*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (2 Viewers)

[Kev4029]

Espn says the spurs are shopping Parker for a lottery pick.

Some reports that the Kings are in talks involving the #7 pick and Omri Casspi. If the Spurs have offered that, Sacramento has to jump all over it.Then again, the Maloofs ownership interest in the Palms has just been cut to 2%. They may not be willing to take on any salary.

The Kings would have to do that, but I'm not sure it is a great fit. Rarely do you see a successful backcourt combination that can't shoot. Still, it would be a huge upgrade to Udrih.

 

[TobiasFunke]

As with all rumors, take this with a grain of salt ... but the rumor that the Wiz will trade the 6 and 18 to move up to 3 or 4 to grab Kanter is gaining momentum. He hasn't exactly been shy about wanting to come to DC and play for the Wizards with Wall, and they could definitely use an interior presence with scoring ability to pair with Javale McGee.

Don't they both play the same position?

For obvious reasons I've never seen Kanter play. But he's listed as a PF/C at most sites, and even though ESPN lists him as a C, Chad Ford's player description describes him as a PF.Based on what I've read it sounds like their games are very different. Kanter is an interior scorer and a physical guy with a decent touch. McGee is a long, lean shotblocker who can jump but isn't exactly Kareem on the offensive end.

 

[saintfool]

I don't disagree with dealing Parker really. (Hill's more than capable) I'd probably want more than a mid-lotto pick for him though.Got to think they really like one of the foreign guys. They do need a low post presence next to the aging Duncan. I still think Blair can be a solid contributor in some fashion. His playoff usage vs. Memphis was just really really bizarre.With the Spurs draft history, hard to disagree with much of what they do.

Blair is an undersized PF in the NBA at 6'7. He was not much going to help against Gasol or Zach. Splitter is the heir-apparent at PF. He was hurt down the stretch last season before getting some time in the playoffs. He is a pretty good defender, especially for someone coming from the Euro leagues. He should get better in Pop's system alongside Timmy. As far as Parker goes, I don't have a problem with him being traded. I was disappointed in his play against Memphis. He had pretty good #'s but didn't have much of an impact. He looked tentative. He is one of the few assets that the Spurs have right now that could be parlayed into something with impact. High lottery pick for a 29 year old PG with something like $40m and 3 years left on this contract? Sounds like a good deal, especially with someone like Hill showing he can handle the workload.

 

[saintfool]

The Kings would have to do that, but I'm not sure it is a great fit. Rarely do you see a successful backcourt combination that can't shoot. Still, it would be a huge upgrade to Udrih.

You've made this claim about Parker before. refresh my memory?

 

[thecatch]

As with all rumors, take this with a grain of salt ... but the rumor that the Wiz will trade the 6 and 18 to move up to 3 or 4 to grab Kanter is gaining momentum. He hasn't exactly been shy about wanting to come to DC and play for the Wizards with Wall, and they could definitely use an interior presence with scoring ability to pair with Javale McGee.

Don't they both play the same position?

For obvious reasons I've never seen Kanter play. But he's listed as a PF/C at most sites, and even though ESPN lists him as a C, Chad Ford's player description describes him as a PF.Based on what I've read it sounds like their games are very different. Kanter is an interior scorer and a physical guy with a decent touch. McGee is a long, lean shotblocker who can jump but isn't exactly Kareem on the offensive end.

I've only seen Kanter described as a 5. I don't think he has the athleticism to guard the 4 in today's game. But, McGee certainly does, so I don't think they'll have any problem playing those two together (outside of the fact that McGee has absolutely 0 basketball IQ, that is).

 

[TobiasFunke]

As with all rumors, take this with a grain of salt ... but the rumor that the Wiz will trade the 6 and 18 to move up to 3 or 4 to grab Kanter is gaining momentum. He hasn't exactly been shy about wanting to come to DC and play for the Wizards with Wall, and they could definitely use an interior presence with scoring ability to pair with Javale McGee.

Don't they both play the same position?

