Willie Neslon
Footballguy
What a shame to end the game like that. That's not called 80-90% of the time. To call it with 4 seconds left, down one in the national semi-final is just awful. UConn jobbed, fans robbed.
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NCAA Basketball Thread - 2022-3 Season (1 Viewer)
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What a terrible way to end a game. I really hope SC takes care of business. 18-9 final foul count and they played a huge part of the game including not letting UConn have a shot at the end after making a great steal to get an opportunity.
A win would have been nice but honestly, UConn would have gotten crushed by that deep SC team. They were able to contain Clark and make this a game but can’t do that against SC.
A win would have been nice but honestly, UConn would have gotten crushed by that deep SC team. They were able to contain Clark and make this a game but can’t do that against SC.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Your complaints about the foul count are silly. UConn employed the same approach the Pats DBs used against the Colts WRs many years ago. Clark was getting mauled out there most of the game. Refs could have called 30-40 fouls in the first half alone. The UConn gameplan ensured that they would get called for more fouls — and IMO that’s not a negative, it was a rational and deliberate approach. And if not for a horrible last second call, on par with the worst late game call of all time (the 2002 WCF call on Mike Bibby when Kobe hit him in the face), UConn would have had a chance to win on the last possession. Great gameplan by Geno and staff. They didn’t let Clark beat them. But the box score was always going to be way way more fouls on UConn — by design.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
The UCONN screener visually lines the defender up, then both leans into her and flares the 'bow out as she's coming through. And the height differential highlighted all of the above. Not sure what the refs are supposed to do.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I mean. C'mon now. That is an easy call.
Jayrod
Footballguy
Not call that foul. I think it looked worse than it was by the defender's reaction, but she barely shifts in her stance. Bueckers was already 2 steps past the screen and the "foul" was going to have no bearing on the play.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
You and the video will have to agree to disagree.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
If it was at the other end and it's Clark coming off the screen for the game-winner down 1, anyone think they call that?
Capella
Footballguy
Yea I’ve changed my stance and it’s definitely a foul. Look how wide her feet are.
The Gator
Footballguy
Perfect angle. Always a foul
Jayrod
Footballguy
I'm not too sure what UCONN was going to do there honestly. Bueckers had gotten the ball with less than 4 seconds left, Stuelke was right in her face and Clark was ready to help if she got around her. There was still time for 1 more pass, but Bueckers would have had to force it if she was going to shoot.
We will never know though and got robbed of a great finish.
We will never know though and got robbed of a great finish.
Jayrod
Footballguy
That's sped up and makes it look worse. It was a screen, turn and re-screen.
Was it technically a foul? Sure. Lots of screens are like that and don't get called.
But in a 1 pt game in the Final 4? Nah, that's a play on.
Jayrod
Footballguy
Watching it again, Edwards has the roll to the elbow/FT line with space. If Bueckers sees it and hits her they could have had something, but I got the sense that the play was to get Bueckers loose and Stuelke did a good job switching out to cover any open look there.
scoobus
Footballguy
That's sped up?
Deamon
Footballguy
That link was absolutely not sped up, that's real time.
I'm in the extreme minority probably where I don't really have an opinion on that call. Fine that it got called, would have been fine if it wasn't called.
It was definitely a foul though, watch it from this angle/speed.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
It sucks for UConn that they didn’t even get a chance to get a shot off, but I don’t know how you can look at this photo and say that’s not a foul. She absolutely threw her knee and elbow way out. Textbook moving screen.
Of course that call is going to get a lot of thr attention, but we should also be talking about the high basketball IQ plays those last 2 inbounds plays were. Clark throwing it off of Paige when Paige had her back turned was a great way to run a bit of clock (though slightly dangerous if that ball ricocheted at Clark). And inbounding it to basically just deflect the ball straight up to run the last 0.8 was smarter than giving UConn any chance to foul or deflect,
Of course that call is going to get a lot of thr attention, but we should also be talking about the high basketball IQ plays those last 2 inbounds plays were. Clark throwing it off of Paige when Paige had her back turned was a great way to run a bit of clock (though slightly dangerous if that ball ricocheted at Clark). And inbounding it to basically just deflect the ball straight up to run the last 0.8 was smarter than giving UConn any chance to foul or deflect,
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Being 2 steps past the screen is irrelevant to the foul call.
