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NCAA HOOPS THREAD! -- K petitions to get Maui Jim Maui Invitational moved to Transylvania (2 Viewers)

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Long Ball Larry said:
Seems to be happening.

http://www.kake.com/story/35069813/source-wichita-state-to-join-american-athletic-conference
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Wichita State University president John Bardo confirmed the move to the AAC.  Will take place on July 1, 2017.  Will compete in the AAC in all sports (except football) right away, schedulers already at work.  

Said the school is primarily looking at Oklahoma and Texas when recruiting out-of-state students, so the opportunity to be in a conference with schools in Tulsa, DFW, and Houston should help the school academically.  (Also doesn't hurt to have a city like Wichita listed with the big cities where most of the AAC schools are located.)    

 

 
Norlander suggests the Valley go after Saint Louis, Valpo, Murray State, or Belmont to replace Wichita.  

Acknowledges Saint Louis would be taking a big step down from A-10 to Valley, but the school has a long history with the conference and the Valley's headquarters and basketball tournament are in STL.  And they aren't in the top tier of The A-10, so maybe big-fish-in-small-pond is a strategy worth considering. 

Suggests the others as strong programs who need to win their conference tournaments to get into the NCAAs, where a move to the Valley gives them a better shot at an at-large bid without displacing too much geographically.   Not sure the Valley is a multi-bid conference anymore (other conferences figured out how they juked the RPI ending their advantage, and losing Creighton and Wichita hurt the conference strength a ton), but fun  to talk about during the offseason.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Norlander suggests the Valley go after Saint Louis, Valpo, Murray State, or Belmont to replace Wichita.  

Acknowledges Saint Louis would be taking a big step down from A-10 to Valley, but the school has a long history with the conference and the Valley's headquarters and basketball tournament are in STL.  And they aren't in the top tier of The A-10, so maybe big-fish-in-small-pond is a strategy worth considering. 

Suggests the others as strong programs who need to win their conference tournaments to get into the NCAAs, where a move to the Valley gives them a better shot at an at-large bid without displacing too much geographically.   Not sure the Valley is a multi-bid conference anymore (other conferences figured out how they juked the RPI ending their advantage, and losing Creighton and Wichita hurt the conference strength a ton), but fun  to talk about during the offseason.
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The A-10 is at a bit of a crossroads itself, so getting out might not be the worst thing for St. Louis.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Might end up landing four players out of this deal eventually.  There's another Lawson brother plus a cousin in the 2019 class, both of whom are projecting as top 50 players.  
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isn't it a brother in 2019 and one in 2021, who are both 5-star prospects?  And there's a cousin too?  Even slicker than I thought.

 
Long Ball Larry said:
isn't it a brother in 2019 and one in 2021, who are both 5-star prospects?  And there's a cousin too?  Even slicker than I thought.
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Also opens up a potential pipeline to Team Penny, a Memphis-based AAU powerhouse directed by Anfernee Hardaway.  Penny also coached the Tennessee AAA (largest) boys' basketball champ with a ton of talent returning.

 
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BREAKING NEWS / NBC: The FBI has arrested several NCAA asst. basketball coaches in a corruption scheme. Presser @ 12n with U.S. Attorney

:popcorn:

 
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/press-conference-advisory-2

There will be a press conference today at noon to announce charges of fraud and corruption in college basketball.  Federal criminal charges have been brought against ten people, including four college basketball coaches, as well as managers, financial advisors, and representatives of a major international sportswear company.  The press conference will be livestreamed on Facebook @USAOSDNY.

Looks like one of the major shoe companies are involved.  No head coaches though?

http://www.businessinsider.com/college-basketball-bribery-scandal-arrests-2017-9

The Department of Justice announced Tuesday that  four college basketball coaches at University of Arizona, Auburn, San Diego State, and Oklahoma State University and had been arrested, as well as managers, financial advisors, and representatives of a major international sportswear company. 

Jim Gatto, director of global sports marketing for basketball at Adidas, was also named as a defendant.

Gatto and four other defendants have been charged with "making and concealing bribe payments" to high school student athletes and/or their families. Other defendants include Jonathan Brad Augustine, president of nonprofit The League Initiative, Merl Code, the head of Nike’s Elite Youth Basketball League as of 2013, and Christian Dawkins, a former sports agent fired in May for charging $42,000 in Uber ribes on an NBA player's credit card. 

 
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Brian Bowen of Louisville got $100K to commit there.  Supposedly FBI has phone recording of the coach offering it to him.  Pretty much any coach of a team that gets these five star players should be worried about right now.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Brian Bowen of Louisville got $100K to commit there.  Supposedly FBI has phone recording of the coach offering it to him.  Pretty much any coach of a team that gets these five star players should be worried about right now.
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Why is this a criminal issue? What is the federal law being broken? (Serious questions - not trying to defend Louisville)

 
whoknew said:
Why is this a criminal issue? What is the federal law being broken? (Serious questions - not trying to defend Louisville)
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I don't know one of the lawyers here can sort it out way better than me but from the players end I'm sure tax evasion if he isn't filing this as income.  But they don't seem to be going after the players at least not yet.

 
Sammy3469 said:
Payment and solicitation of brides to a federally funded institution along with the associated wire fraud. 
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I see. So this is about paying the shoe companies paying coaches to steer the players to shoe companies? Does that constitute a bribe? What if it is paid after the fact? What would be the difference between a bribe and a signing bonus? 

