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*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (3 Viewers)

God ABC is going to bring Jackson back for the Finals aren't they?
One of the worst ever, was never so happy to see a guy get hired out of the booth. He lives on a different planet than most. Very righteous in his delivery and what he would say on TV. Some really bad telecasts started with him as part of the trio.
I always enjoyed the trio of Breen, Van Gundy and Jackson. They fed off each other really well. You have to deal with the rants by VG and Jackson every once in a while. But would much rather have them over Reggie Miller, Hubie Brown, Chris Webber, and Steve Kerr.

Breen, Marv and Harlan could all have an argument as the best play by play.

 
Terrible move by Golden State. I understand Mark Jackson is one holy MoFo that can get under your skin, he did it to me from the booth for many years. I could have told GS that it would be a roller coaster of good and bad because of who Jackson is and none of these control freak/paranoid events he displayed surprise me in the least. They had to know what they were signing up for.

And despite all that he brought back a franchise that has not been heard from much since the Mullin days of the late 80s thru the mid 90s. The players really liked Jackson and in 2014, it's best to have a group of players in the NBA who can get behind a leader. Talent helps no doubt but coaches who can connect with players like Doc Rivers for example who can work both sides of the social fence, you want that in a coach.

I think this is going to bite GS in the butt and they should have stuck it out another year IMHO and deal with some of the control issues. Bill Belichick has some control issues, Jim Harbaugh has control issues, I realize that is football but 3 straight NFCC appearances by 1 and 3 SB rings plus 2 other trips there on the other guy. Pat Riley is a control freak type from the front office for the Miami Heat and he wins championships to the tune of 8 now as coach and executive.

Now Jackson is a far cry from those example perhaps but we don't know just how far he can take a team yet. I believe he will be unemployed a short time if he desires. A lot of teams would like him to come in and shape a young team. Sometimes when you are shaping an undisciplined franchise or team you have to step on a few toes. I just feel like GS threw in the towel way too soon and he was winning games. I'm sure some will feel different but this just feels wrong to take a coach who went to 7 games in a fierce Western Conference and just toss him away. Who is gonna step in and want to coach GS? How much better are they going to perform? As long as San Antonio has what they have, OKC has Durant/Westbrook, LAC with Paul and Griffin...how many rounds do you expect to truly win in the Western Conference?

Bad move by GS.
While I get the feeling GSW fans could end up disappointed by the results from switching coaches, it doesn't sound like there was much of a choice. There are very few coaches that are worth it if they piss off everybody in the building. Jackson probably isn't one of those coaches.
You are giving the GS FO a lot more credit than I am. I don't care if they didn't like MJ, the goal is to win BBall games. Were things better Pre-MJ there, the answer is simply no they were not better, in fact much worse. They will find out the hard way that winning 35-40 games with everyone blowing sunshine up each other is a lot worse than winning 51 and the FO disliking the coach. Everyone in the building hated this guy? Other than paying the bills and paychecks provided, what has this GS front office and ownership done to deserve the admiration and respect of Mark Jackson?

Teams that flush coaches and players all the time do not make it in the NBA. It is based on a team of guys who end up playing together for many years under the same coach, typically those are the marks of champions in the NBA and most sports. Jordan and Pippen played together for years before they finally broke thru, Then Kobe and Shaq teamed up for a good long while and eventually we ended up with LeBron, Wade, and that other guy who have been playing together now for their 4th year, likely to see a 5th and 6th together, same HC, 3 straight trips to the Finals, perhaps a 4th this year, and Pat Riley has been in Miami now since the mid 90s so his run in Miami has been close to 20 years. That's how you win and attract the best players, stability that stands the test of time. Or you can rent some stability at times like the Lakers hiring Phil not once but twice.

I see GS taking a step back next year and also some player revolt, especially with all the racial tensions right now. Let's fire a black head coach who won 51 games and went 7 with a potential Finals Team coached by Doc Rivers and featuring 2 elite players in the league, that should go over real well.

