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Juxtatarot
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Seems pretty clear that the money is the issue. But I don't think the Knicks will agree to a sign-and-trade. I also don't think the Bulls will dump Taj (and Melo wants Taj to stay anyway). I still think Melo stays with the Knicks.
Premier
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Exactly.Lakers were never in on LeBron or Bosh.So the Lakers missed out on Lebron and Carmelo and Bosh, Howard left, and now they are the grease trap for a laughably bad contract.
Gunz > still want to yap about their relevance?
Premier
Footballguy
Exactly.Lakers were never in on LeBron or Bosh.So the Lakers missed out on Lebron and Carmelo and Bosh, Howard left, and now they are the grease trap for a laughably bad contract.
Gunz > still want to yap about their relevance?
timschochet
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I'm getting depressed here. The Lakers' success over the last 40-50 years or so has been a lot of luck: drafting Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Magic Johnson, James Worthy, and Kobe Bryant; trading for Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Shaquille O' Neil, and Pau Gasol. These are the moves that got us all of the championships. The league has become more and more competitive in the meantime. The Knicks, which is just as much a "destination" team as the Lakers, haven't won a championship in 40 + years. Who knows how long it will take the Lakers now? Can we just expect to get lucky again?
Juxtatarot
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Premier
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You can tell yourself that they are a major destination, but all the important NBA players are telling you otherwise.The Lakers are still relevant long term- just not now. Jeremy Lin , Kobe and perhaps Isaiah Thomas does not a championship team make.Going to take a few years for the Lakers to return to competitiveness. They will, because they are still a major destination team with a lot of money. But it's probably not going to be with Kobe Bryant. (Although I can always hope.)So the Lakers missed out on Lebron and Carmelo and Bosh, Howard left, and now they are the grease trap for a laughably bad contract.
Gunz > still want to yap about their relevance?
Dr. Octopus
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Spartans Rule
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I'm kind of coming around on the idea that maybe the Cavs should keep Wiggins. I guess it comes down to what they could do with the added financial flexibility they'd have by not taking on another max contract guy in Love.
shader
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Basketball is different than the other sports, as you need that STUD player. Without him, you are unlikely to build a winner. If David Robinson doesn't injure himself and amazingly lead to a horrible season for San Antonio, they never get Duncan and all the championships.
The Bulls get Jordan and go from a pathetic franchise to an amazing one.
Yes, the Lakers have gotten lucky. It's going to be difficult for them for the next few years unless they strike gold in the draft. But, I think I can speak for the rest of the basketball world, when I say that I don't mind seeing the Lakers in the basement for the next decade.
hxperson
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Weren't most of you Laker fans adamantly defending the Kobe extension just 8 months ago?Because they screwed up:Why not?Lakers were never in on LeBron or Bosh.So the Lakers missed out on Lebron and Carmelo and Bosh, Howard left, and now they are the grease trap for a laughably bad contract.
Gunz > still want to yap about their relevance?
1. The Chris Paul deal that was overturned.
2. Trading for Steve Nash.
3. Dwight Howard not staying (mostly because Jim Buss stubbornly hired the wrong coach.
4. Signing Kobe to a huge contract.
When you have a sport with very few elite players, it doesn't take much to bring your team crashing down. Essentially the Lakers failed to rebuild around Kobe Bryant, preferring to trade picks away for aging former stars. It didn't work.
tommyGunZ
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Beyond stupid. You don't really believe this, do you?You can tell yourself that they are a major destination, but all the important NBA players are telling you otherwise.The Lakers are still relevant long term- just not now. Jeremy Lin , Kobe and perhaps Isaiah Thomas does not a championship team make.Going to take a few years for the Lakers to return to competitiveness. They will, because they are still a major destination team with a lot of money. But it's probably not going to be with Kobe Bryant. (Although I can always hope.)So the Lakers missed out on Lebron and Carmelo and Bosh, Howard left, and now they are the grease trap for a laughably bad contract.
