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Captain Quinoa said:
the moops said:
Talk if Utah and Cavs swapping picks 5 and 1. Cleveland gets Favors and the 5, Utah gets the 1 and selects Parker.

I like that move for Cleveland.
No thanks. Cavs desperately need a wing. Best available at 5 are all PF and they already have Thompson and Bennett. They need to take Wiggins. Unless there is a secondary move to trade 5 and/or one of the above PF for a vet wing player but I have no idea who that would be.
:lmao: at Thompson and Bennett dictating what the Cavs do with their top 5 pick.
Great reading. It's the whole roster dictating what they do. Best guys at 5 would be Vonleh, Gordon, or Smart. SO:

5- Favors, Varejao, Zeller

4- Thompson, Bennett, Vonleh/Gordon

3- Literally nothing James

2- Waiters, Jack

1- Irving, Delly

OR

5- Favors, Varejao, Zeller

4- Thompson, Bennett,

3- Literally nothing James

2- Waiters, Jack

1- Irving, Smart

Do either of those make more sense than taking Wiggins at 1?
How does that look?
Great, too bad it's not happening.
Is this a Todem alias? :)

 
Snotbubbles said:
Premier said:
Shame for Embiid. No way he goes top-3 now is there?
The Sixers GM Sam Hinkie is an analytics guy. Looking at his first draft with Philly (Noel, MCW and Kazemi) it's clear that the advanced stats rule the Sixers draft room as Noel was the top analytics guy in the draft and MCW and Kazemi were the top analytics guys available where the Sixers drafted. In this draft, Embiid laps the field analytically. When you factor in that the Sixers took Noel and sat him out the entire year due to injury, short of a bone density test coming back indicating that Embiid will continue to have fracture problems, I have a hard time believing they wouldn't draft Embiid.
Fair point. I think that you have to consider the expected value, though. What is the likelihood that Embiid can reach various levels of play? I'm really not sure that it is worth the risk at 3. If he falls to 10, that would be great.

If Exum could really be a 2 guard, I think that backcourt could be a nightmare matchup eventually. That would be interesting.

Otherwise, I think that they have to do everything they can to trade up for Wiggins, even if it means giving up the number 10 pick.

 
pollardsvision said:
Hornets uni FAQ: http://www.nba.com/hornets/hornets-uniform-faq

From I can tell, the word on the "pinstripes" might be just the side piping, and only on the left side. If I understood that correctly, no pinstripes in any way we'd normally think of pinstripes.

Going with road purple seemed a curious decision, but with the teal is light enough to use at home, and making it an alternate allows them to do that. The NBA only allows alternates to be used to 20 times/season, but I assume they'd use all of those. I hope there's no limit to using it in the playoffs. I figure they'll have about 20 Playoff games next season, and I hope a lot of those can be in teal.

Apparently, the NBA wouldn't allow them to just use the old logo or uni's. I don't think they would have anyway, but I didn't know the NBA had any sort of regulation on that.
They look nice, but I would expect the pinstripes to come back at some point.

 
Captain Quinoa said:
the moops said:
Talk if Utah and Cavs swapping picks 5 and 1. Cleveland gets Favors and the 5, Utah gets the 1 and selects Parker.

I like that move for Cleveland.
No thanks. Cavs desperately need a wing. Best available at 5 are all PF and they already have Thompson and Bennett. They need to take Wiggins. Unless there is a secondary move to trade 5 and/or one of the above PF for a vet wing player but I have no idea who that would be.
:lmao: at Thompson and Bennett dictating what the Cavs do with their top 5 pick.
Great reading. It's the whole roster dictating what they do. Best guys at 5 would be Vonleh, Gordon, or Smart. SO:

5- Favors, Varejao, Zeller

4- Thompson, Bennett, Vonleh/Gordon

3- Literally nothing

2- Waiters, Jack

1- Irving, Delly

OR

5- Favors, Varejao, Zeller

4- Thompson, Bennett,

3- Literally nothing

2- Waiters, Jack

1- Irving, Smart

Do either of those make more sense than taking Wiggins at 1?
Perhaps you're forgetting:

3- LeBron James

But no, neither of those rosters make sense without other moves.
:confused:

If the Cavs management approach this draft with a thought that Lebron James could be on their roster, they should be fired.
Well, they do have a ton of cap room as well, so it doesn't have to be LeBron. They have a ton of flexibility this year and just because the 3 isn't filled with the draft pick doesn't mean it can't be filled other ways.

 
Captain Quinoa said:
the moops said:
Talk if Utah and Cavs swapping picks 5 and 1. Cleveland gets Favors and the 5, Utah gets the 1 and selects Parker.