 
God ABC is going to bring Jackson back for the Finals aren't they?
One of the worst ever, was never so happy to see a guy get hired out of the booth. He lives on a different planet than most. Very righteous in his delivery and what he would say on TV. Some really bad telecasts started with him as part of the trio.
I always enjoyed the trio of Breen, Van Gundy and Jackson. They fed off each other really well. You have to deal with the rants by VG and Jackson every once in a while. But would much rather have them over Reggie Miller, Hubie Brown, Chris Webber, and Steve Kerr.

Breen, Marv and Harlan could all have an argument as the best play by play.
Marv forever and ever. "Yes! And the foul!"

 
Giving Jackson WAY too much credit for GSW's recent success. His offense is horrible, leading the league in isolations and his defense is the product of Malone, another assistant he ran off. Life long Dubs fan here and I am glad to see him go. I hope someone else hires him so I don't have to listen to him drone on "That was a high IQ basketball play..." :yawn:

 
You are giving the GS FO a lot more credit than I am. I don't care if they didn't like MJ, the goal is to win BBall games. Were things better Pre-MJ there, the answer is simply no they were not better, in fact much worse. They will find out the hard way that winning 35-40 games with everyone blowing sunshine up each other is a lot worse than winning 51 and the FO disliking the coach. Everyone in the building hated this guy? Other than paying the bills and paychecks provided, what has this GS front office and ownership done to deserve the admiration and respect of Mark Jackson?


Teams that flush coaches and players all the time do not make it in the NBA. It is based on a team of guys who end up playing together for many years under the same coach, typically those are the marks of champions in the NBA and most sports. Jordan and Pippen played together for years before they finally broke thru, Then Kobe and Shaq teamed up for a good long while and eventually we ended up with LeBron, Wade, and that other guy who have been playing together now for their 4th year, likely to see a 5th and 6th together, same HC, 3 straight trips to the Finals, perhaps a 4th this year, and Pat Riley has been in Miami now since the mid 90s so his run in Miami has been close to 20 years. That's how you win and attract the best players, stability that stands the test of time. Or you can rent some stability at times like the Lakers hiring Phil not once but twice.

I see GS taking a step back next year and also some player revolt, especially with all the racial tensions right now. Let's fire a black head coach who won 51 games and went 7 with a potential Finals Team coached by Doc Rivers and featuring 2 elite players in the league, that should go over real well.
Winning breeds continuity but continuity doesn't necessarily lead to winning.

 
Giving Jackson WAY too much credit for GSW's recent success. His offense is horrible, leading the league in isolations and his defense is the product of Malone, another assistant he ran off. Life long Dubs fan here and I am glad to see him go. I hope someone else hires him so I don't have to listen to him drone on "That was a high IQ basketball play..." :yawn:
Having two elite shooters helped tremendously to bail out his stagnant offense. It was brutal to watch the second unit try to run the same sets.

 
You are giving the GS FO a lot more credit than I am. I don't care if they didn't like MJ, the goal is to win BBall games. Were things better Pre-MJ there, the answer is simply no they were not better, in fact much worse. They will find out the hard way that winning 35-40 games with everyone blowing sunshine up each other is a lot worse than winning 51 and the FO disliking the coach. Everyone in the building hated this guy? Other than paying the bills and paychecks provided, what has this GS front office and ownership done to deserve the admiration and respect of Mark Jackson?


Teams that flush coaches and players all the time do not make it in the NBA. It is based on a team of guys who end up playing together for many years under the same coach, typically those are the marks of champions in the NBA and most sports. Jordan and Pippen played together for years before they finally broke thru, Then Kobe and Shaq teamed up for a good long while and eventually we ended up with LeBron, Wade, and that other guy who have been playing together now for their 4th year, likely to see a 5th and 6th together, same HC, 3 straight trips to the Finals, perhaps a 4th this year, and Pat Riley has been in Miami now since the mid 90s so his run in Miami has been close to 20 years. That's how you win and attract the best players, stability that stands the test of time. Or you can rent some stability at times like the Lakers hiring Phil not once but twice.

