*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (2 Viewers)

[Abraham]

Irving, Martin , and love are all terrible defenders.

 

[pollardsvision]

I bet the T-Wolves are really hoping LeBron picks CLE. Varejao + Wiggins + 29/30th for Love isn't bad at all. Especially if they can flip Verejao for more youth and Wiggins lives up to his hype.

Is Varejao part of the rumored offer? Who plays Center for the Cavs then?

Can they make it work cap-wise without him? Haven't messed with NBA trade app yet.Thompson would be my guess, unless they can sign a quality vet ring chaser on the cheap like a J.O'Neal?

Yeah, looks like Varejao might have to go in that deal. Which I think hurts the Cavs pretty bad this season.

Pretty sure they can do it without Varejao especially if they add Gee. I think they just need to get within 5 million of Love's salary. So Thompson and Wiggins will probably get you over $10 million right there. The big question is whether you try to make it without Wiggins or what other young guys they try and keep. Not sure if there are more restrictions for going over the cap though. Also be interesting if they try to trade Waiters or whoever else stays for a more veteran piece. Maybe even try to get Martin from the Wolves. Starting line up of Irving, Martin, James, Love, and Varejao sounds nice. Or maybe go after Shumper or Tony Allen for defense.

Gee is a Hornet

 

[Frostillicus]

I bet the T-Wolves are really hoping LeBron picks CLE. Varejao + Wiggins + 29/30th for Love isn't bad at all. Especially if they can flip Verejao for more youth and Wiggins lives up to his hype.

Yep.

 

[sporthenry]

I bet the T-Wolves are really hoping LeBron picks CLE. Varejao + Wiggins + 29/30th for Love isn't bad at all. Especially if they can flip Verejao for more youth and Wiggins lives up to his hype.

Is Varejao part of the rumored offer? Who plays Center for the Cavs then?

Can they make it work cap-wise without him? Haven't messed with NBA trade app yet.Thompson would be my guess, unless they can sign a quality vet ring chaser on the cheap like a J.O'Neal?

Yeah, looks like Varejao might have to go in that deal. Which I think hurts the Cavs pretty bad this season.

Pretty sure they can do it without Varejao especially if they add Gee. I think they just need to get within 5 million of Love's salary. So Thompson and Wiggins will probably get you over $10 million right there. The big question is whether you try to make it without Wiggins or what other young guys they try and keep. Not sure if there are more restrictions for going over the cap though. Also be interesting if they try to trade Waiters or whoever else stays for a more veteran piece. Maybe even try to get Martin from the Wolves. Starting line up of Irving, Martin, James, Love, and Varejao sounds nice. Or maybe go after Shumper or Tony Allen for defense.

Gee is a Hornet

Haywood. Same thing.

 

[sporthenry]

Irving, Martin , and love are all terrible defenders.

Waiters isn't a very good defender either.

 

[Mario Kart]

ESPN special on yet?

 

[scoobus]

I bet the T-Wolves are really hoping LeBron picks CLE. Varejao + Wiggins + 29/30th for Love isn't bad at all. Especially if they can flip Verejao for more youth and Wiggins lives up to his hype.

Is Varejao part of the rumored offer? Who plays Center for the Cavs then?

Can they make it work cap-wise without him? Haven't messed with NBA trade app yet.Thompson would be my guess, unless they can sign a quality vet ring chaser on the cheap like a J.O'Neal?

Yeah, looks like Varejao might have to go in that deal. Which I think hurts the Cavs pretty bad this season.

Pretty sure they can do it without Varejao especially if they add Gee. I think they just need to get within 5 million of Love's salary. So Thompson and Wiggins will probably get you over $10 million right there. The big question is whether you try to make it without Wiggins or what other young guys they try and keep. Not sure if there are more restrictions for going over the cap though. Also be interesting if they try to trade Waiters or whoever else stays for a more veteran piece. Maybe even try to get Martin from the Wolves. Starting line up of Irving, Martin, James, Love, and Varejao sounds nice. Or maybe go after Shumper or Tony Allen for defense.

Gee is a Hornet

Haywood. Same thing.

