NE Running It Up = YES (1 Viewer)

[johnnycakes]

We needed another thread on this. Thanks.

What?! No one had mentioned NE running up the score before, had they?

 

[Phlash]

Alright, I have had plenty enough of the crap people are spewing out lately, whining that the Patriots are running up the score. These men aren't playing pee-wee football anymore. There's a reason there is no mercy rule. Football is a business. If you were the executive of a sales department, and you were selling 20% more than your competitor, would you tell your sales people to slow down their attempts at getting accounts as to let the competition crawl back into it? NO! You do NOT hold back. You push towards 25%, then 30%, and keep pushing! You never stop.

Theres a relevant quote to this:

"Losers quit when they're tired. Winners quit when they've won." - Author Unknown

YOU DON'T LET UP EVER, not until the clocks expired. They only take out Brady when the game is "safe," yet they're still passing because the guys on this team are competitors. They won't quit because the other team can't stop them.

Theres a reason they're still getting better, as well. Belichick is going to feed these guys a bunch of humble pie after this game, in his weekly attempt to remove mistakes that crop up. Belichick must have been an Arnold Mori fan:

"Winners build on mistakes. Losers dwell on them."

-Arnold Mori

This Patriots team is so good because they are not becoming lackadaisical. They give it their all EVERY down and EVERY play, and scarily enough they are still improving.

All that matters after the game is who gets the W. Whichever team has the most points gets the left column incremented, and the points don't really matter at all. Who cares if they win by 1 point or 30 points? They still only get one win. The team is just making sure they can't lose - they're going to give it their all the whole game to keep the opponent down. If you expect them to lay down to make you/your team feel better, you need another sport. This isn't the little leagues anymore.

Wow. That's quite dramatic interpretation.

You agree with it though, right? There aren't any flaws in that argument.

 

[mad sweeney]

going for it on 4th down in two consecutive series while within FG range is the epitime (sp?) of running it up and shows a lack of class by NE. A FG puts you up 41-0 with under 10 to go in the 4th. The next series a fg puts you up 44-0 (or 44-7). Absolutely no need to go for it. And no need to continue to pass up like that when the def has shut down everything the skins did. Sorgi came in with 9 to go in the 4th.LT was out most of the 4th.both games were closer then NE's.

Cassell came in with 9 to go in the 4th.Maroney was out most of the 4th.What's your point?Do you want the Pats to start kneeling halfway through the 3rd?

More of the over reactionary "kneeling" comments. Like there's no middle ground between throwing it long with your starters and kneeling on the ball. Certainly nothing called ball control where they run the play clock down every snap and run the ball (which they were doing at about 5 ypc, do the math on picking up first downs that way, seems pretty good in their favor) keeping the clock running to preserve a win. No no no, it's either go all out in the 4th like they've been doing or just kneel on it 3 times and punt. That's exactly what people are suggesting. It's pathetic to see people toss out the "kneeling" defense or even worse try and use statistics to try and defend the running up the score that the Pats are doing. There is no logical reason to have Brady in there tossing the rock with a 38 point lead, NONE. There is not a single, fundamentally sound football argument that can be made to support it. And anyone doing so is sticking their head in the sand. This is nothing more than an arrogant ### whose team is light years better than anyone they've played and who's POed that he got caught cheating so he's going to scorch the Earth in return. And anyone who argues otherwise, ESPECIALLY anyone who tries to offer up facts, stats or empirical evidence, is a joke. It's one thing to be unapologetic about what your team is doing, I mean who really wants to trach their own team? But it's quite another to ignore what's going on and try to argue against something that's as plain as day.

 

[mad sweeney]

Alright, I have had plenty enough of the crap people are spewing out lately, whining that the Patriots are running up the score. These men aren't playing pee-wee football anymore. There's a reason there is no mercy rule. Football is a business. If you were the executive of a sales department, and you were selling 20% more than your competitor, would you tell your sales people to slow down their attempts at getting accounts as to let the competition crawl back into it? NO! You do NOT hold back. You push towards 25%, then 30%, and keep pushing! You never stop.

Theres a relevant quote to this:

"Losers quit when they're tired. Winners quit when they've won." - Author Unknown

YOU DON'T LET UP EVER, not until the clocks expired. They only take out Brady when the game is "safe," yet they're still passing because the guys on this team are competitors. They won't quit because the other team can't stop them.

