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*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (13 Viewers)

Billy Crystal must be a happy guy these days.

4 official reviews in the last minute and half really slowed that game down. I hope this doesn't become a trend.

 
Dang it. Mavs have been beaten twice now this week in the closing seconds. Two tough losses. I can't decide which one sucks more. Probably this one tonight because the Mavs should have been able to win since the Clippers were without Paul and playing for the third night in a row.

 
Please for the love of god fire Dantoni already. There is no way in gods name can Melo and Amare be shooting a combined 12 for 44 without there being some horrible plays being called with no movement by the players at all. I dont know how he has forgotten how to run a pick'n roll, but its a lost art for the Knicks.

Melo=selfishness. I realized one thing with him, if he misses an easy layup in the 4th the next few possessions he demands the ball and will take an off balance shot no matter if the entire defense collapses on him

 
Dang it. Mavs have been beaten twice now this week in the closing seconds. Two tough losses. I can't decide which one sucks more. Probably this one tonight because the Mavs should have been able to win since the Clippers were without Paul and playing for the third night in a row.
I think this one was tougher. The theory in my apt is that regardless of who knocked that last ball loose, Mo Williams hit it before it landed out of bounds when he fell over and the refs missed it. We sure as hell didn't deserve to beat the Lakers (although they didn't deserve a win either...) but I thought they had this one.
 
Please for the love of god fire Dantoni already. There is no way in gods name can Melo and Amare be shooting a combined 12 for 44 without there being some horrible plays being called with no movement by the players at all. I dont know how he has forgotten how to run a pick'n roll, but its a lost art for the Knicks.Melo=selfishness. I realized one thing with him, if he misses an easy layup in the 4th the next few possessions he demands the ball and will take an off balance shot no matter if the entire defense collapses on him
Firing the coach isn't going to change Melo. He is what he is.
 
Please for the love of god fire Dantoni already. There is no way in gods name can Melo and Amare be shooting a combined 12 for 44 without there being some horrible plays being called with no movement by the players at all. I dont know how he has forgotten how to run a pick'n roll, but its a lost art for the Knicks.Melo=selfishness. I realized one thing with him, if he misses an easy layup in the 4th the next few possessions he demands the ball and will take an off balance shot no matter if the entire defense collapses on him
Firing the coach isn't going to change Melo. He is what he is.
:goodposting: This has nothing to do with the coach but of course every talking head in NY is going to go after him. How is it not obvious that it is a personal issue?
 
How about my Wizards?
a win against the best record in basketball. A step in the right direction.On a side note, I had no idea that Rashard Lewis is the second highest paid player in the NBA :eek:
I'm surprised as well, but for the opposite reason. I thought he was highest paid. I looked it up and see that its Kobe, which isn't surprising I guess.
Please for the love of god fire Dantoni already. There is no way in gods name can Melo and Amare be shooting a combined 12 for 44 without there being some horrible plays being called with no movement by the players at all. I dont know how he has forgotten how to run a pick'n roll, but its a lost art for the Knicks.Melo=selfishness. I realized one thing with him, if he misses an easy layup in the 4th the next few possessions he demands the ball and will take an off balance shot no matter if the entire defense collapses on him
Phil could get him in line.Firing the coach isn't going to change Melo. He is what he is.
:goodposting: This has nothing to do with the coach but of course every talking head in NY is going to go after him. How is it not obvious that it is a personal issue?
 
Please for the love of god fire Dantoni already. There is no way in gods name can Melo and Amare be shooting a combined 12 for 44 without there being some horrible plays being called with no movement by the players at all. I dont know how he has forgotten how to run a pick'n roll, but its a lost art for the Knicks.Melo=selfishness. I realized one thing with him, if he misses an easy layup in the 4th the next few possessions he demands the ball and will take an off balance shot no matter if the entire defense collapses on him
Firing the coach isn't going to change Melo. He is what he is.
:goodposting: This has nothing to do with the coach but of course every talking head in NY is going to go after him. How is it not obvious that it is a personal issue?
D'Antoni is part of the problem, its just over shadowed by the fact that they don't have a guard worth a #### on the roster.
 
