All those guys left after their second contract with the team except Deron Williams - the Jazz shipped him out of town.
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Pretty much confirmed now. Great deal for Celtics to get him at value following his injury and should provide a versatile scorer who can shoot and put the ball on the floor - rare at the PF position. Will also mean not a lot of money to spend at center - hope this gets addressed soon or we will see a lot of small lineups with Garnett at C and a lot of minutes for Bass.
Owners pay for the Hornets and are against taking on more contracts. Unless the Lakers are willing to pay for the extra millions so they can gut their frontcourt?
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Short Corner
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Mile High
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Yeah there's been lots of parity in the last 30 years2011 Dallas Mavericks 2010 Los Angeles Lakers 2009 Los Angeles Lakers 2008 Boston Celtics 2007 San Antonio Spurs 2006 Miami Heat 2005 San Antonio Spurs 2004 Detroit Pistons 2003 San Antonio Spurs 2002 Los Angeles Lakers 2001 Los Angeles Lakers 2000 Los Angeles Lakers 1999 San Antonio Spurs 1998 Chicago Bulls 1997 Chicago Bulls 1996 Chicago Bulls 1995 Houston Rockets 1994 Houston Rockets 1993 Chicago Bulls 1992 Chicago Bulls 1991 Chicago Bulls 1990 Detroit Pistons 1989 Detroit Pistons 1988 Los Angeles Lakers 1987 Los Angeles Lakers 1986 Boston Celtics 1985 Los Angeles Lakers 1984 Boston Celtics 1983 Philadelphia 76ers 1982 Los Angeles Lakers 1981 Boston Celtics 1980 Los Angeles Lakers
JMon348
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God thats beautiful to look at, thanks for posting.Yeah there's been lots of parity in the last 30 years2011 Dallas Mavericks 2010 Los Angeles Lakers 2009 Los Angeles Lakers 2008 Boston Celtics 2007 San Antonio Spurs 2006 Miami Heat 2005 San Antonio Spurs 2004 Detroit Pistons 2003 San Antonio Spurs 2002 Los Angeles Lakers 2001 Los Angeles Lakers 2000 Los Angeles Lakers 1999 San Antonio Spurs 1998 Chicago Bulls 1997 Chicago Bulls 1996 Chicago Bulls 1995 Houston Rockets 1994 Houston Rockets 1993 Chicago Bulls 1992 Chicago Bulls 1991 Chicago Bulls 1990 Detroit Pistons 1989 Detroit Pistons 1988 Los Angeles Lakers 1987 Los Angeles Lakers 1986 Boston Celtics 1985 Los Angeles Lakers 1984 Boston Celtics 1983 Philadelphia 76ers 1982 Los Angeles Lakers 1981 Boston Celtics 1980 Los Angeles Lakers
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Bobcat10
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You have it in your ####### sig...at least for your team.God thats beautiful to look at, thanks for posting.Yeah there's been lots of parity in the last 30 years2011 Dallas Mavericks 2010 Los Angeles Lakers 2009 Los Angeles Lakers 2008 Boston Celtics 2007 San Antonio Spurs 2006 Miami Heat 2005 San Antonio Spurs 2004 Detroit Pistons 2003 San Antonio Spurs 2002 Los Angeles Lakers 2001 Los Angeles Lakers 2000 Los Angeles Lakers 1999 San Antonio Spurs 1998 Chicago Bulls 1997 Chicago Bulls 1996 Chicago Bulls 1995 Houston Rockets 1994 Houston Rockets 1993 Chicago Bulls 1992 Chicago Bulls 1991 Chicago Bulls 1990 Detroit Pistons 1989 Detroit Pistons 1988 Los Angeles Lakers 1987 Los Angeles Lakers 1986 Boston Celtics 1985 Los Angeles Lakers 1984 Boston Celtics 1983 Philadelphia 76ers 1982 Los Angeles Lakers 1981 Boston Celtics 1980 Los Angeles Lakers
Gr00vus
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Number of different NBA teams that have won a Championship: 18Number of different NFL teams that have won a Superbowl: 18GB the St. Louis Hawks!!!The parity in the NBA is terrible folks, just look at the NFL in comparison.Yeah there's been lots of parity in the last 30 years
Gr00vus
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Did the clips dump Williams and Bledsoe?Billups Amnestied which means the Knicks are on the hook for amares contract.He would be a good fit for the clippers.