For obvious reasons I've never seen Kanter play. But he's listed as a PF/C at most sites, and even though ESPN lists him as a C, Chad Ford's player description describes him as a PF.Based on what I've read it sounds like their games are very different. Kanter is an interior scorer and a physical guy with a decent touch. McGee is a long, lean shotblocker who can jump but isn't exactly Kareem on the offensive end.

I've only seen Kanter described as a 5. I don't think he has the athleticism to guard the 4 in today's game. But, McGee certainly does, so I don't think they'll have any problem playing those two together (outside of the fact that McGee has absolutely 0 basketball IQ, that is).

Right. No matter who you can call the 4 and who you call the 5, their skill sets are very different, so it is easy to see them sharing the floor. At least based on what's being said about Kanter, since none of us have really seem them play. And of course assuming McGee pulls his head out of his posterior at some point, which is hardly a given.

 

[Kev4029]

The Kings would have to do that, but I'm not sure it is a great fit. Rarely do you see a successful backcourt combination that can't shoot. Still, it would be a huge upgrade to Udrih.

You've made this claim about Parker before. refresh my memory?

I've been a big fan of Parker's, and even got berated after last year when I called him an elite PG who was just down because of injuries. He can't shoot, and I don't think that is a secret, nor is the fact that he would be a huge upgrade over Udrih. I'm not really sure what claim I'm even making about Parker that you are asking me about.

 

[Kev4029]

As with all rumors, take this with a grain of salt ... but the rumor that the Wiz will trade the 6 and 18 to move up to 3 or 4 to grab Kanter is gaining momentum. He hasn't exactly been shy about wanting to come to DC and play for the Wizards with Wall, and they could definitely use an interior presence with scoring ability to pair with Javale McGee.

Don't they both play the same position?

For obvious reasons I've never seen Kanter play. But he's listed as a PF/C at most sites, and even though ESPN lists him as a C, Chad Ford's player description describes him as a PF.Based on what I've read it sounds like their games are very different. Kanter is an interior scorer and a physical guy with a decent touch. McGee is a long, lean shotblocker who can jump but isn't exactly Kareem on the offensive end.

I've only seen Kanter described as a 5. I don't think he has the athleticism to guard the 4 in today's game. But, McGee certainly does, so I don't think they'll have any problem playing those two together (outside of the fact that McGee has absolutely 0 basketball IQ, that is).

Right. No matter who you can call the 4 and who you call the 5, their skill sets are very different, so it is easy to see them sharing the floor. At least based on what's being said about Kanter, since none of us have really seem them play. And of course assuming McGee pulls his head out of his posterior at some point, which is hardly a given.

They have very different skills, but at least on defense I don't think it would work. McGee is a shot blocker who needs to be around the rim, and I'm not sure Kanter can run around with 4s all game.

 

[tommyGunZ]

If the Wiz think Kanter is the real deal, they should move for him and not worry about what it does to McGee. McGee can be a fantasy monster, but in real life he's much better suited coming off the bench as an energy/role guy getting 16-18 mpg.

 

[Abraham]

That would be a great trade for both Cleveland aned Washington, IMO. Having two 7 footers and a dynamic point guard is a good formula. And for Cleveland, they could still get either a 7' guy or a big time defender with the 7 pick. I'm not sold that the dropoff between 4 and 7 is that big and the Cavs need so much help that picking up another 1st rounder would be a nice move.

 

[Bobcat10]

As with all rumors, take this with a grain of salt ... but the rumor that the Wiz will trade the 6 and 18 to move up to 3 or 4 to grab Kanter is gaining momentum. He hasn't exactly been shy about wanting to come to DC and play for the Wizards with Wall, and they could definitely use an interior presence with scoring ability to pair with Javale McGee.

as a Cavs fan I would do that trade for #4. Unfortunately if they do they are supposedly looking at Valanciunas :X . Hopefully Toronto grabs him so he would be off the board.

Sounds like we're certainly interested in ANOTHER 1st round pick...we're offering both our 2nds and cash to get back in, which would interest some teams for sure. So, something like this sounds reasonable. I'd like a guy like Singleton mid/late first over a couple 2nds. But as far as #6 would go, I'd hope Toronto takes him too! Now watch, he'll turn into Dirk.

