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Looking forward to the 2020 tourney where an undefeated Michigan St gets a 3 seed and put in the same region as 5 loss Duke and Kentucky as the 1 and 2 seeds.

 
MSU got completely screwed over. 

8 Big Ten teams made it. Most by any conference. Yet the champ gets weak 2 seed?

Beat a very good Michigan team three times. Very hard to do.

Won the Big Ten regular reason

Won the Big Ten tourney.

And two ACC teams that both LOST in their conference semis get 1 seeds?!?

Then, to add insult to injury, you put them with Duke? That's basically saying you're the weakest 2 seed.

Absolute joke.

 
Payne said:
MSU got completely screwed over. 

8 Big Ten teams made it. Most by any conference. Yet the champ gets weak 2 seed?

Beat a very good Michigan team three times. Very hard to do.

Won the Big Ten regular reason

Won the Big Ten tourney.

And two ACC teams that both LOST in their conference semis get 1 seeds?!?

Then, to add insult to injury, you put them with Duke? That's basically saying you're the weakest 2 seed.

Absolute joke.
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it wasn't a weak 2...it was a high 2 and they prioritize region and don't look at potential matchups later in the tourney.

 
Payne said:
MSU got completely screwed over. 

8 Big Ten teams made it. Most by any conference. Yet the champ gets weak 2 seed?

Beat a very good Michigan team three times. Very hard to do.

Won the Big Ten regular reason

Won the Big Ten tourney.

And two ACC teams that both LOST in their conference semis get 1 seeds?!?

Then, to add insult to injury, you put them with Duke? That's basically saying you're the weakest 2 seed.

Absolute joke.
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You forgot to say lost to indiana twice. And lost to Illinois. 

You cant be so upset about being in the bracket with duke and then pretend that UVA didnt only lose to one team not named duke. 

You cant ignore that UNC beat two of the 3 other number 1 seeds and then point out that they lost in their conference semi finals  but not mention that they lost to the team that you think is the strongest 1 seed. 

 
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shuke said:
It used to be for the top 16 seeds.  When did they stop?
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They stopped several years ago because teams were throwing a fit about travel and fans weren’t going. Part of the solution was the pod system, but the other part was keeping teams in their preferred region. In this particular case, you could argue Michigan St would sign up to play their games in Alaska to avoid Duke, but that’s not really the point. 

 
This is really the first time I ever really can remember watching the selection show and thinking "These seeds are terrible."  And that's coming from someone who's school might benefit from them.

Of course I'm old, so I might have complained about seedings last year and just have forgotten.

 
BTW, Grand Canyon collapsed and blew their chance.

But congrats to Abilene Christian and Gardner-Webb for making the Big Dance for the first time ever.

Next season the number is 42 teams.

 
parasaurolophus said:
That foul at the 7:23 mark is one of my least favorite calls in basketball. They almost never call three seconds. They almost never call the seal off. But they call the guy pushing back on the guy backing him down all the time. 
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You can't call three seconds if the player is dribbling.  You are supposed to let him finish his move.

 
TheIronSheik said:
This is really the first time I ever really can remember watching the selection show and thinking "These seeds are terrible."  And that's coming from someone who's school might benefit from them.

Of course I'm old, so I might have complained about seedings last year and just have forgotten.
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I think the seeding was as good as it’s ever been. What is your beef?

 
And if it’s Michigan State, make sure you mention the losses to Indiana and Illinois, which literally no Michigan State fan on twitter is doing. 

 
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Capella said:
I think the seeding was as good as it’s ever been. What is your beef?
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Not looking at a bracket currently, but the couple that come to mind were Gonzaga getting a 1 after losing to a bad team in their tournament.  Michigan State getting a 2 seed and put in Duke's bracket.  Tennessee possibly having to play Cincinnati in Ohio to get to the Sweet 16.

Nothing major, but usually I'm more upset with teams not being included than I am about seedings.