I like that move for Cleveland.
No thanks. Cavs desperately need a wing. Best available at 5 are all PF and they already have Thompson and Bennett. They need to take Wiggins. Unless there is a secondary move to trade 5 and/or one of the above PF for a vet wing player but I have no idea who that would be.
:lmao: at Thompson and Bennett dictating what the Cavs do with their top 5 pick.
Great reading. It's the whole roster dictating what they do. Best guys at 5 would be Vonleh, Gordon, or Smart. SO:

5- Favors, Varejao, Zeller

4- Thompson, Bennett, Vonleh/Gordon

3- Literally nothing James

2- Waiters, Jack

1- Irving, Delly

OR

5- Favors, Varejao, Zeller

4- Thompson, Bennett,

3- Literally nothing James

2- Waiters, Jack

1- Irving, Smart

Do either of those make more sense than taking Wiggins at 1?
How does that look?
Great, too bad it's not happening.
Is this a Todem alias? :)
Hey I'd love for him to come back. I just don't think it's happening, at least not this year. Unless he convinces Melo to come with him.

Slightly better chance he comes back next year if they prove to be at least a borderline playoff team this year without him.

 
Abraham said:
I won't be the least bit shocked if he slides to 7, 8, 9... This is indeed a deep draft with players that can immediately help ten deep. Noel was consensus #1 last year in a week class and a relatively routine injury dropped him like a rock. If embid makes it to the sixers second pick I won to be the least bit shocked.
I really, really hope he's gone before CHA picks at 9. Maybe that's dumb, I just have no interest in that hot potato. I'd rather have Russell Westbrook 2.0 or the white Curry.

It's really amazing what this has done to the draft.

 
Abraham said:
I won't be the least bit shocked if he slides to 7, 8, 9... This is indeed a deep draft with players that can immediately help ten deep. Noel was consensus #1 last year in a week class and a relatively routine injury dropped him like a rock. If embid makes it to the sixers second pick I won to be the least bit shocked.
I really, really hope he's gone before CHA picks at 9. Maybe that's dumb, I just have no interest in that hot potato. I'd rather have Russell Westbrook 2.0 or the white Curry.

It's really amazing what this has done to the draft.
who are you talking about?

 
Abraham said:
I won't be the least bit shocked if he slides to 7, 8, 9... This is indeed a deep draft with players that can immediately help ten deep. Noel was consensus #1 last year in a week class and a relatively routine injury dropped him like a rock. If embid makes it to the sixers second pick I won to be the least bit shocked.
I really, really hope he's gone before CHA picks at 9. Maybe that's dumb, I just have no interest in that hot potato. I'd rather have Russell Westbrook 2.0 or the white Curry.

It's really amazing what this has done to the draft.
who are you talking about?
LaVine
 
Kev4029 said:
Daywalker said:
Kev4029 said:
Daywalker said:
Kev4029 said:
Frostillicus said:
Word in Minnesota is Saunders doesn't want to go into rebuilding mode, which I hate but whatever. In that case if they can get Klay, Barnes, and Lee for Love and Martin you have to take it. Rubio/Klay/Barnes/Lee/Pekovic is at least competitive (yeah!). I'd much rather have them bottom out and get as many picks as possible from Boston, but I'd rather take the Golden State offer than the reported Nuggets offer (Faried, Chandler, Afflalo who would be acquired somehow).
Rather than include Afflalo, the Nuggets could include something like Darrell Arthur (just to make salaries work, he would be an expiring contract) and the 11th pick. Personally, as a pretend Wolves fan, I would prefer Faried (signing a $10m/yr contract a year from now)+Chandler (Making $6M)+Arthur (making $3M)+11th pick, rather than Thompson (signing a $15m/yr contract a year from now)+Lee (two more years at $15M)+Barnes. But either way they are selling for 50 cents on the dollar.

ETA: I really think trading him to Golden State is the worst thing they could do. Minnesota has gobs of money next offseason and I highly doubt that the Warriors would match Thompson's contract that he is bound to get, so they could just outright sign him a year from and trade Love to Boston or Denver or wherever for what I would perceive as a better offer anyway.
Why wouldn't GSW match any Thompson offer? Why would Thompson want to go to Minn when he's a RFA? He'll have lots of offers. Klay going to get max or near-max dollars. At worst GSW can sign and trade him if they think he's too pricey.
To match Thompson's likely max offer (which I contend will be ####### ridiculous), Golden State is going a ways into the luxury tax. I would be shopping the #### out of Thompson if I were the Warriors.

Thompson would sign with Minnesota because they might be the only team to sign him to a max contract, and he would be their alpha dog. Thompson should be looking for the best scenario to make money.