Please for the love of god fire Dantoni already. There is no way in gods name can Melo and Amare be shooting a combined 12 for 44 without there being some horrible plays being called with no movement by the players at all. I dont know how he has forgotten how to run a pick'n roll, but its a lost art for the Knicks.Melo=selfishness. I realized one thing with him, if he misses an easy layup in the 4th the next few possessions he demands the ball and will take an off balance shot no matter if the entire defense collapses on him
Firing the coach isn't going to change Melo. He is what he is.
:goodposting: This has nothing to do with the coach but of course every talking head in NY is going to go after him. How is it not obvious that it is a personal issue?
sometimes a change is needed for change sake since its just not working. Amar'e and Melo have been teammates for a nice chunk of games and never have they complimented each others games yet. That has to fall on the coach
 
Please for the love of god fire Dantoni already. There is no way in gods name can Melo and Amare be shooting a combined 12 for 44 without there being some horrible plays being called with no movement by the players at all. I dont know how he has forgotten how to run a pick'n roll, but its a lost art for the Knicks.Melo=selfishness. I realized one thing with him, if he misses an easy layup in the 4th the next few possessions he demands the ball and will take an off balance shot no matter if the entire defense collapses on him
Firing the coach isn't going to change Melo. He is what he is.
:goodposting: This has nothing to do with the coach but of course every talking head in NY is going to go after him. How is it not obvious that it is a personal issue?
sometimes a change is needed for change sake since its just not working. Amar'e and Melo have been teammates for a nice chunk of games and never have they complimented each others games yet. That has to fall on the coach
Really? Pro Basketball players need a coach to know when to run a pick and roll and pass to the open guy? I see more pick and rolls and assists in a pickup Basketball game with people I don't know, then I see in most NBA games.
 
Please for the love of god fire Dantoni already. There is no way in gods name can Melo and Amare be shooting a combined 12 for 44 without there being some horrible plays being called with no movement by the players at all. I dont know how he has forgotten how to run a pick'n roll, but its a lost art for the Knicks.Melo=selfishness. I realized one thing with him, if he misses an easy layup in the 4th the next few possessions he demands the ball and will take an off balance shot no matter if the entire defense collapses on him
Firing the coach isn't going to change Melo. He is what he is.
:goodposting: This has nothing to do with the coach but of course every talking head in NY is going to go after him. How is it not obvious that it is a personal issue?
sometimes a change is needed for change sake since its just not working. Amar'e and Melo have been teammates for a nice chunk of games and never have they complimented each others games yet. That has to fall on the coach
No it doesn't. They've played together for about 50 games. Might seem like a long time to you, but it really isn't, especially when you add in the lockout, shortened training camp and compressed schedule. Wasn't the consensus before the pairing that they would not play well together? I'm pretty sure that was a widely held opinion in this thread and elsewhere.
 
Please for the love of god fire Dantoni already. There is no way in gods name can Melo and Amare be shooting a combined 12 for 44 without there being some horrible plays being called with no movement by the players at all. I dont know how he has forgotten how to run a pick'n roll, but its a lost art for the Knicks.Melo=selfishness. I realized one thing with him, if he misses an easy layup in the 4th the next few possessions he demands the ball and will take an off balance shot no matter if the entire defense collapses on him
Firing the coach isn't going to change Melo. He is what he is.
:goodposting: This has nothing to do with the coach but of course every talking head in NY is going to go after him. How is it not obvious that it is a personal issue?
D'Antoni is part of the problem, its just over shadowed by the fact that they don't have a guard worth a #### on the roster.
I'm not trying to say that he is a great coach, although he did run one of the historically best offenses in the history of the league for about 5 years (yes, Nash was a big reason for it).Another coach might get a little more out of the Knicks but not enough to make a difference. When you have two boneheads leading the team, the coach means very little.
 