Reports coming out the Jazz will match the offer sheet

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24614289/report-utah-jazz-will-match-offer-sheet-to-gordon-hayward

Brendan Haywood

 

[Todem]

So Todem, LeBron stays with MIA but signs a max 2 year deal with the 2nd year being a player option, what does Bosh do?

Sign the same deal?

I think 4 years with the 4th year a player option,

Minimum 3 years with third year player option.

Bosh gets a max deal here. My feeling is they are going to ride this for the next 2-3 years and Bosh retires here with Wade.

I think that entire meeting last night was all about Lebron's contract.

Just announce this already so this madness can stop. And the sad thing is when did anyone from Lebrons team talk to Cleveland? Absolutely not one reporter can confirm that at all.

The only fact is Lebron met with Bosh and Wade. Has hung out with Wade in Vegas and met with Riley.

Thats it.

He is signing here,

 

[Frostillicus]

I bet the T-Wolves are really hoping LeBron picks CLE. Varejao + Wiggins + 29/30th for Love isn't bad at all. Especially if they can flip Verejao for more youth and Wiggins lives up to his hype.

Is Varejao part of the rumored offer? Who plays Center for the Cavs then?

Can they make it work cap-wise without him? Haven't messed with NBA trade app yet.

Thompson would be my guess, unless they can sign a quality vet ring chaser on the cheap like a J.O'Neal?

Yeah, looks like Varejao might have to go in that deal. Which I think hurts the Cavs pretty bad this season.

Pretty sure they can do it without Varejao especially if they add Gee. I think they just need to get within 5 million of Love's salary. So Thompson and Wiggins will probably get you over $10 million right there. The big question is whether you try to make it without Wiggins or what other young guys they try and keep.

Not sure if there are more restrictions for going over the cap though. Also be interesting if they try to trade Waiters or whoever else stays for a more veteran piece. Maybe even try to get Martin from the Wolves. Starting line up of Irving, Martin, James, Love, and Varejao sounds nice. Or maybe go after Shumper or Tony Allen for defense.

Zero chance the Wolves trade Love to Cleveland without getting Wiggins.

 

[sporthenry]

And the sad thing is when did anyone from Lebrons team talk to Cleveland? Absolutely not one reporter can confirm that at all.

Didn't Rich Paul meet with the Cavs?

 

[Abraham]

If Chris bosh leaves 40 million dollars on the table to spend the rest of his prime playing with James and a one legged shooting guard then he isn't as smart as people think.

 

[popeye]

ESPN special on yet?

It would be for Lebron to replace one word in his announcement with 'boobs'.

 

[Todem]

And the sad thing is when did anyone from Lebrons team talk to Cleveland? Absolutely not one reporter can confirm that at all.

Didn't Rich Paul meet with the Cavs?

Says who?

 

[Abraham]

Uh, it's everywhere including a fresh round of stories three days ago saying Paul wants to bring James back to Cleveland.

 

[Freelove]

Yeah, just google his name and click the news tab. Meetings with Cavs in the last week are prominently mentioned.

 

[sporthenry]

Zero chance the Wolves trade Love to Cleveland without getting Wiggins.

Who else is in on the Love sweepstakes? 3 teams interested and have enough are probably Boston, Cleveland, and Phoenix.

Boston:

Rondo

Smart

Sullinger

Young

Zeller

Philly 2015 1st (will become 2 2nd round picks after Philly drafts in the lottery again but I guess there is some value with early 2nds).

LAC 2015 1st

CLE 2016 1st

Brooklyn 2016, 2018 1st, 2017 swap

Phoenix:

Dragic

Bledsoe

Bogdan

Ennis

Warren

Len

Plumlee

Minnesota 2015 pick

Lakers 2015 pick

Cleveland:

Thompson

Waiters

Bennett

Wiggins

Memphis 2015 1st

Miami 2015 1st

So assuming they aren't interested in PGs, do other teams even have packages that rival Wiggins alone? I guess you could try to get a 3rd team in on Rondo. But Boston's picks aside from the Nets are protected/worthless and I don't think anyone knows what the Nets picks are worth. Phoenix has Dragic but I doubt they want him and Rubio. Maybe Bledsoe? T-Wolves can also get their pick back but that probably won't be conveyed for at least a year or two. Lakers pick could be valuable (top 5 protected next year, top 3 the next two years) but even then, you're probably looking at a similar player to Thompson or Waiters.

