What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (6 Viewers)

Re: lakers

Even though he didn't play all that well on the stat sheet , it is clear to see how much better they look with Nash ingrained in to the team. I'm guessing a full camp with Nash and Pringles made a huge difference.
:lmao:

Yes, his awesome 1-3, 3 point, 5 assist 3 turnover game last night really carried the Lakers.

Nash barely did anything in the preseason, let alone play. He's only slightly less frail and mobile than Monty Burns. Farmar has been the best PG on this team since preseason and I don't expect that to change. Nash is pretty much done.
Cool to see your reading comprehension has not improved. I didn't say Nash looked like an all star. In fact I didn't say anything directly about his play at all. I said that his presence is noticeable. The ball was moving all over the place which is a change from last year.
I think that may have less to do with the presence of a certain player and more to do with the absence of another.

 
I don't understand what's so bothersome about pointing out that a D'Antoni/Nash/Spread-it-around-all-over offense might not fit well with a "pass me the ball and stand around" player like Kobe Bryant. I think Bryant is an exceptional player. I don't think he fits in this system just like Carmelo didn't fit.
:goodposting:

 
Everyone figured that they would be super conservative with his rehab, especially since they don't care about winning games. It is a surprise that they would officially shut him down, especially since Andrews is saying good things. Tank mode is really in full effect.
Sixers' open at home against the defending champions and Allen Iverson is likely to be on-hand to announce his retirement, and they still have to have a ticket deal through Living Social. This year is going to be an epic suck-fest.
I know that no one else really cares about this, but here is the promotional photo for tonight's opener: http://info.comcast-spectacor.com/res/wellsfargo/593e25d457454fa89232e6fe54545287.png

The immortal Michael Carter-Williams is the face of the franchise right now.
I'm sad they lost Wyatt for the rap group...

 
Everyone figured that they would be super conservative with his rehab, especially since they don't care about winning games. It is a surprise that they would officially shut him down, especially since Andrews is saying good things. Tank mode is really in full effect.
Sixers' open at home against the defending champions and Allen Iverson is likely to be on-hand to announce his retirement, and they still have to have a ticket deal through Living Social. This year is going to be an epic suck-fest.
I know that no one else really cares about this, but here is the promotional photo for tonight's opener: http://info.comcast-spectacor.com/res/wellsfargo/593e25d457454fa89232e6fe54545287.png

The immortal Michael Carter-Williams is the face of the franchise right now.
I'm sad they lost Wyatt for the rap group...
Oh Tre

 
Everyone figured that they would be super conservative with his rehab, especially since they don't care about winning games. It is a surprise that they would officially shut him down, especially since Andrews is saying good things. Tank mode is really in full effect.
Sixers' open at home against the defending champions and Allen Iverson is likely to be on-hand to announce his retirement, and they still have to have a ticket deal through Living Social. This year is going to be an epic suck-fest.
I know that no one else really cares about this, but here is the promotional photo for tonight's opener: http://info.comcast-spectacor.com/res/wellsfargo/593e25d457454fa89232e6fe54545287.png

The immortal Michael Carter-Williams is the face of the franchise right now.
I'm sad they lost Wyatt for the rap group...
Oh Tre
Yes?

 
Everyone figured that they would be super conservative with his rehab, especially since they don't care about winning games. It is a surprise that they would officially shut him down, especially since Andrews is saying good things. Tank mode is really in full effect.
Sixers' open at home against the defending champions and Allen Iverson is likely to be on-hand to announce his retirement, and they still have to have a ticket deal through Living Social. This year is going to be an epic suck-fest.
I know that no one else really cares about this, but here is the promotional photo for tonight's opener: http://info.comcast-spectacor.com/res/wellsfargo/593e25d457454fa89232e6fe54545287.png

The immortal Michael Carter-Williams is the face of the franchise right now.
I'm sad they lost Wyatt for the rap group...
Vander Blue is gone too, so MCW is a solo act now.

 
I don't understand what's so bothersome about pointing out that a D'Antoni/Nash/Spread-it-around-all-over offense might not fit well with a "pass me the ball and stand around" player like Kobe Bryant. I think Bryant is an exceptional player. I don't think he fits in this system just like Carmelo didn't fit.
:goodposting:
Yep. Ball stoppers are the death of a D'Antoni offense.
It's amazing how efficient that offense looked in the 4th Q (41 points) with five no-names running it.

Trade Kobe to a fringe playoff team in exchange for a 1st-rounder and be done with it.

