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*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (4 Viewers)

I say this all the time in the college threads, never had to say it here:

None of us have any idea what makes these kids tick. None of us know their family/financial situation or what they enjoy or what their life is like in school or the NBA or what they want to do with their lives. How can you pass judgment on their career decisions one way or another without knowing that stuff? It's kinda arrogant, to be honest.
From a personal standpoint sure, it's probably not fair to criticize. But from a purely basketball standpoint I think it's fair to say this is dumb. More than likely he's costing himself a few million and a more than a few spots in the draft. If he's fine with that then whatever, certainly that's his right. Who knows, maybe he'll drastically under the expert tutelage of the brilliant Travis Ford (lol) and he'll actually improve his draft position.
More than likely he's costing himself more than a few spots? That's a bit much, no? I'd say it's possible he's costing himself a few spots. He's probably not #1 this year and there's no reason he shouldn't be Top 5 in 2014. The only real risk is his health, and as Noel has shown even that isn't a significant risk. We're not talking about a big man whose 2013 draft spot is based entirely on raw talent and potential. Smart's skills are already evident, another year of exposure isn't gonna expose him the way it did, say, McAdoo.
Seems to me that the risk usually outweighs the rewards at this point w/re to additional tape. Another year shooting the basketball this poorly will likely lower his ceiling in many scouts eyes. It's easy to overlook his jumper after 1 season and think he'll improve it once he gets a bit older and puts in more work. Two years of poor shooting on tape and he starts turning into a Tony Allen type prospect - still a valuable piece but not someone who you roll the dice on with a top 5-10 pick in a loaded draft.

Ferris makes solid points as well - Smart may improve his game and thus be a better overall player and wind up as a better fit in 2014. But from a risk analysis standpoint, if you were advising Smart, I think you'd be borderline negligent not advising him to turn pro now.
Oh, sure. They can't have agents, but if I was his "advisor" or whatever you need to be for NCAA purposes, I would certainly advise him to turn pro. No hesitation at all. I'd even say that if I was his coach, although unfortunately most college coaches don't think that way (lookin' at you, Izzo).

I just don't think we can say he's "stupid" for having different priorities. All we can do is talk money and NBA career, we have no idea what value he places on anything else in his life.

 
I say this all the time in the college threads, never had to say it here:

None of us have any idea what makes these kids tick. None of us know their family/financial situation or what they enjoy or what their life is like in school or the NBA or what they want to do with their lives. How can you pass judgment on their career decisions one way or another without knowing that stuff? It's kinda arrogant, to be honest.
From a personal standpoint sure, it's probably not fair to criticize. But from a purely basketball standpoint I think it's fair to say this is dumb. More than likely he's costing himself a few million and a more than a few spots in the draft. If he's fine with that then whatever, certainly that's his right. Who knows, maybe he'll drastically under the expert tutelage of the brilliant Travis Ford (lol) and he'll actually improve his draft position.
More than likely he's costing himself more than a few spots? That's a bit much, no? I'd say it's possible he's costing himself a few spots. He's probably not #1 this year and there's no reason he shouldn't be Top 5 in 2014. The only real risk is his health, and as Noel has shown even that isn't a significant risk. We're not talking about a big man whose 2013 draft spot is based entirely on raw talent and potential. Smart's skills are already evident, another year of exposure isn't gonna expose him the way it did, say, McAdoo.
I'm no expert but Ford is convinced there are a few lottery teams that would take him #1 this year. I don't think there's any chance he goes #1 next season, and top 5 is far from certain given all of the variables. You make some good points, and Ferris does too. There's a lot going on. I guess the only thing we can definitively say is that going back to school will reduce his first NBA contract. Beyond that we'll just have to wait and see.
Count me as being stunned. Just yesterday I was posting about the possibilities of Smart going to Orlando as he would seem to be a much better fit than Noel. I don't think it's far fetched at all to surmise that he's going from a decent shot at #1 overall to likely falling out of the top 5.

Dropping from 1 this year to 6 next year would cost him ~ 7.5M in the first 4 years of his NBA deal, and that doesn't even contemplate the fact that he's essentially playing for free in 2013-2014 instead of making ~ 4M and getting to FAgency a year earlier.

 
Stupid move for someone in discussion with the #1 pick and rated #1 at his position.

You go back for another year if you're mid-first round, where you think another year could put you in the lottery, or on the 1st/2nd round bubble. No way in hell should you do it as a Top 5 pick....especially if you're a perimeter player. Big guys can take a risk, because teams will always gamble on size, but the "next big thing" perimeter players are a dime a dozen.

 
Utah is making this night a whole lot less exciting. Weak
Yeah, how disgraceful of them to struggle on the road against a team which is 30 games over .500
:confused: I just want to watch a Laker Houston game that is more meaningful. Settle down
I think avoiding the thunder is a pretty meaningful purpose.
Meh. I'm talking Lakers missing the playoffs sort of meaningful

 
Obviously I'm happy Utah lost, but the score indicates a pretty poor effort after they fought so hard to get into this position. I didn't see any of it- did they at least play hard? (32 points in the 2nd half).

 
If LAL is going to pull the first round miracle, it's likely going to be on the strength of a game plan which is 90% "throw it to Dwight under the basket every time down the floor", correct? He may be a bonehead, but having him be a one-man show would seem to be their only chance to advance.

