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Abraham said:
Eephus said:
So what kind of return could the Knicks hope for if they dealt Carmelo Anthony?
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He's expiring so the only place that would give up much would be a team that had a really good chance to resign him. That's basically the two Los Angeles teams and maybe Houston. Cleveland could offer a lot (waiters, Thompson, two firsts) but he isn't signing there. Lakers have nothing of value to offer. Clippers could conceivably offer...? Houston isn't likely to deal parsons although parsons and Asik would be a good starting point. Bulls could offer Deng/boozer platter I guess.
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Conceivably there's also Aldridge, and something with G-State (Barnes and Lee). Potentially there's also scenarios where the tankers would take him on at the deadline.

But as all these suggestions show, there's not a big trade market right now.

 
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Sammy3469 said:
Abraham said:
Eephus said:
So what kind of return could the Knicks hope for if they dealt Carmelo Anthony?
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He's expiring so the only place that would give up much would be a team that had a really good chance to resign him. That's basically the two Los Angeles teams and maybe Houston. Cleveland could offer a lot (waiters, Thompson, two firsts) but he isn't signing there. Lakers have nothing of value to offer. Clippers could conceivably offer...? Houston isn't likely to deal parsons although parsons and Asik would be a good starting point. Bulls could offer Deng/boozer platter I guess.
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Conceivably there's also Aldridge, and something with G-State (Barnes and Lee). Potentially there's also scenarios where the tankers would take him on at the deadline.

But as all these suggestions show, there's not a big trade market right now.
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Ehh. I don't want for GS to give up on Barnes, but I'd love to see Lee hit the road for an expiring deal.

 
Sammy3469 said:
Abraham said:
Eephus said:
So what kind of return could the Knicks hope for if they dealt Carmelo Anthony?
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He's expiring so the only place that would give up much would be a team that had a really good chance to resign him. That's basically the two Los Angeles teams and maybe Houston. Cleveland could offer a lot (waiters, Thompson, two firsts) but he isn't signing there. Lakers have nothing of value to offer. Clippers could conceivably offer...? Houston isn't likely to deal parsons although parsons and Asik would be a good starting point. Bulls could offer Deng/boozer platter I guess.
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Conceivably there's also Aldridge, and something with G-State (Barnes and Lee). Potentially there's also scenarios where the tankers would take him on at the deadline.

But as all these suggestions show, there's not a big trade market right now.
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Yeah, not a clear trade partner, and just as important, I'd have a hard time imagining the Knicks looking to trade Carmelo for parts to rebuild around.

Even if Carmelo were to give them the same courtesy he gave DEN, it's NY. They'll believe he'll stay just like the Lakers never believe Howard would leave (even as it was perfectly clear he didn't want to be there.

Plus any trade they did would essentially be a reversal of the DEN trade (if they are lucky), and I'd think that would take a lot of pride swallowing.

 
Golden State could probably move David Lee and Barnes for Melo, which wouldn't be the worst deal in the world for both teams. Thompson/Iggy/Melo is a bit crowded unless they want to go with Melo at the 4 as the Knicks do some. That would be an interesting team.

I think there will be a lot of trades this year and imagine that despite saying they are happy with Asik next to Howard, any conversation about Lamarcus, Horford, Love, Ryan Anderson and a few others will include the Rockets prominently in the rumors.

 
Unless Yoko Anthony and Carmelo have broken up for good(there were rumors) - they are not leaving NY. Maybe the Lakers/Clips are a possibility she would accept - he was trying to hook up with Paul at one point.

 
Moe. said:
I took Eephus' comment to be mostly tongue in cheek. They aren't trading Melo.
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Totally agree, but if they floundering into the trade deadline they have to at least think about it. Of course that's as a Knicks fan that can't believe they're really going to pay him another max contract.

 
Sammy3469 said:
Moe. said:
I took Eephus' comment to be mostly tongue in cheek. They aren't trading Melo.
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Totally agree, but if they floundering into the trade deadline they have to at least think about it. Of course that's as a Knicks fan that can't believe they're really going to pay him another max contract.
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It wasn't entirely tongue in cheek. It's an interesting hypothetical although the Knicks aren't going to blow it up yet.

As an outside observer, it's pretty apparent that they're stuck as at best a middle seed playoff team until the Stoudemire deal expires in 2015. I doubt that Dolan sees it that way though.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Yo Mama said:
Nene and Ariza for Melo?
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if the Wiz waste the max deal reserved for Durant in 2016 on Melo I'm moving.
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What if Melo opts out and they let him walk (and get out of Nene's deal in the process)? They'd only have Wall, Beal, Porter, and Webster on the books next year and money to spend (oops Maynor and Rice too, but for low $).
 
Magic are frisky. Wish they'd play Olodipo more though. He hounded Paul on D and is efficient on offense. And will play 22 minutes. :confused:

 
Thinking/hoping Casey is going to be the first coached axed this year. What a horrible job tonight.

 
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The Pacers remain the only unbeaten team at 5-0 and have yet to have an opponent shoot higher than 40% against them.