I see GS taking a step back next year and also some player revolt, especially with all the racial tensions right now. Let's fire a black head coach who won 51 games and went 7 with a potential Finals Team coached by Doc Rivers and featuring 2 elite players in the league, that should go over real well.
Winning breeds continuity but continuity doesn't necessarily lead to winning.
Questions: How many games do you see Golden State winning next year? Do you see them being a better team in 2015? You appear as if you like the Mark Jackson firing despite the players being very vocal in support of him, is that correct? Do you think Jackson will be hired as early as this year with another team? Appreciate any of the answers. Obviously I think it was the wrong move, only time will tell but history would say it probably wasn't the wisest move.

 
Questions: How many games do you see Golden State winning next year? Do you see them being a better team in 2015? You appear as if you like the Mark Jackson firing despite the players being very vocal in support of him, is that correct? Do you think Jackson will be hired as early as this year with another team? Appreciate any of the answers. Obviously I think it was the wrong move, only time will tell but history would say it probably wasn't the wisest move.
The problem is that regardless of what the players think, you can't have a coach at odd's with the front office and owners.
 
Questions: How many games do you see Golden State winning next year? Do you see them being a better team in 2015? You appear as if you like the Mark Jackson firing despite the players being very vocal in support of him, is that correct? Do you think Jackson will be hired as early as this year with another team? Appreciate any of the answers. Obviously I think it was the wrong move, only time will tell but history would say it probably wasn't the wisest move.
The problem is that regardless of what the players think, you can't have a coach at odd's with the front office and owners.
Just ask Lionel Simmons

 
You are giving the GS FO a lot more credit than I am. I don't care if they didn't like MJ, the goal is to win BBall games. Were things better Pre-MJ there, the answer is simply no they were not better, in fact much worse. They will find out the hard way that winning 35-40 games with everyone blowing sunshine up each other is a lot worse than winning 51 and the FO disliking the coach. Everyone in the building hated this guy? Other than paying the bills and paychecks provided, what has this GS front office and ownership done to deserve the admiration and respect of Mark Jackson?


Teams that flush coaches and players all the time do not make it in the NBA. It is based on a team of guys who end up playing together for many years under the same coach, typically those are the marks of champions in the NBA and most sports. Jordan and Pippen played together for years before they finally broke thru, Then Kobe and Shaq teamed up for a good long while and eventually we ended up with LeBron, Wade, and that other guy who have been playing together now for their 4th year, likely to see a 5th and 6th together, same HC, 3 straight trips to the Finals, perhaps a 4th this year, and Pat Riley has been in Miami now since the mid 90s so his run in Miami has been close to 20 years. That's how you win and attract the best players, stability that stands the test of time. Or you can rent some stability at times like the Lakers hiring Phil not once but twice.

I see GS taking a step back next year and also some player revolt, especially with all the racial tensions right now. Let's fire a black head coach who won 51 games and went 7 with a potential Finals Team coached by Doc Rivers and featuring 2 elite players in the league, that should go over real well.
Winning breeds continuity but continuity doesn't necessarily lead to winning.
Questions: How many games do you see Golden State winning next year? Do you see them being a better team in 2015? You appear as if you like the Mark Jackson firing despite the players being very vocal in support of him, is that correct? Do you think Jackson will be hired as early as this year with another team? Appreciate any of the answers. Obviously I think it was the wrong move, only time will tell but history would say it probably wasn't the wisest move.
What history?

 
You are giving the GS FO a lot more credit than I am. I don't care if they didn't like MJ, the goal is to win BBall games. Were things better Pre-MJ there, the answer is simply no they were not better, in fact much worse. They will find out the hard way that winning 35-40 games with everyone blowing sunshine up each other is a lot worse than winning 51 and the FO disliking the coach. Everyone in the building hated this guy? Other than paying the bills and paychecks provided, what has this GS front office and ownership done to deserve the admiration and respect of Mark Jackson?


