tommyGunZ
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Yet another area where our opinions diverge. To you, missed shots are bad basketball plays. I have no problem with missed shots. My beef is with careless TOs. Those two TOs were unacceptable.
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dickey moe
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timschochet
Footballguy
He is who he is. We need to forget this and move on. Kobe will redeem himself Friday night.sadly, a
And if he can't do it then, he'll redeem himself next year. He's still got some great years left in him; there are more NBA Championships to come for Kobe Bryant.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
There aren't many more shots left, and getting to face Boston or Indy in the finals is going to be about as easy a road as Kobe ever sees again. This was a historic, devastating defeat.He is who he is. We need to forget this and move on. Kobe will redeem himself Friday night.sadly, a
timschochet
Footballguy
Yes Kobe and the Lakers deserve criticism. But great credit also goes to the Thunder. They played excellent defense all throughout the game, but especially in the last 2 minutes. They made clutch baskets when they had to. Championship teams are often able to steal victories when they play mediocre, and the Thunder did that tonight. The Lakers have had their share of victories like tonight's. Thunder fans will remember this game for years to come, especially if they win the title this year (and I think they will).
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
The Lakers are just another good team now, guys. It happens. 
timschochet
Footballguy
IMO it wasn't, because I believe there's no way we're beating this team 4 times anyway. A win tonight would have made this series more interesting, but I don't believe it would have changed the outcome. The matchups just suck for the Lakers. They played incredible defense tonight, holding the Thunder to what they did. I don't see how they can keep that up. No, tonight's loss is terrible, but there's no point in dwelling too much about it. The Lakers need to make offseason adjustments to compete with Oklahoma City.There aren't many more shots left, and getting to face Boston or Indy in the finals is going to be about as easy a road as Kobe ever sees again. This was a historic, devastating defeat.He is who he is. We need to forget this and move on. Kobe will redeem himself Friday night.sadly, a
timschochet
Footballguy
You're right and it does; it happened to the Spurs a few years back. But they managed to keep their core AND make adjustments, and now they're back in the running for another ring. Somehow that's what the Lakers have to do. They have an advantage that few teams have: stars want to play for them. It's up to Mitch and Jim to figure this out.The Lakers are just another good team now, guys. It happens.
timschochet
Footballguy
When the Lakers lose this series, the man to blame is not Kobe, not Gasol, not Brown, not Bynum-
It's David Stern.
David Stern screwed the Lakers. They made a perfectly legitimate trade. If it had been approved, I believe the Lakers would be better than the Thunder- I think with a big three of Kobe, Paul, and Bynum they would be the best team in the NBA. But Stern vetoed the trade because certain owners were jealous of the Lakers.
It's David Stern.
David Stern screwed the Lakers. They made a perfectly legitimate trade. If it had been approved, I believe the Lakers would be better than the Thunder- I think with a big three of Kobe, Paul, and Bynum they would be the best team in the NBA. But Stern vetoed the trade because certain owners were jealous of the Lakers.
Abraham
Footballguy
Eh...no. Lithe alpha dog in San Antonio is the coach. The star player is a quiet giant that leads by example and never hangs his teammates out to dry. The two secondary stars are similarly quiet and work hard.You're right and it does; it happened to the Spurs a few years back. But they managed to keep their core AND make adjustments, and now they're back in the running for another ring. Somehow that's what the Lakers have to do. They have an advantage that few teams have: stars want to play for them. It's up to Mitch and Jim to figure this out.The Lakers are just another good team now, guys. It happens.
Beerguzzler
Footballguy
No problem at all with Blake taking the wide open shot. My problem is with them actually being in that position after being up by 7 with 2 minutes to go. The turnovers leading to the easy buckets with zero time being taken off the clock was just devastating. Then they go away from the game plan and don't move the ball inside deciding to settle for awful jumpers by Kobe.
Series is over, not gonna take 4 out of 5 from OKC.