Looks like someone has Kobe-itis.

Already without Dwyane Wade, the Miami Heat could be without LeBron James for Thursday night's game against the Los Angeles Lakers.James was sent home from the Heat's morning shootaround with flulike symptoms. Heat coach Erik Spoelstra said James will be a game-time decision."He didn't feel good last night," Spolestra said. "That bug has been going around."
Is anyone surprised?
 
Can I get an update from all of the geniuses who thought the Thunder would trade Westbrook?
Yes, he had a very nice stat line in his loss to the Wizards.
I'm not really sure what that is supposed to mean. He signed an extension today. A lot of people in this thread and elsewhere were just certain that he was going to be moved.
 
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For some bizarre reason, I'm all in on this awful team. Last night would have been a blip for most teams, but to me it felt like a huge payoff. They were getting so much hate that they've become incredibly sympathetic, even though I was doing some hating myself. Wall's starting to look great. Vesely doesn't look like a wasted lottery pick. Crawford, Booker and especially Singleton are gonna be great once they can be role players instead of starters or guys getting major minutes (Crawford is all over the place but I'm starting to think he's a semi-decent bench spark kinda guy). They're gonna suck this year and probably into next year, but at least I can see the light way, way off and the end of a very long tunnel.
 
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For some bizarre reason, I'm all in on this awful team. Last night would have been a blip for most teams, but to me it felt like a huge payoff. They were getting so much hate that they've become incredibly sympathetic, even though I was doing some hating myself. Wall's starting to look great. Vesely doesn't look like a wasted lottery pick. Crawford, Booker and especially Singleton are gonna be great once they can be role players instead of starters or guys getting major minutes (Crawford is all over the place but I'm starting to think he's a semi-decent bench spark kinda guy). They're gonna suck this year and probably into next year, but at least I can see the light way, way off and the end of a very long tunnel.
woah. That must have been an intoxicating win last night (I didn't watch).Have the Advil handy - Denver is going to lay the wood tonight.

 
Please for the love of god fire Dantoni already. There is no way in gods name can Melo and Amare be shooting a combined 12 for 44 without there being some horrible plays being called with no movement by the players at all. I dont know how he has forgotten how to run a pick'n roll, but its a lost art for the Knicks.Melo=selfishness. I realized one thing with him, if he misses an easy layup in the 4th the next few possessions he demands the ball and will take an off balance shot no matter if the entire defense collapses on him
Firing the coach isn't going to change Melo. He is what he is.
:goodposting: This has nothing to do with the coach but of course every talking head in NY is going to go after him. How is it not obvious that it is a personal issue?
Nuggs fans continuing to say :P
 
For some bizarre reason, I'm all in on this awful team. Last night would have been a blip for most teams, but to me it felt like a huge payoff. They were getting so much hate that they've become incredibly sympathetic, even though I was doing some hating myself. Wall's starting to look great. Vesely doesn't look like a wasted lottery pick. Crawford, Booker and especially Singleton are gonna be great once they can be role players instead of starters or guys getting major minutes (Crawford is all over the place but I'm starting to think he's a semi-decent bench spark kinda guy). They're gonna suck this year and probably into next year, but at least I can see the light way, way off and the end of a very long tunnel.
woah. That must have been an intoxicating win last night (I didn't watch).Have the Advil handy - Denver is going to lay the wood tonight.
I think it's tomorrow. And I'm also a huge UNC fan and Lawson was my all-time favorite, so that'll make it easier to take. Last night's surprise was definitely nice, but it's also two straight games where Wall has looked like the guy we thought we were getting when we lucked into the #1 pick in 2010. Long long long way to go, but there's pretty much zero chance we get there without him. So this is really the first indication I've seen that he could be the guy.

