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LOL at D-Wade complaining about Pacers celebrating when this guy was part of a parade celebrating the addition of Lebron and Bosh stating they would win multiple championships. Guy turned into total ##### ever since he paired up with Bron. Bosh is the only one who handles himself well.

 
The gulf widens when you consider that Griffen gets close to two more assisted buckets/game than Howard. Conversely, DH's presence in the post actually creates open looks for his teammates (see Ryan Andersen.)
you want to get into a discussion of the systems of two teams now? it's an unnecessary distraction, imo.
:lmao:Stick to checkers son. Let the men play chess.
pretty stinky bait there, chief.
Go ahead and explain how it is a distraction then Chachi. If you don't think CP3 dropping you two extra dimes a game doesn't effect your efficiency, there's not much hope for you.
 
Gotta love the NBA double standard Wade blatantly pushes Collison in the back right before a layup knocking him down mad because he didnt get a call on the other end and ends up with flagarant 1 foul. If it was WP or Ebanks or any other bench player automatic ejection and potential suspension i.e. Jason Smith foul on Blake Griffin in regular season
I like Wade but that was ####ed up.
Oh come on. Wade was pissed that he didn't get the call at the other end and that was his response. He was acting like a little kid who didn't get his way.
 
Kobe explains why he's only taken one charge in the last two seasons

Well, that and all the time he spends on defense standing next to the spot-up shooter on the weakside wing/corner.
Color me shocked that our friend Ferris had nothing to say about the Heat's failures down the stretch last night, but jumped at the opportunity to take a shot at Kobe for his comments to the media during the Lakers off day.
I didn't see the game. Those 7PM ET weeknight tips are tough for me to catch.Eyeballing the boxscore... it looks like MIA missed Bosh a ton because they got killed on the glass (50-40 IND). No one was converting kickouts into treys (1-for-16 3PT). LeBron had 10 points, 6 boards, and 3 steals in the fourth but no one on the team scored in the last 2:41. Ouch.

Maybe LeBron wore down from playing so much PF. Maybe he just sucks. If you're going to dismiss playoff heroics in early rounds of previous seasons, then I suppose it's far game to dismiss playoff failures in comparable rounds now. But hey, that's not how you roll.

I did see the video of Wade's flagrant. In the regular season, he most likely gets ejected plus a one-game suspension.

Overall, the guy who seems to have gotten a free pass for subpar performance is Wade. Most of the chatter in this thread and in national sports media has been about LeBron's missed FTs and not being the center of the last two possessions. However, Wade was 0-for-4 in the last two minutes. He committed a flagrant foul in the 4th quarter of a winnable game. His jump shot has been brutal the entire postseason (12-for-49).

It's easy to blame the loss on the lack of execution in the last two minutes, but MIA's real problem was being down 9 after three quarters. Only two of their best three players dressed for the game, and no one else showed up.

Some teams aren't designed to counter small lineups. IND is. They've got a bunch of 6'8" 210-230# guys who can play 2-3 positions, so they aren't fazed by LeBron playing big minutes at PF.

With Bosh, this was a 5-game series at the longest. Without Bosh? Grab a Snickers. Cuz this series isn't going anywhere for a while.
Bingo. Confirmation bias is pretty much synonymous with Laker fandom and LeBron hating at this point.

 
Kobe explains why he's only taken one charge in the last two seasons

Well, that and all the time he spends on defense standing next to the spot-up shooter on the weakside wing/corner.
Color me shocked that our friend Ferris had nothing to say about the Heat's failures down the stretch last night, but jumped at the opportunity to take a shot at Kobe for his comments to the media during the Lakers off day.
I didn't see the game. Those 7PM ET weeknight tips are tough for me to catch.Eyeballing the boxscore... it looks like MIA missed Bosh a ton because they got killed on the glass (50-40 IND). No one was converting kickouts into treys (1-for-16 3PT). LeBron had 10 points, 6 boards, and 3 steals in the fourth but no one on the team scored in the last 2:41. Ouch.

Maybe LeBron wore down from playing so much PF. Maybe he just sucks. If you're going to dismiss playoff heroics in early rounds of previous seasons, then I suppose it's far game to dismiss playoff failures in comparable rounds now. But hey, that's not how you roll.

I did see the video of Wade's flagrant. In the regular season, he most likely gets ejected plus a one-game suspension.

Overall, the guy who seems to have gotten a free pass for subpar performance is Wade. Most of the chatter in this thread and in national sports media has been about LeBron's missed FTs and not being the center of the last two possessions. However, Wade was 0-for-4 in the last two minutes. He committed a flagrant foul in the 4th quarter of a winnable game. His jump shot has been brutal the entire postseason (12-for-49).

