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Lin isn't good, but I always thought he was fun to watch. :shrug:

If my team were going to tank, I'd be okay with a year of that while I waited for him to come off the books.

 
sporthenry said:
The other part about Cleveland is that a month ago, Waiters/Irving wanted to kill each other and Irving was thinking about being the first guy to not sign the rookie max extension. Sure it might not have been that serious but can LeBron come in and make them work together? I guess some expect Wiggins to start immediately but that seems premature. Irving might be the biggest winner out of all this since he'll put up elite numbers on a winning team now. But Waiters doesn't seem as much a team player.
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Dion going to have to decide if he wants to play his role running the second unit or gripe his way out of town.

 
Freelove said:
Lin isn't good, but I always thought he was fun to watch. :shrug:

If my team were going to tank, I'd be okay with a year of that while I waited for him to come off the books.
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At this point with no Melo, Lakers have to tank. Only keep their pick if it's Top 5.

 
Lakers need to make this happen:

PG: Lin / Smush

SG: Kobe / Swaggy

SF: Lance / Beasley

PF: Blatche / Charlie V / Artest

C: Birdman / Stiemsma

 
MattFancy said:
Here's a thought, why does Cleveland need to get Love now? Why not just wait til next year and you're guaranteed to keep Wiggins and picks? No chance Love is going back to Minny and it sounds like he'd love to play with LeBron.
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Probably could, but would have to cut everybody. It'd be those 4 + what the rest of Miami's roster looked like.

 
Captain Quinoa said:
sporthenry said:
The other part about Cleveland is that a month ago, Waiters/Irving wanted to kill each other and Irving was thinking about being the first guy to not sign the rookie max extension. Sure it might not have been that serious but can LeBron come in and make them work together? I guess some expect Wiggins to start immediately but that seems premature. Irving might be the biggest winner out of all this since he'll put up elite numbers on a winning team now. But Waiters doesn't seem as much a team player.
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Dion going to have to decide if he wants to play his role running the second unit or gripe his way out of town.
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Although forgot he did that role fairly happily at Syracuse but he got to close games out there. I think 2nd team scorer is ideal esp since he can get th ball in his hands. Surround him with Ray Allen and Mike Miller might be best situation.
 
Chris Goetz ‏@theecirocboy 2mHey Jabari still rather play for the bucks
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B-Deep said:
am i alone in still wanting the cavs not to win?

i mean, this was a classy move by 'bron. I give him props, i would not have been able to pass the chance to shove that letter in Gilbert's face and make him eat it. so good job Lebron

but man, i never want Cleveland to win anything.
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Not even the Indians? #### you.

 
Heat fans should be a little pissed at Micky Arison, IMO. Dude cheaped out by amnestying Mike Miller and signing NO ONE with the MLE last sumer after 2 titles. If he doesn't do so and the Heat win another title, Lebron probably stays in SOBE.

 
Chances of winning 2015 NBA Championship (using best odds @ Oddschecker):

Code: 
San Antonio Spurs	16.3%Cleveland Cavaliers	16.3%Oklahoma City Thunder	12.4%Los Angeles Clippers	 7.5%Houston Rockets		 6.9%Chicago Bulls		 6.9%Indiana Pacers		 5.3%Golden State Warriors	 3.4%Brooklyn Nets		 2.2%Portland Trail Blazers	 2.2%Miami Heat		 1.8%Dallas Mavericks	 1.8%New York Knicks		 1.8%Toronto Raptors		 1.8%Memphis Grizzlies	 1.8%Washington Wizards	 1.8%Los Angeles Lakers	 1.5%Phoenix Suns		 1.3%Denver Nuggets		 1.2%Boston Celtics		 1.0%Atlanta Hawks		 0.9%New Orleans Pelicans	 0.7%Charlotte Hornets	 0.7%Detroit Pistons		 0.6%Sacramento Kings	 0.6%Utah Jazz		 0.4%Minnesota Timberwolves	 0.4%Orlando Magic		 0.4%Philadelphia 76ers	 0.4%Milwaukee Bucks		 0.2%
Looks like whoever survives the Western Conference will be a pretty solid favorite over the Cavs if they get there.
 
rodg12 said:
Heat fans should be a little pissed at Micky Arison, IMO. Dude cheaped out by amnestying Mike Miller and signing NO ONE with the MLE last sumer after 2 titles. If he doesn't do so and the Heat win another title, Lebron probably stays in SOBE.
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:goodposting:

I wonder if maybe LeBron stays even if they don't win the title if they'd kept Miler.