Teams that flush coaches and players all the time do not make it in the NBA. It is based on a team of guys who end up playing together for many years under the same coach, typically those are the marks of champions in the NBA and most sports. Jordan and Pippen played together for years before they finally broke thru, Then Kobe and Shaq teamed up for a good long while and eventually we ended up with LeBron, Wade, and that other guy who have been playing together now for their 4th year, likely to see a 5th and 6th together, same HC, 3 straight trips to the Finals, perhaps a 4th this year, and Pat Riley has been in Miami now since the mid 90s so his run in Miami has been close to 20 years. That's how you win and attract the best players, stability that stands the test of time. Or you can rent some stability at times like the Lakers hiring Phil not once but twice.

I see GS taking a step back next year and also some player revolt, especially with all the racial tensions right now. Let's fire a black head coach who won 51 games and went 7 with a potential Finals Team coached by Doc Rivers and featuring 2 elite players in the league, that should go over real well.
Winning breeds continuity but continuity doesn't necessarily lead to winning.
Questions: How many games do you see Golden State winning next year? Do you see them being a better team in 2015? You appear as if you like the Mark Jackson firing despite the players being very vocal in support of him, is that correct? Do you think Jackson will be hired as early as this year with another team? Appreciate any of the answers. Obviously I think it was the wrong move, only time will tell but history would say it probably wasn't the wisest move.
Their 2014-15 record will depend more on the health of Curry, Iguodala and Bogut than on who's coaching them.

They're at the luxury tax threshold and have no draft picks this year. The front office has shown the willingness to move aggressively but there aren't any obvious trade chips left. Thompson and Green will need to be paid soon as well.

Jackson will either move back to TV or get hired by another team. Head coaches churn in the NBA, the same guys pop up in different cities. Sometimes it's a matter of matching the right personality to the stage the club is at. Timing and luck are also non-insignificant factors. When Jackson surfaces again, I'll be very interested in who he hires as assistants.

 
I like the field versus the Heat. Granted if they were in the West, I'd agree that their odds would be drastically worse but I don't think the East is that bad. Nets pose somewhat of a problem. But I think the biggest thing is just general fatigue. Going to 4 straight finals and winning the last 3 will be very difficult. They will have essentially played an extra season in the last 4 years and that is in playoff basketball.

 
You are giving the GS FO a lot more credit than I am. I don't care if they didn't like MJ, the goal is to win BBall games. Were things better Pre-MJ there, the answer is simply no they were not better, in fact much worse. They will find out the hard way that winning 35-40 games with everyone blowing sunshine up each other is a lot worse than winning 51 and the FO disliking the coach. Everyone in the building hated this guy? Other than paying the bills and paychecks provided, what has this GS front office and ownership done to deserve the admiration and respect of Mark Jackson?


Teams that flush coaches and players all the time do not make it in the NBA. It is based on a team of guys who end up playing together for many years under the same coach, typically those are the marks of champions in the NBA and most sports. Jordan and Pippen played together for years before they finally broke thru, Then Kobe and Shaq teamed up for a good long while and eventually we ended up with LeBron, Wade, and that other guy who have been playing together now for their 4th year, likely to see a 5th and 6th together, same HC, 3 straight trips to the Finals, perhaps a 4th this year, and Pat Riley has been in Miami now since the mid 90s so his run in Miami has been close to 20 years. That's how you win and attract the best players, stability that stands the test of time. Or you can rent some stability at times like the Lakers hiring Phil not once but twice.

I see GS taking a step back next year and also some player revolt, especially with all the racial tensions right now. Let's fire a black head coach who won 51 games and went 7 with a potential Finals Team coached by Doc Rivers and featuring 2 elite players in the league, that should go over real well.
Winning breeds continuity but continuity doesn't necessarily lead to winning.
Questions: How many games do you see Golden State winning next year?
Are people talking candidates yet? I think a lot will depend on who they get, but they really ought to be able to market themselves to almost any available basketball coaching talent on the planet. Primo market and a just-entering-his-prime top five NBA talent? Best shooting in the league and a few lockdown defenders at key positions? Yes, thanks.

