Ramblin Wreck
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Doesn't KenPom overrate the slower teams like UVA, WVU, and Wisconsin every year and admit to doing it? Or am I making all of this up in my head?
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Don't Noonan
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Agreed. If Oregon wins today I believe both Oregon and Gonzaga deserve 1 seeds. It is a shame they both are competing for the west. I have said it before but I would rather have Oregon as the 2 seed in the west than a 1 seed elsewhere.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Capella
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Capella
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CabinFever
Footballguy
Gary Parrish from CBS is seeing the light
I haven’t heard many Bracketologists suggest Duke has a real chance to be a No. 1 seed in the NCAA Tournament. But I floated the idea earlier this week, and now I believe it’s a definite possibility.
Or at least it should be.
Here’s why …
If Duke beats Notre Dame in the ACC Tournament title game Saturday night, the Blue Devils will have eight top-25 RPI wins and 13 top-50 RPI wins. That would lead the nation in both categories. And they’re 2-1 against North Carolina, which would have three fewer top-25 RPI wins, two fewer top-50 wins and the same number of sub-50 and sub-100 losses. So can somebody please explain why UNC is considered a lock by some to be a No. 1 seed? Or why Duke isn’t being seriously discussed as No. 1? And while I recognize Oregon and Arizona are terrific, neither can come close to matching Duke’s wins. Arizona has five top-50 RPI wins. Oregon has four.
(Gonzaga has six, for those wondering).
I have Duke fourth in the updated Top 25 (and one).
So you know where I stand.
And the fact that Duke’s top seven scorers have combined to miss 25 games -- mixed with the fact that its Hall of Fame coach, Mike Krzyzewski, missed seven games, which resulted in three of Duke’s eight losses -- also supports Duke’s cause. So does a No. 10 strength of schedule rating, which is two spots better than North Carolina’s, 22 spots better than Arizona’s and 39 spots better than Oregon’s.
To be clear, I’m not predicting the selection committee will make Duke a No. 1 seed if it wins Saturday. I’m just strongly suggesting the selection committee should make Duke a No. 1 seed if it wins Saturday. Either way, the Blue Devils’ jump from ninth to fourth in the Top 25 (and one) pushed Kentucky down to No. 9, no fault of its own. Similarly, Notre Dame’s jump from 15th to 11th following Friday’s win over Florida State pushed West Virginia down to No. 14, no fault of its own. And Minnesota replaced Maryland. Richard Pitino’s Golden Gophers are now 26th.
I haven’t heard many Bracketologists suggest Duke has a real chance to be a No. 1 seed in the NCAA Tournament. But I floated the idea earlier this week, and now I believe it’s a definite possibility.
Or at least it should be.
Here’s why …
If Duke beats Notre Dame in the ACC Tournament title game Saturday night, the Blue Devils will have eight top-25 RPI wins and 13 top-50 RPI wins. That would lead the nation in both categories. And they’re 2-1 against North Carolina, which would have three fewer top-25 RPI wins, two fewer top-50 wins and the same number of sub-50 and sub-100 losses. So can somebody please explain why UNC is considered a lock by some to be a No. 1 seed? Or why Duke isn’t being seriously discussed as No. 1? And while I recognize Oregon and Arizona are terrific, neither can come close to matching Duke’s wins. Arizona has five top-50 RPI wins. Oregon has four.
(Gonzaga has six, for those wondering).
I have Duke fourth in the updated Top 25 (and one).
So you know where I stand.
And the fact that Duke’s top seven scorers have combined to miss 25 games -- mixed with the fact that its Hall of Fame coach, Mike Krzyzewski, missed seven games, which resulted in three of Duke’s eight losses -- also supports Duke’s cause. So does a No. 10 strength of schedule rating, which is two spots better than North Carolina’s, 22 spots better than Arizona’s and 39 spots better than Oregon’s.
To be clear, I’m not predicting the selection committee will make Duke a No. 1 seed if it wins Saturday. I’m just strongly suggesting the selection committee should make Duke a No. 1 seed if it wins Saturday. Either way, the Blue Devils’ jump from ninth to fourth in the Top 25 (and one) pushed Kentucky down to No. 9, no fault of its own. Similarly, Notre Dame’s jump from 15th to 11th following Friday’s win over Florida State pushed West Virginia down to No. 14, no fault of its own. And Minnesota replaced Maryland. Richard Pitino’s Golden Gophers are now 26th.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Nobody knows for sure now do they? Lunardi was wrong last year and he could very well be wrong again this year. Some websites are predicting Oregon as the 1 seed in the west so it isn't just me.
Arizona will be tough tonight as it is basically a home game for them.
strykerpks
Footballguy
They're finally starting to click. They don't have the horses (or FT%) for a deep run but I don't think anyone is looking forward to playing them. Should be a pretty strong 6ish seed.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
I like Arizona too but I believe it would be hard for the committee to place them as the 1 seed in the west over Gonzaga considering they lost to them earlier this year.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Harvard/Yale - 2 pt game with a minute left. The U.
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Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Might be totally wrong but I don't see Duke getting to the 1-line because they win the ACC Tournament. They finished 5th in the regular season standings. But I think they will be on the 2-line. I'm sure Duke would love to be the #2 in the East because the regionals are in MSG where 90% of the fans live.
I think Villanova (who is rolling right now) will be the #1 overall seed. I think Kansas and UNC are #1 seeds. UNC is top 3 in RPI, KenPom, etc.... I think Gonzaga and the Pac-12 champ will be 1 and 2 in the West and it really doesn't matter who is the 1 or the 2, IMO.