Gunz > still want to yap about their relevance?
pollardsvision
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Leeroy Jenkins
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That could change once Kobe is gone.You can tell yourself that they are a major destination, but all the important NBA players are telling you otherwise.The Lakers are still relevant long term- just not now. Jeremy Lin , Kobe and perhaps Isaiah Thomas does not a championship team make.Going to take a few years for the Lakers to return to competitiveness. They will, because they are still a major destination team with a lot of money. But it's probably not going to be with Kobe Bryant. (Although I can always hope.)So the Lakers missed out on Lebron and Carmelo and Bosh, Howard left, and now they are the grease trap for a laughably bad contract.
Gunz > still want to yap about their relevance?
Good Posting Judge
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Nobody cares, Tim.
timschochet
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I don't remember defending it. I KNOW Groovus didn't defend it. He ripped it to shreds. Don't remember what tommy had to say...Weren't most of you Laker fans adamantly defending the Kobe extension just 8 months ago?Because they screwed up:Why not?Lakers were never in on LeBron or Bosh.So the Lakers missed out on Lebron and Carmelo and Bosh, Howard left, and now they are the grease trap for a laughably bad contract.
Gunz > still want to yap about their relevance?
1. The Chris Paul deal that was overturned.
2. Trading for Steve Nash.
3. Dwight Howard not staying (mostly because Jim Buss stubbornly hired the wrong coach.
4. Signing Kobe to a huge contract.
When you have a sport with very few elite players, it doesn't take much to bring your team crashing down. Essentially the Lakers failed to rebuild around Kobe Bryant, preferring to trade picks away for aging former stars. It didn't work.
Dr. Octopus
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pollardsvision
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Lakers are still a destination. They just need to get Kobe's ### out of there
timschochet
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Really? Then why are there so many responses to my post?
The Lakers remain the most talked about team in this thread, bar none.
Ghost Rider
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Aside from resigning Bryant in '04, what major free agents have gone to the Lakers recently?Beyond stupid. You don't really believe this, do you?You can tell yourself that they are a major destination, but all the important NBA players are telling you otherwise.The Lakers are still relevant long term- just not now. Jeremy Lin , Kobe and perhaps Isaiah Thomas does not a championship team make.Going to take a few years for the Lakers to return to competitiveness. They will, because they are still a major destination team with a lot of money. But it's probably not going to be with Kobe Bryant. (Although I can always hope.)So the Lakers missed out on Lebron and Carmelo and Bosh, Howard left, and now they are the grease trap for a laughably bad contract.
Gunz > still want to yap about their relevance?
rodg12
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The thing I keep coming back to is this...a major part of what got the Heat beat this past season was the lack of depth they could assemble around their Big 3. The Spurs just kept coming in waves and obliterated them. I think it'd be better overall for the Cavs to keep Wiggins and maintain as much depth and flexibility as they can.
timschochet
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And of course Cliff puts the Lakers back in the thread title, just to let us all know how "irrelevant" they are. Proving my point.
timschochet
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B-Deep
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"We had five great years together and one terrible night," Gilbert told James, and so started the process of reconciliation on Sunday night in Miami. "I told him how sorry I was, expressed regret for how that night went and how I let all the emotion and passion for the situation carry me away. I told him I wish I had never done it, that I wish I could take it back."
i still think he should have stood up and said that publicly
Good Posting Judge
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The LAkers being a destination had a lot to do with throwing a #### ton of money at players and being a media town. the cap and the internet have nullified those advantages, to a large extent.
Todem
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The airwaves down here are thankful to Lebron. And they should be. The great thing is The Heat has always been a great franchise and no doubt will get back to a competitive stature. It's not if just when. So as any true fan of the team, I am looking forward to the future and look fondly on the past. Whether Lebron ever wins another title is not what led to his decision. Clearly an emotional family decision.
Lebron the moment he opted out in reality owed nothing to the Heat. If we want to be technical he fulfilled his contract. Would have it been nice if just let Micky, Pat and his teammates known his intentions a little sooner? Yeah I can see that. I root for the Heat. Not Lebron. It's about the jersey for me. I have seen it all from this team. From Alan Ogg (rest in peace) to what we just had.