 

[Abraham]

nbaDRAFT.NET has Houston taking Singelton and Brooks. That seems sort of strange to me. I really like Brooks, but the best player on the team is a 28 YO shooting guard and they can't get Courtney Lee any minutes at the position after trading for him last year. ANd while Singelton is a very nice defender to replace Battier, the 3rd best player on the team is a scoring SF. They have a logjam at forward with Budinger, Scola, Patterson, and Hill.

Houston needs someone over 6'10 that can rebound. Chuck Hayes is the best Center-per-inch-of-height in the league, but this team isn't going to contend anytime soon until they have some help in them middle.

ETA - if the Dontaviustomoato Mountrushmore guy who has a buyout problem slides to them at 14 then its a no brainer to take him. The ROckets have so many young prospects that being able to store one in Europe for a couple seasons would be fine. The Rockets have plenty of cap room and 9 rotation players locked up for next year.

ETA2 - all this goes out the window if Thabeet pans out. I'm not holding my breath, but they may already have the big man they need on the roster.

 

[saintfool]

The Kings would have to do that, but I'm not sure it is a great fit. Rarely do you see a successful backcourt combination that can't shoot. Still, it would be a huge upgrade to Udrih.

You've made this claim about Parker before. refresh my memory?

I've been a big fan of Parker's, and even got berated after last year when I called him an elite PG who was just down because of injuries. He can't shoot, and I don't think that is a secret, nor is the fact that he would be a huge upgrade over Udrih. I'm not really sure what claim I'm even making about Parker that you are asking me about.

He's among the very best shooters in the paint and within 15 ft. Beyond that he's not nearly as good. He would absolutely be an upgrade over Udrih and likely a good fit for a coach like Westphal who seems to like uptempo. He would also bring some leadership to a young team.

 

[Frostillicus]

all this Dwight Hoard talk. What about if Howard was surrounded by a high post guy like David West, a dead-eye shooter like WEs Matthews, a solid PG like Andre Miller, and a high upside SF like Al-Farouq Aminu. I think if the Magic could make that work they'd be in good shape.

If they could get another shooter like Reggie Williams or Marco Belinelli I think they would be winning 3 or 4 championships straight.

And they need a good backup for if Howard hits foul trouble. Ryan Hollins would be perfect.

IMO a stretch 4/5 like Marreese Speights would be much more ideal. Then throw in a nice Australian PG like Pattie Mills.

 

[Abraham]

He would also bring some leadership to a young team.

This is why you do the deal.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

nbaDRAFT.NET has Houston taking Singelton and Brooks. That seems sort of strange to me. I really like Brooks, but the best player on the team is a 28 YO shooting guard and they can't get Courtney Lee any minutes at the position after trading for him last year. ANd while Singelton is a very nice defender to replace Battier, the 3rd best player on the team is a scoring SF. They have a logjam at forward with Budinger, Scola, Patterson, and Hill.

Houston needs someone over 6'10 that can rebound. Chuck Hayes is the best Center-per-inch-of-height in the league, but this team isn't going to contend anytime soon until they have some help in them middle.

ETA - if the Dontaviustomoato Mountrushmore guy who has a buyout problem slides to them at 14 then its a no brainer to take him. The ROckets have so many young prospects that being able to store one in Europe for a couple seasons would be fine. The Rockets have plenty of cap room and 9 rotation players locked up for next year.

ETA2 - all this goes out the window if Thabeet pans out. I'm not holding my breath, but they may already have the big man they need on the roster.

There's the ROCKETSTALK I've been missing.

 

[Kev4029]

The Kings would have to do that, but I'm not sure it is a great fit. Rarely do you see a successful backcourt combination that can't shoot. Still, it would be a huge upgrade to Udrih.

You've made this claim about Parker before. refresh my memory?

I've been a big fan of Parker's, and even got berated after last year when I called him an elite PG who was just down because of injuries. He can't shoot, and I don't think that is a secret, nor is the fact that he would be a huge upgrade over Udrih. I'm not really sure what claim I'm even making about Parker that you are asking me about.