And that's with George Hill out for 2 of those games and Granger not playing yet. The bench is so much better this year so far.

 
These new LeBron ads are outstanding. His advisors are doing a tremendous job ensuring that the narratives are brighting LBJ's shine as much as the products themselves.

 
GordonGekko said:
Eephus said:
So what kind of return could the Knicks hope for if they dealt Carmelo Anthony?
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Very little. A first round pick, not in next years draft.

The two LA teams are out. If the Lakers were going to fire D'Antoni, they would have done it to try to entice Howard to stay, so they are vested with D'Antoni. Melo basically drove Pringles out of NY, along with Lin, so I have serious doubts LA could sign Anthony, and convince him to leave money on the table. A sign and trade is almost impossible as the Lakers are devoid of assets ( no draft picks, no cap space, no young promising players on rookie contracts) Also LA has to face the prospect, if they resign Bryant, of two ball stopping chuckers with bad shot selections , who are really anti Pringles type players, that don't care about defense and who will decline heavily in their next contracts.

The Clippers problems aren't offense, it's defense. Adding Melo the mix doesn't help that team reach the next level. Getting Jordan and Griffin to be true two way threats, esp on defense, is the big key to that team. On Griffin for Melo, Griffin is younger, more marketable, and is at least in good condition.

It's not just Melo, it's his wife, who has a reality show. For that to work, she has to be in NY or LA. He's never shown to have ever left money on the table, which is what it would take to leave the Knicks. He's a minus defender ( though an elite rebounder from the SF slot) and his conditioning leaves much to be desired. His plus is he is complete offensively, and that extra weight he carries helps him as a PF. There's nothing within the realm of scoring that he can't do at an elite level.

His best fit is the Bulls. A team that can hide him defensively and a team who needs someone to take the heavy lifting offensively while they lock down on D. Melo only has to be average on D and Rose, Butler and Noah and Gibson can protect and cover for his weaknesses. I think Melo would ease the offensive burden on Rose and the team can sort of let Melo focus on offense while the focus on all the other aspects of the game. I mean this is what the US did with international play. Surround Melo with a good team, let them worry about defense and all the other dirty work issues and just tell him to score.

Despite his poor shot selection, his conditioning and his crap defense and what I see as generally low BB IQ, Melo will give you about 3 weeks a season where he is pretty much unstoppable. All his shots fall and he's a one man wrecking crew offensively. From a coaching standpoint, the trick is to get him to peak there in your playoff run.

I don't see him leaving NY. If he cared about a ring, he would have signed with NY as a free agent, taken a salary hit and not drained the Knicks of all those assets. His best "Career" move is to go to the Bulls with a paycut. His best "Melo the Limited Celebrity who wants to keep his wife happy as a D Lister" move is to stay in NY, take the max and be a first round exit every year.
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Much of this is spot on. Especially the part about Melo being one of only a couple of players in the league who can be truly unstoppable even against elite defenses in a playoff atmosphere.

 
The last sentence from the Queen City Hoops blog wrap-up from last night....

"After breaking the .500 plateau in their back-to-back against Toronto and New York, the Bobcats will meet up against the banged up Knicks once again on Friday as they look to hold on to their lead of the Southeast Division"

 
pollardsvision said:
The last sentence from the Queen City Hoops blog wrap-up from last night....

"After breaking the .500 plateau in their back-to-back against Toronto and New York, the Bobcats will meet up against the banged up Knicks once again on Friday as they look to hold on to their lead of the Southeast Division"
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Good stuff.

I'd love to see the Charlotte franchise get back to respectability. It's as basketball-crazy a state as Indiana, but they've never really been able to enjoy a decent team playing the game at the highest level. Last time they built a solid team it was overshadowed by the owner undermining the whole thing before shipping the team off to New Orleans.

 
TobiasFunke said:
pollardsvision said:
The last sentence from the Queen City Hoops blog wrap-up from last night....

"After breaking the .500 plateau in their back-to-back against Toronto and New York, the Bobcats will meet up against the banged up Knicks once again on Friday as they look to hold on to their lead of the Southeast Division"
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Good stuff.

I'd love to see the Charlotte franchise get back to respectability. It's as basketball-crazy a state as Indiana, but they've never really been able to enjoy a decent team playing the game at the highest level. Last time they built a solid team it was overshadowed by the owner undermining the whole thing before shipping the team off to New Orleans.
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It's also nice that Anthony Bennett's on track to make MKG look like Reggie Miller.

 
TobiasFunke said:
pollardsvision said:
The last sentence from the Queen City Hoops blog wrap-up from last night....

"After breaking the .500 plateau in their back-to-back against Toronto and New York, the Bobcats will meet up against the banged up Knicks once again on Friday as they look to hold on to their lead of the Southeast Division"
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Good stuff.