 
One team that IMO got kind of hosed by the geographic priority thing was Duke. Not only do they draw Michigan State as their 2 seed, but Virginia Tech is an incredibly tough 4 seed. KemPom has them at 11 overall and that's with Justin Robinson, arguably their best player, missing the last 11 games.  These late season returns can sometimes go wrong, but if he slides back in without trouble they're one of the ten best teams in the country. They also have a huge alumni base in DC, which is where the East plays next weekend.

They really need to get rid of this geography over fairness thing IMO. There's tons of similar minor injustices all over the bracket. The 2 seed, 3 seed and 7 seed in UVa's bracket are all reasonably close to Louisville.  Maryland is the 6 seed in the East- College Park is so close to the stadium that you can get from the campus to the stadium in 9 subway stops, which sucks for Michigan State or whoever else is there if they advance. And of course there's Kansas possibly playing in Kansas City as a 4 seed.

 
My alma mater beat a 1 seed, a 3 seed, and a 4 seed, but didn't make the field. Of course, they also lost to Radford, so....

 
Confession time.  I'm a basketball nerd, but possibly the least engaged one that you could find.  Having a hockey playing daughter has killed a lot of opportunity.  I'm looking for a couple of teams to watch in the first two rounds (or more) that meet some of the following criteria, in no particular order, for obtaining a basketball stiffy.  Please advice.  HAGS, YIC, etc.  

Excellent team defense, man or zone

Teams/programs known for their 2-3 or 1-3-1

Ball movement on offense

The Princeton offense 

A significant press or halfcourt trap game

Refined offensive individual players

Must see hoop freaks not named "Zion," who I will for sure watch later in the tourney

Good David v Goliath matchup

 
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munga30 said:
Confession time.  I'm a basketball nerd, but possibly the least engaged one that you could find.  Having a hockey playing daughter has killed a lot of opportunity.  I'm looking for a couple of teams to watch in the first two rounds (or more) that meet some of the following criteria, in no particular order, for obtaining a basketball stiffy.  Please advice.  HAGS, YIC, etc.  

Excellent team defense, man or zone

Teams/programs known for their 2-3 or 1-3-1 

Ball movement on offense

The Princeton offense  

A significant press or halfcourt trap game 

Refined offensive individual players

Must see hoop freaks not named "Zion," who I will for sure watch later in the tourney

Good David v Goliath matchup
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This will be easy.  The Marquette/Murray State matchup has the two most exciting non-Zion players in the tournament in Markus Howard and Ja Morant. Late afternoon Thursday on TBS.

Texas Tech is another one to look for.  They have the #1 team defense according to KenPom and one of the better players in the country in Jarrett Culver.

 
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TobiasFunke said:
One team that IMO got kind of hosed by the geographic priority thing was Duke. Not only do they draw Michigan State as their 2 seed, but Virginia Tech is an incredibly tough 4 seed. KemPom has them at 11 overall and that's with Justin Robinson, arguably their best player, missing the last 11 games.  These late season returns can sometimes go wrong, but if he slides back in without trouble they're one of the ten best teams in the country. They also have a huge alumni base in DC, which is where the East plays next weekend.

They really need to get rid of this geography over fairness thing IMO. There's tons of similar minor injustices all over the bracket. The 2 seed, 3 seed and 7 seed in UVa's bracket are all reasonably close to Louisville.  Maryland is the 6 seed in the East- College Park is so close to the stadium that you can get from the campus to the stadium in 9 subway stops, which sucks for Michigan State or whoever else is there if they advance. And of course there's Kansas possibly playing in Kansas City as a 4 seed.
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I dont have too many problems with the way things got handed down, but I am pretty confused. They clearly did not use the net rankings like we were told. 

 
TobiasFunke said:
This will be easy.  The Marquette/Murray State matchup has the two most exciting non-Zion players in the tournament in Markus Howard and Ja Morant. Late game Thursday night on TBS.
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This is the popular time for complaining and I have my own gripes, but credit where credit's due with some of these matchups - this one's 4:30 Thursday though (not late night).  