 
The notion that Kobe will make the team worse when he returns is laughable. Kobe Bryant remains one of the small handful of elite basketball players on the planet.
How do you know this? He's 35 years old, coming off of a major injury. Nothing is certain.
What does timschochet's statement even means anyway? Anybody who is in the NBA is one of the small handful of elite basketball players on the planet.

 
I don't understand what's so bothersome about pointing out that a D'Antoni/Nash/Spread-it-around-all-over offense might not fit well with a "pass me the ball and stand around" player like Kobe Bryant. I think Bryant is an exceptional player. I don't think he fits in this system just like Carmelo didn't fit.
:goodposting:
Yep. Ball stoppers are the death of a D'Antoni offense.
It's amazing how efficient that offense looked in the 4th Q (41 points) with five no-names running it.

Trade Kobe to a fringe playoff team in exchange for a 1st-rounder and be done with it.
Last nights performance will probably end up being an outlier IMO. You still need talent to win consistently but a D'Antoni offence can make schlubs look pretty good.

100% agree they should dump Kobe for whatever they can get.

 
I don't understand what's so bothersome about pointing out that a D'Antoni/Nash/Spread-it-around-all-over offense might not fit well with a "pass me the ball and stand around" player like Kobe Bryant. I think Bryant is an exceptional player. I don't think he fits in this system just like Carmelo didn't fit.
:goodposting:
Yep. Ball stoppers are the death of a D'Antoni offense.
It's amazing how efficient that offense looked in the 4th Q (41 points) with five no-names running it.

Trade Kobe to a fringe playoff team in exchange for a 1st-rounder and be done with it.
Last nights performance will probably end up being an outlier IMO. You still need talent to win consistently but a D'Antoni offence can make schlubs look pretty good.

100% agree they should dump Kobe for whatever they can get.
Send him to the Raptors. Maybe they will be watchable.

 
Everyone figured that they would be super conservative with his rehab, especially since they don't care about winning games. It is a surprise that they would officially shut him down, especially since Andrews is saying good things. Tank mode is really in full effect.
Sixers' open at home against the defending champions and Allen Iverson is likely to be on-hand to announce his retirement, and they still have to have a ticket deal through Living Social. This year is going to be an epic suck-fest.
I know that no one else really cares about this, but here is the promotional photo for tonight's opener: http://info.comcast-spectacor.com/res/wellsfargo/593e25d457454fa89232e6fe54545287.png

The immortal Michael Carter-Williams is the face of the franchise right now.
I'm sad they lost Wyatt for the rap group...
Vander Blue is gone too, so MCW is a solo act now.
Van signed with Maccabi Rishon of the Israeli League yesterday.

 
I don't understand what's so bothersome about pointing out that a D'Antoni/Nash/Spread-it-around-all-over offense might not fit well with a "pass me the ball and stand around" player like Kobe Bryant. I think Bryant is an exceptional player. I don't think he fits in this system just like Carmelo didn't fit.
:goodposting:
Yep. Ball stoppers are the death of a D'Antoni offense.
It's amazing how efficient that offense looked in the 4th Q (41 points) with five no-names running it.

Trade Kobe to a fringe playoff team in exchange for a 1st-rounder and be done with it.
Last nights performance will probably end up being an outlier IMO. You still need talent to win consistently but a D'Antoni offence can make schlubs look pretty good.

100% agree they should dump Kobe for whatever they can get.
Send him to the Raptors. Maybe they will be watchable.
God I hope they don't trade for him. I wouldn't want him for free. That would be a huge mistake - probably worse than if they had acquired Nash because at least he's Canadian. They need rebuild and get young talent, not trade for washed up cap space eaters.

 
Re: lakers

Even though he didn't play all that well on the stat sheet , it is clear to see how much better they look with Nash ingrained in to the team. I'm guessing a full camp with Nash and Pringles made a huge difference.
:lmao:

Yes, his awesome 1-3, 3 point, 5 assist 3 turnover game last night really carried the Lakers.

Nash barely did anything in the preseason, let alone play. He's only slightly less frail and mobile than Monty Burns. Farmar has been the best PG on this team since preseason and I don't expect that to change. Nash is pretty much done.
Cool to see your reading comprehension has not improved. I didn't say Nash looked like an all star. In fact I didn't say anything directly about his play at all. I said that his presence is noticeable. The ball was moving all over the place which is a change from last year.
That's exactly what I thought you said. And I'm saying his presence was negligible. The guy has been rehabbing all preseason, he has had little to no impact on the team.

