Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Yes, the same blame that every other current free agent should get and all FAs in the past who went into day two of free agency without a contract.
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MAC_32
Footballguy
Obviously not knowing all the details, but anyone around here who gets bent about this really only has themselves to blame.
shader
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Sounds like ineptitude in Cleveland to me. Why finalize that deal before an actual offer is accepted verbally?
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I can count the number of players "waiting in limbo" on one hand, they're all down to two teams,they pretty much know what they're getting paid next year, and training camp is still to months away. Let's not act like this is some travesty. Guys get moved team to team on zero notice all the time.
As for everyone else (fans and whatnot), he's got no obligation to make a decision simply because they're curious and impatient.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Why can't he just do what he wants and make the choice he feels is right when he is ready?
pollardsvision
Footballguy
It's all the fault of that damn Chandler Parsons.
Without that greedy turncoat, LeBron's timeline wouldn't be a problem for anyone.
Clearly, he doesn't know what La Famille is all about.
Without that greedy turncoat, LeBron's timeline wouldn't be a problem for anyone.
Clearly, he doesn't know what La Famille is all about.
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TobiasFunke
Footballguy
He didn't authorize Paul to speak publicly. If someone in the Cavs organization chose to share details of negotiations with reporters and that got people's hopes up it's on the Cavs, not LeBron or his agent.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Melo has to be just pissed right now. LeBron getting all this attention while Melo is doing the exact same thing and getting nothing. Love it.
Huh? LeBron was in Vegas for his camp with Wade and flew back to Miami where both were living before the camp. Woj turned that into Wade closing the deal on LeBron for Miami. I'm sorry, but you are reading into it as much as Woj is trying to make a story out of it. Sounds like two guys on a business trip just flew home after said business trip. I am sure Wade has been talking to LeBron the whole time or maybe not. If Wade is staying in Miami, I'm pretty sure he has wanted LeBron to stay the whole time.
As said above, this whole thing is freaking silly. LeBron has said nothing, so the conjecture has been great. Oh, he's moving some cars, he must be going to Cleveland.
And yes, the Cavs would absolutely trade away players without having a 100% commitment. They are courting James, they want him to come back and they are clearing the deck for him to land and if you don't think that city/team would do that for a 50/50 shot at him coming back you are missing the boat.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
While true, since he has done this before, anyone who gets crushed by this does a poor job of learning from their mistakes.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Assume he was (and maybe still is) seriously considering Cleveland, which even trustworthy guys have reported.
What does he put out there to squash the rumors? How does he do it without doing to Heat fans exactly what you (wrongly) think he's doing to Cavs fans?
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
Sheridan all but said on Cowherd's show yesterday that his source is in Lebron's camp not the Cavs.
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
If Paul has been pushing for Lebron to go to Cleveland for months how do you know he didn't leak it to the media?
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
Yep. Will I be bummed for a minute? Sure - we almost got a great player back. But it's not going to ruin my lunch let alone my life.
Exactly. I have no idea which way he will go, but it is amazing that James is being criticized for dragging this out into, gasp, day 2 of free agency. It isn't like he is jumping ship to San Antonio or OKC to go to the best teams and ensure he wins a ring. He is picking between where he is now and his previous team. Amazingly, he actually wants to think through his options. Crazy that he should be allowed to do that.
Either way he picks, he will be roundly criticized. He is either going to be the guy who spurned his hometown again or the guy who spurned his family in Miami who got his rings for him. I am sure Woj and the other folks in the Media have their stories all set "LeBron bails on _____" just waiting to type in the choice.
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
Cavs were -110 when I first looked about an hour ago. Back up to -180.100% + +170 = PROFITAaron Rudnicki said:I seeLBJgot_nugs said:
Cleveland -230
Any other team +170
Todem could makehere
My mother is in her 80's. She lives in rural Iowa, does not own a television, and her favorite basketball player is "that Michael Johnson." (She means Jordan.)
