Kev4029
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Have you ever left Pennsylvania? I suspect if you had, you would have your answer.
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Kev4029
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Orlando and San Antonio have never been destinations, they just have really drafted well, historically.
Cliff Clavin
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That and Abe's criteria.
Philly has a terrible recent history and zero supporting cast.
Tom Hagen
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Most Sixers fans probably think those odds are better than the odds of a Holliday-Young-Iguodala led team winning anything. Since Iverson left the franchise has been irrelevant. Between bad trades, bad contracts and bad drafts fans had given up hope.
It has been a long time since the team has contended but the fans still think of it as the franchise of Wilt, Doc, Moses and Charles and the perpetual cycle of being the 7th or 8th seed and getting knocked out early is excruciating. The chances of Hinkie's plan working are slim, but unlike Billy King and Ed Stefanski he at least has a plan. Hinkie is selling hope and 76ers fans haven't had any of that in a decade.
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Orlando has done very well with big name free agents. Pulled in Grant Hill and McGrady when they were mega-names and had Duncan basically signed before he changed his mind.
They haven't even active in years because of severe cap damage though.
pollardsvision
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With so few truly special stars ever leaving via free-agency, it's really hard to say what the best FA destinations are.
After the Knicks and Lakers, it seems any team with a checkbook, good teammates, good weather, and an owner that's not a complete moron can get good FA's (the latter is highly negotiable).
Most would call CHI a top tier FA destination, but without Jordan, who's been their best free-agent acquisition? Carlos Boozer? They've got a great team and all kinds of ways to get cap space at the moment. Still feels like they are having to work too hard to get Melo there.
Dallas is a big FA destination. Even with Dirk, who's their big get? Old Kidd? Old Marion?
Memphis would be considered a terrible FA destination by most. They landed a 28 YO Zach Randolph, one of the best FA signings of the last decade.
Bad FA destinations are said to have to overpay flawed FA's (like maybe Randolph at the time and Al Jefferson), but flawed and overpaid ends up describing 98% of FA's.
After the Knicks and Lakers, it seems any team with a checkbook, good teammates, good weather, and an owner that's not a complete moron can get good FA's (the latter is highly negotiable).
Most would call CHI a top tier FA destination, but without Jordan, who's been their best free-agent acquisition? Carlos Boozer? They've got a great team and all kinds of ways to get cap space at the moment. Still feels like they are having to work too hard to get Melo there.
Dallas is a big FA destination. Even with Dirk, who's their big get? Old Kidd? Old Marion?
Memphis would be considered a terrible FA destination by most. They landed a 28 YO Zach Randolph, one of the best FA signings of the last decade.
Bad FA destinations are said to have to overpay flawed FA's (like maybe Randolph at the time and Al Jefferson), but flawed and overpaid ends up describing 98% of FA's.
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Bigboy10182000
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I have left...been to roughly 30 other states but to my knowledge that wasnt part of the criteria, right?
We lose on recent history since we only had 1 playoff apperance in the past 5 years and the surrounding cast is nothing to speak of right now. I was more focused on the middle two. SAre we really run that poorly? Is our ownership (since 2011) that bad as well? I'm seriously asking. I havent followed basketball as close as I used to but there's a lot of names above ours that seem like they also have no supporting cast and a crap history as well.
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Abraham
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I would be interested in a list of the richest deals signed by players that were NOT extensions,meaning S&T are out. Melo doesn't count. Neither does Derron Williams. Same with Harden. I'm talkiing about biggest deals for guys that simply walked across the street to a new team leaving nothing to the old team. Boozer? J Smoove? Howard?
Kev4029
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They had one good offseason 14 years ago by overpaying for McGrady (at the time, obviously a good signing) and signing an already injured Grant Hill. To sign Grant Hill they traded away Ben Wallace, and during Hill's tenure the most games they won was 44.
Like Premier said, they were this close to getting Duncan and also landed Rashard Lewis. They have as much a claim to being a FA destination as anyone except maybe Miami. Arguing that being a FA destination doesn't necessarily translate into wins is a different argument.
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People are really getting sideways on this.
The team, in and of itself, might not be a huge draw. But just on the merits listed above, there's not much difference among the bottom third or so of teams, desirability-wise. Factor in that Philly is the 6th largest metro area and 4th most lucrative media market in the country, and that a star in that market has media reach into NY and DC as well, and putting it below any of the teams up through 21 is nonsense.
There's nothing except relatively recent history suggesting otherwise. Philly has been and could easily be again a major draw. Way more so that Utah, Sactown, Toronto, et al could conceivably be even if they ticked every box on the desirability checklist.