Theres a reason they're still getting better, as well. Belichick is going to feed these guys a bunch of humble pie after this game, in his weekly attempt to remove mistakes that crop up. Belichick must have been an Arnold Mori fan:

"Winners build on mistakes. Losers dwell on them."

-Arnold Mori

This Patriots team is so good because they are not becoming lackadaisical. They give it their all EVERY down and EVERY play, and scarily enough they are still improving.

All that matters after the game is who gets the W. Whichever team has the most points gets the left column incremented, and the points don't really matter at all. Who cares if they win by 1 point or 30 points? They still only get one win. The team is just making sure they can't lose - they're going to give it their all the whole game to keep the opponent down. If you expect them to lay down to make you/your team feel better, you need another sport. This isn't the little leagues anymore.

Wow. That's quite dramatic interpretation.

You agree with it though, right? There aren't any flaws in that argument.

There's your major flaw right there. 38-0 in the 4th isn't safe? Against a team that hadn't shown any offensive spark all day long? I know the arguments about the Texans and Lions comebacks this year, but tossing those out are abunch of BS. Different teams, no way any team comes back against this NE team. So to try and say that Brady is in there 'until it's safe' is complete BS. He's in there until it's embarassing, he's in there until he gets more TDs than anyone will ever get again, he's in there until everyone gets their record breaking stats. And if you aren't man enough to admit that then it's pretty much embarassing and pathetic.

 

[Workhorse]

At this point, you'd be hard pressed to deny that the Patriots are running up the score.

The real question at this point is: Does it really matter? According to old school coaches like Parcells, Ditka and even Joe Gibbs, there's nothing wrong with what the Patriots have done.

 

[Spartans Rule]

To reverse the argumnet. IF they're not supposed to try, why not punt as soon as they get the ball? Tell me, just where is the sport in running your players into a 9 man front, time and again, just to be a good sport? We have people with a feigned concern for injury, advocating plays that have 14 guys 250 and up piling onto each other. Gee, which is a larger risk of injury? That, or running plays where the guys are going ot get taken down in a typical fashion? I say the latter.

Especially when Patriots running backs are dropping like flies this year. They can't afford to slam the guys they have left into the line over and over.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

At this point, you'd be hard pressed to deny that the Patriots are running up the score.The real question at this point is: Does it really matter? According to old school coaches like Parcells, Ditka and even Joe Gibbs, there's nothing wrong with what the Patriots have done.

Is that why Gibbs ran off the field without shaking Belichick's hand after the game?

 

[Workhorse]

At this point, you'd be hard pressed to deny that the Patriots are running up the score.The real question at this point is: Does it really matter? According to old school coaches like Parcells, Ditka and even Joe Gibbs, there's nothing wrong with what the Patriots have done.

Is that why Gibbs ran off the field without shaking Belichick's hand after the game?

Gibbs not only shook Belichick's hand, but said in the press conference after the game that he didn't have a problem with the Patriots adding on points in the second half.

 

[Brutis]

At this point, you'd be hard pressed to deny that the Patriots are running up the score.The real question at this point is: Does it really matter? According to old school coaches like Parcells, Ditka and even Joe Gibbs, there's nothing wrong with what the Patriots have done.

Is that why Gibbs ran off the field without shaking Belichick's hand after the game?

I thought this was already cleared up? he DID shake hands, the network didnt show it.

 

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At this point, you'd be hard pressed to deny that the Patriots are running up the score.The real question at this point is: Does it really matter? According to old school coaches like Parcells, Ditka and even Joe Gibbs, there's nothing wrong with what the Patriots have done.

Is that why Gibbs ran off the field without shaking Belichick's hand after the game?

Gibbs not only shook Belichick's hand, but said in the press conference after the game that he didn't have a problem with the Patriots adding on points in the second half.

The Pats ARE running up the score a bit. They're still bringing in subs.. just a little late. Frankly I don't have a problem with it. This year they are making it a point to show they are one of the best teams in NFL history. Since they ALSO happen to have a good defense they can't post those kinds of numbers without running up the score a bit. Honestly look at the game yesterday. The pats wouldn't have scored 50 points if the Redskins didn't keep giving the Pats the ball with fumbles and interceptions. Give a team like the Pats 3-4 extra possessions a game and they're going to score 2-3 extra times.

 

[jpeeters]

What's happening here (on this board, at least) is that a bunch of fantasy players are upset with what the Pats are doing. And here's what I see as an explanation. It's not about sportsmanship, it's not about class.

It's about us.