Abraham
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Forgot Williams.Did the clips dump Williams and Bledsoe?Billups Amnestied which means the Knicks are on the hook for amares contract.
Max Power
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<_< probably. While an upgrade over Bogans, he doesn't take the team to the next level.
Abraham
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I think rip is a very good upgrade for chicago.
Espn reporting still that the 3 teamer is still being worked on. If the goal is for new Orleans to get younger then maybe scola won't be involved. That would be nice - scola and gasol up front isn't great defensively but it's not bad.
Espn reporting still that the 3 teamer is still being worked on. If the goal is for new Orleans to get younger then maybe scola won't be involved. That would be nice - scola and gasol up front isn't great defensively but it's not bad.
shadyridr
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Billups Amnestied which means the Knicks are on the hook for amares contract.
whats so funny aboit that? u realize how much knick fans love amare? he may be the most universally loved ny athlete since messier. after one season thats pretty amazing
The Flying Elvis
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Paul trade back on according to Marc Stein and Broussard... Say feeling is Hornets get younger and more picks.
Good Posting Judge
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The NBA is the toughest sport of the major four to pull an upset in the playoffs, hence the repeat winners.
General Malaise
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Came in here looking for some discussion on the retirement of Brandon Roy, which is obviously huge news here. Doesn't even get mentioned in here? What kind of NBA thread is this? 
shadyridr
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only five players on a team at one time and only 8-10 play during a game. just the nature of the sport. a superstar in basketball is worth more than any other sport and its not close
the moops
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Read back a few pagesCame in here looking for some discussion on the retirement of Brandon Roy, which is obviously huge news here. Doesn't even get mentioned in here? What kind of NBA thread is this?
Gr00vus
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We covered that about 12 pages ago. Discussion of Oden's next knee misadventure was a couple pages back.Came in here looking for some discussion on the retirement of Brandon Roy, which is obviously huge news here. Doesn't even get mentioned in here? What kind of NBA thread is this?
General Malaise
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oh. went back 4 pages and saw nothing. i'll go back further. major bummer in our house today. easy guy to root for, turned the franchise around, stayed out of trouble and gave us fans a lot of awesome memories. 27 years old. :(Read back a few pagesCame in here looking for some discussion on the retirement of Brandon Roy, which is obviously huge news here. Doesn't even get mentioned in here? What kind of NBA thread is this?
Juxtatarot
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Even though we don't know the particulars, I'll be very surprised if it gets vetoed.
Juxtatarot
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A lot of bad news for Blazer fans yesterday... Roy retired, Oden still injured, and Aldridge with some kind of heart issue.oh. went back 4 pages and saw nothing. i'll go back further. major bummer in our house today. easy guy to root for, turned the franchise around, stayed out of trouble and gave us fans a lot of awesome memories. 27 years old. :(Read back a few pagesCame in here looking for some discussion on the retirement of Brandon Roy, which is obviously huge news here. Doesn't even get mentioned in here? What kind of NBA thread is this?
Juxtatarot
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WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
The structural changes in deal will come between Lakers and Hornets, source says.
42 seconds ago » WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
That should say, 2012 PICK to Hornets (via New York).
2 minutes ago » WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski That should say, 2012 PICK to Hornets (via New York). »
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
In restructured 3 way deal, Houston still sending Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, and 2012 picks to Hornets, sources say.
4 minutes ago
More salary the Lakers way??
The structural changes in deal will come between Lakers and Hornets, source says.
42 seconds ago » WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
That should say, 2012 PICK to Hornets (via New York).
2 minutes ago » WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski That should say, 2012 PICK to Hornets (via New York). »
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
In restructured 3 way deal, Houston still sending Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, and 2012 picks to Hornets, sources say.
4 minutes ago
More salary the Lakers way??
scoobygang
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You want parity, watch the NHL. 9 champs in 11 seasons since 2000. Only two repeat champions in that time frame and no team has more than two. I don't think that parity has helped the league at all. I think it would do much better if Crosby or Ovechkin or someone established a dynasty.
boubucarow
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Exactly, great teams and great rivalries drive ratings. I think people confuse parity with ratings because of the NFL which is so strong for so many reasons that have nothing to do with parity. The NBA explosion occurred because of Magic, Bird, and Jordan and the domination by the few.
Bobcat10
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That's what I mentioned yesterday. Just getting a pick for NO isn't going to make anyone happy. This is about money.Could NO pass them O'Neil this quickly?