 
The notion that Kobe will make the team worse when he returns is laughable. Kobe Bryant remains one of the small handful of elite basketball players on the planet.
How do you know this? He's 35 years old, coming off of a major injury. Nothing is certain.
Tim is always certain something is gonna to happen...until it doesn't.

I seem to remember him being certain that Dwight Howard would stay in LA and he and Bryant would snag a few rings together...which didn't happen.

 
Everyone figured that they would be super conservative with his rehab, especially since they don't care about winning games. It is a surprise that they would officially shut him down, especially since Andrews is saying good things. Tank mode is really in full effect.
Sixers' open at home against the defending champions and Allen Iverson is likely to be on-hand to announce his retirement, and they still have to have a ticket deal through Living Social. This year is going to be an epic suck-fest.
I know that no one else really cares about this, but here is the promotional photo for tonight's opener: http://info.comcast-spectacor.com/res/wellsfargo/593e25d457454fa89232e6fe54545287.png

The immortal Michael Carter-Williams is the face of the franchise right now.
I'm sad they lost Wyatt for the rap group...
Vander Blue is gone too, so MCW is a solo act now.
NOOOO

They still have Wroten, he's the star of that (former) foursome.

 
Re: lakers

Even though he didn't play all that well on the stat sheet , it is clear to see how much better they look with Nash ingrained in to the team. I'm guessing a full camp with Nash and Pringles made a huge difference.
:lmao:

Yes, his awesome 1-3, 3 point, 5 assist 3 turnover game last night really carried the Lakers.

Nash barely did anything in the preseason, let alone play. He's only slightly less frail and mobile than Monty Burns. Farmar has been the best PG on this team since preseason and I don't expect that to change. Nash is pretty much done.
Cool to see your reading comprehension has not improved. I didn't say Nash looked like an all star. In fact I didn't say anything directly about his play at all. I said that his presence is noticeable. The ball was moving all over the place which is a change from last year.
That's exactly what I thought you said. And I'm saying his presence was negligible. The guy has been rehabbing all preseason, he has had little to no impact on the team.
Interesting. There is no way to know for sure but I would imagine the other guys on the team would speak glowingly of his impact on things.

Regardless, I probably tried to get complicated in making my point, which is this:

They passed the ball last night in a way that most reminded me of a Nash/D'Antonio led squad and least reminded me of any team that Kobe Bryant has ever been on.

 
Re: lakers

Even though he didn't play all that well on the stat sheet , it is clear to see how much better they look with Nash ingrained in to the team. I'm guessing a full camp with Nash and Pringles made a huge difference.
:lmao:

Yes, his awesome 1-3, 3 point, 5 assist 3 turnover game last night really carried the Lakers.

Nash barely did anything in the preseason, let alone play. He's only slightly less frail and mobile than Monty Burns. Farmar has been the best PG on this team since preseason and I don't expect that to change. Nash is pretty much done.
Cool to see your reading comprehension has not improved. I didn't say Nash looked like an all star. In fact I didn't say anything directly about his play at all. I said that his presence is noticeable. The ball was moving all over the place which is a change from last year.
That's exactly what I thought you said. And I'm saying his presence was negligible. The guy has been rehabbing all preseason, he has had little to no impact on the team.
Interesting. There is no way to know for sure but I would imagine the other guys on the team would speak glowingly of his impact on things.

Regardless, I probably tried to get complicated in making my point, which is this:

They passed the ball last night in a way that most reminded me of a Nash/D'Antonio led squad and least reminded me of any team that Kobe Bryant has ever been on.
So they reminded you of the Phoenix Suns.

 
Re: lakers

Even though he didn't play all that well on the stat sheet , it is clear to see how much better they look with Nash ingrained in to the team. I'm guessing a full camp with Nash and Pringles made a huge difference.
:lmao:

Yes, his awesome 1-3, 3 point, 5 assist 3 turnover game last night really carried the Lakers.

Nash barely did anything in the preseason, let alone play. He's only slightly less frail and mobile than Monty Burns. Farmar has been the best PG on this team since preseason and I don't expect that to change. Nash is pretty much done.
Cool to see your reading comprehension has not improved. I didn't say Nash looked like an all star. In fact I didn't say anything directly about his play at all. I said that his presence is noticeable. The ball was moving all over the place which is a change from last year.
That's exactly what I thought you said. And I'm saying his presence was negligible. The guy has been rehabbing all preseason, he has had little to no impact on the team.
Interesting. There is no way to know for sure but I would imagine the other guys on the team would speak glowingly of his impact on things.