Series is over, not gonna take 4 out of 5 from OKC.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
They also make better personnel decisions, overall. Even when they lay a stinker like that Jefferson contract, they find a way to wiggle out of it.The Lakers had the major advantage of spending a ####-ton of money when it was a lot cheaper to do so. No longer.Eh...no. Lithe alpha dog in San Antonio is the coach. The star player is a quiet giant that leads by example and never hangs his teammates out to dry. The two secondary stars are similarly quiet and work hard.You're right and it does; it happened to the Spurs a few years back. But they managed to keep their core AND make adjustments, and now they're back in the running for another ring. Somehow that's what the Lakers have to do. They have an advantage that few teams have: stars want to play for them. It's up to Mitch and Jim to figure this out.The Lakers are just another good team now, guys. It happens.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
A W tonight, and this series would have been almost a coin flip. I think I'm going to go throw up now.IMO it wasn't, because I believe there's no way we're beating this team 4 times anyway. A win tonight would have made this series more interesting, but I don't believe it would have changed the outcome. The matchups just suck for the Lakers. They played incredible defense tonight, holding the Thunder to what they did. I don't see how they can keep that up. No, tonight's loss is terrible, but there's no point in dwelling too much about it. The Lakers need to make offseason adjustments to compete with Oklahoma City.There aren't many more shots left, and getting to face Boston or Indy in the finals is going to be about as easy a road as Kobe ever sees again. This was a historic, devastating defeat.He is who he is. We need to forget this and move on. Kobe will redeem himself Friday night.sadly, a
Britney Spears
guest speaker
He's not really an ideal spot up shooter.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
One last thing. Kobe's body language after Blake's missed 3 is inexcusable. We all know he's a petulant #######, but that is complete horse####. No one threw a temper tandrem when Kobe carelessly turned the rock over twice in the span of ~ 15 seconds.
Go #### yourself Kobe Bryant. ####### #####.
Go #### yourself Kobe Bryant. ####### #####.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
HE'S THE ULTIMATE COMPETITOR TONYGUNZ, YOU CAN'T JUST TURN THAT ON AND OFF.
Britney Spears
guest speaker
Are you OK?
Britney Spears
guest speaker
Both looked like great looks to me. shurgWho do you want taking your last second shot.. Blake or Chalmers?
Britney Spears
guest speaker
The worst play he made tonight was the chucking up an impossible three with 6 seconds left, up by a point. Terrible clock management, compounded by him running the clock down at the end after they gave up the lead.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Quoting for the fun of it. He reacted the same way after Durant's go-ahead basket. But he always acts like a child like that. This is nothing new.
Yeah they did - to a 6 seed.
Britney Spears
guest speaker
Charles just stole my joke. Are there only strange looking white people in Oklahoma?
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Very early over-reaction, obviously. The Lakers looked terrible for the 1st half of the 1st quarter. 2 24 sec. violations in the first 5 minutes. Were getting shots blocked when they actually could get a shot up.Obviously, things changed shortly after that post.Tough break for the Lakers. Feels like they really needed that game.Totally agree here. Throwing a game away at 16-12? 10-6?4 point game?
Britney Spears
guest speaker
Did the one two years ago not count?
Go Kings?
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Christ almighty...
Premier
Footballguy
They sure did.
JMon348
Footballguy
'Good said:The Lakers are just another good team now, guys. It happens.
I hate to throw dirt on my team, but let's face it, the better team is up 2-0, and deserves to win the series. We showed the heart of a champion last night, but a very tired Kobe played a terrible 2 minute stretch to close out the game.Can't really get mad at this, even if the Lakers won last night, I didn't see 3 more wins vs this team. They are just better. We had our time, its their time right now.This doesn't mean we need to tear up the team. The Spurs should be our role model, haven't won a title in 5 years, yet they have kept their big 3 together and are now back right in the title hunt. If they decide to trade and rebuild around Kobe, hopefully it will work, but I prefer to build around Kobe, Pau, and Drew.
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STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
This isn't really shocking news. Gasol is a girl, Bynum is a petulant child, and the Thunder are a lot younger, faster, and can simply outrun the old Lakers. The Lakers small chance of winning this was all but erased when they let the Denver series drag out to 7.
We can cry about the Chris Paul trade all we like but it isn't going to help now. I really thought the Ramon Sessions trade was going to be of more help, but I guess he's been exposed.
My first and last thought this season.... Why is Mike Brown our coach again?
We can cry about the Chris Paul trade all we like but it isn't going to help now. I really thought the Ramon Sessions trade was going to be of more help, but I guess he's been exposed.
My first and last thought this season.... Why is Mike Brown our coach again?
John Bender
Footballguy
'timschochet said:
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Yeah, keep thinking that guy.'timschochet said:
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
What a meltdown.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
How dare the de facto owner of the New Orleans franchise reject a trade offer for the team's best player and then subsequently accept a better trade offer for the same player! Outrageous!
matuski
Footballguy
Agreed, but I think I'd rather go down with a James/Wade/Bryant "tough" shot than watch these guys miss wide open. Not like anyone thought for a second either of those shots were going in. eta - yes, even if all of these guys had missed 5 in a row prior.'Britney Spears said:Both looked like great looks to me. shurg'matuski said:Who do you want taking your last second shot.. Blake or Chalmers?