Sign and trades serve no purpose to either the receiving team or the player anymore, unless the player wants to go to a team that doesn't have the cap room to sign him outright. The team can't offer the player more years and money than signing with a different team then immediately trade him like in the past.
Klay a top 5 two-guard in the league. No chance GSW lets him walk nor is Minn the only team that will offer him huge money. Thompson doesn't need to worry about money. Just where he wants to play. Only reason Minn is in the conversation is because they could acquire his RFA rights.
Maybe so, but he isn't a top 50 player, and SGs are wholly replaceable unless they are elite. You can get very similar production to Thompson from a dozen guys for half of what he'll be looking for.Here is a list of guys that have fairly similar offensive games to Thompson, who are all on post rookie contracts making form $1M (Young) to $7M (Afflalo). There are a whole lot more guys that could fill that role too, Foye, JR Smith, Meeks, Korver, Ginobili, Ariza, Dunleavy... Overpaying for a wing is the worst thing you could do in this NBA.

If the argument is that his D lifts his value to double all those players I just listed, the fact that he could possibly be considered a top 5 SG shows that the talent pool isn't particularly strong (although it is deep), so a shutdown defender to guard the Trevor Arizas and Randy Foyes of the world isn't particularly important.
But what about a 2 guard that can check Chris Paul and Tony Parker like Klay does? That guy is very valuable.

 
Kev4029 said:
Daywalker said:
Kev4029 said:
Daywalker said:
Kev4029 said:
Frostillicus said:
Word in Minnesota is Saunders doesn't want to go into rebuilding mode, which I hate but whatever. In that case if they can get Klay, Barnes, and Lee for Love and Martin you have to take it. Rubio/Klay/Barnes/Lee/Pekovic is at least competitive (yeah!). I'd much rather have them bottom out and get as many picks as possible from Boston, but I'd rather take the Golden State offer than the reported Nuggets offer (Faried, Chandler, Afflalo who would be acquired somehow).
Rather than include Afflalo, the Nuggets could include something like Darrell Arthur (just to make salaries work, he would be an expiring contract) and the 11th pick. Personally, as a pretend Wolves fan, I would prefer Faried (signing a $10m/yr contract a year from now)+Chandler (Making $6M)+Arthur (making $3M)+11th pick, rather than Thompson (signing a $15m/yr contract a year from now)+Lee (two more years at $15M)+Barnes. But either way they are selling for 50 cents on the dollar.

ETA: I really think trading him to Golden State is the worst thing they could do. Minnesota has gobs of money next offseason and I highly doubt that the Warriors would match Thompson's contract that he is bound to get, so they could just outright sign him a year from and trade Love to Boston or Denver or wherever for what I would perceive as a better offer anyway.
Why wouldn't GSW match any Thompson offer? Why would Thompson want to go to Minn when he's a RFA? He'll have lots of offers. Klay going to get max or near-max dollars. At worst GSW can sign and trade him if they think he's too pricey.
To match Thompson's likely max offer (which I contend will be ####### ridiculous), Golden State is going a ways into the luxury tax. I would be shopping the #### out of Thompson if I were the Warriors.

Thompson would sign with Minnesota because they might be the only team to sign him to a max contract, and he would be their alpha dog. Thompson should be looking for the best scenario to make money.

Sign and trades serve no purpose to either the receiving team or the player anymore, unless the player wants to go to a team that doesn't have the cap room to sign him outright. The team can't offer the player more years and money than signing with a different team then immediately trade him like in the past.
Klay a top 5 two-guard in the league. No chance GSW lets him walk nor is Minn the only team that will offer him huge money. Thompson doesn't need to worry about money. Just where he wants to play. Only reason Minn is in the conversation is because they could acquire his RFA rights.
Maybe so, but he isn't a top 50 player, and SGs are wholly replaceable unless they are elite. You can get very similar production to Thompson from a dozen guys for half of what he'll be looking for.Here is a list of guys that have fairly similar offensive games to Thompson, who are all on post rookie contracts making form $1M (Young) to $7M (Afflalo). There are a whole lot more guys that could fill that role too, Foye, JR Smith, Meeks, Korver, Ginobili, Ariza, Dunleavy... Overpaying for a wing is the worst thing you could do in this NBA.

If the argument is that his D lifts his value to double all those players I just listed, the fact that he could possibly be considered a top 5 SG shows that the talent pool isn't particularly strong (although it is deep), so a shutdown defender to guard the Trevor Arizas and Randy Foyes of the world isn't particularly important.
But what about a 2 guard that can check Chris Paul and Tony Parker like Klay does? That guy is very valuable.
He's a really good player, in a better class than the guys Kev listed (Ginobli is closest but the age difference is big), and I like him quite a bit, but I don't know that I'd want my favorite team handing him a max deal either. I'd feel more comfortable giving him a deal in the $10M annual range. I know that doesn't land him, but I don't think you can put a championship contender together if you're paying him a whole lot more.

 
Max deals need to go to your two best players. It's possible klay Thompson can be one of the two best players on a team for sure. But that team isn't going to be winning any rings.