 

[Zaxxon]

Uh, it's everywhere including a fresh round of stories three days ago saying Paul wants to bring James back to Cleveland.

99.99999999% sure that this may or may not have happened.

 

[Frostillicus]

Zero chance the Wolves trade Love to Cleveland without getting Wiggins.

Who else is in on the Love sweepstakes? 3 teams interested and have enough are probably Boston, Cleveland, and Phoenix.

Boston:

Rondo

Smart

Sullinger

Young

Zeller

Philly 2015 1st (will become 2 2nd round picks after Philly drafts in the lottery again but I guess there is some value with early 2nds).

LAC 2015 1st

CLE 2016 1st

Brooklyn 2016, 2018 1st, 2017 swap

Phoenix:

Dragic

Bledsoe

Bogdan

Ennis

Warren

Len

Plumlee

Minnesota 2015 pick

Lakers 2015 pick

Cleveland:

Thompson

Waiters

Bennett

Wiggins

Memphis 2015 1st

Miami 2015 1st

So assuming they aren't interested in PGs, do other teams even have packages that rival Wiggins alone? I guess you could try to get a 3rd team in on Rondo. But Boston's picks aside from the Nets are protected/worthless and I don't think anyone knows what the Nets picks are worth. Phoenix has Dragic but I doubt they want him and Rubio. Maybe Bledsoe? T-Wolves can also get their pick back but that probably won't be conveyed for at least a year or two. Lakers pick could be valuable (top 5 protected next year, top 3 the next two years) but even then, you're probably looking at a similar player to Thompson or Waiters.

Golden State.

 

[got_nugs]

oh ####. Odds switched to -200 for any other team(Miami), +100 for Cleveland.

eta Now -230 for Cavs.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Zero chance the Wolves trade Love to Cleveland without getting Wiggins.

Who else is in on the Love sweepstakes? 3 teams interested and have enough are probably Boston, Cleveland, and Phoenix.

Boston:

Rondo

Smart

Sullinger

Young

Zeller

Philly 2015 1st (will become 2 2nd round picks after Philly drafts in the lottery again but I guess there is some value with early 2nds).

LAC 2015 1st

CLE 2016 1st

Brooklyn 2016, 2018 1st, 2017 swap

Phoenix:

Dragic

Bledsoe

Bogdan

Ennis

Warren

Len

Plumlee

Minnesota 2015 pick

Lakers 2015 pick

Cleveland:

Thompson

Waiters

Bennett

Wiggins

Memphis 2015 1st

Miami 2015 1st

So assuming they aren't interested in PGs, do other teams even have packages that rival Wiggins alone? I guess you could try to get a 3rd team in on Rondo. But Boston's picks aside from the Nets are protected/worthless and I don't think anyone knows what the Nets picks are worth. Phoenix has Dragic but I doubt they want him and Rubio. Maybe Bledsoe? T-Wolves can also get their pick back but that probably won't be conveyed for at least a year or two. Lakers pick could be valuable (top 5 protected next year, top 3 the next two years) but even then, you're probably looking at a similar player to Thompson or Waiters.

Super hot take, brah.

 

[Freelove]

oh ####. Odds switched to -200 for any other team(Miami), +100 for Cleveland.

DOOM!

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

oh ####. Odds switched to -200 for any other team(Miami), +100 for Cleveland.

Wat

 

[Frostillicus]

oh ####. Odds switched to -200 for any other team(Miami), +100 for Cleveland.

Where?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

oh ####. Odds switched to -200 for any other team(Miami), +100 for Cleveland.

I seeLBJ

Cleveland -230

Any other team +170

BOSH

Rockets -170

Any other team +130

Todem could make here

 

[Northern Voice]

Did those odds really just change in the past little while?

