since the middle of that series as has Dirk, but at the beginning of these playoffs they were not world beaters. Worst game since the Portland series, yes. Of their season or the playoffs, no.

 

[mr. furley]

do the refs just arbitrarily blow the whistle? or is there a script where they blow the whistle at, say, 11:30 of the 1st quarter then again at 10:58, then 10:34, etc.?

 

[SoBeDad]

So let me get this straight:

1. If LeBron wins, he doesn't deserve any credit because he's supposed to win- who wouldn't win with that much talent?

2. If LeBron loses, he is a choker and not a great player.

Gotcha!

This is the same situation for coach Spo (and Phil Jackson). They said Spo would be a liability against Doc Rivers and then against Thibodeau. Now, lets see how he matches up against Rick Carlisle.

 

[the moops]

I kinda agree with both of you. There's a foul there somewhere. But there's no way they're calling that at that point in the game.

That's not a foul at all in today's NBA. That is a text book screen.

You need a new text book.

Scroll to the bottom for the play

I'm not sure that type of screen is ever called a foul in today's NBA. He stood his ground, with his arms into his own chest. Sure he leaned forward and pushed a bit, but there are worse screens set every 3 seconds in an NBA game that are not called fouls.