 
For some bizarre reason, I'm all in on this awful team. Last night would have been a blip for most teams, but to me it felt like a huge payoff. They were getting so much hate that they've become incredibly sympathetic, even though I was doing some hating myself. Wall's starting to look great. Vesely doesn't look like a wasted lottery pick. Crawford, Booker and especially Singleton are gonna be great once they can be role players instead of starters or guys getting major minutes (Crawford is all over the place but I'm starting to think he's a semi-decent bench spark kinda guy). They're gonna suck this year and probably into next year, but at least I can see the light way, way off and the end of a very long tunnel.
woah. That must have been an intoxicating win last night (I didn't watch).Have the Advil handy - Denver is going to lay the wood tonight.
I think it's tomorrow. And I'm also a huge UNC fan and Lawson was my all-time favorite, so that'll make it easier to take. Last night's surprise was definitely nice, but it's also two straight games where Wall has looked like the guy we thought we were getting when we lucked into the #1 pick in 2010. Long long long way to go, but there's pretty much zero chance we get there without him. So this is really the first indication I've seen that he could be the guy.
I'm a fan of Lawson and Wall as well. Should be a great matchup.
 
Not sure if I saw it right last night, but did Michael Wilbon have Clippers, Nuggets, Spurs, Thunder and Jazz as top in the west during the halftime show? They lost Camby for a few games but think the Blazers should be in there.

 
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Maybe Westbrook will be easier to trade now that he signed an extension. :scared:
I'd think I'd rather have Lowry than Westbrook. I certainly wouldn't trade Lowry plus anything significant for Westbrook. Lowry is pretty much the perfect PG, he has elevated his game so much this year.
 
Can I get an update from all of the geniuses who thought the Thunder would trade Westbrook?
Would != Should
I'm aware of the difference between those two words. The following is from Sea Duck on 12/29...
Westbrook's days in OKC are numbered. He'll be gone before the trade deadline.
Which one of would/should do you think applies there? I'm referring to posts like that moreso than the whole Rondo/Westbrook debate that developed.
 
Can I get an update from all of the geniuses who thought the Thunder would trade Westbrook?
Would != Should
I'm aware of the difference between those two words. The following is from Sea Duck on 12/29...
Westbrook's days in OKC are numbered. He'll be gone before the trade deadline.
Which one of would/should do you think applies there? I'm referring to posts like that moreso than the whole Rondo/Westbrook debate that developed.
Ah. I didn't think anyone outright said he would be traded. Quite a few thought he should be though.
 
'Cliff Clavin said:
'Moe. said:
'Cliff Clavin said:
'Moe. said:
Can I get an update from all of the geniuses who thought the Thunder would trade Westbrook?
Would != Should
I'm aware of the difference between those two words. The following is from Sea Duck on 12/29...
Westbrook's days in OKC are numbered. He'll be gone before the trade deadline.
Which one of would/should do you think applies there? I'm referring to posts like that moreso than the whole Rondo/Westbrook debate that developed.
Ah. I didn't think anyone outright said he would be traded. Quite a few thought he should be though.
Yeah. I get the allure of wanting to have a more traditional PG for this team but I don't think it really fits. They really lack scoring in the starting lineup outside Durant/Westbrook so if you brought someone like Rondo in you'd have to start Harden, which totally negates the effectiveness of Sefolosha and forces Harden to go up against the other team's first unit. Part of what makes Harden so great is that he can completely take over the game at the end of the first quarter/beginning of the second when he's going up against bench players. Hopefully they are still able to get Harden locked up long-term when the time comes.
 