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TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Yeah, Chalmers has never hit a big shot in his life. No way that guy's gonna come through in a big moment.Agreed, but I think I'd rather go down with a James/Wade/Bryant "tough" shot than watch these guys miss wide open. Not like anyone thought for a second either of those shots were going in. eta - yes, even if all of these guys had missed 5 in a row prior.'Britney Spears said:Both looked like great looks to me. shurg'matuski said:Who do you want taking your last second shot.. Blake or Chalmers?
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Seriously? You'd rather a hero shot than a wide open 3 from an above average 3 point shooter? The best thing Kobe did last night was not take a contested shot at the buzzer.Agreed, but I think I'd rather go down with a James/Wade/Bryant "tough" shot than watch these guys miss wide open. Not like anyone thought for a second either of those shots were going in. eta - yes, even if all of these guys had missed 5 in a row prior.'Britney Spears said:Both looked like great looks to me. shurg'matuski said:Who do you want taking your last second shot.. Blake or Chalmers?
Todem
Footballguy
Great posting.
Yeah but he took all the shots.....unlike Lebron.
Sheesh. People are insane. Lebron is a monster.
Heat win tonight and quiet the peanut gallary.
And Bosh will return for the Conference finals.
The Lakers blew that game last night. Flat out blew it. Just like Wade blew a layup and Lebron missed two critical free throws.
All anyone ever focuses on with the Heat is Lebron and why he can't do this or that or why did he not take the last shot, why why why why. It is exhausting listening to sports media today. it is totally out of hand and just plain yellow half the time.
Do I want Lebron or Wade taking that last shot....you bet. I always want one of them taking the last shot. I would not mind Bosh taking a critical shot either as he has a great mid range jumper too. But nobody talks about how pathetic the Heats bench was the other night. 5 points was the next highest scorer for the Heat after Lebron and Wade......yet they still only lost by a measly bucket.
Again the Heat goes into Indiana tonight and takes care of business. I highly doubt Chalmers, Miller, or Battier have the same games they did like Tuesday.
Crazy talk this morning. I was hearing Mike and Mike ( I know I know they are an abomination of a show) talking about how Blake was wide open and it was a great look...and they had no problem with it. Yet when it comes to the Heat....Lebron faded again at the end, blah blah blah blah.
Whatever.
The Lakers though......wow. That was a meltdown. By Kobe especially. He really had a huge hand in that loss. Where is the massive media outporing? I guess you do get a pass when you have the rings.
Hurry up Lebron.....get one....get two...get three and shut everyone up.......please!
Signed
Heat fan est 1988.
Anyway.....I love this time of year....nothing like an NBA playoff game on every night. It's such a great time of the year!
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Seriously? You'd rather a hero shot than a wide open 3 from an above average 3 point shooter?Agreed, but I think I'd rather go down with a James/Wade/Bryant "tough" shot than watch these guys miss wide open. Not like anyone thought for a second either of those shots were going in. eta - yes, even if all of these guys had missed 5 in a row prior.'Britney Spears said:Both looked like great looks to me. shurg'matuski said:Who do you want taking your last second shot.. Blake or Chalmers?
It obviously depends on the specific situation. But for Blake to get a open shot when your team is inbounding with 5 seconds left is one I would take.
the moops
Footballguy
This is dumb
Pick
Footballguy
the moops
Footballguy
Steve Blake makes that shot at a much higher rate than hero going 1 on 3.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
FIFYEven the guys who normally defend hero ball around here do so under the assumption that the defense has tightened up in the final possession so nobody will get a clean look so you might as well let the hero try to create a makeable shot. The idea that a contested shot by a star is better than a wide open look from virtually any player in the NBA is complete madness.Seriously? You'd rather a hero shot than a wide open 3 from an above average 3 point shooter?Agreed, but I think I'd rather go down with a James/Wade/Bryant "tough" shot than watch these guys miss wide open. Not like anyone thought for a second either of those shots were going in.'Britney Spears said:Both looked like great looks to me. shurg'matuski said:Who do you want taking your last second shot.. Blake or Chalmers?
eta - yes, even if all of these guys had missed 5 in a row prior.
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