She knows Cleveland fans are worked up into a lather over the prospect of Lebron going back home. This is not an exaggeration. She heard it on the radio. She thinks it's "nice."
If she knows this, we can be fairly confident Lebron does too. It would have taken no more than a whisper of an officially sanctioned rumor from a friend of his agent to quash this BS days ago if he intended to stay in Miami, and nobody would have blamed him a bit. But by now, with the media and the public having raged on, staged stakeouts, and turned the entire greater Cleveland area into Lebronfest 2014 - The Return of the King for the last five days...with the Cleveland Cavaliers having gone through all sorts of cap and roster gymnastics in ways that only make sense if we assume they've been prompted by the James camp...I think we can confidently say that it is Lebron's camp's clear intent to give Cleveland hope.
Now, the intent may very well (and justifiably) be to take a massive and public dump all over the head of Dan Gilbert, but it's gone on long and publicly enough that it's going to get all over the public that was ready to love him all over again, too.
I think Lebron either goes home to Cleveland, or has to just turn full-on heel at this point, because I think by now he's earned any hatred coming his way if he screws those poor shmucks over in humiliatingly public fashion again. It's way too late to play the "all I did was stay quiet about it" card, IMO. That's part of the hazard of being the most visible and media-driving force in all of pro sports.
ETA: If he genuinely is torturing over the decision, and is having honest-to-god heart to hearts with friends and family and God about it, then a tweet to that effect from @KingJames would have more than sufficed.
She knows Cleveland fans are worked up into a lather over the prospect of Lebron going back home. This is not an exaggeration. She heard it on the radio. She thinks it's "nice."
If she knows this, we can be fairly confident Lebron does too. It would have taken no more than a whisper of an officially sanctioned rumor from a friend of his agent to quash this BS days ago if he intended to stay in Miami, and nobody would have blamed him a bit. But by now, with the media and the public having raged on, staged stakeouts, and turned the entire greater Cleveland area into Lebronfest 2014 - The Return of the King for the last five days...with the Cleveland Cavaliers having gone through all sorts of cap and roster gymnastics in ways that only make sense if we assume they've been prompted by the James camp...I think we can confidently say that it is Lebron's camp's clear intent to give Cleveland hope.
Now, the intent may very well (and justifiably) be to take a massive and public dump all over the head of Dan Gilbert, but it's gone on long and publicly enough that it's going to get all over the public that was ready to love him all over again, too.
I think Lebron either goes home to Cleveland, or has to just turn full-on heel at this point, because I think by now he's earned any hatred coming his way if he screws those poor shmucks over in humiliatingly public fashion again. It's way too late to play the "all I did was stay quiet about it" card, IMO. That's part of the hazard of being the most visible and media-driving force in all of pro sports.
ETA: If he genuinely is torturing over the decision, and is having honest-to-god heart to hearts with friends and family and God about it, then a tweet to that effect from @KingJames would have more than sufficed.
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pollardsvision
Footballguy
Actually, if he's going back to MIA, letting it linger until Sunday primetime is probably the kindest thing for CLE fans.
I'd guess that every minute it lingers now makes CLE fans less confident, softening the blow when it does come. Had he announced last night that he was going back to MIA (or anytime the last 36 hours really) , it would've been crushing.
Barring hard news, the peak of CLE confidence has passed.
BTW, this needing to worry about the feelings of poor CLE fans is stupid. Who gives a ####?
Again, no offense, Cavs fans.
I'd guess that every minute it lingers now makes CLE fans less confident, softening the blow when it does come. Had he announced last night that he was going back to MIA (or anytime the last 36 hours really) , it would've been crushing.
Barring hard news, the peak of CLE confidence has passed.
BTW, this needing to worry about the feelings of poor CLE fans is stupid. Who gives a ####?
Again, no offense, Cavs fans.