I think Villanova (who is rolling right now) will be the #1 overall seed. I think Kansas and UNC are #1 seeds. UNC is top 3 in RPI, KenPom, etc.... I think Gonzaga and the Pac-12 champ will be 1 and 2 in the West and it really doesn't matter who is the 1 or the 2, IMO.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Oregon starting Center tore his ACL last night. Committee has downgraded teams because of injury before so I don't think Oregon has a shot at a 1 seed. I think they will be on the 2-line though.
simey
Footballguy
Plus they got beat by NC State @Duke, and State was the worst team in the league this season. It is the one shining moment my beloved Wolfpack had this season.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I heard they could get a one seed. Many people are saying this. It might be true, I don't know. It will happen.
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Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Just horrible news for the Ducks. Unreal. Sick to my stomach right now. Technically not the starting center but he is solid.
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
Yeah, huge loss. I heard the rumor a few hours ago from someone who is down in Vegas for the tourney, but hoped it was only that. Story is he simply stepped wrong off of a curb last night, total freak thing. Brutal for Boucher and big loss for The Ducks.
Eta:. Report is he tore it in the first half last night but was able to keep playing. Shades of Dennis Dixon.
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Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Feel so bad for him, no chance he gets drafted now. Why are the Ducks so snakebitten? Dennis Dixon in 07 derailed their title in football. Ifo and Devon Allen blowing out their knees before NC game and Carrington failed drug test. Ugh.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Jerry Palm has them as the 1 in the South, but I know you are trying to be funny.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
They just missed a clear Duke turnover inbounding the ball at 71-69. Ridiculous
NutterButter
Footballguy
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
NutterButter
Footballguy
I'm sure he would've like that to be the case and not saying it wasn't, but I'm still gonna need to see a replay. Crazy to think, but sometimes its close.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Sorry for the Squistion but did find this funny for the Oregon homers.
Nicole AuerbachVerified account @NicoleAuerbach 51s51 seconds ago
Duke has as more wins vs. the RPI top 25 this week (3) than Oregon has all season (entering tonight's game).
Nicole AuerbachVerified account @NicoleAuerbach 51s51 seconds ago
Duke has as more wins vs. the RPI top 25 this week (3) than Oregon has all season (entering tonight's game).
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
CabinFever
Footballguy
Wooo Hooo! Way to go Duke!! #1 seed
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Duke fans - Would you rather be #1 in the South and potentially have Kentucky and UCLA in Memphis? Or be #2 in the East with Villanova but play in Madison Square Garden?
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Holy crap Bill Walton is like listening to my drunk uncle watching a game. Just total nonsense and ridiculous homer comments.
Dickie Dunn
Footballguy
SOS of 2. Non-con SOS of 1 ... 8-9 road/neutral record. Six top 50 wins. Only one sub-100 loss. So much better a resume than what Syracuse has.
I know that no team ever has gotten an at-large with 15 losses, but if it's ever going to happen, Vandy should be it.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
It seems like the last 3 spots will come from Syracuse, USC, Rhode Island (who may get in automatically), Kansas State and Wake Forest.
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
And we have to put up with him about 10 times per year. So bad.
We play the "Conference of Champions" drinking game to make it a little more bearable. A couple of games this year I may have not made it to the end.
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
Good fight by the Ducks in the 2nd half, just couldn't make the big play and Arizona did, repeatedly. Will be interesting to see if the committee drops them to a 3 because of the Boucher injury after that, when going in to today it was consensus that they were a 2.
ETA: Arizona is scary, their best player (Markaaaaaannnnnnaaannnn) wasn't good tonight and they still were tough. Weapons all over the court.
ETA: Arizona is scary, their best player (Markaaaaaannnnnnaaannnn) wasn't good tonight and they still were tough. Weapons all over the court.
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5Rings
Lurker
Haven't wanted to come in here since this game. I hate BYU. On the bright side, glad we got our #### game out now instead of in the tourney.
Not so sure we don't get a 1 seed still.
Nice to see another alumnus pop his head in. Cheers Irish and Go Zags!
Prince Myshkin
Footballguy
anybody else think the ACC tourney celebration was a bit much for a conference tourney? I know the league was great this year, but I fully expected to see a "One Shining Moment" montage after the 2 metric tons of confetti
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I guess, but it isn't a big deal to me in the grand scheme of things. SEC football fans & commentators do basically the same thing every day during the Fall on every damned blog site/dedicated TV network/radio show/web site.
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
BracketMatrix has both Duke and Arizona jumping Louisville and Baylor for 2-seeds.
Their last four in: Wake, USC, K-State, Rhode Island (URI can get an auto bid with a win today)
First four out: Syracuse, Illinois State, Illinois, Georgia (not much support for Illinois or Georgia)
Their last four in: Wake, USC, K-State, Rhode Island (URI can get an auto bid with a win today)
First four out: Syracuse, Illinois State, Illinois, Georgia (not much support for Illinois or Georgia)
Prince Myshkin
Footballguy
Oh not a big deal at all...and it was actually my wife that pointed it out or I wouldn't have noticed at all.
Football is another beast entirely.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Prince Myshkin
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
Doesn't seem to be. URI's opponent, VCU, is a 9-seed in BracketMatrix and I doubt losing today bumps them out of the entire field.
My understanding of today's process, by priority:
- Pick the final field
- S-curve the top 4-5 seed lines, bracket the 1-4 seeds and assign them to pod and regional locations
- Main group takes break while the 13-16 seed subcommittee brackets the autobids at the bottom of the bracket (they try to accommodate financial requests when possible, some schools will volunteer to drop a seed or two if it means they can bus to the opening weekend instead of fly)
- bracket rest of field (if it seems like big mistakes are made with the 6-11 seeds, it's the lowest priority of the TSC and they only spend 60-90 minutes on it)