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Losing Klay exposes Curry defensively. Iggy is a great defender against wings but not against PGs. All of the sudden Klay is a below average defender. It's like no one watched the play off series vs LAC.
If GSW takes him they want Levine and/or an unprotected first. They need someone athletic enough to check elite PGs.
lol take Love for Klay and overpaid lee, and demand their first round pick as well. DELUSIONAL
They believe Klay + Lee > Love + whoever and the make up of their team depends on a strong defensive guard to cover for Curry. Sometimes the trade doesn't fit. This isn't fantasy basketball.
I've watched enough Iggy to know he is more than capable against point guards defensively. Its great having two defenders like Iggy and Thompson, but rarely do teams face two great perimeter threats, so its more of a luxury than a necessity. With the roster they have now, if the Warriors need to try to shut down two perimeter guys, Iggy and Green are a nice tandem. With Love floating way out in the perimeter, the spacing issues wouldn't be that big of a deal, especially as Iguodala is a better shooter than his reputation.
Shortsighted to get that hung up on the current roster. They have a chance to pair a 24 year-old superstar with a 25-year old superstar. That's rare. They can find another defensive guard. It wouldn't even have to be a great shooter - a team with Curry and Love isn't going to have spacing issues.
Sure we'd like to have the best PF in the game, but we need to solidify backup Center first.
Age and knee problems are beginning to take their toll on Iggy. What you watched early in his career is slightly different than the player he is now.. Agree that Green is a very good perimeter defender, but neither him nor Iggy are very well suited to shut down elite PGs.
Ever since the greatest player of all time fell to them at the #3 pick and they won 6 titles in 8 years and then subsequently won another draft lottery and drafted an MVP that poor franchise just can't seem to catch a break.Juxtatarot said:
LolEver since the greatest player of all time fell to them at the #3 pick and they won 6 titles in 8 years and then subsequently won another draft lottery and drafted an MVP that poor franchise just can't seem to catch a break.Juxtatarot said:
I'm kind of shuked as to why they are. Getting him so they can overpay him next year and remain a bottom-feeder doesn't seem like a good plan to me
LolEver since the greatest player of all time fell to them at the #3 pick and they won 6 titles in 8 years and then subsequently won another draft lottery and drafted an MVP that poor franchise just can't seem to catch a break.Juxtatarot said:
Meanwhile in the same arena, the Blackhawks are racking up Cups.
HOW DOES CHICAGO FAN EVEN GET UP EVERY DAY
Yeah, some of the defensive confusion in this thread is just terrible. Even network statheads have pretty much given up on the idea of trying to quantify defensive contributions. Your individual strengths can show up better in teammates' results, since you're taking burdens off of them, and manning up against other teams' best. Your individual weaknesses, especially if they are -- like Love's -- weaknesses in quickness and athleticism, tend to collapse your team's efforts and render your teammates' efforts useless. Meaning you come off looking ok, and your teammates take the brunt of the stat hit, even though the problems lie 100% on your shoulders.
When you have to pull out some mess called DRTG, DWS shares, D-ASPM, ESPN RPM, DRPM, and "simple rating" to make your case... you look rigadamndiculous.
You can't score on us but we can't score on you! (OK I'm mostly talking about Rubio's shooting, and Wiggins can still improve his)Imagine Rubio and Wiggins. Shut down city.
Can't tell if serious or shtick.When you have to pull out some mess called DRTG, DWS shares, D-ASPM, ESPN RPM, DRPM, and "simple rating" to make your case... you look rigadamndiculous.
Our eyeballs tell us he is neither great nor awful on defense. This is enough.
All part of the Flip[ master plan to drive up the bids for Love?I'm kind of shuked as to why they are. Getting him so they can overpay him next year and remain a bottom-feeder doesn't seem like a good plan to me
It's really just cause he's standing in the paint while the other 4 guys on his team are defending. At least that's what my eyes see.
Probably time to take worm off ignore. I know he's borderline intolerable, but suck it up imo.
My first thought was that this would finally silence the conspiracy theory nutjobs. Then I realized that if the Eastern Conference Finals were Toronto vs Charlotte this year the conspiracy theorists would be telling us that Adam Silver fixed the playoffs to help grow the game in Canada and to get Michael Jordan back in the spotlight.
If the NBA had it's way Cleveland will be the 4th seed and Miami the 5th.
I'm sure there are different methodologies, but this says .783 points. http://www.keeperofthecourt.com/2012/08/09/on-defensive-rebounding-and-its-impact/So by my math, Love actually averaged 117 points per game last year.
I don't see how it can be a fixed value when you have players who obviously put forth less effort, yielding easier opportunities for their opponent, in order to maintain better rebounding position.
It's because he's got a really strong lower body, is excellent at understanding, establishing, and using position. Same reason he's way above average as an isolation post defender, yet his team is terrible at defending the paint.
Love is also pretty cerebral in this. He's worked really hard to become an excellent outlet passer. Arguably the league's best at it. He knows (as do his coaches and teammates) that he (and they) will be giving up easy opportunities in the paint more often than other teams. They counter that by guaranteeing themselves easy opportunities in the counterattack.
