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'Ghost Rider said:
'tommyGunZ said:
'Ghost Rider said:
I agree with your analysis, Ferris. Colin Cowherd also picked Miami this morning and I agreed with most of what he said. Yes, OKC looks to be the better team right now, and has home court, but I just get the feeling that Miami is gonna find a way to win it. Like Cowherd said, they have experience, number of superstars and sense of urgency on their side right now. OKC should win, but I just can't shake the feeling that Miami will win.
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Really?
'Ghost Rider said:
Just wait till the Heat lose the Finals and the usual suspects dog him for not winning a ring again, even though OKC is the favorite and quite clearly the better team heading into the Finals.

But just think if the Heat win...
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:lmao:
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What are you laughing at? There is nothing unreasonable about what I said. OKC has been the better team throughout the playoffs, which is what I said, but I just have a feeling the Heat will find a way to win. Burn me at the stake for that, I guess.

Or I could be like you and post with an underlying agenda.
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I find it funny that you believe that OKC is "clearly" the better team, yet are now picking the Heat. But when I suggested yesterday that the teams were more evenly matched than folks like you were suggesting, you suggested that I had to have ulterior motives.
 
'tommyGunZ said:
I find it funny that you believe that OKC is "clearly" the better team, yet are now picking the Heat. But when I suggested yesterday that the teams were more evenly matched than folks like you were suggesting, you suggested that I had to have ulterior motives.
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You do. You want to be able to bash James for losing another Finals despite having the best team, if the Thunder beat the Heat. That is blatantly obvious. Besides, if I did change my mind (which I really didn't), is that a crime? Or are you like Skip Bayless and cling to the same belief forever no matter what?Also, saying I went from saying OKC is clearly the better team to now picking the Heat is a general way of putting it. I said I have a nagging feeling that the Heat are gonna find a way to win it, and to expand on that, that will be despite OKC having home court and being better overall on paper (from top to bottom).
 
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Hollinger suggests that the Heat and Thunder are "as evenly matched a contest" as you'll see.Digging deeper:

But focusing on that overlooks just how dominant Miami has been when fully intact, both in the regular season and in the playoffs. Here's a stat to drive my point home: The Heat have six double-digit wins in the seven playoff games that Bosh played at least 20 minutes. The Thunder have four the entire postseason.As I said, it's close, and a lot of things could tip the balance. But if you want to know why I'm picking Miami in seven, this is why. With their best players on the court, they've simply been better. As long as they can keep those players in uniform and out of the infirmary, I think they'll prevail in what promises to be the first chapter of an epic rivalry.
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Flies in the face of OKC "clearly" being the better team. Perhaps Hollinger has ulterior motives as well.
 
'tommyGunZ said:
Hollinger suggests that the Heat and Thunder are "as evenly matched a contest" as you'll see.Digging deeper:

But focusing on that overlooks just how dominant Miami has been when fully intact, both in the regular season and in the playoffs. Here's a stat to drive my point home: The Heat have six double-digit wins in the seven playoff games that Bosh played at least 20 minutes. The Thunder have four the entire postseason.As I said, it's close, and a lot of things could tip the balance. But if you want to know why I'm picking Miami in seven, this is why. With their best players on the court, they've simply been better. As long as they can keep those players in uniform and out of the infirmary, I think they'll prevail in what promises to be the first chapter of an epic rivalry.
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Flies in the face of OKC "clearly" being the better team. Perhaps Hollinger has ulterior motives as well.
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Double-digit wins in the playoffs? OKC had a tougher road than Miami.
 
'Cliff Clavin said:
OKC in 5. Don't see the Heat stealing one in OKC unless LeBron and Wade both have a great games. OKC wins 1,2,4,5.
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errr... forgot about the ridiculous 2-3-2 format. OKC in 6. Winning 1, 2, 4, 6.ETA: And I'm really torn on who I want to win. Should I drop a timscochet'esq running dialogue on how I flip/flop back and forth until I make up my mind? Nah...
 