 
Hey man, it's easy to say Spo didn't do enough when the Heat are getting blown out. I'm challenging you to offer a viable solution. I'm telling you there is not one, the Spurs were just better. Prove me wrong (it's possible bud, i'm wrong all the time and mostly an idiot :lol: )
You're probably right that they couldn't have done too much with the lack of depth. Douglas and Cole aren't exactly good subs for Wade. Haslem and Ogden probably wouldn't have been less of a turnstile than Birdman.

But I'm big on switching things up and putting in high-energy players when you are getting killed. It would just really frustrate me as a fan to see them not even try something different. Seemed like they had the same attitude of inevitably that Todem espoused.

I don't think the Spurs were as superior as it looked over the last three games. Particularly last night where they weren't even shooting lights-out.
11 points in the 2nd period, 4 or 5 midway through the 3rd. I said that multiple times during the series in here that I thought the offense was the problem for Miami...and you know...you may be right. It's not like playing Beasley during game 3 would have hurt Miami any more...you can't shoot better than 100% or whatever SA shot that game(felt like 100% anyway). Unfortunately he didn't dress until game 5.Anyone ever notice that futbol looks a lot like Quidditch? I hope FIFA is proud of themselves, ripping off a sport from a fantasy writer.
I agree. But, you're right, they lack a player like Miller and even Allen/Lewis were hit or miss.
Let's not try to put this on Allen/Lewis.

 
Max deals need to go to your two best players. It's possible klay Thompson can be one of the two best players on a team for sure. But that team isn't going to be winning any rings.
How many teams even have two players worthy of max deals? I think only OKC can you say without any question.

 
Max deals need to go to your two best players. It's possible klay Thompson can be one of the two best players on a team for sure. But that team isn't going to be winning any rings.
How many teams even have two players worthy of max deals? I think only OKC can you say without any question.
Houston.

Clippers.
Yeah, those are the only other two that even came to mind, but I wouldn't be thrilled if I had Howard or Griffin on max deals. Sure they'll command it, but I'm not entirely convinced its justified and I'd rather have a few million from them to put to a solid bench player.

 
Griffin finished 3rd in MVP voting. Howard was second team all nba and finished with 18 and 12. They are both max guys.

 
Hey man, it's easy to say Spo didn't do enough when the Heat are getting blown out. I'm challenging you to offer a viable solution. I'm telling you there is not one, the Spurs were just better. Prove me wrong (it's possible bud, i'm wrong all the time and mostly an idiot :lol: )
You're probably right that they couldn't have done too much with the lack of depth. Douglas and Cole aren't exactly good subs for Wade. Haslem and Ogden probably wouldn't have been less of a turnstile than Birdman.

But I'm big on switching things up and putting in high-energy players when you are getting killed. It would just really frustrate me as a fan to see them not even try something different. Seemed like they had the same attitude of inevitably that Todem espoused.

I don't think the Spurs were as superior as it looked over the last three games. Particularly last night where they weren't even shooting lights-out.
11 points in the 2nd period, 4 or 5 midway through the 3rd. I said that multiple times during the series in here that I thought the offense was the problem for Miami...and you know...you may be right. It's not like playing Beasley during game 3 would have hurt Miami any more...you can't shoot better than 100% or whatever SA shot that game(felt like 100% anyway). Unfortunately he didn't dress until game 5.Anyone ever notice that futbol looks a lot like Quidditch? I hope FIFA is proud of themselves, ripping off a sport from a fantasy writer.
I agree. But, you're right, they lack a player like Miller and even Allen/Lewis were hit or miss.
Let's not try to put this on Allen/Lewis.
I'm not, but it would have a different story if they were knocking down the looks they had better. :shrug:

 
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Kev4029 said:
Daywalker said:
Kev4029 said:
Daywalker said:
Kev4029 said:
Frostillicus said:
Word in Minnesota is Saunders doesn't want to go into rebuilding mode, which I hate but whatever. In that case if they can get Klay, Barnes, and Lee for Love and Martin you have to take it. Rubio/Klay/Barnes/Lee/Pekovic is at least competitive (yeah!). I'd much rather have them bottom out and get as many picks as possible from Boston, but I'd rather take the Golden State offer than the reported Nuggets offer (Faried, Chandler, Afflalo who would be acquired somehow).
Rather than include Afflalo, the Nuggets could include something like Darrell Arthur (just to make salaries work, he would be an expiring contract) and the 11th pick. Personally, as a pretend Wolves fan, I would prefer Faried (signing a $10m/yr contract a year from now)+Chandler (Making $6M)+Arthur (making $3M)+11th pick, rather than Thompson (signing a $15m/yr contract a year from now)+Lee (two more years at $15M)+Barnes. But either way they are selling for 50 cents on the dollar.