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TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I don't know for sure but it would make absolutely no sense. He's his agent, and LeBron is making him rich. Leaking details of negotiations to the media is a good way to get fired and lose all that money, and I don't see any benefit whatsoever to him leaking it anyway.
the moops
Footballguy
You ever think that maybe he is actually weighing all his options?
Do you just hastily make multi-million dollar decisions that affect your life for the next 5 years?
MAC_32
Footballguy
Again, something people around here should have been prepared for. He played the Cavs for 3 years before leaving the first time, quit on the team during the playoffs, then...that. LeBron doing something sleezy because he can would not be new news.My mother is in her 80's. She lives in rural Iowa, does not own a television, and her favorite basketball player is "that Michael Johnson." (She means Jordan.)
She knows Cleveland fans are worked up into a lather over the prospect of Lebron going back home. This is not an exaggeration. She heard it on the radio. She thinks it's "nice."
If she knows this, we can be fairly confident Lebron does too. It would have taken no more than a whisper of an officially sanctioned rumor from a friend of his agent to quash this BS days ago if he intended to stay in Miami, and nobody would have blamed him a bit. But by now, with the media and the public having raged on, staged stakeouts, and turned the entire greater Cleveland area into Lebronfest 2014 - The Return of the King for the last five days...with the Cleveland Cavaliers having gone through all sorts of cap and roster gymnastics in ways that only make sense if we assume they've been prompted by the James camp...I think we can confidently say that it is Lebron's camp's clear intent to give Cleveland hope.
Now, the intent may very well (and justifiably) be to take a massive and public dump all over the head of Dan Gilbert, but it's gone on long and publicly enough that it's going to get all over the public that was ready to love him all over again, too.
I think Lebron either goes home to Cleveland, or has to just turn full-on heel at this point, because I think by now he's earned any hatred coming his way if he screws those poor shmucks over in humiliatingly public fashion again. It's way too late to play the "all I did was stay quiet about it" card, IMO. That's part of the hazard of being the most visible and media-driving force in all of pro sports.
ETA: If he genuinely is torturing over the decision, and is having honest-to-god heart to hearts with friends and family and God about it, then a tweet to that effect from @KingJames would have more than sufficed.
At this point, regardless of what he decides the Cavs front office looks really dumb for doing the Jack deal, not knowing exactly what he would do.
TenTimes
Backhoe Operator
If the Jack deal gave Cleveland a 10% of getting Lebron it was a great deal.Again, something people around here should have been prepared for. He played the Cavs for 3 years before leaving the first time, quit on the team during the playoffs, then...that. LeBron doing something sleezy because he can would not be new news.My mother is in her 80's. She lives in rural Iowa, does not own a television, and her favorite basketball player is "that Michael Johnson." (She means Jordan.)
She knows Cleveland fans are worked up into a lather over the prospect of Lebron going back home. This is not an exaggeration. She heard it on the radio. She thinks it's "nice."
If she knows this, we can be fairly confident Lebron does too. It would have taken no more than a whisper of an officially sanctioned rumor from a friend of his agent to quash this BS days ago if he intended to stay in Miami, and nobody would have blamed him a bit. But by now, with the media and the public having raged on, staged stakeouts, and turned the entire greater Cleveland area into Lebronfest 2014 - The Return of the King for the last five days...with the Cleveland Cavaliers having gone through all sorts of cap and roster gymnastics in ways that only make sense if we assume they've been prompted by the James camp...I think we can confidently say that it is Lebron's camp's clear intent to give Cleveland hope.
Now, the intent may very well (and justifiably) be to take a massive and public dump all over the head of Dan Gilbert, but it's gone on long and publicly enough that it's going to get all over the public that was ready to love him all over again, too.
I think Lebron either goes home to Cleveland, or has to just turn full-on heel at this point, because I think by now he's earned any hatred coming his way if he screws those poor shmucks over in humiliatingly public fashion again. It's way too late to play the "all I did was stay quiet about it" card, IMO. That's part of the hazard of being the most visible and media-driving force in all of pro sports.