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'tommyGunZ said:
Hollinger suggests that the Heat and Thunder are "as evenly matched a contest" as you'll see.Digging deeper:

But focusing on that overlooks just how dominant Miami has been when fully intact, both in the regular season and in the playoffs. Here's a stat to drive my point home: The Heat have six double-digit wins in the seven playoff games that Bosh played at least 20 minutes. The Thunder have four the entire postseason.As I said, it's close, and a lot of things could tip the balance. But if you want to know why I'm picking Miami in seven, this is why. With their best players on the court, they've simply been better. As long as they can keep those players in uniform and out of the infirmary, I think they'll prevail in what promises to be the first chapter of an epic rivalry.
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Flies in the face of OKC "clearly" being the better team. Perhaps Hollinger has ulterior motives as well.
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I kind of agree with Hollinger that this looks pretty even to me. But like I said a few minutes ago, people who likely know more than both of us about who will win a given game or series (as compared to which team is "better") really like the Thunder. -155 is a pretty strong statement.
 
Ferris, I always appreciate your analysis but I really disagree about game 1. If there is a single game in this series that OKC is most likely to win, it's game 1, because Miami will need a game to adjust to the faster speed of the Thunder. For this reason, although I anticipate a very competitive series, I see the first game as a blowout or at least a comfortable win for OKC.

 
'timschochet said:
Ferris, I always appreciate your analysis but I really disagree about game 1. If there is a single game in this series that OKC is most likely to win, it's game 1, because Miami will need a game to adjust to the faster speed of the Thunder. For this reason, although I anticipate a very competitive series, I see the first game as a blowout or at least a comfortable win for OKC.
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Wanna give me the Heat and 4.5?I don't welsh!
 
'thecatch said:
I like Miami in 7. I'll never root for a clay Bennett owned team so I'll be a reluctant Heat fan for the next couple of weeks.
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I originally was assuming I'd be pulling for the Thunder, but then someone made an interesting point- the only thing that separates what LeBron did to Cleveland and what Bennett did to Seattle is that Cleveland still has a basketball team. Really does seem like LeBron has grown up a lot in the last year or so too- IMO he's not even the most unlikeable guy in Miami's starting 5 any more.
 
The way I see this series going down (I am a Miami fan since their inception, but that is not important)

In the 2 3 2 format, Miami has to win one of the first 2. I think game 2 is likely that game (if it happens), but my gut tells me game 1 is a blowout win for OKC and then Miami regroups and wins a close one game 2. The only way Miami wins game 1 is with one of those "close with 4 minutes left" and then Miami goes on one of their defensive surges.

Miami will likely not win 3 straight at home, so assuming a game 2 win, miami will be up 3-2 going back to OKC. That would seem like a "heat in 7" type of series.

If miami does not win one of the first 2 games, I see it going back to OKC with OKC at 3-2 and they win in 6.

Westbrook is the key to a Miami victory. We need him to be an erratic turnover machine in 2 or 3 games. If he plays within himself and doesn't start jacking up bad shots or bad turnovers, I do not see how we overcome OKCs bench and length. (Basically I think it is westbrook vs wade. Whichever guard has the better series, their team wins the championship)

 
'TobiasFunke said:
'thecatch said:
I like Miami in 7. I'll never root for a clay Bennett owned team so I'll be a reluctant Heat fan for the next couple of weeks.
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I originally was assuming I'd be pulling for the Thunder, but then someone made an interesting point- the only thing that separates what LeBron did to Cleveland and what Bennett did to Seattle is that Cleveland still has a basketball team. Really does seem like LeBron has grown up a lot in the last year or so too- IMO he's not even the most unlikeable guy in Miami's starting 5 any more.
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That's a terrible analogy. Bennett bought the team under false pretenses and pulled the long con. And the SBUX guy is just as much to blame as Bennett. LeBron exercised his free agent rights, albeit in a very untasteful manner. As far as LeBron growing up a lot in the past year, you should definitely read that Windhorst piece that was posted on espn over the weekend if you haven't already.
 
'Good said:
'timschochet said:
Ferris, I always appreciate your analysis but I really disagree about game 1. If there is a single game in this series that OKC is most likely to win, it's game 1, because Miami will need a game to adjust to the faster speed of the Thunder. For this reason, although I anticipate a very competitive series, I see the first game as a blowout or at least a comfortable win for OKC.
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Wanna give me the Heat and 4.5?I don't welsh!
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Wait. Is this just for game 1? If so, yes. I'll bet you $50.
 