ETA: I really think trading him to Golden State is the worst thing they could do. Minnesota has gobs of money next offseason and I highly doubt that the Warriors would match Thompson's contract that he is bound to get, so they could just outright sign him a year from and trade Love to Boston or Denver or wherever for what I would perceive as a better offer anyway.
Why wouldn't GSW match any Thompson offer? Why would Thompson want to go to Minn when he's a RFA? He'll have lots of offers. Klay going to get max or near-max dollars. At worst GSW can sign and trade him if they think he's too pricey.
To match Thompson's likely max offer (which I contend will be ####### ridiculous), Golden State is going a ways into the luxury tax. I would be shopping the #### out of Thompson if I were the Warriors.

Thompson would sign with Minnesota because they might be the only team to sign him to a max contract, and he would be their alpha dog. Thompson should be looking for the best scenario to make money.

Sign and trades serve no purpose to either the receiving team or the player anymore, unless the player wants to go to a team that doesn't have the cap room to sign him outright. The team can't offer the player more years and money than signing with a different team then immediately trade him like in the past.
Klay a top 5 two-guard in the league. No chance GSW lets him walk nor is Minn the only team that will offer him huge money. Thompson doesn't need to worry about money. Just where he wants to play. Only reason Minn is in the conversation is because they could acquire his RFA rights.
Maybe so, but he isn't a top 50 player, and SGs are wholly replaceable unless they are elite. You can get very similar production to Thompson from a dozen guys for half of what he'll be looking for.Here is a list of guys that have fairly similar offensive games to Thompson, who are all on post rookie contracts making form $1M (Young) to $7M (Afflalo). There are a whole lot more guys that could fill that role too, Foye, JR Smith, Meeks, Korver, Ginobili, Ariza, Dunleavy... Overpaying for a wing is the worst thing you could do in this NBA.

If the argument is that his D lifts his value to double all those players I just listed, the fact that he could possibly be considered a top 5 SG shows that the talent pool isn't particularly strong (although it is deep), so a shutdown defender to guard the Trevor Arizas and Randy Foyes of the world isn't particularly important.
But what about a 2 guard that can check Chris Paul and Tony Parker like Klay does? That guy is very valuable.
He's a really good player, in a better class than the guys Kev listed (Ginobli is closest but the age difference is big), and I like him quite a bit, but I don't know that I'd want my favorite team handing him a max deal either. I'd feel more comfortable giving him a deal in the $10M annual range. I know that doesn't land him, but I don't think you can put a championship contender together if you're paying him a whole lot more.
He may be better than the guys I linked, but the statistics don't show that. He doesn't do anything on the offensive end other than hit threes, which he does incredibly well, but advanced stats don't like him because he is allergic to the free throw line, doesn't pass or rebound well and doesn't use a lot of possessions. He's a 3 and D guy, not somebody that you can run an offensive through. I think he has officially become the most overrated player in the NBA.

 
Kev4029 said:
Daywalker said:
Kev4029 said:
Daywalker said:
Kev4029 said:
Frostillicus said:
Word in Minnesota is Saunders doesn't want to go into rebuilding mode, which I hate but whatever. In that case if they can get Klay, Barnes, and Lee for Love and Martin you have to take it. Rubio/Klay/Barnes/Lee/Pekovic is at least competitive (yeah!). I'd much rather have them bottom out and get as many picks as possible from Boston, but I'd rather take the Golden State offer than the reported Nuggets offer (Faried, Chandler, Afflalo who would be acquired somehow).
Rather than include Afflalo, the Nuggets could include something like Darrell Arthur (just to make salaries work, he would be an expiring contract) and the 11th pick. Personally, as a pretend Wolves fan, I would prefer Faried (signing a $10m/yr contract a year from now)+Chandler (Making $6M)+Arthur (making $3M)+11th pick, rather than Thompson (signing a $15m/yr contract a year from now)+Lee (two more years at $15M)+Barnes. But either way they are selling for 50 cents on the dollar.

ETA: I really think trading him to Golden State is the worst thing they could do. Minnesota has gobs of money next offseason and I highly doubt that the Warriors would match Thompson's contract that he is bound to get, so they could just outright sign him a year from and trade Love to Boston or Denver or wherever for what I would perceive as a better offer anyway.
Why wouldn't GSW match any Thompson offer? Why would Thompson want to go to Minn when he's a RFA? He'll have lots of offers. Klay going to get max or near-max dollars. At worst GSW can sign and trade him if they think he's too pricey.
To match Thompson's likely max offer (which I contend will be ####### ridiculous), Golden State is going a ways into the luxury tax. I would be shopping the #### out of Thompson if I were the Warriors.

Thompson would sign with Minnesota because they might be the only team to sign him to a max contract, and he would be their alpha dog. Thompson should be looking for the best scenario to make money.