Watching the game I thought it was a bad call, watching the replay the call was correct. They don`t make that call it would be the same complaining would be going on from other side.
But here is the key. People are actually talking about a women's NCAA BB game!! This is the first time I have been watching and actually enjoy the games no matter who is playing.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
This is how it was for me, too.
Edwards stuck her leg out, so she wasn't set. I think if she had made the same motion she did with just her arm (with her legs already set), they may not have called it.
I don't know if Buekers had seem the replay by the time of the post-game press conference (she couldn't see it as it happened because the play was behind her), but she said something to the effect of "we had chances to make one more play all game - this one didn't cost us the game".
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
As a ref, you should know what a clear moving screen is
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
ChiefD
Footballguy
Bossman
Footballguy
Everyone criticizing the ref for making that call ...
Not one person blaming the screening player for barely coming to a stop (did she?), leaning out and sticking out the elbow, ... when the defender was already behind the play anyway.
I agree with the call and UConn had been called for it previously that game. At least once that I recall.
Poor timing there but the player setting the screen needs to be smarter than that with 3 seconds left in the game. Why even take a chance with a lean and an elbow?
Not one person blaming the screening player for barely coming to a stop (did she?), leaning out and sticking out the elbow, ... when the defender was already behind the play anyway.
I agree with the call and UConn had been called for it previously that game. At least once that I recall.
Poor timing there but the player setting the screen needs to be smarter than that with 3 seconds left in the game. Why even take a chance with a lean and an elbow?
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Biggest pet peeve in basketball. Get the stupid coaches off the court.
Deamon
Footballguy
Yep.
If they didn’t call it and Paige won it for UCONN, then Iowa loses on a missed call.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Agreed. I can't think of another team sport where the coach or manager is regularly allowed to be on the legal field of play and be that close to the action during a live play.
Bossman
Footballguy
If the defender was able to get around that screen, coach was set up to take her out with a screen of his own.
That defender didn't have a chance.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Looks like a straight up body check in that clip.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
She literally raises her elbow into her…
Willie Neslon
Footballguy
I don't watch many women's games but in the men's game a moving screen is called a foul in my estimation about 30%40% of the time. The rest of the time it is ignored. So for a ref to make this call with a team down one with 4 seconds left in a national semi-final game is completely nuts. If these fouls were called 100% of the time I'd agree it should be called at that point of the game too but we all know they are not called 100% of the time. And it's not just moving screens. Other fouls like push-offs are not called 100% of the time either. Clark got away with a blatant push-off earlier in the game on a play where she scored an important bucket. That's why you swallow the whistle in the last 10 seconds unless it's so egregious that you have no choice. You don't suddenly turn into an eagle eye and call an offensive foul in that situation. You rob sports fans of the moments we tune into games to see.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I don't watch a lot of womens college basketball, but seems odd that they call more goaltending violations in the men's game then then the women's game.
boilerdave
Footballguy
I’ve been hydrating all day. Just had a nice pregame meal.
Less than an hour to tip-off. The tension is Rick Mounting.
Less than an hour to tip-off. The tension is Rick Mounting.
gump
Footballguy
Let's go shock the world, boys! https://x.com/AlabamaMBB/status/1776438986179006921
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
It was a foul. No problem with the call.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
That did not look good.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Big Maple is James Paxton's nickname. We can't come up with an original nickname for Edey?
boilerdave
Footballguy
Good game so far.
It would be better if Braden Smith didn’t pick today to have the worst game of his career.
It would be better if Braden Smith didn’t pick today to have the worst game of his career.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
‘Pack down 6 at half. That’s good for their chances. Both teams look really sloppy…especially Purdue guards.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Was there anything more predictable in this game than Burns foul trouble. LOL
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Hectic right now
General Malaise
Footballguy
I am sorry but the women's game is so much more pleasant to watch than the men's game right now. These offenses are terrible.
Capella
Footballguy
Well they go from playing in basketball arenas to these stupid giant stadiums. I remember hearing the under is always the play on final four Saturday.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Both teams are shooting 37%. The stadium can't possibly be the reason for this. Duke's exit game they shot 28%, not in a stadium. Duke.
It's a tough watch. And yet, here I am.
Capella
Footballguy
Well I mean we’ve already discussed upthread how horrible the college game is. People watch because the tournament format is amazing. The games are trash.