'timschochet said:
'Good said:
'timschochet said:
Ferris, I always appreciate your analysis but I really disagree about game 1. If there is a single game in this series that OKC is most likely to win, it's game 1, because Miami will need a game to adjust to the faster speed of the Thunder. For this reason, although I anticipate a very competitive series, I see the first game as a blowout or at least a comfortable win for OKC.
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Wanna give me the Heat and 4.5?I don't welsh!
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Wait. Is this just for game 1? If so, yes. I'll bet you $50.
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Yes, just game 1. Yr on.
 
Regarding the "Decision", and all the crap LeBron has received for the last two years, it's important to note that he donated $2.5 million dollars as a result of that show to the Boys and Girls Club of America, and this went towards badly needed repairs in many cities, especially Cleveland.

And that's only a small part of all the money LeBron has either donated or raised over the years for the Boys and Girls Club, as my 11 year old daughter, (who is heavily involved in our local theater program there) frequently reminds me- she got it from the regional director. Yes, I know that a lot of athletes are involved in good causes, but they don't have to be. LeBron deserves credit for being a good guy.

 
'Good said:
'timschochet said:
'Good said:
'timschochet said:
Ferris, I always appreciate your analysis but I really disagree about game 1. If there is a single game in this series that OKC is most likely to win, it's game 1, because Miami will need a game to adjust to the faster speed of the Thunder. For this reason, although I anticipate a very competitive series, I see the first game as a blowout or at least a comfortable win for OKC.
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Wanna give me the Heat and 4.5?I don't welsh!
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Wait. Is this just for game 1? If so, yes. I'll bet you $50.
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Yes, just game 1. Yr on.
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Great. What is Vegas giving? Just curious.
 
Dammit, I haven't wagered anything of significance on a sporting event in quite awhile. With these odds, I'm tempted to put a few hungy on the Heat.

But that would mean I'd be pulling for the Heat. Ugh.

 
'timschochet said:
'Good said:
'timschochet said:
Ferris, I always appreciate your analysis but I really disagree about game 1. If there is a single game in this series that OKC is most likely to win, it's game 1, because Miami will need a game to adjust to the faster speed of the Thunder. For this reason, although I anticipate a very competitive series, I see the first game as a blowout or at least a comfortable win for OKC.
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Wanna give me the Heat and 4.5?I don't welsh!
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Wait. Is this just for game 1? If so, yes. I'll bet you $50.
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Current line is 5.
 
'Ferris Bueller Fan said:
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
Dream Team special wednesday at 9pm. Dvr is set.
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Does the Dream Team invites Laettner to the reunions? Do they have a closed, unlisted Facebook group so Laettner doesn't find out about them?I will donate $$$ to the Magic Johnson Foundation if one of the voiceovers or talking heads includes a quote along the line of, "Team USA's 12-man roster was made up of the greatest players America has ever produced. And Christian Laettner."
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I feel like Sir Charles has said this.
 
I changed my prediction.

Heat in 6 (not 7)

The Heat take one game in the first two.

Then come home and take 2 of three and finish the Thunder off in game 6.

It will be extremely tough, but I just have a lot of confidence they are laser focused to pull this off. And what I am loving is most of the major outlets, sports writers etc are picking the Thunder.

Brilliant. The Heat are the underdogs.

 
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'Todem said:
I changed my prediction.Heat in 6 (not 7)The Heat take one game in the first two.Then come home and take 2 of three and finish the Thunder off in game 6.It will be extremely tough, but I just have a lot of confidence they are laser focused to pull this off. And what I am loving is most of the major outlets, sports writers etc are picking the Thunder.Brilliant. The Heat are the underdogs.
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I think this is what I think as well.
 
'Moe. said:
'TobiasFunke said:
'thecatch said:
I like Miami in 7. I'll never root for a clay Bennett owned team so I'll be a reluctant Heat fan for the next couple of weeks.
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I originally was assuming I'd be pulling for the Thunder, but then someone made an interesting point- the only thing that separates what LeBron did to Cleveland and what Bennett did to Seattle is that Cleveland still has a basketball team. Really does seem like LeBron has grown up a lot in the last year or so too- IMO he's not even the most unlikeable guy in Miami's starting 5 any more.
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That's a terrible analogy. Bennett bought the team under false pretenses and pulled the long con. And the SBUX guy is just as much to blame as Bennett. LeBron exercised his free agent rights, albeit in a very untasteful manner. As far as LeBron growing up a lot in the past year, you should definitely read that Windhorst piece that was posted on espn over the weekend if you haven't already.
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:shrug: Obviously they're not the same, but screwing over a fan base is screwing over a fan base. Just don't want to see sports fans take a forgive-and-forget attitude when it comes to what Bennett (and yes, Schultz and Stern and other accomplices) did to Seattle.