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

So Wiggins/Varejao for Love

Will need a minimum salary combo guard, like Ramon Sessions

Need more shooting around LeBron, so Bennett/Thompson to SAC for Rudy Gay

Need interior defense with Varejao gone and don't need a ballhandler with LeBron in, so ship out Irving to Utah for Derrick Favors

Major roster makeover, but I think there's a lot of fans out there who know that LeBron-Favors-Gay-Love-Sessions is the truth.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Isn't it disperse? Is this a Canadian thing, like all those extra u's?

 

[Insein]

So Wiggins/Varejao for Love

Will need a minimum salary combo guard, like Ramon Sessions

Need more shooting around LeBron, so Bennett/Thompson to SAC for Rudy Gay

Need interior defense with Varejao gone and don't need a ballhandler with LeBron in, so ship out Irving to Utah for Derrick Favors

Major roster makeover, but I think there's a lot of fans out there who know that LeBron-Favors-Gay-Love-Sessions is the truth.

Took a bit to put that together eh? :golfclap:

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Hilarious.

 

[shader]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&p=33134489

 

[Frostillicus]

So Wiggins/Varejao for Love

Will need a minimum salary combo guard, like Ramon Sessions

Need more shooting around LeBron, so Bennett/Thompson to SAC for Rudy Gay

Need interior defense with Varejao gone and don't need a ballhandler with LeBron in, so ship out Irving to Utah for Derrick Favors

Major roster makeover, but I think there's a lot of fans out there who know that LeBron-Favors-Gay-Love-Sessions is the truth.

An error occurredYou have reached your quota of positive votes for the day

 

[got_nugs]

oh ####. Odds switched to -200 for any other team(Miami), +100 for Cleveland.

I seeLBJ

Cleveland -230

Any other team +170

BOSH

Rockets -170

Any other team +130

Todem could make here

https://twitter.com/DavidPurdum/status/487396430764445696

 

[derek245583]

Somebody actually bought that. Who was it? It was you, wasn't it, Digits?

GB.

sup

No, but that would be awesome

 

[Frostillicus]

Where are these Lebron props?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

So Wiggins/Varejao for Love

Will need a minimum salary combo guard, like Ramon Sessions

Need more shooting around LeBron, so Bennett/Thompson to SAC for Rudy Gay

Need interior defense with Varejao gone and don't need a ballhandler with LeBron in, so ship out Irving to Utah for Derrick Favors

Major roster makeover, but I think there's a lot of fans out there who know that LeBron-Favors-Gay-Love-Sessions is the truth.

 

[got_nugs]

Where are these Lebron props?

5D

 

[Moe.]

oh ####. Odds switched to -200 for any other team(Miami), +100 for Cleveland.

I seeLBJ

Cleveland -230

Any other team +170

BOSH

Rockets -170

Any other team +130

Todem could make here

https://twitter.com/DavidPurdum/status/487396430764445696

They are going back and forth now. Limits have to be pretty small, just responding to bets. People way overreacting to this stuff.

 

[Mark Davis]

http://www10.ticketingcentral.com/V2/Quantity.aspx?t=29DC23738D16A962A049A14&og=-1

Here is the Cavs ticketing home. Check out the note written in blue. Only Ohio buyers. So Gilbert, who owns a casino, is looking down on ticket reselling. Good stuff there. If Lebron doesn't come that note gets removed and if you happened to be out of state, no shot the refund you. Obviously the team is taking the stance with that, thinking he's coming.

 

[Todem]

I have a decent sized bet with a good fantasy football buddy of mine down here (we have been in a dynasty league going on 12 years now) he is a die hard Boston guy. He hates Miami, hates Lebron.

Bet me he is leaving. Winner picks up the tab at Abe and Louies in Boca. Figure that will run with a couple of bottles of wine around 3 C notes.

Let's go guys…announce the band is staying together so all those people hanging out at Lebron's house in Akron can go home already.

 

[Frostillicus]

Where are these Lebron props?

5D

Thanks. I thought I looked there.