I agree with your point about building continuity, but those teams you mention had Jackson, Riley, Pop, et al, too. Not just player continuity. I'm not sure it's the best move to settle in and decide to make a go of it for an extended run with a couple young stars when you've got a coach unwilling or unable to adapt to the talent.

 
Teams that flush coaches and players all the time do not make it in the NBA. It is based on a team of guys who end up playing together for many years under the same coach, typically those are the marks of champions in the NBA and most sports. Jordan and Pippen played together for years before they finally broke thru, Then Kobe and Shaq teamed up for a good long while and eventually we ended up with LeBron, Wade, and that other guy who have been playing together now for their 4th year, likely to see a 5th and 6th together, same HC, 3 straight trips to the Finals, perhaps a 4th this year, and Pat Riley has been in Miami now since the mid 90s so his run in Miami has been close to 20 years. That's how you win and attract the best players, stability that stands the test of time. Or you can rent some stability at times like the Lakers hiring Phil not once but twice.

I see GS taking a step back next year and also some player revolt, especially with all the racial tensions right now. Let's fire a black head coach who won 51 games and went 7 with a potential Finals Team coached by Doc Rivers and featuring 2 elite players in the league, that should go over real well.
Good thing Chicago never changed coaches as those two were maturing as players.

 
Brooklyn has zero chance in this series. I guess we already knew this, but seeing game 1 confirms it.

 
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I like the field versus the Heat. Granted if they were in the West, I'd agree that their odds would be drastically worse but I don't think the East is that bad. Nets pose somewhat of a problem. But I think the biggest thing is just general fatigue. Going to 4 straight finals and winning the last 3 will be very difficult. They will have essentially played an extra season in the last 4 years and that is in playoff basketball.
This doesn't look good. The Heat look clearly better than everyone they will play.

 
I like the field versus the Heat. Granted if they were in the West, I'd agree that their odds would be drastically worse but I don't think the East is that bad. Nets pose somewhat of a problem. But I think the biggest thing is just general fatigue. Going to 4 straight finals and winning the last 3 will be very difficult. They will have essentially played an extra season in the last 4 years and that is in playoff basketball.
This doesn't look good. The Heat look clearly better than everyone they will play.
The clippers looked pretty good last night.

 
Teams that flush coaches and players all the time do not make it in the NBA. It is based on a team of guys who end up playing together for many years under the same coach, typically those are the marks of champions in the NBA and most sports. Jordan and Pippen played together for years before they finally broke thru, Then Kobe and Shaq teamed up for a good long while and eventually we ended up with LeBron, Wade, and that other guy who have been playing together now for their 4th year, likely to see a 5th and 6th together, same HC, 3 straight trips to the Finals, perhaps a 4th this year, and Pat Riley has been in Miami now since the mid 90s so his run in Miami has been close to 20 years. That's how you win and attract the best players, stability that stands the test of time. Or you can rent some stability at times like the Lakers hiring Phil not once but twice.

I see GS taking a step back next year and also some player revolt, especially with all the racial tensions right now. Let's fire a black head coach who won 51 games and went 7 with a potential Finals Team coached by Doc Rivers and featuring 2 elite players in the league, that should go over real well.
Good thing Chicago never changed coaches as those two were maturing as players.
Jordan/Pippen playing for GS or some comparable duo? You calling for a GS World Championship in the next year or two? I appreciate your knowledge to whip that out but how does it translate to Golden State right now?

 
Even if they are a comparable team, it's going to be so hard for anyone in the West to beat these guys. They're going to have to go through probably 20 games in 3 grueling series while the Heat will likely see 14 games in 3 cakewalk series. That's almost 300 more minutes of physical playoff basketball.

I wish they would just do a straight 1-16 seeding. You would see the Heat and 7 West teams left.

 
Stan Van Gundy is going be the next coach in _________?
What jobs are open or will be?

Knicks (Kerr)

Warriors (left at the alter by Kerr)

?
Oklahoma City, Indiana, GS would be the 3 teams I think he'd come back for right now that could have openings. Apparently he already said thanks but no thanks to LAL.