Juxtatarot
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Yes, but they won't have enough money for Melo unless they dump others -- probably even Gibson. They want to do a sign-and-trade so they can keep Gibson. A sign-and-trade would also allow them to have the MLE which they want to keep for Mirotic (assuming he isn't traded) or sign another player for depth.
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Insein
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Theres a shelf life to it. If were still top 5 lottery in 15-16 & 16-17 then the same fans wont be nearly as patient. But this is the ground floor of this build. Just having Noel, Grant, McDaniels, Jackson and McRae is better than any starting lineup they put out last year. Plus they will add some free agents because they have too. This team should win between 25-35 games next year. Which is progression.
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Philly has a good basketball tradition though. Wilt, dr. J, iverson. Temple and Villanova and St. Joes all good basketball programs with followings. Philly is 4-6 market size in the country. Lots to do in the city and some nice suburbs as well. It certainly could be a destination city.
Kev4029
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The same could be said about Detroit and we don't see people rushing there either.
Leeroy Jenkins
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About the only thing Detroit and Philly have in common are corrupt unions.
Kev4029
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Not all that relevant to anything, but here is a picture of Jursuf Nurkic's (the Nuggets pick at 16) dad that Lowe had in his article. His hand is as wide as a pint glass is tall. Pretty good article, as well, if people want to read a little about the Nuggets or 6ers.
Philly also covered in the article. I'm still digesting how Orlando could give up Philly's #1 in 2017. That and the Holiday trade are master strokes.
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elguapo07
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BOS has more titles than the entire league combined less LAL, CHI, SA, DET, MIA and 76ers, The Celtics leprechaun has more tradition and history in his left nut than 1/2 the teams in the league have. BOS has a quite a few draft picks over the next few years and an aggressive GM and has positioned itself to turn it around quickly.
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I may be totally wrong about this, but my understanding is it would take some freak things to happen for it to be a #1 in 2017. Likely would've reverted back to a #2 pick by then.
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got_nugs
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It would be kinda funny for the thread if the Heat traded Norris Cole for a PG. I suppose you guys would still be correct in pointing out that Cole isn't good enough to move up for Napier.
Again this is Bucher and the next time he reports something accurate about the Heat (or any team aside from Golden State) would be the 1st.
Again this is Bucher and the next time he reports something accurate about the Heat (or any team aside from Golden State) would be the 1st.
pollardsvision
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Lowry to the Heat would be huge. I guess they are the only decent team with cap space where he'd start or not push out a well liked incumbent starter.
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Ric Bucher is the absolute worst. Tom Ziller's twitter timeline has a nice recounting of some of the major stories he's whiffed on lately.E.g., http://thebiglead.com/2012/08/09/espns-ric-bucher-rips-yahoos-adrian-wojnarowski-over-dwight-howard-trade-report-then-espn-reports-the-deal-is-close/
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@RicBucher: My deepest and sincere apologies. My report on Lowry and a S&T between the Raptors-Heat is wrong. I should've known better. I could not...
@RicBucher: ...be more embarrassed. I can't explain why someone would go the lengths "my source" did to set me up, but that's irrelevant. I allowed...
@RicBucher: my zeal to break a story take too much for granted. I'd like to think I'm better than that. Yesterday and today I was not.
how does he keep a job.
@RicBucher: ...be more embarrassed. I can't explain why someone would go the lengths "my source" did to set me up, but that's irrelevant. I allowed...
@RicBucher: my zeal to break a story take too much for granted. I'd like to think I'm better than that. Yesterday and today I was not.
how does he keep a job.Leeroy Jenkins
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Just saw that. Wow.@RicBucher: My deepest and sincere apologies. My report on Lowry and a S&T between the Raptors-Heat is wrong. I should've known better. I could not...
@RicBucher: ...be more embarrassed. I can't explain why someone would go the lengths "my source" did to set me up, but that's irrelevant. I allowed...
@RicBucher: my zeal to break a story take too much for granted. I'd like to think I'm better than that. Yesterday and today I was not.
Todem
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A perfect example of what's wrong today about sports reporting in this over zealous twitter infested nightmare of a world we live in.@RicBucher: My deepest and sincere apologies. My report on Lowry and a S&T between the Raptors-Heat is wrong. I should've known better. I could not...
@RicBucher: ...be more embarrassed. I can't explain why someone would go the lengths "my source" did to set me up, but that's irrelevant. I allowed...
@RicBucher: my zeal to break a story take too much for granted. I'd like to think I'm better than that. Yesterday and today I was not.
LOL.
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Juxtatarot
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Rotoworld, multiple twitter sources:
According to multiple reports Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh will opt out of their deals and become free agents.
This is pretty good news if you're a Heat fan hoping to hang onto LeBron, since Wade in particular has zero financial reason to adjust his deal unless he's doing it for the greater good. We'll clean this report up as details emerge.
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