It's easy to blame the loss on the lack of execution in the last two minutes, but MIA's real problem was being down 9 after three quarters. Only two of their best three players dressed for the game, and no one else showed up.

Some teams aren't designed to counter small lineups. IND is. They've got a bunch of 6'8" 210-230# guys who can play 2-3 positions, so they aren't fazed by LeBron playing big minutes at PF.

With Bosh, this was a 5-game series at the longest. Without Bosh? Grab a Snickers. Cuz this series isn't going anywhere for a while.
I agree that Wade was as big, if not a bigger culprit last night, which is why I specifically said "Heat failures".As Legler pointed out this morning, LeBron had the ball twice on the 2nd to last possession, and moved the ball quickly w/o probing or attacking. And of course we know on the last possession, he was a decoy, and not even involved in the play.

No one thinks LeBron sucks. Even his biggest detractors agree that he is an all time great. His lack of aggression is what is confusing.

 
Bingo. Confirmation bias is pretty much synonymous with Laker fandom and LeBron hating at this point.
Great point. This whole LeBron not being aggressive in game deciding offensive possessions in a complete work of fiction. George Karl, who this morning suggested he would want LeBron to be more aggressive in those situations, is obviously a Laker fan and LeBron hater.
 
What seems lost in this is that Spoelstra called two plays that essentially took LeBron out of the game. This was less a case that LeBron wasn't aggressive and more that his coach doesn't think he is the best option to create baskets late in games.

 
The gulf widens when you consider that Griffen gets close to two more assisted buckets/game than Howard. Conversely, DH's presence in the post actually creates open looks for his teammates (see Ryan Andersen.)
you want to get into a discussion of the systems of two teams now? it's an unnecessary distraction, imo.
:lmao:Stick to checkers son. Let the men play chess.
pretty stinky bait there, chief.
Go ahead and explain how it is a distraction then Chachi. If you don't think CP3 dropping you two extra dimes a game doesn't effect your efficiency, there's not much hope for you.
How do you get upset over a basketball conversation? Trying to insult someone for having a different opinion on a couple basketball players? :thumbdown: Do you guys actually have ego tied to this stuff?Relax. For some perspective, remember this is an NBA thread on a fantasy football message board. :pics: eta - same for the Kobe/LeBron haters.
 
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Bingo. Confirmation bias is pretty much synonymous with Laker fandom and LeBron hating at this point.
Great point. This whole LeBron not being aggressive in game deciding offensive possessions in a complete work of fiction. George Karl, who this morning suggested he would want LeBron to be more aggressive in those situations, is obviously a Laker fan and LeBron hater.
George Karl commented on the most recent game/the future. You, Groovus and others comment on the player's legacy. Totally different. Of course I could also point out that George Karl has never won an NBA championship, so I'm not sure why you think his opinion has value considering the criteria you generally apply.You cannot dismiss his earlier playoff heroics because they came in early rounds of the playoffs and simultaneously question his lack of heroics in those same playoff rounds. End of story.If you want to question his lack of assertiveness in close playoff games since he joined the Heat, fine. Seems like a very small data sample from which to draw any sort of conclusion, but whatever floats your boat. But that's not what I've been hearing and reading from you and your ifriends. You're questioning the man, not his role with the Heat. Maybe you just need to be clearer with your criticism.
 
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Gotta love the NBA double standard Wade blatantly pushes Collison in the back right before a layup knocking him down mad because he didnt get a call on the other end and ends up with flagarant 1 foul. If it was WP or Ebanks or any other bench player automatic ejection and potential suspension i.e. Jason Smith foul on Blake Griffin in regular season
I like Wade but that was ####ed up.
:lmao: Ok. Collison ran straight down the court to the hoop. It's EXACTLY like Jason Smith on Griffin, only Wade's use of the elbow to Collison's neck should be considered an even bigger intent to injure.
 
Oh, and Larry Bird adds to his legend by becoming the only guy to win an MVP, Coach of the Year and Executive of the Year.

Suck in that Michael Jordan and Isaiah Thomas.

 
The gulf widens when you consider that Griffen gets close to two more assisted buckets/game than Howard. Conversely, DH's presence in the post actually creates open looks for his teammates (see Ryan Andersen.)
you want to get into a discussion of the systems of two teams now? it's an unnecessary distraction, imo.
:lmao:Stick to checkers son. Let the men play chess.
pretty stinky bait there, chief.
Go ahead and explain how it is a distraction then Chachi. If you don't think CP3 dropping you two extra dimes a game doesn't effect your efficiency, there's not much hope for you.
How do you get upset over a basketball conversation? Trying to insult someone for having a different opinion on a couple basketball players? :thumbdown: Do you guys actually have ego tied to this stuff?Relax. For some perspective, remember this is an NBA thread on a fantasy football message board. :pics: eta - same for the Kobe/LeBron haters.
I am a little short fused lately due to getting up at/staying up til 4am to watch games. Sorry.
 