ETA: If he genuinely is torturing over the decision, and is having honest-to-god heart to hearts with friends and family and God about it, then a tweet to that effect from @KingJames would have more than sufficed.
At this point, regardless of what he decides the Cavs front office looks really dumb for doing the Jack deal, not knowing exactly what he would do.
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Insein
Footballguy
I just want the guy to end up in a situation where he's competitive for titles. I think basketball is a lot more interesting when the best player in the universe is competing for titles. I think that window is slamming shut in a hurry in Miami as currently constructed. But maybe there's hope if Wade takes a monumental paycut.
And I don't actually mind the idea of Lebron as a full blown heel. Not sure it would be good for his brand, tho.
And I don't actually mind the idea of Lebron as a full blown heel. Not sure it would be good for his brand, tho.
Peyton Marino
Footballguy
at what point do they open fire?Local news showing footage tanks taking positions around Lebron's residence, and guard units securing the perimeter wiith sand bag walls and razor wire.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Peak
Footballguy
You ever think that maybe he is actually weighing all his options?
Do you just hastily make multi-million dollar decisions that affect your life for the next 5 years?
Amazing to think that he can't actually think about what is best for him. If he makes a bad call, he could end up losing millions of dollars (i.e. Wiggins ends up a bust or Wade blows out a knee, etc.). It amazes me and disturbs me that people are already pissed about a decision that hasn't even been made. A week or so ago everyone thought he was staying in Miami, now he will be roundly criticized if he doesn't go to Cleveland. Seems like the fans in Cleveland and the folks that hate him already have been reading all the articles and tweets and made up their minds without a single word from the guy actually making the decision. Again, some of the reactions disturb me.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Nothing wrong with a contingent deal. It isn't like the available cap $ can go to another good player. The russian guy is a wild card, but Zeller is likely a good (cheap) role player and then there's the future 1. All to free up cap space that won't go to another good player? That's the furthest thing from a great deal.If the Jack deal gave Cleveland a 10% of getting Lebron it was a great deal.Again, something people around here should have been prepared for. He played the Cavs for 3 years before leaving the first time, quit on the team during the playoffs, then...that. LeBron doing something sleezy because he can would not be new news.My mother is in her 80's. She lives in rural Iowa, does not own a television, and her favorite basketball player is "that Michael Johnson." (She means Jordan.)
She knows Cleveland fans are worked up into a lather over the prospect of Lebron going back home. This is not an exaggeration. She heard it on the radio. She thinks it's "nice."
If she knows this, we can be fairly confident Lebron does too. It would have taken no more than a whisper of an officially sanctioned rumor from a friend of his agent to quash this BS days ago if he intended to stay in Miami, and nobody would have blamed him a bit. But by now, with the media and the public having raged on, staged stakeouts, and turned the entire greater Cleveland area into Lebronfest 2014 - The Return of the King for the last five days...with the Cleveland Cavaliers having gone through all sorts of cap and roster gymnastics in ways that only make sense if we assume they've been prompted by the James camp...I think we can confidently say that it is Lebron's camp's clear intent to give Cleveland hope.
Now, the intent may very well (and justifiably) be to take a massive and public dump all over the head of Dan Gilbert, but it's gone on long and publicly enough that it's going to get all over the public that was ready to love him all over again, too.
I think Lebron either goes home to Cleveland, or has to just turn full-on heel at this point, because I think by now he's earned any hatred coming his way if he screws those poor shmucks over in humiliatingly public fashion again. It's way too late to play the "all I did was stay quiet about it" card, IMO. That's part of the hazard of being the most visible and media-driving force in all of pro sports.
ETA: If he genuinely is torturing over the decision, and is having honest-to-god heart to hearts with friends and family and God about it, then a tweet to that effect from @KingJames would have more than sufficed.