Anybody who's been playing this game for a while has had players get into a situation in some games where their player(s), key or not, have essentially been taken out because:

- Team gets down big early, abandons the run, and your RB stops getting carries

- Team gets up big early, goes into time of possession mode, and your QB stops throwing/WRs stop getting targets

- Team gets down early and goes for two a lot and/or gives up on kicking FGs, thus killing your Kicker

- Team goes up big early, and starters get pulled when it's out of hand (Tomlinson's been bad for this from time to time)

Thing is, this is all stuff that we accept happens from time to time. We see this stuff discussed all the time. Thing is, the Pats AREN'T doing this stuff. They're throwing deep when up 30. They're going for it on 4th down up 38. They're not pulling Brady with the game out of hand. So, while we've had players be killed by these events in the past, and expect things to even out over time, the Pats are throwing a monkey wrench into things. And I'm pretty sure that the most angry posters are the ones who have lost games against Pats players because they continue to pile on with the game in hand (#$@%ing Wes Welker 2yd TD reception late in the game).

Maybe it's not the most sportsmanlike thing to be doing, and they're really risking injury by doing it, but this is pro sports, if you don't like what's happening, do something to stop it. Unfortunately for some of us, the Pats are doing things right now that we wish our players could have benefited from in the past.

On a side note, I'm sure there are some ****ed off Pats RB owners this morning.

 

[Road Warriors]

Alright, I have had plenty enough of the crap people are spewing out lately, whining that the Patriots are running up the score. These men aren't playing pee-wee football anymore. There's a reason there is no mercy rule. Football is a business. If you were the executive of a sales department, and you were selling 20% more than your competitor, would you tell your sales people to slow down their attempts at getting accounts as to let the competition crawl back into it? NO! You do NOT hold back. You push towards 25%, then 30%, and keep pushing! You never stop.

Theres a relevant quote to this:

"Losers quit when they're tired. Winners quit when they've won." - Author Unknown

YOU DON'T LET UP EVER, not until the clocks expired. They only take out Brady when the game is "safe," yet they're still passing because the guys on this team are competitors. They won't quit because the other team can't stop them.

Theres a reason they're still getting better, as well. Belichick is going to feed these guys a bunch of humble pie after this game, in his weekly attempt to remove mistakes that crop up. Belichick must have been an Arnold Mori fan:

"Winners build on mistakes. Losers dwell on them."

-Arnold Mori

This Patriots team is so good because they are not becoming lackadaisical. They give it their all EVERY down and EVERY play, and scarily enough they are still improving.

All that matters after the game is who gets the W. Whichever team has the most points gets the left column incremented, and the points don't really matter at all. Who cares if they win by 1 point or 30 points? They still only get one win. The team is just making sure they can't lose - they're going to give it their all the whole game to keep the opponent down. If you expect them to lay down to make you/your team feel better, you need another sport. This isn't the little leagues anymore.

Wow. That's quite dramatic interpretation.

You agree with it though, right? There aren't any flaws in that argument.

There's your major flaw right there. 38-0 in the 4th isn't safe? Against a team that hadn't shown any offensive spark all day long? I know the arguments about the Texans and Lions comebacks this year, but tossing those out are abunch of BS. Different teams, no way any team comes back against this NE team. So to try and say that Brady is in there 'until it's safe' is complete BS. He's in there until it's embarassing, he's in there until he gets more TDs than anyone will ever get again, he's in there until everyone gets their record breaking stats. And if you aren't man enough to admit that then it's pretty much embarassing and pathetic.

The key to this team is they do not believe their press. They are told over and over that they need to get better. What you're suggesting is that this team buy into the press, that they're the best and they should take it easy, because, as you state above "no way any team comes back against this NE team" BB has this team believing that they must execute at their best to be sure no one comes back. So the coach drive the team to excel, and the team follows. You don't like it. Honestly, I didn't much care for the late TD to Welker, either. That, to me, felt like running it up. But I'd rather my team play hard to the end and upset the opposition than let off the gas & get caught ( even if you so knowingly point out it can't happen ), and upset themselves.

 

[thayman]

For that matter, how many snaps does an NFL offense take against an NFL defense? If the Pats are playing half of every game, those missed snaps are going to add up. If they were to go into Indy not clicking on every possible cylinder because theyd only take half the snaps the Colts had together, who's the jerk then? Personally i'll give the benefit of the doubt to the coach with 3 SB rings who's team looks like one of the best in history. Just maybe he knows a little more about coaching than all the Pat haters.