I think this Heat team w/o Bosh is worse than the last couple of Cleveland teams LeBron got to the playoffs.
Who would win a series of 3-on-3 games to 21 by 2s and 3s, with mandatory subs after made baskets?The "other three" starters for MIA last night and top sub: Ronny Turiaf, Udonis Haslem, Mario Chalmers and Shane Battiervs The 3-6 guys for CLE in the 2009 postseason as they were in 2009: Mo Williams, Delonte West, Anderson Varejao, and Joe Smith (1)And for a bonus hypothetical, how would your winner fare against the "other three" starters for LAL in the 2003 WCS and top sub as they were in 2003: Derek Fisher, Robert Horry, Devean George, and Brian Shaw?-----(1) You know what was tough here? Coming up with the 2nd-best player for CLE in the 2009 playoffs. It's a bigger pile of mediocrity than an Olive Garden menu. Delonte West led the team in minutes, Mo Williams was the second-leading scorer, Anderson Varejao had the second-best WS48, and Zydrunas Ilgauskas had the second-highest PER. A starting five of Mo, West, backup SF Wally Szczerbiak, Varejao, and Z wouldn't have gotten out of the first round if they had made the playoffs at all.
I'd take the '09 Clev guys over both the Heat guys from last night, and the '03 Laker guys.
 
Gotta love the NBA double standard Wade blatantly pushes Collison in the back right before a layup knocking him down mad because he didnt get a call on the other end and ends up with flagarant 1 foul. If it was WP or Ebanks or any other bench player automatic ejection and potential suspension i.e. Jason Smith foul on Blake Griffin in regular season
I like Wade but that was ####ed up.
Um no. Try watching the video again. It's not easy to just stop when Wade was probably running twice as fast as Collison was, and then Collison tried to angle him off. I'm not saying he wasn't deserving of the flagrant. But it's not the same as Smith who sized up and hit Griffin.
 
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I think this Heat team w/o Bosh is worse than the last couple of Cleveland teams LeBron got to the playoffs.
Who would win a series of 3-on-3 games to 21 by 2s and 3s, with mandatory subs after made baskets?The "other three" starters for MIA last night and top sub: Ronny Turiaf, Udonis Haslem, Mario Chalmers and Shane Battiervs The 3-6 guys for CLE in the 2009 postseason as they were in 2009: Mo Williams, Delonte West, Anderson Varejao, and Joe Smith (1)And for a bonus hypothetical, how would your winner fare against the "other three" starters for LAL in the 2003 WCS and top sub as they were in 2003: Derek Fisher, Robert Horry, Devean George, and Brian Shaw?-----(1) You know what was tough here? Coming up with the 2nd-best player for CLE in the 2009 playoffs. It's a bigger pile of mediocrity than an Olive Garden menu. Delonte West led the team in minutes, Mo Williams was the second-leading scorer, Anderson Varejao had the second-best WS48, and Zydrunas Ilgauskas had the second-highest PER. A starting five of Mo, West, backup SF Wally Szczerbiak, Varejao, and Z wouldn't have gotten out of the first round if they had made the playoffs at all.
I might have gone with Gibson, Wally or Hickson over Joe Smith.Cle - Williams and Varejao are the most legitimate starters of any of the players you've listed.LA/Mia - I'd slightly favor the Lakers here, but it's pretty much a toss up IMOETA: This exercise does point out the silliness of my initial statement when you consider the Heat have Wade. He might be able to go one on three against any of those "squads" and win.
 
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Spurs fan here.

Not having seen much of the Clippers during the season, I was very impressed with Deandre Jordan last night. He was a beast in the 1Q.

Also, I love Ferris Bueller's NBA posts. Thanks to all for an entertaining thread.

 
Spurs fan here.Not having seen much of the Clippers during the season, I was very impressed with Deandre Jordan last night. He was a beast in the 1Q.Also, I love Ferris Bueller's NBA posts. Thanks to all for an entertaining thread.
No love for Eric Bledsoe's breakout game last night? That was my big takeaway from the Clippers last night.Feris is a great read even when he's wrong, which is often.
 
Not having seen much of the Clippers during the season, I was very impressed with Deandre Jordan last night. He was a beast in the 1Q.
He owed the Clips big after his virtual no-show in round 1. I think the reality is somewhere between last night and last series, but he should give the Clips something vs. the Spurs.
 
If you still think Chris Broussard has NBA credibility, read his piece this afternoon re: A Thunder win means Durant is NBA's best. Just awful, awful analysis.

Guy is terrible.

 

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