 

[Britney Spears]

I really think people are underestimating the Wiggins factor here. A year ago everyone was drooling over him. If you'd said last year he'd be going to the Cavs with Irving people would have said that was already a solid foundation for a contender in 3-4 seasons. I don't think his one year at Kansas should change that much, it wasn't a Harrison Barnes situation where it quickly becomes clear he has a lower ceiling than people thought. He looked pretty amazing at times.

Agree with this 100%. If Wiggins becomes the superstar he can be, the Cavs could be in for a DOMINANT run. NBA players are aware of how good Kyrie is - he's banging on the door of the elite club.

Imagine if Bennett is actually in shape and shows that last year was just a bad fluke. And the Cavs have Miami's first rounder next year?

Go home LeBron.

If Wiggins becomes the superstar he can be, he'll do it about the time LeBron starts to decline. I wouldn't feel great about trying to contend with a 20-year-old as a key player.

If they can trade him for Love it would give them a much more solid window.

I dunno. Isn't that kind of every franchise's wet dream? One elite superstar, one second-tier star second banana, and a young guy the perfect age to pass the torch to if all goes well?I mean, it only works out if it adds up to enough to eke out a title or two (or whatever). I'm not sure if I'm a Cleveland fan, that I'd be slam-dunk in support of moving the kid, even for Love.

As a fan of the game, I guess I'd like Love there better. The team defense would be atrocious, but Love's penchant for giving up on D assignments to rebound and outlet would be phenomenal to watch with Kyrie and Bron, and having three superstar scorers plus no defense might make them play a pretty exciting brand of Loyola-Marymount ball in order to win games.

But I'm not sure that team would be desperate for another 20+ scorer, and I'm not sure they'd be desperate for a rebounder, but they'd sure as hell miss Wiggins's D if it's anywhere near what it's advertised as. Love's by far the better all around player, for now at least, but I'm not sure he's a better match for what they'd need to contend. (ETA: not that it would necessarily matter how perfect a match Love would be, since James, plus Kyrie, plus Love would almost certainly be overwhelming enough to win titles even if it wasn't a perfectly constructed team concept.)

They wouldn't need 26 and 13 from Love, but a PF who can shoot like him would be an awesome match offensively with LeBron.

Keep Wiggins, get Ryan Anderson?

 

[NutterButter]

So Todem, LeBron stays with MIA but signs a max 2 year deal with the 2nd year being a player option, what does Bosh do?

Sign the same deal?

I think 4 years with the 4th year a player option,

Minimum 3 years with third year player option.

Bosh gets a max deal here. My feeling is they are going to ride this for the next 2-3 years and Bosh retires here with Wade.

I think that entire meeting last night was all about Lebron's contract.

Just announce this already so this madness can stop. And the sad thing is when did anyone from Lebrons team talk to Cleveland? Absolutely not one reporter can confirm that at all.

The only fact is Lebron met with Bosh and Wade. Has hung out with Wade in Vegas and met with Riley.

Thats it.

He is signing here,

Not buying that either. No way Bosh signs for mandatory 3 with James only doing a mandatory 1. James leaves after 1 and Bosh is stuck with a 65 year old Wade. I thought is was accepted that Paul met with a bunch of teams in Cleveland last week.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Melo apparently reconsidering Bulls. Sounds like Melo wants the money, but not NY

Don't blame him really. NY will be a complete and utter non-factor until at least 2015-16. (And if Aldridge re-ups as expected in Portland & Love extends with whomever he's traded to before next offseason, it'll be well beyond 2015-16 with the lackluster class)

Phil can sell him all he wants on the future, but it really isn't all that rosy -- no matter how much money available. As we've seen this offseason, lots of teams have money.

 

[NutterButter]

Melo apparently reconsidering Bulls. Sounds like Melo wants the money, but not NY

Don't blame him really. NY will be a complete and utter non-factor until at least 2015-16. (And if Aldridge re-ups as expected in Portland & Love extends with whomever he's traded to, it'll be well beyond 2015-16 with the lackluster class)

Unless James just signs for a mandatory one and then NY is an option in 2015.