Each team's most valuable practice time, by far, is the 60 minutes of real live football you get each week. Why any team should be obligated to just toss that aside because they're playing well is beyond me.

So for the record neither of you would be upset with BB in the slightest if on that 4-1 Brady rushes forward and tweaks a knee, or gets a slight concussion. Putting him out for next weeks game??

 

[AB in DC]

This thread is getting way off track.

I agree with the OP -- before this week, BB's use of Brady and the starters made sense. But there was no reason to keep Brady in the game once the 4th quarter started.

 

[mad sweeney]

Alright, I have had plenty enough of the crap people are spewing out lately, whining that the Patriots are running up the score. These men aren't playing pee-wee football anymore. There's a reason there is no mercy rule. Football is a business. If you were the executive of a sales department, and you were selling 20% more than your competitor, would you tell your sales people to slow down their attempts at getting accounts as to let the competition crawl back into it? NO! You do NOT hold back. You push towards 25%, then 30%, and keep pushing! You never stop.

Theres a relevant quote to this:

"Losers quit when they're tired. Winners quit when they've won." - Author Unknown

YOU DON'T LET UP EVER, not until the clocks expired. They only take out Brady when the game is "safe," yet they're still passing because the guys on this team are competitors. They won't quit because the other team can't stop them.

Theres a reason they're still getting better, as well. Belichick is going to feed these guys a bunch of humble pie after this game, in his weekly attempt to remove mistakes that crop up. Belichick must have been an Arnold Mori fan:

"Winners build on mistakes. Losers dwell on them."

-Arnold Mori

This Patriots team is so good because they are not becoming lackadaisical. They give it their all EVERY down and EVERY play, and scarily enough they are still improving.

All that matters after the game is who gets the W. Whichever team has the most points gets the left column incremented, and the points don't really matter at all. Who cares if they win by 1 point or 30 points? They still only get one win. The team is just making sure they can't lose - they're going to give it their all the whole game to keep the opponent down. If you expect them to lay down to make you/your team feel better, you need another sport. This isn't the little leagues anymore.

Wow. That's quite dramatic interpretation.

You agree with it though, right? There aren't any flaws in that argument.

There's your major flaw right there. 38-0 in the 4th isn't safe? Against a team that hadn't shown any offensive spark all day long? I know the arguments about the Texans and Lions comebacks this year, but tossing those out are abunch of BS. Different teams, no way any team comes back against this NE team. So to try and say that Brady is in there 'until it's safe' is complete BS. He's in there until it's embarassing, he's in there until he gets more TDs than anyone will ever get again, he's in there until everyone gets their record breaking stats. And if you aren't man enough to admit that then it's pretty much embarassing and pathetic.

The key to this team is they do not believe their press. They are told over and over that they need to get better. What you're suggesting is that this team buy into the press, that they're the best and they should take it easy, because, as you state above "no way any team comes back against this NE team" BB has this team believing that they must execute at their best to be sure no one comes back. So the coach drive the team to excel, and the team follows. You don't like it. Honestly, I didn't much care for the late TD to Welker, either. That, to me, felt like running it up. But I'd rather my team play hard to the end and upset the opposition than let off the gas & get caught ( even if you so knowingly point out it can't happen ), and upset themselves.

That's not at all what I am suggesting. They don't need to do anything but review the previous 3 quarters of football they played to come to the very obvious conclusion that at 38-0 the game was over.And I have not once suggested, in any thread, that the Pats "take it easy". I have said you play the game smart (protecting starters) and with sportsmanship/class (not running up the score).

It's smart to protect players, you don't have to look any further back than the beginning of this season and see now how many starting QBs have missed time or are out of the game by week 8. You also have a chance to get backups in there for real game experience that they may need if the starter goes down. Which you are increasing the odds of by leaving your starters in late.

It's long standing tradition to run out the clock with a lead. Pounding the ground to grind out time, maybe pass on 3rd if you need to and control the ball secures the win. If the Pats were truly trying to "just win the game" that's what they'd do. Passing deep on 4th down up 38-0 in the 4th is nothing more than utter disrespect. I have zero problem with going for it on 4th. It's the play calling and the personnel that I disagree with. Taking it easy and giving up are not involved in this scenario. The Pats were running at about 5 ypc and had worn the D down all game long. It would have been no problem whatsoever to keep the chains moving and score while keeping the ball away from Washington's not at all even competent offense. And don't tell me it has anything to do with protecting NE RBs because player protection means nothing to a team that leaves their all star players in the game late in a blowout.