 
TobiasFunke said:
rodg12 said:
Heat fans should be a little pissed at Micky Arison, IMO. Dude cheaped out by amnestying Mike Miller and signing NO ONE with the MLE last sumer after 2 titles. If he doesn't do so and the Heat win another title, Lebron probably stays in SOBE.
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:goodposting:

I wonder if maybe LeBron stays even if they don't win the title if they'd kept Miler.
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Miller was going to make up 20 point a game difference this year?

 
wdcrob said:
Chances of winning 2015 NBA Championship (using best odds @ Oddschecker):

San Antonio Spurs 16.3%Cleveland Cavaliers 16.3%Oklahoma City Thunder 12.4%Los Angeles Clippers 7.5%Houston Rockets 6.9%Chicago Bulls 6.9%Indiana Pacers 5.3%Golden State Warriors 3.4%Brooklyn Nets 2.2%Portland Trail Blazers 2.2%Miami Heat 1.8%Dallas Mavericks 1.8%New York Knicks 1.8%Toronto Raptors 1.8%Memphis Grizzlies 1.8%Washington Wizards 1.8%Los Angeles Lakers 1.5%Phoenix Suns 1.3%Denver Nuggets 1.2%Boston Celtics 1.0%Atlanta Hawks 0.9%New Orleans Pelicans 0.7%Charlotte Hornets 0.7%Detroit Pistons 0.6%Sacramento Kings 0.6%Utah Jazz 0.4%Minnesota Timberwolves 0.4%Orlando Magic 0.4%Philadelphia 76ers 0.4%Milwaukee Bucks 0.2%Looks like whoever survives the Western Conference will be a pretty solid favorite over the Cavs if they get there.
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Number on the Rockets is waaayyy too low. I consider them co-favorites with the Spurs.

Atlanta's definitely worth a couple bucks at 100 to 1.

 
ffldrew said:
TobiasFunke said:
rodg12 said:
Heat fans should be a little pissed at Micky Arison, IMO. Dude cheaped out by amnestying Mike Miller and signing NO ONE with the MLE last sumer after 2 titles. If he doesn't do so and the Heat win another title, Lebron probably stays in SOBE.
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:goodposting:

I wonder if maybe LeBron stays even if they don't win the title if they'd kept Miler.
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Miller was going to make up 20 point a game difference this year?
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It was the first domino. Owner won't pay the tax after 2 titles?!

 
Wiggins played PF in high school/club ball. Last year was his first year playing SF. Those saying he is a 2/3 hybrid haven't seen him play much. He's a minus dribbler.

If you're not worried about Parker as an NBA 3PT shooter, you shouldn't be worried about Wiggins. Wiggins's 3PT shooting improved a lot during the season against a tough schedule, and Parker's shooting cooled off a lot after a blazing start.

On CLE, Wiggins's lack of dribbling acumen won't matter because James and Irving will be the primary ballhandlers. In college, Wiggins didn't have the luxury of playing with a passer as good as LeBron or a penetrator who can break down defenses like Irving. But when the offense was clicking, you saw how good Wiggins is at moving without the ball, running his man into traffic to get free, and how good his shot is off the pass. He was also a very good FT shooter. The shooting form and range is there, and he will be shooting off of double-teams, not through them.

Defensively, he's ready to guard SFs and SGs. In college, he spent most of his time on the opponent's most dangerous wing, but he did take a few possessions of PGs like Marcus Smart. Quick enough to guard NBA SGs, long enough to guard NBA SFs. He was at his best guarding shooters who start the play off the ball, making their lives difficult trying to get the pass in scoring position. Also was great at turning lazy skip passes into turnovers. He wants the challenge of high-level defense. He has publicly stated he wants to make the All-Defense team as a rookie. In a world where we've seen rookies state desire to lead the league in scoring or win the Slam Dunk Contest, aspiring to be All-D should be welcomed.

I'd love to see Wiggins play with LeBron since I'm a fan of both and especially want to see Wiggins succeed as a pro. I get why CLE would give him up for Love, but Love strikes me as a bit of a diva, and his numbers have the scent of a looter.

 
thecatch said:
Todem said:
Shabaaaaaazzzzzz!!!!

That is all.
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There are enough good uncommitted free agents out there that they could still put possibly put together a playoff contender. Thomas, Deng, Monroe, etc with Wade, for example.
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From what I've read, the Pistons will match any reasonable Monroe offer. They'd be open to a sign-and-trade but Miami has nothing to deal. If somebody offers a max deal they'd let him walk, but that would be stupid.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Wiggins played PF in high school/club ball. Last year was his first year playing SF. Those saying he is a 2/3 hybrid haven't seen him play much. He's a minus dribbler.

If you're not worried about Parker as an NBA 3PT shooter, you shouldn't be worried about Wiggins. Wiggins's 3PT shooting improved a lot during the season against a tough schedule, and Parker's shooting cooled off a lot after a blazing start.

On CLE, Wiggins's lack of dribbling acumen won't matter because James and Irving will be the primary ballhandlers. In college, Wiggins didn't have the luxury of playing with a passer as good as LeBron or a penetrator who can break down defenses like Irving. But when the offense was clicking, you saw how good Wiggins is at moving without the ball, running his man into traffic to get free, and how good his shot is off the pass. He was also a very good FT shooter. The shooting form and range is there, and he will be shooting off of double-teams, not through them.