'Cliff Clavin said:
'Moe. said:
'Cliff Clavin said:
'Moe. said:
Can I get an update from all of the geniuses who thought the Thunder would trade Westbrook?
Would != Should
I'm aware of the difference between those two words. The following is from Sea Duck on 12/29...
Westbrook's days in OKC are numbered. He'll be gone before the trade deadline.
Which one of would/should do you think applies there? I'm referring to posts like that moreso than the whole Rondo/Westbrook debate that developed.
Ah. I didn't think anyone outright said he would be traded. Quite a few thought he should be though.
Yeah. I get the allure of wanting to have a more traditional PG for this team but I don't think it really fits. They really lack scoring in the starting lineup outside Durant/Westbrook so if you brought someone like Rondo in you'd have to start Harden, which totally negates the effectiveness of Sefolosha and forces Harden to go up against the other team's first unit. Part of what makes Harden so great is that he can completely take over the game at the end of the first quarter/beginning of the second when he's going up against bench players. Hopefully they are still able to get Harden locked up long-term when the time comes.
I would say that Rondo would be a benefit to their starting lineup. Look at the one common player: Kendrick Perkins. His minutes are approximately the same with both teams but in OKC, he is getting about 2-3 shots less per game, shooting at a lower %, getting to the line less, rebounding less... I could go on, but suffice it to say that his numbers are worse across the board. How much of this can we attribute to Westy vs Rondo? I'm going to guess a fair bit but haven't watched enough OKC games to know for sure. Rondo probably got Perkins a couple more easy looks per game. Maybe he'd have the same effect on guys like Thabo and Ibaka so that they'd be able to keep Harden coming off the bench.
 
'Cliff Clavin said:
'Moe. said:
'Cliff Clavin said:
'Moe. said:
Can I get an update from all of the geniuses who thought the Thunder would trade Westbrook?
Would != Should
I'm aware of the difference between those two words. The following is from Sea Duck on 12/29...
Westbrook's days in OKC are numbered. He'll be gone before the trade deadline.
Which one of would/should do you think applies there? I'm referring to posts like that moreso than the whole Rondo/Westbrook debate that developed.
Ah. I didn't think anyone outright said he would be traded. Quite a few thought he should be though.
Yeah. I get the allure of wanting to have a more traditional PG for this team but I don't think it really fits. They really lack scoring in the starting lineup outside Durant/Westbrook so if you brought someone like Rondo in you'd have to start Harden, which totally negates the effectiveness of Sefolosha and forces Harden to go up against the other team's first unit. Part of what makes Harden so great is that he can completely take over the game at the end of the first quarter/beginning of the second when he's going up against bench players. Hopefully they are still able to get Harden locked up long-term when the time comes.
I would say that Rondo would be a benefit to their starting lineup. Look at the one common player: Kendrick Perkins. His minutes are approximately the same with both teams but in OKC, he is getting about 2-3 shots less per game, shooting at a lower %, getting to the line less, rebounding less... I could go on, but suffice it to say that his numbers are worse across the board. How much of this can we attribute to Westy vs Rondo? I'm going to guess a fair bit but haven't watched enough OKC games to know for sure. Rondo probably got Perkins a couple more easy looks per game. Maybe he'd have the same effect on guys like Thabo and Ibaka so that they'd be able to keep Harden coming off the bench.
You can't forget the Celtics had offensive threats at every position between Rondo and Perkins. Thabo and Ibaka are not going to get the attention of defenses like Allen and KG. Perkins was in a much better position to be forgotten on the offensive end in Boston. Rondo's lesser ability to score in comparison to Westbrook could not be hidden quite as well in OKC.
 
In reality, Westbrook's play in the first 40 minutes of the game are not the problem. Him being a 25-7 guy is okay for this team. The problem was his decisions in crunch time last spring. He simply needs to find the balance between his advantages and Durant's advantages on the offensive end late and get the ball where it needs to be.

 
Ouch! Knicks a losing team with Melo

It’s not complicated.

Since the celebrated Carmelo Anthony trade 11 months ago, the New York Knicks have won 20 regular-season games and lost 21.

That doesn’t sound so great, but it gets worse:

The Knicks also lost four straight in the playoffs, winning none.