So again and for the final time. Thank you Lebron and Chris (if he does indeed leave) all the best.
Lebron the moment he opted out in reality owed nothing to the Heat. If we want to be technical he fulfilled his contract. Would have it been nice if just let Micky, Pat and his teammates known his intentions a little sooner? Yeah I can see that. I root for the Heat. Not Lebron. It's about the jersey for me. I have seen it all from this team. From Alan Ogg (rest in peace) to what we just had.
So again and for the final time. Thank you Lebron and Chris (if he does indeed leave) all the best.
Ghost Rider
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That what, you and GunZ always talking about them means everyone is talking about the Lakers?
Enjoy your irrelevancy. You guys are like Jerry Jones is with his Cowboys: you are so thrilled that people still talk about your team that you don't even care that they don't matter.
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timschochet
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I think this is true. I think LeBron's return to Cleveland is portent of a huge change for the NBA in this regard. As a Lakers fan, I don't like it very much, but as an NBA fan, I have to admit that it bodes well for the league.
timschochet
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I'm simply astonished that nobody feels any sympathy for us Lakers fans. What a shocker!
TobiasFunke
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The most important message that the league and its players should take away from this is that everyone loves the story of an NBA superstar who returns to his hometown in free agency. It's really the best choice that an MVP-caliber player can possibly make. Especially if there's already an all-star PG and a talented young wing in the fold there to support him.
Joe Summer
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The trades for Wilt, Kareem, and Shaq weren't about luck; they were mostly about those players forcing their way to Los Angeles. (Same with Kobe, actually.)And Magic, Worthy and Gasol didn't arrive due to "luck", either -- they arrived because the Lakers preyed upon cash-poor bottom-feeding teams to steal their players and draft picks. That's not luck, it's skill. And money.
tommyGunZ
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shtick?
What do you think the Heat do assuming Bosh leaves too? Give Wade a nice contract and tank? Give Wade a nice contract and try to bring in some guys to compete?
MAC_32
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Captain Quinoa
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Todem
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If Bosh ends up staying they can be pretty decent. But if he leaves as expected I think Wade gets his 4 year deal and we gear up for the next round of free agency. If we end up really being bad this year we have a great shot at a top 10 pick which is protected.
It will take a while though to recover. This year is probably going to be very very ugly.
rodg12
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Bulls kicking the tires on Wade, apparently. Maybe he goes home, too?
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA · 39s
The Chicago Bulls are gauging interest with free agent Dwyane Wade, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA · 39s
The Chicago Bulls are gauging interest with free agent Dwyane Wade, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
Frostillicus
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The Cavs should trade Wiggins, that Heat first rounder, Bennett, and Thompson for Love.
pollardsvision
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The NBA's changing, but we can't forget that it was a series of very unlikely things that led to this.
-The best player on the planet being from Akron, and being the first megastar in the history of sports that's ever actually given a #### about going home
-Clippers making a really stupid trade putting Irving in CLE (okay, so that wasn't unlikely)
-MIA ownership getting cheap at the wrong time
-A bunch of teams having cap space, preventing Riley from getting a better FA than McRoberts
-CLE's series of awful decisions over the last 4 years actually turning out to be a good thing
And most importantly after all that, the 1.7% lotto ticket coming through. Without that, this absolutely doesn't happen.
(also, Embiid's injury news coming out when it did, instead of a couple weeks later)
This sort of event isn't likely to occur again.
shader
Footballguy
Miami needs to do right by Wade, and pay him a big one-year contract, focus on the future, and get the cap ready to go after another big fish in the future. South Beach will be a popular destination again.
Captain Quinoa
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mcintyre1
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Bobcat10
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Cavs helping facilitate Bosh to Houston by trading Gee to the Pelicans, and not the Hornets, so the Asik deal can get done. I thought that was a draft day trade between Cavs and Hornets, but I guess it can still be changed? Anyways...now we're gonna see all the dominoes start to fall..should be continued fun.
Cliff Clavin
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