Defensively, he's ready to guard SFs and SGs. In college, he spent most of his time on the opponent's most dangerous wing, but he did take a few possessions of PGs like Marcus Smart. Quick enough to guard NBA SGs, long enough to guard NBA SFs. He was at his best guarding shooters who start the play off the ball, making their lives difficult trying to get the pass in scoring position. Also was great at turning lazy skip passes into turnovers. He wants the challenge of high-level defense. He has publicly stated he wants to make the All-Defense team as a rookie. In a world where we've seen rookies state desire to lead the league in scoring or win the Slam Dunk Contest, aspiring to be All-D should be welcomed.

I'd love to see Wiggins play with LeBron since I'm a fan of both and especially want to see Wiggins succeed as a pro. I get why CLE would give him up for Love, but Love strikes me as a bit of a diva, and his numbers have the scent of a looter.
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Was hoping you'd weigh in on Wiggins since I knew you watched him A LOT at KU. Thanks for the info.

 
So the Lakers missed out on Lebron and Carmelo and Bosh, Howard left, and now they are the grease trap for a laughably bad contract.

Gunz > still want to yap about their relevance? :bye:

 
Agreed re Miller being amnestied being a big deal. No loyalty from ownership spoke volumes and provides the out for LeBron to leave.

 
Raider Nation said:
A couple of things bother me about this portion of the statement:

“I was seeking championships, and we won two. But Miami already knew that feeling. Our city hasn’t had that feeling in a long, long, long time. … I always believed that I’d return to Cleveland and finish my career there. I just didn’t know when.”
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He would have eventually gotten it done in Cleveland with another piece here and there, especially considering how weak the East is. He didn't have to go to Miami to win a championship. Also, during the dog and pony show upon signing with Miami, he uttered the infamous "Not one, not two..... not six, not seven." So, great... he'll "return to Cleveland" when he's 36 and well past his prime after winning 8 titles in Miami.
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Well, not really. If he doesn't leave, they are a decent enough team because of him and don't have Irving or Wiggins or heck even Waiters/Bennett. The team they had was awful besides James and who knows who else they would have gotten. Cleveland's ownership sure wasn't trying to build around him with FAs, seemed like they were content to hope the rest of the crap around him could possibly win a championship.

 
If they can get love for waiters and Bennett plus first round picks and junk that is amazing.

I don't know that the Cavs need Love if they get ray Allen and mike miller to go with the young athletes. .

 
I am happy for Cleveland and Lebron James. Cool story.

I have always felt that it wasn't the act of leaving Cleveland that was the problem. It was the manner in which he did it. Very douchey. The problem is, by all accounts, James seems like a good guy and there has always been this weird dynamic where you want to hate the guy because of the way he left...but never really did much besides that to earn any additional scorn.

The question I have, is...did James tell Wade he was leaving to Cleveland before Wade opted out?

 
Premier said:
So the Lakers missed out on Lebron and Carmelo and Bosh, Howard left, and now they are the grease trap for a laughably bad contract.

Gunz > still want to yap about their relevance? :bye:
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The Lakers are still relevant long term- just not now. Jeremy Lin , Kobe and perhaps Isaiah Thomas does not a championship team make.

Going to take a few years for the Lakers to return to competitiveness. They will, because they are still a major destination team with a lot of money. But it's probably not going to be with Kobe Bryant. (Although I can always hope.)

 
Spartans Rule said:
thecatch said:
Todem said:
Shabaaaaaazzzzzz!!!!

That is all.
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There are enough good uncommitted free agents out there that they could still put possibly put together a playoff contender. Thomas, Deng, Monroe, etc with Wade, for example.
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From what I've read, the Pistons will match any reasonable Monroe offer. They'd be open to a sign-and-trade but Miami has nothing to deal. If somebody offers a max deal they'd let him walk, but that would be stupid.
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Miami can afford to overpay now, obviously.

 
Abraham said:
tommyGunZ said:
Premier said:
So the Lakers missed out on Lebron and Carmelo and Bosh, Howard left, and now they are the grease trap for a laughably bad contract.

Gunz > still want to yap about their relevance? :bye:
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Lakers were never in on LeBron or Bosh.
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Why not?
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Because they screwed up:

1. The Chris Paul deal that was overturned.

2. Trading for Steve Nash.

3. Dwight Howard not staying (mostly because Jim Buss stubbornly hired the wrong coach.

4. Signing Kobe to a huge contract.

When you have a sport with very few elite players, it doesn't take much to bring your team crashing down. Essentially the Lakers failed to rebuild around Kobe Bryant, preferring to trade picks away for aging former stars. It didn't work.

 
Now that Lebron is back in CLE, I think Melo to the Bulls has some legs. Doubt he can actually turn down the money from NYC, but if he wants a ring, going to the Bulls puts him in the best position to reach the finals while still in his prime.

No way NYK are going anywhere for at least 2 years.

 
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