The Knicks didn’t get Chris Paul. Many fans and observers believed getting Melo put the Knicks closer to obtaining CP3, who is known to have wanted to play in New York. (Remember the famous wedding toast.) But by maxing out Melo, the Knicks made that nearly impossible. Now CP3 is a Clipper until 2013 and probably beyond.

The Nuggets are winning: They’re 26-12 since shipping out Melo, much better than the 32-25 record they posted with him last season.

The Knicks are 16th in Marc Stein’s Power Rankings, and ranked 20th in the NBA according to John Hollinger; the Nuggets are 8th for Stein, 11th for Hollinger.

The Knicks have a losing record and negative scoring margin this season despite having played the third-easiest schedule in the league.

The Knicks are ranked 22nd in offensive efficiency, even though Melo and Tyson Chandler are posting easily the highest PERs of their respective careers.

The Knicks would be seeded No. 8 in the East if the playoffs started today, and would play the top-seeded Bulls.

The Knicks don’t own their first-round draft pick in 2012 or 2014, and might have to swap 2016 first-round picks with Denver.

Danilo Gallinari, a rising young star the Knicks traded away along with five other players and three draft picks to get Melo, was a local favorite, and he criticized the trade last week, telling the New York Daily News, “I thought we were having a really good season [last year]. … People were having fun coming to see the games. … We had a positive record, the excitement was there.”

Maybe it gets better from here. Maybe they solves the chemistry issues. Maybe Baron Davis is the savior.

But facts are facts: The Carmelo Anthony Knicks aren’t very good.
I believe there are quite a few of us who deserves pats on the back. Melo is NOT a superstar. He's a Joe Johnson/Paul Pierce type All*Star. Not even in the same stratosphere as LBJ and Wade.
:goodposting: You're not winning anything with Melo.
LBJ hands are filled with rings right?
 
'Cliff Clavin said:
'Moe. said:
'Cliff Clavin said:
'Moe. said:
Can I get an update from all of the geniuses who thought the Thunder would trade Westbrook?
Would != Should
I'm aware of the difference between those two words. The following is from Sea Duck on 12/29...
Westbrook's days in OKC are numbered. He'll be gone before the trade deadline.
Which one of would/should do you think applies there? I'm referring to posts like that moreso than the whole Rondo/Westbrook debate that developed.
Ah. I didn't think anyone outright said he would be traded. Quite a few thought he should be though.
Yeah. I get the allure of wanting to have a more traditional PG for this team but I don't think it really fits. They really lack scoring in the starting lineup outside Durant/Westbrook so if you brought someone like Rondo in you'd have to start Harden, which totally negates the effectiveness of Sefolosha and forces Harden to go up against the other team's first unit. Part of what makes Harden so great is that he can completely take over the game at the end of the first quarter/beginning of the second when he's going up against bench players. Hopefully they are still able to get Harden locked up long-term when the time comes.
I would say that Rondo would be a benefit to their starting lineup. Look at the one common player: Kendrick Perkins. His minutes are approximately the same with both teams but in OKC, he is getting about 2-3 shots less per game, shooting at a lower %, getting to the line less, rebounding less... I could go on, but suffice it to say that his numbers are worse across the board. How much of this can we attribute to Westy vs Rondo? I'm going to guess a fair bit but haven't watched enough OKC games to know for sure. Rondo probably got Perkins a couple more easy looks per game. Maybe he'd have the same effect on guys like Thabo and Ibaka so that they'd be able to keep Harden coming off the bench.
Or more likely, Perkins blows now. His knee injury screwed him up good, hes not anywhere near the player he was prior to the injury.ETA: The big knock on Westbrook is he takes too many shots... the four guys he starts with are Thabo who can't score, Ibaka who doesn't score, Perkins who can't score and Durant who might be the worst big time scorer ever off ball. Rondo isn't improving the team around him at all, and the difference in scoring output between Westbrook and Rondo would kill them.
 
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