He's among the very best shooters in the paint and within 15 ft. Beyond that he's not nearly as good. He would absolutely be an upgrade over Udrih and likely a good fit for a coach like Westphal who seems to like uptempo. He would also bring some leadership to a young team.

Parker is incredible in the paint, but typically successful backcourts have at least one player who can shoot a jump shot. His ability to hit teardrops from 10 feet doesn't make him a good shooter.

 

[Abraham]

nbaDRAFT.NET has Houston taking Singelton and Brooks. That seems sort of strange to me. I really like Brooks, but the best player on the team is a 28 YO shooting guard and they can't get Courtney Lee any minutes at the position after trading for him last year. ANd while Singelton is a very nice defender to replace Battier, the 3rd best player on the team is a scoring SF. They have a logjam at forward with Budinger, Scola, Patterson, and Hill.

Houston needs someone over 6'10 that can rebound. Chuck Hayes is the best Center-per-inch-of-height in the league, but this team isn't going to contend anytime soon until they have some help in them middle.

ETA - if the Dontaviustomoato Mountrushmore guy who has a buyout problem slides to them at 14 then its a no brainer to take him. The ROckets have so many young prospects that being able to store one in Europe for a couple seasons would be fine. The Rockets have plenty of cap room and 9 rotation players locked up for next year.

ETA2 - all this goes out the window if Thabeet pans out. I'm not holding my breath, but they may already have the big man they need on the roster.

There's the ROCKETSTALK I've been missing.

Oh believe me, I don't think his presence is reason to avoid a big man like USC's center or Bismark or ANYONE who can grab a rebound. I'm fairly sure Thabeet won't be on the roster by Christmas. That said, part of the appeal of bringing in McHale is that he is supposed to be really good with big men. Regardless, even if he does turn in to a serviceable player they STILL need at least two more guys that can rebound.

 

[thecatch]

Marc Stein says the Spurs are trying to unload Jefferson with Parker, and still get into the mid-upper lottery.. That's a much tougher sell.

 

[Village Idiot]

nbaDRAFT.NET has Houston taking Singelton and Brooks. That seems sort of strange to me. I really like Brooks, but the best player on the team is a 28 YO shooting guard and they can't get Courtney Lee any minutes at the position after trading for him last year. ANd while Singelton is a very nice defender to replace Battier, the 3rd best player on the team is a scoring SF. They have a logjam at forward with Budinger, Scola, Patterson, and Hill.

Houston needs someone over 6'10 that can rebound. Chuck Hayes is the best Center-per-inch-of-height in the league, but this team isn't going to contend anytime soon until they have some help in them middle.

ETA - if the Dontaviustomoato Mountrushmore guy who has a buyout problem slides to them at 14 then its a no brainer to take him. The ROckets have so many young prospects that being able to store one in Europe for a couple seasons would be fine. The Rockets have plenty of cap room and 9 rotation players locked up for next year.

ETA2 - all this goes out the window if Thabeet pans out. I'm not holding my breath, but they may already have the big man they need on the roster.

There's the ROCKETSTALK I've been missing.

Thabeet is awful for where he was picked in the draft.

It was purely a case of the Grizzlies owner jumping in and saying take Thabeet.

Oof.

 

[saintfool]

Marc Stein says the Spurs are trying to unload Jefferson with Parker, and still get into the mid-upper lottery.. That's a much tougher sell.

I would put it as damn near impossible.

 

[saintfool]

Parker is incredible in the paint, but typically successful backcourts have at least one player who can shoot a jump shot. His ability to hit teardrops from 10 feet doesn't make him a good shooter.

i'd love to see some metric that can differentiate between a tear drop vs a jumpshot vs a finger roll vs whatever. until that can be produced, all i know is that he's among the best starting PGs shooting within 15 feet.

 

[Frostillicus]

That said, part of the appeal of bringing in McHale is that he is supposed to be really good with big men.

Like Michael Olowokandi, Rasho Nesterovic, Paul Grant, Cherokee Parks, Christian Laettner, Felton Spencer, Luc Longley, and Loren Woods?