Yes? No?

 
If LAL is going to pull the first round miracle, it's likely going to be on the strength of a game plan which is 90% "throw it to Dwight under the basket every time down the floor", correct? He may be a bonehead, but having him be a one-man show would seem to be their only chance to advance. Yes? No?
He's nowhere near that good of an offensive player. And OKC and SA have guys who can contain him.
 
If LAL is going to pull the first round miracle, it's likely going to be on the strength of a game plan which is 90% "throw it to Dwight under the basket every time down the floor", correct? He may be a bonehead, but having him be a one-man show would seem to be their only chance to advance. Yes? No?
He's a giant girl with no killer instinct.
 
If LAL is going to pull the first round miracle, it's likely going to be on the strength of a game plan which is 90% "throw it to Dwight under the basket every time down the floor", correct? He may be a bonehead, but having him be a one-man show would seem to be their only chance to advance. Yes? No?
He's nowhere near that good of an offensive player. And OKC and SA have guys who can contain him.
:goodposting:The only chance they have is if Steve Blake catches fire from outside and Jamison finds the fountain of youth.
 
So if I'm hearing you guys right, putting money on SA or OKC to beat the Lakers in the series is free :moneybag: ... regardless of the kind of odds we'll have to lay?

 
So if I'm hearing you guys right, putting money on SA or OKC to beat the Lakers in the series is free :moneybag: ... regardless of the kind of odds we'll have to lay?
OKC will be a complete slaughter. I could see the Lakers winning a game or two against the Spurs. They'll be such big favorites that I can't imagine you'd take much down betting on either.
 
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So if I'm hearing you guys right, putting money on SA or OKC to beat the Lakers in the series is free :moneybag: ... regardless of the kind of odds we'll have to lay?
OKC will be a complete slaughter. I could see the Lakers winning a game or two against the Spurs.They'll be such big favorites that I can't imagine you'd take much down betting on either.
I can "take down" whatever I wish. They can't limit how much I want to win. :shrug: Just gotta risk that much more.

 
So if I'm hearing you guys right, putting money on SA or OKC to beat the Lakers in the series is free :moneybag: ... regardless of the kind of odds we'll have to lay?
OKC will be a complete slaughter. I could see the Lakers winning a game or two against the Spurs.They'll be such big favorites that I can't imagine you'd take much down betting on either.
I can "take down" whatever I wish. They can't limit how much I want to win. :shrug: Just gotta risk that much more.
Figured they had a betting limit.
 
So if I'm hearing you guys right, putting money on SA or OKC to beat the Lakers in the series is free :moneybag: ... regardless of the kind of odds we'll have to lay?
OKC will be a complete slaughter. I could see the Lakers winning a game or two against the Spurs.They'll be such big favorites that I can't imagine you'd take much down betting on either.
I can "take down" whatever I wish. They can't limit how much I want to win. :shrug: Just gotta risk that much more.
Figured they had a betting limit.
Well, I'm sure they do but I'll never approach it. It's up there.

 
I already have a nice chunk of change on the Heat to win it all. I recommended that in the wagering thread over a month ago when they were -110, which was crazy. I can't see anyone beating them 4 out of 7. That line is now -200 at Sportsbook.

 
Lakers getting their #### pushed in by a bunch of D leaguers and James Harden. They're not winning this game and will get swept IF they get in.
Me thinks you haven't watched Houston. Parsons would start at the three for the lakers and Asik may well finish in the top three of dpoy.
 
Lakers getting their #### pushed in by a bunch of D leaguers and James Harden. They're not winning this game and will get swept IF they get in.
Me thinks you haven't watched Houston. Parsons would start at the three for the lakers and Asik may well finish in the top three of dpoy.
Speaking of which, the DPOY race is wide open this year. Marc Gasol, Noah, Duncan (who, ridiculously, has never won it), Hibbert, Sanders, LeBron, etc.

 
If LAL is going to pull the first round miracle, it's likely going to be on the strength of a game plan which is 90% "throw it to Dwight under the basket every time down the floor", correct? He may be a bonehead, but having him be a one-man show would seem to be their only chance to advance. Yes? No?
OKC in 2.
 
Lakers getting their #### pushed in by a bunch of D leaguers and James Harden. They're not winning this game and will get swept IF they get in.
Me thinks you haven't watched Houston. Parsons would start at the three for the lakers and Asik may well finish in the top three of dpoy.
Speaking of which, the DPOY race is wide open this year. Marc Gasol, Noah, Duncan (who, ridiculously, has never won it), Hibbert, Sanders, LeBron, etc.
I think it goes Duncan, gasol, Asik with Noah missing out because of missed games.
 
Lakers getting their #### pushed in by a bunch of D leaguers and James Harden. They're not winning this game and will get swept IF they get in.
Me thinks you haven't watched Houston. Parsons would start at the three for the lakers and Asik may well finish in the top three of dpoy.
Speaking of which, the DPOY race is wide open this year. Marc Gasol, Noah, Duncan (who, ridiculously, has never won it), Hibbert, Sanders, LeBron, etc.
I think it goes Duncan, gasol, Asik with Noah missing out because of missed games.
Noah has played 400 more minutes than Duncan and the same amount of minutes as Asik.

 

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