Sign and trades serve no purpose to either the receiving team or the player anymore, unless the player wants to go to a team that doesn't have the cap room to sign him outright. The team can't offer the player more years and money than signing with a different team then immediately trade him like in the past.
Klay a top 5 two-guard in the league. No chance GSW lets him walk nor is Minn the only team that will offer him huge money. Thompson doesn't need to worry about money. Just where he wants to play. Only reason Minn is in the conversation is because they could acquire his RFA rights.
Maybe so, but he isn't a top 50 player, and SGs are wholly replaceable unless they are elite. You can get very similar production to Thompson from a dozen guys for half of what he'll be looking for.Here is a list of guys that have fairly similar offensive games to Thompson, who are all on post rookie contracts making form $1M (Young) to $7M (Afflalo). There are a whole lot more guys that could fill that role too, Foye, JR Smith, Meeks, Korver, Ginobili, Ariza, Dunleavy... Overpaying for a wing is the worst thing you could do in this NBA.

If the argument is that his D lifts his value to double all those players I just listed, the fact that he could possibly be considered a top 5 SG shows that the talent pool isn't particularly strong (although it is deep), so a shutdown defender to guard the Trevor Arizas and Randy Foyes of the world isn't particularly important.
But what about a 2 guard that can check Chris Paul and Tony Parker like Klay does? That guy is very valuable.
Thompson has done a bang up job of checking those two.

Paul

Parker

 
Hey man, it's easy to say Spo didn't do enough when the Heat are getting blown out. I'm challenging you to offer a viable solution. I'm telling you there is not one, the Spurs were just better. Prove me wrong (it's possible bud, i'm wrong all the time and mostly an idiot :lol: )
You're probably right that they couldn't have done too much with the lack of depth. Douglas and Cole aren't exactly good subs for Wade. Haslem and Ogden probably wouldn't have been less of a turnstile than Birdman.

But I'm big on switching things up and putting in high-energy players when you are getting killed. It would just really frustrate me as a fan to see them not even try something different. Seemed like they had the same attitude of inevitably that Todem espoused.

I don't think the Spurs were as superior as it looked over the last three games. Particularly last night where they weren't even shooting lights-out.
11 points in the 2nd period, 4 or 5 midway through the 3rd. I said that multiple times during the series in here that I thought the offense was the problem for Miami...and you know...you may be right. It's not like playing Beasley during game 3 would have hurt Miami any more...you can't shoot better than 100% or whatever SA shot that game(felt like 100% anyway). Unfortunately he didn't dress until game 5.Anyone ever notice that futbol looks a lot like Quidditch? I hope FIFA is proud of themselves, ripping off a sport from a fantasy writer.
I agree. But, you're right, they lack a player like Miller and even Allen/Lewis were hit or miss.
Let's not try to put this on Allen/Lewis.
I personally blame Mike Bibby.

 
I know all these options are a long shots, but why has WAS not been mentioned at all?

It's a better situation than CLE, and without "the letter situation". LeBron and Wall driving the lane with Beal and Webster knocking down 3's (on cheap contracts). It could get ugly.

They'd need a cheap rim protector, but so does MIA.

WAS and ATL both make more sense than CLE or MIA to me.

Wall, Beal, Nene, and Webster will make $36.5 mill combined next year. Bosh and Wade could be making $41 mill, unless they are feeling very generous.
:lol:

Your killing me.
Lowe doesn't think the LeBron to ATL idea is a bad one.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/surveying-the-lebron-landscape/

Atlanta HawksGo ahead, laugh it up. The Hawks might be the most consistently successful punch line in sports. People mock their dead crowds, their hallowed tradition of playing first-round games on NBA TV, and their uncanny ability to peak at “pretty good” during high times.

But Atlanta could clear about $17 million for LeBron if it salary-dumps Lou Williams onto one of many, many teams slated to have enough space to soak up his deal. That’s not LeBron’s max, but it’s close. If LeBron is willing to take a haircut, he’s going to do it in Miami, but this is a fun roster to contemplate.

Good freaking luck trying to guard a starting lineup of Jeff Teague, LeBron, Kyle Korver, Paul Millsap, and Al Horford. That is a ton of shooting and creativity, and if you play stretches with Pero Antic in Horford’s spot, the degree of 3-point shooting reaches scary levels. There’s enough defense among the LeBron-Millsap-Horford trio for the Hawks to survive on that end, and Mike Budenholzer would have them playing a sound system.

The Hawks under Budenholzer and Danny Ferry are trying to build the Spurs East, only with more 3-point shooting. (Budenholzer is a shooting zealot, and was known as Matt Bonner’s strongest backer on the Spurs’ coaching staff.) They want high-IQ players who keep the machine moving, share the ball, and shoot from range. Ball-stoppers need not apply. You think LeBron fits that vision? Duh.

Atlanta’s cap sheet is lean enough that it could ink LeBron to a big long-term deal and still have plenty of flexibility to continue building the roster around him.