 

[boubucarow]

Melo apparently reconsidering Bulls. Sounds like Melo wants the money, but not NY

Don't blame him really. NY will be a complete and utter non-factor until at least 2015-16. (And if Aldridge re-ups as expected in Portland & Love extends with whomever he's traded to before next offseason, it'll be well beyond 2015-16 with the lackluster class)

Phil can sell him all he wants on the future, but it really isn't all that rosy -- no matter how much money available. As we've seen this offseason, lots of teams have money.

I don't believe that Jackson would sign and trade with the Bulls and Melo isn't losing $60 million to sign as a free agent with Chicago. But I think Melo wants 1) max deal with LeBron in Miami 2) max deal with Bulls in a sign and trade 3) max deal with Knicks. I think LA would only be a threat to get a deal to Chicago.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

So Wiggins/Varejao for Love

Will need a minimum salary combo guard, like Ramon Sessions

Need more shooting around LeBron, so Bennett/Thompson to SAC for Rudy Gay

Need interior defense with Varejao gone and don't need a ballhandler with LeBron in, so ship out Irving to Utah for Derrick Favors

Major roster makeover, but I think there's a lot of fans out there who know that LeBron-Favors-Gay-Love-Sessions is the truth.

Took a bit to put that together eh? :golfclap:

I actually tried to run some scenarios through the Trade Machine before giving up.

 

[Britney Spears]

In other news Donald Sterling got off the stand after testifying today, called his wife a "pig," dropped mic and walked off stage. Classy.

I have enjoyed the LeBron saga because it's pretty funny and it doesn't really affect my team one way or the other. But the worst thing about it is that it's taking attention away from the Sterling trial. Holy #### is it amazing. If you haven't been reading the updates, check it out.

Good source for internet challenged?

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Melo apparently reconsidering Bulls. Sounds like Melo wants the money, but not NY

Don't blame him really. NY will be a complete and utter non-factor until at least 2015-16. (And if Aldridge re-ups as expected in Portland & Love extends with whomever he's traded to before next offseason, it'll be well beyond 2015-16 with the lackluster class)

Phil can sell him all he wants on the future, but it really isn't all that rosy -- no matter how much money available. As we've seen this offseason, lots of teams have money.

I don't believe that Jackson would sign and trade with the Bulls and Melo isn't losing $60 million to sign as a free agent with Chicago. But I think Melo wants 1) max deal with LeBron in Miami 2) max deal with Bulls in a sign and trade 3) max deal with Knicks. I think LA would only be a threat to get a deal to Chicago.

Yep. Quite apparent he wants a max deal in what'll be his last big payday. Even if it means doing it with NY and demanding a trade later.

I don't see a quite turnaround for NY. At 30, time isn't exactly on Melo's side either.

 

[pollardsvision]

Melo apparently reconsidering Bulls. Sounds like Melo wants the money, but not NY

Don't blame him really. NY will be a complete and utter non-factor until at least 2015-16. (And if Aldridge re-ups as expected in Portland & Love extends with whomever he's traded to before next offseason, it'll be well beyond 2015-16 with the lackluster class)

Phil can sell him all he wants on the future, but it really isn't all that rosy -- no matter how much money available. As we've seen this offseason, lots of teams have money.

I don't believe that Jackson would sign and trade with the Bulls and Melo isn't losing $60 million to sign as a free agent with Chicago. But I think Melo wants 1) max deal with LeBron in Miami 2) max deal with Bulls in a sign and trade 3) max deal with Knicks. I think LA would only be a threat to get a deal to Chicago.

Yep. Quite apparent he wants a max deal in what'll be his last big payday. Even if it means doing it with NY and demanding a trade later.I don't see a quite turnaround for NY. At 30, time isn't exactly on Melo's side either.

He should sign a 1 year deal this year in LA or CHI.If it goes well, do the 5-year deal next year. If not, go sign a 4-year in NY.

Worst case, he gets the same money without having to be in NY this year.

Best case, he squeezes out 6 more years of max salary.

A 2 year deal could work out even better

 

[Mario Kart]

How's that line outside his house doing?

ESPN special is still on commercial break. No news yet.