 

[Kev4029]

Parker is incredible in the paint, but typically successful backcourts have at least one player who can shoot a jump shot. His ability to hit teardrops from 10 feet doesn't make him a good shooter.

i'd love to see some metric that can differentiate between a tear drop vs a jumpshot vs a finger roll vs whatever. until that can be produced, all i know is that he's among the best starting PGs shooting within 15 feet.

Closest thing I can find.There is no such thing as a 9 foot jumpshot, so I think this pretty much proves he can't shoot. He can score, and gets near the hoop as well as anybody, but he can't shoot.

 

[sihaokills]

Beasley will have some value so the package would be great for the Wolves

 

[5Rings]

 

[Raider Nation]

WHAT???

You mean the T-Wolves would rather have Derrick Williams than 74 year-old Steve Nash?

How insulting is that offer.

 

[the moops]

Beasley will have some value so the package would be great for the Wolves

What package?

 

[Gr00vus]

Saw articles about the Twolves sending the #2 to the Suns for Nash. They all end up with saying it won't happen because Nash would leave after next season, but what if they could get a 3 way going where the Suns get the Twolves #2, the Lakers send Gasol to the Twolves and the Lakers get Love & Nash? Probably not a great deal for the Twolves.

 

[[scooter]]

That said, part of the appeal of bringing in McHale is that he is supposed to be really good with big men.

Like Michael Olowokandi, Rasho Nesterovic, Paul Grant, Cherokee Parks, Christian Laettner, Felton Spencer, Luc Longley, and Loren Woods?

Laettner had his best season in Minnesota after McHale joined the front office. Nesterovic and Parks had career years with McHale.And Spencer and Longley weren't even with the Timberwolves when McHale was there.So, yeah, if you want to blame McHale for failing to resurrect guys who were busts before, during, and after he tutored them (Olowokandi, Grant, Woods)...........ummmm.....touche?

 

[the moops]

Saw articles about the Twolves sending the #2 to the Suns for Nash. They all end up with saying it won't happen because Nash would leave after next season, but what if they could get a 3 way going where the Suns get the Twolves #2, the Lakers send Gasol to the Twolves and the Lakers get Love & Nash? Probably not a great deal for the Twolves.

Good god even David Kahn would laugh at that deal without a second thought.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Saw articles about the Twolves sending the #2 to the Suns for Nash. They all end up with saying it won't happen because Nash would leave after next season, but what if they could get a 3 way going where the Suns get the Twolves #2, the Lakers send Gasol to the Twolves and the Lakers get Love & Nash? Probably not a great deal for the Twolves.

Sounds like a great trade, Jmon.

 

[Card Trader]

Saw articles about the Twolves sending the #2 to the Suns for Nash. They all end up with saying it won't happen because Nash would leave after next season, but what if they could get a 3 way going where the Suns get the Twolves #2, the Lakers send Gasol to the Twolves and the Lakers get Love & Nash? Probably not a great deal for the Twolves.

 

[Gr00vus]

Saw articles about the Twolves sending the #2 to the Suns for Nash. They all end up with saying it won't happen because Nash would leave after next season, but what if they could get a 3 way going where the Suns get the Twolves #2, the Lakers send Gasol to the Twolves and the Lakers get Love & Nash? Probably not a great deal for the Twolves.

Sounds like a great trade, Jmon.

 

[the moops]

Saw articles about the Twolves sending the #2 to the Suns for Nash. They all end up with saying it won't happen because Nash would leave after next season, but what if they could get a 3 way going where the Suns get the Twolves #2, the Lakers send Gasol to the Twolves and the Lakers get Love & Nash? Probably not a great deal for the Twolves.

Sounds like a great trade, Jmon.

You were joking when you wrote that, right?

 

[Abraham]

i THINK THE lakErs are giving up too much in that trade. Gasol for Kevin Love and Steve Nash? No way. They'd need the #2 pick, Dwight Howard, and Chris Paul to consider such a trade.

 

[Gr00vus]

Saw articles about the Twolves sending the #2 to the Suns for Nash. They all end up with saying it won't happen because Nash would leave after next season, but what if they could get a 3 way going where the Suns get the Twolves #2, the Lakers send Gasol to the Twolves and the Lakers get Love & Nash? Probably not a great deal for the Twolves.