Regardless, I probably tried to get complicated in making my point, which is this:

They passed the ball last night in a way that most reminded me of a Nash/D'Antonio led squad and least reminded me of any team that Kobe Bryant has ever been on.
Kobe has 5 NBA titles playing in the triangle offense.

Nash and D'Antoni have 0 running the fun-and-gun.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Re: lakers

Even though he didn't play all that well on the stat sheet , it is clear to see how much better they look with Nash ingrained in to the team. I'm guessing a full camp with Nash and Pringles made a huge difference.
:lmao:

Yes, his awesome 1-3, 3 point, 5 assist 3 turnover game last night really carried the Lakers.

Nash barely did anything in the preseason, let alone play. He's only slightly less frail and mobile than Monty Burns. Farmar has been the best PG on this team since preseason and I don't expect that to change. Nash is pretty much done.
Cool to see your reading comprehension has not improved. I didn't say Nash looked like an all star. In fact I didn't say anything directly about his play at all. I said that his presence is noticeable. The ball was moving all over the place which is a change from last year.
That's exactly what I thought you said. And I'm saying his presence was negligible. The guy has been rehabbing all preseason, he has had little to no impact on the team.
Interesting. There is no way to know for sure but I would imagine the other guys on the team would speak glowingly of his impact on things.

Regardless, I probably tried to get complicated in making my point, which is this:

They passed the ball last night in a way that most reminded me of a Nash/D'Antonio led squad and least reminded me of any team that Kobe Bryant has ever been on.
Kobe has 5 NBA titles playing in the triangle offense.

Nash and D'Antoni have 0 running the fun-and-gun.
What does that have to do with the point I made?

 
I don't understand what's so bothersome about pointing out that a D'Antoni/Nash/Spread-it-around-all-over offense might not fit well with a "pass me the ball and stand around" player like Kobe Bryant. I think Bryant is an exceptional player. I don't think he fits in this system just like Carmelo didn't fit.
:goodposting:
Yep. Ball stoppers are the death of a D'Antoni offense.
It's amazing how efficient that offense looked in the 4th Q (41 points) with five no-names running it.

Trade Kobe to a fringe playoff team in exchange for a 1st-rounder and be done with it.
Last nights performance will probably end up being an outlier IMO. You still need talent to win consistently but a D'Antoni offence can make schlubs look pretty good.

100% agree they should dump Kobe for whatever they can get.
What teams can absorb the $30m cap hit?

 
Miami starting on a 23-2 run.

The wrong end of it, but nonetheless a 23-2 run.

Philly 10-10 to start.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Everyone figured that they would be super conservative with his rehab, especially since they don't care about winning games. It is a surprise that they would officially shut him down, especially since Andrews is saying good things. Tank mode is really in full effect.
Sixers' open at home against the defending champions and Allen Iverson is likely to be on-hand to announce his retirement, and they still have to have a ticket deal through Living Social. This year is going to be an epic suck-fest.
I know that no one else really cares about this, but here is the promotional photo for tonight's opener: http://info.comcast-spectacor.com/res/wellsfargo/593e25d457454fa89232e6fe54545287.png

The immortal Michael Carter-Williams is the face of the franchise right now.
who's the guy on the right?
:goodposting:

 
No way he shoots that well from 3 every night, but one thing about MCW is he plays hard as #### all the time. Should put up quite a few stat-stuffers this year, great first game for the kid.

 
Everyone figured that they would be super conservative with his rehab, especially since they don't care about winning games. It is a surprise that they would officially shut him down, especially since Andrews is saying good things. Tank mode is really in full effect.
Sixers' open at home against the defending champions and Allen Iverson is likely to be on-hand to announce his retirement, and they still have to have a ticket deal through Living Social. This year is going to be an epic suck-fest.
I know that no one else really cares about this, but here is the promotional photo for tonight's opener: http://info.comcast-spectacor.com/res/wellsfargo/593e25d457454fa89232e6fe54545287.png

The immortal Michael Carter-Williams is the face of the franchise right now.
well, i'll be damned.

 
The Nuggets started Lawson, Iggy, Gallo, Faried and Koufos last year, this year they are starting Lawson, Foye, Randolph (wtf?), Hickson and McGee. This year is gonna suck.