Not like I have a clue about anything but he does a local radio show 1 day/4 hours per week...just what i've gathered.

 
Great eve of basketball! First Miami now SA! I see a repeat of last year coming on barring any major injuries! :towelwave:

 
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Giving Jackson WAY too much credit for GSW's recent success. His offense is horrible, leading the league in isolations and his defense is the product of Malone, another assistant he ran off. Life long Dubs fan here and I am glad to see him go. I hope someone else hires him so I don't have to listen to him drone on "That was a high IQ basketball play..." :yawn:
This was the one reason I was hoping GS would hold on to him. I really don't need to hear anymore about "hand down, man down" - just terrible.

 
I like the field versus the Heat. Granted if they were in the West, I'd agree that their odds would be drastically worse but I don't think the East is that bad. Nets pose somewhat of a problem. But I think the biggest thing is just general fatigue. Going to 4 straight finals and winning the last 3 will be very difficult. They will have essentially played an extra season in the last 4 years and that is in playoff basketball.
This doesn't look good. The Heat look clearly better than everyone they will play.
They are going to walk to the finals. I'd put them at 65% to win it all. If Miami was in the West I'd take the field.

 
Teams that flush coaches and players all the time do not make it in the NBA. It is based on a team of guys who end up playing together for many years under the same coach, typically those are the marks of champions in the NBA and most sports. Jordan and Pippen played together for years before they finally broke thru, Then Kobe and Shaq teamed up for a good long while and eventually we ended up with LeBron, Wade, and that other guy who have been playing together now for their 4th year, likely to see a 5th and 6th together, same HC, 3 straight trips to the Finals, perhaps a 4th this year, and Pat Riley has been in Miami now since the mid 90s so his run in Miami has been close to 20 years. That's how you win and attract the best players, stability that stands the test of time. Or you can rent some stability at times like the Lakers hiring Phil not once but twice.

I see GS taking a step back next year and also some player revolt, especially with all the racial tensions right now. Let's fire a black head coach who won 51 games and went 7 with a potential Finals Team coached by Doc Rivers and featuring 2 elite players in the league, that should go over real well.
Good thing Chicago never changed coaches as those two were maturing as players.
Jordan/Pippen playing for GS or some comparable duo? You calling for a GS World Championship in the next year or two? I appreciate your knowledge to whip that out but how does it translate to Golden State right now?
Just questioning you "continuity" supposition. The Bulls were doing fine under Collins were they not? The Lakers letting Westhead go after winning a ring with him hurt their continuity?

 
I like the field versus the Heat. Granted if they were in the West, I'd agree that their odds would be drastically worse but I don't think the East is that bad. Nets pose somewhat of a problem. But I think the biggest thing is just general fatigue. Going to 4 straight finals and winning the last 3 will be very difficult. They will have essentially played an extra season in the last 4 years and that is in playoff basketball.
I agree with you. Whether fatigue, age or personnel changes, the defense simply isn't what it's been the last three seasons. I think they make the Finals of course but the Spurs or Clips take them down. Less confident in OKC.

 
How many games do the Heat lose in the East side of the playoffs? O/U 2.5
I'll take the over. Brooklyn will get 1, and Washington at least 2 if not 3
I've got pretty strong doubts Washington wins three against the Pacers.
How strong? Put your money where your mouth is strong?
Ok? I've got no emotions about the series, just don't think Washington is very good. Indy is a trainwreck, but I think they're a much better team objectively, and talent typically wins out in these situations.

Washington wins, I'll ship you a $20 Amazon GC. 4-2 Indy or worse, give a few bucks to a hobo for me. If it ends 4-3 Indy, I'll feel like pretty strong doubts were justified, but it just didn't quite happen, and no harm no foul. :)

 
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How many games do the Heat lose in the East side of the playoffs? O/U 2.5
I'll take the over. Brooklyn will get 1, and Washington at least 2 if not 3
I've got pretty strong doubts Washington wins three against the Pacers.
How strong? Put your money where your mouth is strong?
Ok? I've got no emotions about the series, just don't think Washington is very good. Indy is a trainwreck, but I think they're a much better team objectively, and talent typically wins out in these situations.