LeBron could even bike to games with Harry the Hawk.

 
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Word in Minnesota is Saunders doesn't want to go into rebuilding mode, which I hate but whatever. In that case if they can get Klay, Barnes, and Lee for Love and Martin you have to take it. Rubio/Klay/Barnes/Lee/Pekovic is at least competitive (yeah!). I'd much rather have them bottom out and get as many picks as possible from Boston, but I'd rather take the Golden State offer than the reported Nuggets offer (Faried, Chandler, Afflalo who would be acquired somehow).
Rather than include Afflalo, the Nuggets could include something like Darrell Arthur (just to make salaries work, he would be an expiring contract) and the 11th pick. Personally, as a pretend Wolves fan, I would prefer Faried (signing a $10m/yr contract a year from now)+Chandler (Making $6M)+Arthur (making $3M)+11th pick, rather than Thompson (signing a $15m/yr contract a year from now)+Lee (two more years at $15M)+Barnes. But either way they are selling for 50 cents on the dollar.

ETA: I really think trading him to Golden State is the worst thing they could do. Minnesota has gobs of money next offseason and I highly doubt that the Warriors would match Thompson's contract that he is bound to get, so they could just outright sign him a year from and trade Love to Boston or Denver or wherever for what I would perceive as a better offer anyway.
Why wouldn't GSW match any Thompson offer? Why would Thompson want to go to Minn when he's a RFA? He'll have lots of offers. Klay going to get max or near-max dollars. At worst GSW can sign and trade him if they think he's too pricey.
To match Thompson's likely max offer (which I contend will be ####### ridiculous), Golden State is going a ways into the luxury tax. I would be shopping the #### out of Thompson if I were the Warriors.

Thompson would sign with Minnesota because they might be the only team to sign him to a max contract, and he would be their alpha dog. Thompson should be looking for the best scenario to make money.

Sign and trades serve no purpose to either the receiving team or the player anymore, unless the player wants to go to a team that doesn't have the cap room to sign him outright. The team can't offer the player more years and money than signing with a different team then immediately trade him like in the past.
Klay a top 5 two-guard in the league. No chance GSW lets him walk nor is Minn the only team that will offer him huge money. Thompson doesn't need to worry about money. Just where he wants to play. Only reason Minn is in the conversation is because they could acquire his RFA rights.
Maybe so, but he isn't a top 50 player, and SGs are wholly replaceable unless they are elite. You can get very similar production to Thompson from a dozen guys for half of what he'll be looking for.Here is a list of guys that have fairly similar offensive games to Thompson, who are all on post rookie contracts making form $1M (Young) to $7M (Afflalo). There are a whole lot more guys that could fill that role too, Foye, JR Smith, Meeks, Korver, Ginobili, Ariza, Dunleavy... Overpaying for a wing is the worst thing you could do in this NBA.

If the argument is that his D lifts his value to double all those players I just listed, the fact that he could possibly be considered a top 5 SG shows that the talent pool isn't particularly strong (although it is deep), so a shutdown defender to guard the Trevor Arizas and Randy Foyes of the world isn't particularly important.
But what about a 2 guard that can check Chris Paul and Tony Parker like Klay does? That guy is very valuable.
He's a really good player, in a better class than the guys Kev listed (Ginobli is closest but the age difference is big), and I like him quite a bit, but I don't know that I'd want my favorite team handing him a max deal either. I'd feel more comfortable giving him a deal in the $10M annual range. I know that doesn't land him, but I don't think you can put a championship contender together if you're paying him a whole lot more.
He may be better than the guys I linked, but the statistics don't show that. He doesn't do anything on the offensive end other than hit threes, which he does incredibly well, but advanced stats don't like him because he is allergic to the free throw line, doesn't pass or rebound well and doesn't use a lot of possessions. He's a 3 and D guy, not somebody that you can run an offensive through. I think he has officially become the most overrated player in the NBA.
To be fair, that's the role they've defined for him. Certainly it remains to be seen if he could be something other/better than that.

 
4-6 month recovery for Embid
Perfectly fine for me. Noel sat a whole year. Why is letting Embiid sit so scary now?
Nobody gives a crap about Embiid missing time this year. It's the possibility of drafting a big with bad feet and a bad back part.That, and drafting Noel didn't really mean passing up a really good chance to get a great player.

Hell, speaking of Noel, look how far his injury caused him to drop in a draft where Anthony freaking Bennett went number 1 overall. Bennett probably wouldn't go in the top 20 this year.

 
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4-6 month recovery for Embid
Perfectly fine for me. Noel sat a whole year. Why is letting Embiid sit so scary now?
Depends. Noel went 6 in a terrible draft. Not the same thing.
And Embiid is supposedly a much better prospect. Sixers are building for 16-17. Hinkie has shown he will take the best guy according to analytics on his board. If he feels thats Exum so be it. I feel it will be Embiid though.