 
I'm kind of embarrassed for all of the sparty fans I've seen crying about their seeding and having to be in a region with Duke.  just man up and play who is in front of you.  by the time you get to the final 8, any 1 or 2 seed you would have had to play would be a pretty good team.  how about just beating Duke, instead of trying to avoid having to play them?

 
parasaurolophus said:
I dont have too many problems with the way things got handed down, but I am pretty confused. They clearly did not use the net rankings like we were told. 
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I'm glad they didn't - the computers are a guide and a spot-check when your ranking varies substantially.  Nothing more though.

 
jomar said:
I'm kind of embarrassed for all of the sparty fans I've seen crying about their seeding and having to be in a region with Duke.  just man up and play who is in front of you.  by the time you get to the final 8, any 1 or 2 seed you would have had to play would be a pretty good team.  how about just beating Duke, instead of trying to avoid having to play them?
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Could be worse. They could have been matched up against middle tenn st. 

 
jomar said:
I'm kind of embarrassed for all of the sparty fans I've seen crying about their seeding and having to be in a region with Duke.  just man up and play who is in front of you.  by the time you get to the final 8, any 1 or 2 seed you would have had to play would be a pretty good team.  how about just beating Duke, instead of trying to avoid having to play them?
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...and I think they may have a fairly easy road to that Duke matchup.  At least as far as opponents seeding's go.  

 
Capella said:
I think the seeding was as good as it’s ever been. What is your beef?
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Nothing major but it feels like they ignored Sunday's games.  Auburn should probably be a 4 instead of a 5, Cincinnati a 6 instead of a 7, and Michigan State and Michigan should swap places on the bracket.   Washington, Arizona St, and Oregon should be 16's.  

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Nothing major but it feels like they ignored Sunday's games.  Auburn should probably be a 4 instead of a 5, Cincinnati a 6 instead of a 7, and Michigan State and Michigan should swap places on the bracket.   Washington, Arizona St, and Oregon should be 16's.  
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I think they messed up a few where there were tourney winners - Iowa St is one and Villanova another - didn't matter if it was Saturday or Sunday. It doesn't look like winning your tourney gave you any payoff - so in the future why not take the rest. Auburn plays on Sunday - plays 4 games in 4 days and gets first game out West on a Thursday - nice reward. They should have just mailed in the Friday/Saturday game taken a 6th seed and rested.

 
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Ramblin Wreck said:
Nothing major but it feels like they ignored Sunday's games.  Auburn should probably be a 4 instead of a 5, Cincinnati a 6 instead of a 7, and Michigan State and Michigan should swap places on the bracket.   Washington, Arizona St, and Oregon should be 16's.  
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This has been discussed but Michigan St got the seed they did by finishing ahead of Michigan on their rankings. If they lost, they wouldn’t have the close region, easy early games, or Duke. It’s all a trade off. 

Virginia Tech was called a tough 4 earlier as a reason Dukes draw sucked. I don’t really disagree, but fwiw they were the dead last 4 seed for the committee which is why FSU got better treatment. 

I’m biased on the Cincinnati one, but it sure seems like they just split the difference of a bunch of close 6 seeds by putting Cincy 7 in Ohio. Also a trade off. The team who really gets hurt there is Tennessee who is drawing a hard 7 in a hard location (although trust me there will be Vols in Columbus). 

 
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cheese said:
This has been discussed but Michigan St got the seed they did by finishing ahead of Michigan on their rankings. If they lost, they wouldn’t have the close region, easy early games, or Duke. It’s all a trade off. 

Virginia Tech was called a tough 4 earlier as a reason Dukes draw sucked. I don’t really disagree, but fwiw they were the dead last 4 seed for the committee which is why FSU got better treatment.  