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Gr00vus
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I'd be surprised if the Lakers take on more salary. I think Kupchak already has plans for the trade exception the deal would have generated.
Kev4029
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Super sad, but unfortunately it wasn't much of a surprise. The Blazers took a chance with him in the draft because his knees were already an issue and it worked out great for a few years but it eventually caught up to him. Even if he had played for the Blazers this year, he was nothing more than a mediocre rotation guy. I think that Blazers fans got a little too optimistic with his great playoff game last year because that Brandon Roy was long gone.oh. went back 4 pages and saw nothing. i'll go back further. major bummer in our house today. easy guy to root for, turned the franchise around, stayed out of trouble and gave us fans a lot of awesome memories. 27 years old. :(Read back a few pagesCame in here looking for some discussion on the retirement of Brandon Roy, which is obviously huge news here. Doesn't even get mentioned in here? What kind of NBA thread is this?
Abraham
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Billups would fit well in Portland. Or even back in Denver.
I'm interested To see what the rockets final roster looks like. They seen intent on playing Courtney lee a lot more and improving on defense. Scola and Martin were awful defenders. Iirc the rockets have four of the top ten picks from 09 on their roster. Kevin mchale had better spend all of camp teaching THaBEET to box out and block shots.
I'm interested To see what the rockets final roster looks like. They seen intent on playing Courtney lee a lot more and improving on defense. Scola and Martin were awful defenders. Iirc the rockets have four of the top ten picks from 09 on their roster. Kevin mchale had better spend all of camp teaching THaBEET to box out and block shots.
Good Posting Judge
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Dunleavy officially signs with the Bucks. Two years, $75 million dollars total.
Eephus
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Abraham
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That's likely to put them over the cap!
Instinctive
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Take over a team in the one we have. Talk to No. 16
There was talk a few days ago that they were going to set it up so teams could only use it this year. Not sure if that remained the case or not.
Instinctive
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I'm starting to hope that where there is smoke, there might be fire. Every single story about Howard mentions Dallas, though I have no idea how the hell we could make that work...we'd have to send expiring contracts of Kidd and Terry for sure, probably have to amnesty Haywood in order to take back another contract...and there's no way that's enough, even with picks. :sad:
But, every story mentions Dallas. Could be like the Angels sweeping in on Pujols (sort of)
But, every story mentions Dallas. Could be like the Angels sweeping in on Pujols (sort of)
Don't get your hopes up. Stein is reporting a sign and trade in the works with Sacramento for Dalembert.
tommyGunZ
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Yep. That $11M in exceptions will be spent on Hedo.
Voltaire
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Let's see if they still love him when he is sitting on the sidelines in a suit for 60 games a year. I guess the Knicks are pretty sure his knees are going to hold up though.Billups Amnestied which means the Knicks are on the hook for amares contract.
timschochet
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These are really excellent points. To go deeper into GPJ's point, when you consider the fact that in the playoffs you've got a 7 game series in which both teams put up around 100 points a game, upset results are almost impossible. When they do happen (like Dallas beating the Lakers last year) we realize after the fact that it wasn't an upset, that Dallas was actually the better team. We all know in football anything can happen: the New York Giants can play over their heads in one game and beat the undefeated Patriots in the Superbowl. In baseball it's less likely, but if you get a hot pitcher or two and a few batters on a hittling streak you can pull off the upset. Not in the NBA.So when you have a sport that is (a) dominated by a handful of elite players at any given time and (b) where upsets never occur, it's going to be very difficult to have parity. Nonetheless, it seems to me that small market teams have been able to compete for the championship over the last 20 years. Rather than looking at the ultimate winners over that time, let's take a look at the relevant teams over the last 20 years:
90s Suns
90s Trailblazers
90s Bulls
90s Knicks
90s Magic
90s Rockets
90s Jazz
90s Sonics
00's Trailblazers
00's Suns
00's Kings
00's Lakers
00's Spurs
00's Pistons
00's Heat
00's Celtics
00's Cavaliers
00's Magic
00's Thunder
00's Bulls
00's Mavericks
No doubt I'm leaving somebody out. But basically these are the teams over the last 20 years that, thanks to a superstar or two, manage to have runs of a few years or several in which they were contenders for the NBA Championship. If you look at that list, it seems to me that there are as many small market teams as big market teams, if not more.
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timschochet
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You're absolutely right. And, perhaps even more so, 00s Suns.
Good Posting Judge
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Billups has threatened to retire if he's claimed, presumably so he can join Miami.
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