At this point, regardless of what he decides the Cavs front office looks really dumb for doing the Jack deal, not knowing exactly what he would do.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Really? I'm pretty sure that's exactly what it can do.Nothing wrong with a contingent deal. It isn't like the available cap $ can go to another good player. The russian guy is a wild card, but Zeller is likely a good (cheap) role player and then there's the future 1. All to free up cap space that won't go to another good player? That's the furthest thing from a great deal.If the Jack deal gave Cleveland a 10% of getting Lebron it was a great deal.Again, something people around here should have been prepared for. He played the Cavs for 3 years before leaving the first time, quit on the team during the playoffs, then...that. LeBron doing something sleezy because he can would not be new news.My mother is in her 80's. She lives in rural Iowa, does not own a television, and her favorite basketball player is "that Michael Johnson." (She means Jordan.)
She knows Cleveland fans are worked up into a lather over the prospect of Lebron going back home. This is not an exaggeration. She heard it on the radio. She thinks it's "nice."
If she knows this, we can be fairly confident Lebron does too. It would have taken no more than a whisper of an officially sanctioned rumor from a friend of his agent to quash this BS days ago if he intended to stay in Miami, and nobody would have blamed him a bit. But by now, with the media and the public having raged on, staged stakeouts, and turned the entire greater Cleveland area into Lebronfest 2014 - The Return of the King for the last five days...with the Cleveland Cavaliers having gone through all sorts of cap and roster gymnastics in ways that only make sense if we assume they've been prompted by the James camp...I think we can confidently say that it is Lebron's camp's clear intent to give Cleveland hope.
Now, the intent may very well (and justifiably) be to take a massive and public dump all over the head of Dan Gilbert, but it's gone on long and publicly enough that it's going to get all over the public that was ready to love him all over again, too.
I think Lebron either goes home to Cleveland, or has to just turn full-on heel at this point, because I think by now he's earned any hatred coming his way if he screws those poor shmucks over in humiliatingly public fashion again. It's way too late to play the "all I did was stay quiet about it" card, IMO. That's part of the hazard of being the most visible and media-driving force in all of pro sports.
ETA: If he genuinely is torturing over the decision, and is having honest-to-god heart to hearts with friends and family and God about it, then a tweet to that effect from @KingJames would have more than sufficed.
At this point, regardless of what he decides the Cavs front office looks really dumb for doing the Jack deal, not knowing exactly what he would do.
pantagrapher
Footballguy
It's amazing to me that there are people out there who actually believe he's deliberating.
Village Idiot
Pokerguy
Wade has been convinced to retire and the Heat will take care of him.
It's now LeBron/Bosh/Melo to the Heat.
/Todem
Actually, the longer this is dragging out the more I think LeBron intended to go back to Cleveland but is now leaning back to MIA.
McBob = Championships!
And I expect him to go back to Miami anyway because you expect bad news when you are from Cleveland.
On to trying to sign Ariza wheeeee!
It's now LeBron/Bosh/Melo to the Heat.
/Todem
Actually, the longer this is dragging out the more I think LeBron intended to go back to Cleveland but is now leaning back to MIA.
McBob = Championships!
And I expect him to go back to Miami anyway because you expect bad news when you are from Cleveland.
On to trying to sign Ariza wheeeee!
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Village Idiot
Pokerguy
If it's not because he was deciding where to go and weighing the merits of both teams i will be unhappy with LeBron.
Which I'm sure will cause him to lose no sleep at all.
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
Seems rather silly to think that Lebron could be serious about returning to Cleveland and that news wouldn't get out in today's environment. Almost doesn't matter where the leaks came from although I would be willing to bet both sides have been feeding the media.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
When I heard that Sheridan interview I thought he sounded like a guy trying really, really hard to project confidence.
I think he's full of #### and just taking a monster gamble with his career.
I think he's full of #### and just taking a monster gamble with his career.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
matuski
Footballguy
What the hell are you talking about...
You think anyone would NOT deliberate on their career options?
pantagrapher
Footballguy
pantagrapher
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