Sounds like a great trade, Jmon.

You were joking when you wrote that, right?

Half joking. The TWolves are run so poorly it's not as crazy to think they might do it as it would be with franchises with competent management.

 

[the moops]

Saw articles about the Twolves sending the #2 to the Suns for Nash. They all end up with saying it won't happen because Nash would leave after next season, but what if they could get a 3 way going where the Suns get the Twolves #2, the Lakers send Gasol to the Twolves and the Lakers get Love & Nash? Probably not a great deal for the Twolves.

Sounds like a great trade, Jmon.

You were joking when you wrote that, right?

Half joking. The TWolves are run so poorly it's not as crazy to think they might do it as it would be with franchises with competent management.

There is chatter about just the #2 for Gasol. It is comical to think they would add Love to that to make it happen.

 

[Gr00vus]

Saw articles about the Twolves sending the #2 to the Suns for Nash. They all end up with saying it won't happen because Nash would leave after next season, but what if they could get a 3 way going where the Suns get the Twolves #2, the Lakers send Gasol to the Twolves and the Lakers get Love & Nash? Probably not a great deal for the Twolves.

Sounds like a great trade, Jmon.

You were joking when you wrote that, right?

Half joking. The TWolves are run so poorly it's not as crazy to think they might do it as it would be with franchises with competent management.

There is chatter about just the #2 for Gasol. It is comical to think they would add Love to that to make it happen.

I've seen multiple articles talking about Love and the #2 for Gasol. I didn't write any of them. I think it's all It's just as comical to think the Lakers would deal Gasol for the #2 straight up.

 

[Bogart]

Now that Dirk has his ring, I really would love to see Nash get a real shot at getting one. His loyalty to the Suns is admirable, but there is no way they contend in Phoenix.

 

[sihaokills]

I think the T Wolves should target Bynum. Probably could get him easily

 

[Gr00vus]

I think the T Wolves should target Bynum. Probably could get him easily

Reportedly they did ask for Bynum. The Lakers won't deal him.

 

[the moops]

I've seen multiple articles talking about Love and the #2 for Gasol. I didn't write any of them. I think it's all It's just as comical to think the Lakers would deal Gasol for the #2 straight up.

The only thing I have seen was the Lakers turned down Gasol for the #2. I haven't seen the mention of Love and the #2 anywhere. And the #2 straight up for Gasol is a hell of a lot more close to reality than the #2 and Love for Gasol (at least it is to anyone outside of laker land)

 

[Funkley]

Khan should take Williams and one of the sg's if one falls and go straight to bed happy. But I think he will try to get clever and khan it up.

 

[Raider Nation]

I haven't seen the mention of Love and the #2 anywhere.

People have been talking about it for a week.

 

[the moops]

I haven't seen the mention of Love and the #2 anywhere.

People have been talking about it for a week.

Those are either all message board posts or user comments responding to blog posts about the #2 for Gasol or Bynum.There hasn't been any legitimate talk of it that I know of. Maybe I missed it.

 

[biggamer3]

yeah Love and 2 is absurd. Dont even think Wolves would do Love straight up for 32 year old Pau

 

[Abraham]

yeah Love and 2 is absurd. Dont even think Wolves would do Love straight up for 32 year old Pau

No way they do that. Love is the 2nd best "big man" in the league behind Howard in terms of trade value (in other words, the Wolves would trade him straight up for Howard but not for Gasol or Bynum or Amare or Bosh, etc). He's not going anywhere.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Saw articles about the Twolves sending the #2 to the Suns for Nash. They all end up with saying it won't happen because Nash would leave after next season, but what if they could get a 3 way going where the Suns get the Twolves #2, the Lakers send Gasol to the Twolves and the Lakers get Love & Nash? Probably not a great deal for the Twolves.

Ya think?

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Khan should take Williams and one of the sg's if one falls and go straight to bed happy. But I think he will try to get clever and khan it up.

They should not take Williams unless they've already traded Beasley (they're the same guy). HTH