 
4-6 month recovery for Embid
Perfectly fine for me. Noel sat a whole year. Why is letting Embiid sit so scary now?
Nobody gives a crap about Embiid missing time this year. It's the possibility of drafting a big with bad feet and a bad back part.That, and drafting Noel didn't really mean passing up a really good chance to get a great player.

Hell, speaking of Noel, look how far his injury caused him to drop in a draft where Anthony freaking Bennett went number 1 overall. Bennett probably wouldn't go in the top 20 this year.
What great player are we missing out on?

 
I would still take Embiid #1 and not think twice about it. Of course, my resume in building winners is weak at best.

You need all stars to win championships.

Embiid

Wiggins

Parker

Exum

Vonleh

Smart

 
4-6 month recovery for Embid
Perfectly fine for me. Noel sat a whole year. Why is letting Embiid sit so scary now?
Nobody gives a crap about Embiid missing time this year. It's the possibility of drafting a big with bad feet and a bad back part.That, and drafting Noel didn't really mean passing up a really good chance to get a great player.

Hell, speaking of Noel, look how far his injury caused him to drop in a draft where Anthony freaking Bennett went number 1 overall. Bennett probably wouldn't go in the top 20 this year.
particularly after seeing his performance this year.

 
4-6 month recovery for Embid
Perfectly fine for me. Noel sat a whole year. Why is letting Embiid sit so scary now?
Nobody gives a crap about Embiid missing time this year. It's the possibility of drafting a big with bad feet and a bad back part.That, and drafting Noel didn't really mean passing up a really good chance to get a great player.

Hell, speaking of Noel, look how far his injury caused him to drop in a draft where Anthony freaking Bennett went number 1 overall. Bennett probably wouldn't go in the top 20 this year.
What great player are we missing out on?
Exum.

I understand your point, though.

 
4-6 month recovery for Embid
Perfectly fine for me. Noel sat a whole year. Why is letting Embiid sit so scary now?
Nobody gives a crap about Embiid missing time this year. It's the possibility of drafting a big with bad feet and a bad back part.That, and drafting Noel didn't really mean passing up a really good chance to get a great player.

Hell, speaking of Noel, look how far his injury caused him to drop in a draft where Anthony freaking Bennett went number 1 overall. Bennett probably wouldn't go in the top 20 this year.
Where would Noel go today if we redid the entire draft from last year with the information we have now? It was obviously short sighted to take a guy like Bennett ahead of him last year, along with several other guys that went before him IMO. I wouldn't say these were examples of good moves, if anything it shows the risk in drafting for the upcoming season that high in the draft.

 
4-6 month recovery for Embid
Perfectly fine for me. Noel sat a whole year. Why is letting Embiid sit so scary now?
Nobody gives a crap about Embiid missing time this year. It's the possibility of drafting a big with bad feet and a bad back part.That, and drafting Noel didn't really mean passing up a really good chance to get a great player.

Hell, speaking of Noel, look how far his injury caused him to drop in a draft where Anthony freaking Bennett went number 1 overall. Bennett probably wouldn't go in the top 20 this year.
What great player are we missing out on?
Exum.

I understand your point, though.
Say Exum is good to great, is that a game changer? Is having a good to great point guard the piece you need to build a championship team especially when you have a potential good PG already? How about an athletic 4 that has the potential for good to greatness? Seems like the upside is worth the risk with the 4 than the 1.

 
You need pretty good players too. Missing out on possible greatness is bad, but next worst is missing out on possible pretty-goodness because you took a guy with injury risk. I don't know if exum will be an all star, but I know he hasn't had a broken back and broken foot in the last six months.

You also have to realize that embid isn't exactly Ewing or Hakeem or even Davis coming out of school. Those guys were pretty polished already. What if embids amazing footwork and athleticism don't keep translating to basketball skills? This is exactly how tyrus Thomas ended up as such a high pick. It's a bit of a gamble thinking that his clear athletisim will necessarily translate in to basketbLl dominance. Add in the injuries and there are multiple risks.

 
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Might have been discussed, but does anybody think Lebron to Houston is significantly better than 20:1? Cause that's effectively what you're getting.

 
You need pretty good players too. Missing out on possible greatness is bad, but next worst is missing out on possible pretty-goodness because you took a guy with injury risk. I don't know if exum will be an all star, but I know he hasn't had a broken back and broken foot in the last six months.
Yes but if you have MCW already is the difference between good and pretty great that vast to take another guy at the same position?If we didnt have MCW already, this wouldnt even be a question now. You take Exum. I just dont see how Exum and MCW works just like some dont see Noel and Embiid. Big athletic guys to me is a better dynamic than mid sized guards that dont shoot.

 
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