Washington wins, I'll ship you a $20 Amazon GC. 4-2 Indy or worse, give a few bucks to a hobo for me. If it ends 4-3 Indy, I'll feel like pretty strong doubts were justified, but it just didn't quite happen, and no harm no foul. :)
A gentlemen's wager of $20 it is. :hifive:

Just so you know, the Wiz are now favored to win the series outright after taking game 1, somewhere in the -150 neighborhood. Indy had been favored before the series, at around -180.

 
How many games do the Heat lose in the East side of the playoffs? O/U 2.5
I'll take the over. Brooklyn will get 1, and Washington at least 2 if not 3
I've got pretty strong doubts Washington wins three against the Pacers.
How strong? Put your money where your mouth is strong?
Ok? I've got no emotions about the series, just don't think Washington is very good. Indy is a trainwreck, but I think they're a much better team objectively, and talent typically wins out in these situations.

Washington wins, I'll ship you a $20 Amazon GC. 4-2 Indy or worse, give a few bucks to a hobo for me. If it ends 4-3 Indy, I'll feel like pretty strong doubts were justified, but it just didn't quite happen, and no harm no foul. :)
A gentlemen's wager of $20 it is. :hifive:

Just so you know, the Wiz are now favored to win the series outright after taking game 1, somewhere in the -150 neighborhood. Indy had been favored before the series, at around -180.
Yeah, I'd assume most teams that win game one on the road get favorite's odds moving forward. My original comment wasn't meant to be a deep statistical peer into the odds, nor is it meant to suggest I see something in the odds that make it favorable for Indy. Just mentioning offhand that I have strong doubts about the Wiz. :shrug: Can't help it, I do. Would be a pleasure to see you enjoy your team's success though.

 
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How many games do the Heat lose in the East side of the playoffs? O/U 2.5
I'll take the over. Brooklyn will get 1, and Washington at least 2 if not 3
I've got pretty strong doubts Washington wins three against the Pacers.
How strong? Put your money where your mouth is strong?
Ok? I've got no emotions about the series, just don't think Washington is very good. Indy is a trainwreck, but I think they're a much better team objectively, and talent typically wins out in these situations.

Washington wins, I'll ship you a $20 Amazon GC. 4-2 Indy or worse, give a few bucks to a hobo for me. If it ends 4-3 Indy, I'll feel like pretty strong doubts were justified, but it just didn't quite happen, and no harm no foul. :)
A gentlemen's wager of $20 it is. :hifive:

Just so you know, the Wiz are now favored to win the series outright after taking game 1, somewhere in the -150 neighborhood. Indy had been favored before the series, at around -180.
Yeah, I'd assume most teams that win game one on the road get favorite's odds moving forward. My original comment wasn't meant to be a deep statistical peer into the odds, nor is it meant to suggest I see something in the odds that make it favorable for Indy. Just mentioning offhand that I have strong doubts about the Wiz. :shrug: Can't help it, I do. Would be a pleasure to see you enjoy your team's success though.
Nobody needs to explain to me why they have strong doubts about the Wizards. If I got hit by a bus today, the phrase "strong doubts about the Wizards" would probably be in my eulogy.

 
I can't shake the feeling that Indy will shake out of this and win the series. Maybe I just can't accept the idea of the bullets on the ECF.

 
I can't shake the feeling that Indy will shake out of this and win the series. Maybe I just can't accept the idea of the bullets on the ECF.
For all the focus on Hibbert, the dropoff in perimeter defense has been just a big a killer for the Pacers. Teams shot 34.5% on only 19 attempts a game vs. Indy in the regular season; in the postseason teams are shooting 36.2% on a mind-boggling 31 attempts per game. That's not on Hibbert- that's a dropoff in effort from George, Hill and Stephenson who should be working harder to deny those looks. The Wiz are an exceptional team behind the arc so it's an important issue, but it's an easy enough problem to fix. It's just a question of effort.

 

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