I’m biased on the Cincinnati one, but it sure seems like they just split the difference of a bunch of close 6 seeds by putting Cincy 7 in Ohio. Also a trade off. The team who really gets hurt there is Tennessee who is drawing a hard 7 in a hard location (although trust me there will be Vols in Columbus). 
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Yeah I think maybe the problem is the lack of flexibility in the process.  IMO there needs to be flexibility in order to prevent lower seeded teams from potentially getting home court advantages.  Obviously there's only so far you can go- eg George Mason's miracle Final Four run in 2006 got a huge boost from HCA and you can't really expect them to ship double digit seeds who are likely only playing a single game across the country if they can help it. But Maryland being one minor upset away from basically playing a home game against a Michigan State team that was in the running for a 1 seed seems not great.  It would be even worse if Maryland wasn't a perennial tournament disappointment.

 
Honestly, conferences should stop playing championship games on Sunday.  It's always been dumb.  To finish your tourney 10 minutes prior to the seedings being announced and then being bothered that they didn't get it right.

 
Wow, the committee really used performance metrics in seeding this year.  Last year, was the first year the actual seeding was somewhat close to the kenpom expected seed and this year it's even closer.  Not many over or under seeded teams. 

LSU, Marquette, and ASU are a bit overseeded.  

Wisconsin, Auburn, Florida, and St. Mary's are a bit underseeded.  

The 1, 2 and 3 seeds are the strongest they've been in the kenpom era overall.  8,9 and 10 seeds are slightly below average.  All seeds other than these that tend to hover around the yearly averages.  

 
TobiasFunke said:
Yeah I think maybe the problem is the lack of flexibility in the process.  IMO there needs to be flexibility in order to prevent lower seeded teams from potentially getting home court advantages.  Obviously there's only so far you can go- eg George Mason's miracle Final Four run in 2006 got a huge boost from HCA and you can't really expect them to ship double digit seeds who are likely only playing a single game across the country if they can help it. But Maryland being one minor upset away from basically playing a home game against a Michigan State team that was in the running for a 1 seed seems not great.  It would be even worse if Maryland wasn't a perennial tournament disappointment.
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Yeah, I really don't think anyone gets to complain about unfairness if they get to play Maryland.  Wherever it is, you'd be getting a huge benefit in getting to play a Mark Turgeon coached team at all.

 
cheese said:
This has been discussed but Michigan St got the seed they did by finishing ahead of Michigan on their rankings. If they lost, they wouldn’t have the close region, easy early games, or Duke. It’s all a trade off. 

Virginia Tech was called a tough 4 earlier as a reason Dukes draw sucked. I don’t really disagree, but fwiw they were the dead last 4 seed for the committee which is why FSU got better treatment. 

I’m biased on the Cincinnati one, but it sure seems like they just split the difference of a bunch of close 6 seeds by putting Cincy 7 in Ohio. Also a trade off. The team who really gets hurt there is Tennessee who is drawing a hard 7 in a hard location (although trust me there will be Vols in Columbus). 
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The Michigan/MSU example is still awful decisions by the committee.  It's not like playing in Wash DC is a huge advantage for the "closer region".

They don't need to do conference matchups in the Sweet 16 either.  They could have put FSU on the 3-line and put VT in the Gonzaga bracket to avoid that.  Also, Michigan St might have to play Minnesota in the second round.  That's just dumb. 

Overall, not much to whine about with the seeding but doesn't mean it was perfect either.

 
Scoresman said:
Wow, the committee really used performance metrics in seeding this year.  Last year, was the first year the actual seeding was somewhat close to the kenpom expected seed and this year it's even closer.  Not many over or under seeded teams. 

LSU, Marquette, and ASU are a bit overseeded.  

Wisconsin, Auburn, Florida, and St. Mary's are a bit underseeded.  

The 1, 2 and 3 seeds are the strongest they've been in the kenpom era overall.  8,9 and 10 seeds are slightly below average.  All seeds other than these that tend to hover around the yearly averages.  
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I think it's going to be a wild 4 day weekend and a very boring Thursday/Friday next week.  But I like the chances of us having a quality 4 games next Sat and Sun.  Maybe there will be a spoiler or two though.

 
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