 
Man, if some of the real blue-blood programs are involved, the NCAA is probably going to give Appalachian State and Fairleigh Dickinson the death penalty.

 
heckmanm said:
Man, if some of the real blue-blood programs are involved, the NCAA is probably going to give Appalachian State and Fairleigh Dickinson the death penalty.
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:yes:    One of the defendants listed is an Adidas rep.  Kansas is an Adidas school, and Adidas fought hard to keep UCLA with their contract expiring.  (UCLA just started a new huge-money deal with Under Armour).  Like you said, Wichita State and Loyola Marymount better lawyer up for this ####.

 
Sounds like this may be just the beginning of the investigation. Others to come.

Thank goodness Michigan has John Beilein. 

 
According to Wikipedia, these are the colleges (no specification of which programs) are associated with adidas:

 Akron Zips

 Arizona State Sun Devils

 Arkansas State Red Wolves

 Bellarmine Knights

 Black Hills State Yellow Jackets

 Bradley Braves

 Brown Bears

 Bucknell Bison

 Cal State Bakersfield Roadrunners

 Central Arkansas Bears and Sugar Bears

 Central Michigan Chippewas

 Centre Colonels

 Chaminade Silverswords

 The Citadel Bulldogs

 Coast Guard Bears

 Denver Pioneers

 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens

 Detroit Titans

 Drake Bulldogs

 Duquesne Dukes

 East Carolina Pirates

 Eastern Illinois Panthers

 Eastern Michigan Eagles

 Eastern Washington Eagles

 FIU Panthers

 Florida Atlantic Owls

 Florida Tech Panthers

 Franciscan Barons

 Georgia Southern Eagles

 George Mason Patriots

 Georgia Institute of Technology

 Grand Valley State Lakers

 High Point Panthers

 Holy Cross Crusaders

 Hope Flying Dutchmen

 Howard Payne Yellow Jackets

 Iona Gaels

 Indiana Hoosiers

 Jacksonville State Gamecocks

 Kansas Jayhawks

 Kennesaw State Owls

 Kentucky Christian Knights

 Lewis Flyers

 Lindenwood Lions

 Longwood Lancers

 Louisiana–Lafayette Ragin' Cajuns

 Louisiana–Monroe Warhawks

 Louisiana Tech Bulldogs and Lady Techsters

 Louisville Cardinals

 Lyndon State Hornets

 Maine Black Bears

 Mercer Bears

 Miami Hurricanes

 Miami RedHawks

 Milwaukee Panthers

 Mississippi State Bulldogs

 Missouri State Bears and Lady Bears

 Morgan State Bears

 Mount Olive Trojans

 NC State Wolfpack

 Nebraska Cornhuskers

 Newberry Wolves

 Nicholls State Colonels

 NJIT Highlanders

 Northern Illinois Huskies

 Northern Kentucky Norse

 Northwest Missouri State Bearcats

 Occidental Tigers

 Ohio University Bobcats

 Omaha Mavericks

 Presbyterian Blue Hose

 Quinnipiac Bobcats

 Rhode Island Rams

 Rice Owls

 Rider Broncs

 Rutgers Scarlet Knights

 Sacramento State Hornets

 Sacred Heart Pioneers

 San Jose State University Spartans

 SIU Edwardsville Cougars

 South Dakota Coyotes

 Southeastern Louisiana Lions

 Southern Utah Thunderbirds

 St. Bonaventure Bonnies

 Texas A&M Aggies

 Texas A&M–Corpus Christi Islanders

 Texas-Arlington Mavericks

 Texas–Rio Grande Valley Vaqueros

 Texas State Bobcats

 Troy Trojans

 Tulsa Golden Hurricane

 UC Davis Aggies

 UC Irvine Anteaters

 UC Merced Golden Bobcats

 UC Riverside Highlanders

 UIC Flames

 UMass Minutemen and Minutewomen

 UNC Asheville Bulldogs

 UNCW Seahawks

 Utah Valley Wolverines

 UTSA Roadrunners

 Vermont Catamounts

 Weber State Wildcats

 West Alabama Tigers

 West Chester Golden Rams

 Western Carolina Catamounts

 Western Michigan Broncos

 Winthrop Eagles

 Wofford Terriers

 
Gustavo Fring said:
How are people/coaches actually getting arrested for this?  I thought this was an NCAA rule, not a federal law...
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That is where this gets messy. Because Auburn gets grants and aid from the Federal government - like for the NASA program it can be a Federal "crime". It's the FBI's job to come after the basketball program now. Apparently CW-1 (Cooperating witness) was in trouble elsewhere with our government(SEC/IRS) and turned into the informant. In the end who is getting "hurt" here - someone gets a inside advantage to become a financial advisor? If you read the story/complaint - it really is on the verge of entrapment. Seems like a lot of money to spend to put light on the cockroaches of NCAA basketball and the sewer of sports financial advisors.

 
"For the 10 charged men, the madness of college basketball went well beyond the Big Dance in March," Kim said. "Month after month, the defendants exploited the hoop dreams of student-athletes around the country, allegedly treating them as little more than opportunities to enrich themselves through bribery and fraud schemes."

JFC.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
"For the 10 charged men, the madness of college basketball went well beyond the Big Dance in March," Kim said. "Month after month, the defendants exploited the hoop dreams of student-athletes around the country, allegedly treating them as little more than opportunities to enrich themselves through bribery and fraud schemes."

JFC.
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Sounds more like a Pat Forde hot take column than an actual suboeona. 

 
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