I'd love to see the Charlotte franchise get back to respectability. It's as basketball-crazy a state as Indiana, but they've never really been able to enjoy a decent team playing the game at the highest level. Last time they built a solid team it was overshadowed by the owner undermining the whole thing before shipping the team off to New Orleans.
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Agreed. No one cares, but they are on a COMPLETELY different trajectory if they get Davis last year. I like MKG, but he's destined to be the third best player on a fringe playoff team whereas I think Davis is the kind of guy that can be the Alpha Dog on a conference champion. Anyway, it will be interesting to see them with Jefferson in there. No reason they can't chase the 7 or 8 seed.

 
Abraham said:
TobiasFunke said:
pollardsvision said:
The last sentence from the Queen City Hoops blog wrap-up from last night....

"After breaking the .500 plateau in their back-to-back against Toronto and New York, the Bobcats will meet up against the banged up Knicks once again on Friday as they look to hold on to their lead of the Southeast Division"
Click to expand...
Good stuff.

I'd love to see the Charlotte franchise get back to respectability. It's as basketball-crazy a state as Indiana, but they've never really been able to enjoy a decent team playing the game at the highest level. Last time they built a solid team it was overshadowed by the owner undermining the whole thing before shipping the team off to New Orleans.
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Agreed. No one cares, but they are on a COMPLETELY different trajectory if they get Davis last year. I like MKG, but he's destined to be the third best player on a fringe playoff team whereas I think Davis is the kind of guy that can be the Alpha Dog on a conference champion. Anyway, it will be interesting to see them with Jefferson in there. No reason they can't chase the 7 or 8 seed.
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I also would have loved to see them roll the dice on Noel instead of making the safe play with Zeller. Take one more year in the lottery and then make the jump. Jordan's MO seems to be guys that proved themselves at the college level, though. Zeller over Noel, MKG over Beal, Kemba Walker over the various other options in that draft. Maybe he still feels burned by the Kwame Brown pick in DC.

Pollard- have you been to the new arena? I went to a couple games at the Coliseum in the late 90s, the teams were decent but the place seemed a little stale. Curious to hear firsthand reports about the joint.

 
tommyGunZ said:
These new LeBron ads are outstanding. His advisors are doing a tremendous job ensuring that the narratives are brighting LBJ's shine as much as the products themselves.
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Funny you should mention this. I find them meandering and tedious. I can't change the channel fast enough when they come on. And they're like 15 minutes long each. And they play them seemingly every commercial break.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Abraham said:
TobiasFunke said:
pollardsvision said:
The last sentence from the Queen City Hoops blog wrap-up from last night....

"After breaking the .500 plateau in their back-to-back against Toronto and New York, the Bobcats will meet up against the banged up Knicks once again on Friday as they look to hold on to their lead of the Southeast Division"
Click to expand...
Good stuff.

I'd love to see the Charlotte franchise get back to respectability. It's as basketball-crazy a state as Indiana, but they've never really been able to enjoy a decent team playing the game at the highest level. Last time they built a solid team it was overshadowed by the owner undermining the whole thing before shipping the team off to New Orleans.
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Agreed. No one cares, but they are on a COMPLETELY different trajectory if they get Davis last year. I like MKG, but he's destined to be the third best player on a fringe playoff team whereas I think Davis is the kind of guy that can be the Alpha Dog on a conference champion. Anyway, it will be interesting to see them with Jefferson in there. No reason they can't chase the 7 or 8 seed.
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I also would have loved to see them roll the dice on Noel instead of making the safe play with Zeller. Take one more year in the lottery and then make the jump. Jordan's MO seems to be guys that proved themselves at the college level, though. Zeller over Noel, MKG over Beal, Kemba Walker over the various other options in that draft. Maybe he still feels burned by the Kwame Brown pick in DC.

Pollard- have you been to the new arena? I went to a couple games at the Coliseum in the late 90s, the teams were decent but the place seemed a little stale. Curious to hear firsthand reports about the joint.
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I watched several games at the old building myself as a kid - usually wearing my Rex Chapman practice jersey.

BassNBrew is a season ticket holder. IIRC he loved the facility.

 
Premier said:
:lmao:

You Laker fans are dooshbags. That was Orlando fan's theme last year. #### you guys for being mad at him.
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No kidding. I'm too lazy to go back and find all the knob gobbling that laker fans posted last year but it is most certainly there.

 
Abraham said:
Premier said:
:lmao:

You Laker fans are dooshbags. That was Orlando fan's theme last year. #### you guys for being mad at him.
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No kidding. I'm too lazy to go back and find all the knob gobbling that laker fans posted last year but it is most certainly there.
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He's your problem now gb.

 
And the Heat dispose of another so called playa' or challenger they might face down the road. Anytime the media hypes up a team as potential threats the Heat typically prevail. Vintage DWade tonight as LBJ was just normal tonight. Chrissy Bosh not much impact, Heat bench with Allen, Anderson, and Battier picked up the slack tonight, nice win for the Heat who have been starting slow. They went down 9-2 early, gave up 25 in the 1st 6 minutes, looked like the Clips were on pace for about 120, Heat defense showed up the rest of the game.

 
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