 
Everyone figured that they would be super conservative with his rehab, especially since they don't care about winning games. It is a surprise that they would officially shut him down, especially since Andrews is saying good things. Tank mode is really in full effect.
Sixers' open at home against the defending champions and Allen Iverson is likely to be on-hand to announce his retirement, and they still have to have a ticket deal through Living Social. This year is going to be an epic suck-fest.
I know that no one else really cares about this, but here is the promotional photo for tonight's opener: http://info.comcast-spectacor.com/res/wellsfargo/593e25d457454fa89232e6fe54545287.png

The immortal Michael Carter-Williams is the face of the franchise right now.
well, i'll be damned.
Guess the Heat won't go 82-0, back to back, big game with ring ceremony the night before, Wade out with a knee, no excuses, disappointed they didn't keep the intensity.

 
MCW with a hell of a debut!

22-7-12-9

And one turnover.
Very impressive.
I don't follow the draft that closely,but there's no way he's the 11th pick if the draft were held today, right? He provides match-up problems at PG.
So did Tyreke Evans yet the Kings had seen enough. Guy is going to fill up the stat sheet b/c the Sixers have nothing else but that last number is the most important one. Guy gets out of control and shows terrible decision making. If he stops that, there might be something here, but I don't think he is a steal, at least not yet.

 
MCW with a hell of a debut!

22-7-12-9

And one turnover.
Very impressive.
I don't follow the draft that closely,but there's no way he's the 11th pick if the draft were held today, right? He provides match-up problems at PG.
So did Tyreke Evans yet the Kings had seen enough. Guy is going to fill up the stat sheet b/c the Sixers have nothing else but that last number is the most important one. Guy gets out of control and shows terrible decision making. If he stops that, there might be something here, but I don't think he is a steal, at least not yet.
You are speaking of Tyreke, yes? (MCW had 1 turnover and 9 steals.)

 
The Nuggets started Lawson, Iggy, Gallo, Faried and Koufos last year, this year they are starting Lawson, Foye, Randolph (wtf?), Hickson and McGee. This year is gonna suck.
Messiah with have Faried in a Raptors jersey by the end of the year :thumbup:
Gallo and Faried for Gay sounds like something the new Nuggets management would do. Its fascinating that they are getting worse while adding short term and long term money.

 
MCW with a hell of a debut!

22-7-12-9

And one turnover.
Very impressive.
I don't follow the draft that closely,but there's no way he's the 11th pick if the draft were held today, right? He provides match-up problems at PG.
So did Tyreke Evans yet the Kings had seen enough. Guy is going to fill up the stat sheet b/c the Sixers have nothing else but that last number is the most important one. Guy gets out of control and shows terrible decision making. If he stops that, there might be something here, but I don't think he is a steal, at least not yet.
You are speaking of Tyreke, yes? (MCW had 1 turnover and 9 steals.)
I'm talking about both players. One game doesn't dispel this. Can't shoot well (under 30% from college 3) and averaged 3.4 turnovers/game. Here was his scouting report coming into the draft.

-This study is not kind to Michael Carter-Williams who ranks as the least efficient scorer in this group at 0.746 points per-possession. His 22.1% overall turnover rate is the second worst among his peers, as is his 0.683 PPP in the half court. Those two stats are representative of the two key areas his scouting report notes he need to make strides in to reach his potential as a pro: his decision-making and perimeter shooting.

Turning the ball over on 28% of his pick and roll possessions, the highest among his peers, ball security was an area of concern for Carter-Williams in the half court last season. Sporting a 3.6 assist to turnover ratio in transition, he's more efficient as a playmaker in the open floor at this point in his career.

Carter-Williams' well documented issues as a shooter cost him here as well, as his 26.2% shooting on pull-up jumpers and 28% shooting off the catch are a major limiting factor on his scoring ability in the half court, resulting in his ranks as the second worst spot-up and 5th worst pick and roll shooter in this group.

Often lauded for his ability to score at the rim, a bit of fishing shows that Carter-Williams shoots a slightly below average 48.8% as a finisher in the half court, though he compensates by shooting nearly 60% at the basket as the ball-handler in transition.

While Carter-Williams doesn't look great here, this doesn't reveal anything teams don't already know about him. Whoever drafts him will be excited about his size, solid one-on-one ability, athleticism in the open floor, and the player he has the opportunity to become as he begins to work on his two very much improvable weaknesses.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2jGhhtK8A

http://www.draftexpress.com
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top