I get how awesome this must be for the region, though. I grew up with three pro sports teams in my hometown and still felt slighted that we didn't have baseball, and have been over the moon since it arrived. To grow up with no pro teams anywhere in the area and then get one and have it succeed has to be awesome. People who talk about long-suffering fan bases forget that it's even suckier to not even have a local team at all.

I read the Windhorst thing. There is also a column in the Washington Post this AM that's even more glowing- which is something in a place that was the pre-Decision capital of LeBron hatred.

 
'TobiasFunke said:
'Moe. said:
'TobiasFunke said:
'thecatch said:
I like Miami in 7. I'll never root for a clay Bennett owned team so I'll be a reluctant Heat fan for the next couple of weeks.
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I originally was assuming I'd be pulling for the Thunder, but then someone made an interesting point- the only thing that separates what LeBron did to Cleveland and what Bennett did to Seattle is that Cleveland still has a basketball team. Really does seem like LeBron has grown up a lot in the last year or so too- IMO he's not even the most unlikeable guy in Miami's starting 5 any more.
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That's a terrible analogy. Bennett bought the team under false pretenses and pulled the long con. And the SBUX guy is just as much to blame as Bennett. LeBron exercised his free agent rights, albeit in a very untasteful manner. As far as LeBron growing up a lot in the past year, you should definitely read that Windhorst piece that was posted on espn over the weekend if you haven't already.
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:shrug: Obviously they're not the same, but screwing over a fan base is screwing over a fan base. Just don't want to see sports fans take a forgive-and-forget attitude when it comes to what Bennett (and yes, Schultz and Stern and other accomplices) did to Seattle.

I get how awesome this must be for the region, though. I grew up with three pro sports teams in my hometown and still felt slighted that we didn't have baseball, and have been over the moon since it arrived. To grow up with no pro teams anywhere in the area and then get one and have it succeed has to be awesome. People who talk about long-suffering fan bases forget that it's even suckier to not even have a local team at all.

I read the Windhorst thing. There is also a column in the Washington Post this AM that's even more glowing- which is something in a place that was the pre-Decision capital of LeBron hatred.
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I hear you Tobias. Growing up in South Florida we had no NBA, MLB or NHL for a long time. In 1988 we got NBA basketball and I have been a die hard Heat fan since day one. In 1993 we finally got a Baseball team (my first love is baseball) and I have been a Marlins fan ever since (was and still am tied to my Yankees...I was raised a Yankee fan born in Brooklyn), and we also added the Panthers.

Not having those three sports through my childhood stunk. I had to root and latch on to out of town teams.

Before the Heat I was a rabid Lakers fan as I loved Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Cooper, Scott, and coach Riley.

Before the Panthers I would root for the NY Rangers and they were awful for a long time while the Islanders were the toast of the NHL.

Not having the teams is worse than having losing teams.

And trust me we have a lot of fair weathered, band wagon fans in South Florida. It's disgusting and an embarrasment to be quite honest. I can't stand our fan base. Most are ignorant, unknowlegable and down right offensive in their arrogance.

 
Mkg can be the second best player on a contender for sure. He would be a good piece for any team in the top 5.

Beal over drummond in Cleveland? Leaves Drummond for Sacramento. Drummond and boogie next to each other doesn't exactly scream success to me.

 
'Abraham said:
Mkg can be the second best player on a contender for sure. He would be a good piece for any team in the top 5.

Beal over drummond in Cleveland? Leaves Drummond for Sacramento. Drummond and boogie next to each other doesn't exactly scream success to me.
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Boogie?If it doesn't scream success, why would Sacramento be obligated to take him?

 
'Todem said:
'PlasmaDogPlasma said:
Harrison Barnes' name comes up an awful lot around here (Cavs' territory)
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That kid is tearing it up on 2K11. I am in year three of my Association and the Pistons drafted him....kid can ball. At least in the virtual world LOL.
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I tend to be down on him just because he had a poor tournament this year, but maybe I'm overemphasizing that. Losing Marshall had to be a big adjustment.
 
I think Jordan takes Barnes at 2 overall. Just strikes me as a player that nba folks are higher on than fans. Barnes can be a top2 player on a contender. Not sure I think the same for Robinson.

 
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