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Thanks for the topic! Finally got the process started, had to for a while, but this thread got me motivated!Got off the phone with aququote.com and they are quoting me a couple of policies I'll have some more specifics about later (term and amount) but the quote will be for Genworth UL policy. The lady on the phone stated it is the "same as term" but you can convert and it is priced equivalent. It seems based on this thread that this in not entirely true. Any insight? Shout I get a term quote without UL? Genworth seems solid, any negatives to this company?
I don't have any negatives on the company. Like many have said in this thread, there are a ton of negatives for a UL policy. I won't repeat them as you can reread the thread yourself. Is there a specific reason you chose UL instead of term?
 
type...........pros.......................cons

Term - high death benefit for least .... worthless unless you die, 99% chance you never cash it out
Good, I want it to be worthless. My main concern is that my daughter is taken care of and in 30 years she should be on her own taking care of herself.
You want your money to be worthless? That's wierd.I have term, but would switch to either a hybrid or whole life if I had the :moneybag: .
Why not just invest the difference?
frankly, people just don't do this. overall the majority of people just spend the extra money. this comes up or that comes up. you don't have to buy a 1 million permanent policy, but a little fact amount say 100k-200k and throwing a little extra in is nice. again, i'm not a big whole life fan. however, the equity indexed universal life policies are pretty nice.
Many people don't, but Jayrod might. I do. http://www.freeby50....whole-life.html

12.7 percent of whole life insurance policyholders will lapse their policies in the first year, 8.1 percent will lapse in the second year and another 5.5 percent will lapse in the third year." So that means that 26.3% of cash value insurance policies are canceled within the first 3 years.



The insure.com article cites annual return rates based on each year. The 1st year your loss is 100%. The 2nd year they cite a loss of 97.4%. If you hang on to the 3rd year the loss is "only" 19.3%. They also say the average annual rate of return for the first 5 years is -10.7%.



The site discusses when whole life could pay off, I suppose some of us could be in that position. Frankly, the reasons I dropped our whole life policies are simply that they cost $200+ a month, and I prefer to have that money (the difference between whole and term) for retirement or our kids college funds. I'm not particularly looking to give my kids a sizable inheritance although that could be a decent side benefit of having a good retirement fund, house, etc.

 
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I am 34 years old. Last year I bought a 20 year term policy for 800k that costs me $41/month. If my cholesterol comes down (I've been working on it) then I can get a $1MM policy for the same price.

There is also a new type of insurance that pays a "salary" to the benificiary as long as they are alive. So, you could buy a $100k/yr policy and if something happened to you, then your wife/kid would get paid every two weeks a paycheck. That would work out well if you got hit by a bus tomorrow, but isn't as appealing if you're 75 years old.
Sounds like an annuity to me. Not the best option.
 
I am 34 years old. Last year I bought a 20 year term policy for 800k that costs me $41/month. If my cholesterol comes down (I've been working on it) then I can get a $1MM policy for the same price.



There is also a new type of insurance that pays a "salary" to the benificiary as long as they are alive. So, you could buy a $100k/yr policy and if something happened to you, then your wife/kid would get paid every two weeks a paycheck. That would work out well if you got hit by a bus tomorrow, but isn't as appealing if you're 75 years old.
Don't do this. If you're worried about your wife having trouble budgeting out a lump sum payment, sit with her and go through what you would intend for her to do with the money. (i.e. 1 - pay off all debt, 2 - put away money for kids college, 3 - put x amount in CDs (or some risk free investment) that are staircased so she'll get a constant stream of money, etc)
 
I am 34 years old. Last year I bought a 20 year term policy for 800k that costs me $41/month. If my cholesterol comes down (I've been working on it) then I can get a $1MM policy for the same price.



There is also a new type of insurance that pays a "salary" to the benificiary as long as they are alive. So, you could buy a $100k/yr policy and if something happened to you, then your wife/kid would get paid every two weeks a paycheck. That would work out well if you got hit by a bus tomorrow, but isn't as appealing if you're 75 years old.
Don't do this. If you're worried about your wife having trouble budgeting out a lump sum payment, sit with her and go through what you would intend for her to do with the money. (i.e. 1 - pay off all debt, 2 - put away money for kids college, 3 - put x amount in CDs (or some risk free investment) that are staircased so she'll get a constant stream of money, etc)
Couldn't you just put it in a trust with a reliable trustee?
 
Thanks for the topic! Finally got the process started, had to for a while, but this thread got me motivated!Got off the phone with aququote.com and they are quoting me a couple of policies I'll have some more specifics about later (term and amount) but the quote will be for Genworth UL policy. The lady on the phone stated it is the "same as term" but you can convert and it is priced equivalent. It seems based on this thread that this in not entirely true. Any insight? Shout I get a term quote without UL? Genworth seems solid, any negatives to this company?
I don't have any negatives on the company. Like many have said in this thread, there are a ton of negatives for a UL policy. I won't repeat them as you can reread the thread yourself. Is there a specific reason you chose UL instead of term?
Filled out preliminary application and that is what they quoted me. As it was explained to me for the first 30 years it is "the same as term". As long as I pay the guaranteed rate (about 110/month for 30 year term, I am 40) the policy is set and I can let it go without value like term. At the end of the 30 years, my rate is set for the next 10 years if I chose to pay some rate I don't have yet.I am getting a quote for pure term from metlife to compare.
 
Thanks for the topic! Finally got the process started, had to for a while, but this thread got me motivated!Got off the phone with aququote.com and they are quoting me a couple of policies I'll have some more specifics about later (term and amount) but the quote will be for Genworth UL policy. The lady on the phone stated it is the "same as term" but you can convert and it is priced equivalent. It seems based on this thread that this in not entirely true. Any insight? Shout I get a term quote without UL? Genworth seems solid, any negatives to this company?
I don't have any negatives on the company. Like many have said in this thread, there are a ton of negatives for a UL policy. I won't repeat them as you can reread the thread yourself. Is there a specific reason you chose UL instead of term?
Filled out preliminary application and that is what they quoted me. As it was explained to me for the first 30 years it is "the same as term". As long as I pay the guaranteed rate (about 110/month for 30 year term, I am 40) the policy is set and I can let it go without value like term. At the end of the 30 years, my rate is set for the next 10 years if I chose to pay some rate I don't have yet.I am getting a quote for pure term from metlife to compare.
Sounds good. Just make sure you read up on Universal Life so you understand the negatives. Remember that the insurance salesman are always going to push whole or Universal Life because they make more money on those from your back. Unless you have a very specific situation you are likely to do much better with term.Again, unless you have a specific reason do not mix your insurance and investments.
 
Thanks for the topic! Finally got the process started, had to for a while, but this thread got me motivated!

Got off the phone with aququote.com and they are quoting me a couple of policies I'll have some more specifics about later (term and amount) but the quote will be for Genworth UL policy. The lady on the phone stated it is the "same as term" but you can convert and it is priced equivalent. It seems based on this thread that this in not entirely true. Any insight? Shout I get a term quote without UL? Genworth seems solid, any negatives to this company?
I don't have any negatives on the company. Like many have said in this thread, there are a ton of negatives for a UL policy. I won't repeat them as you can reread the thread yourself.

Is there a specific reason you chose UL instead of term?
Filled out preliminary application and that is what they quoted me. As it was explained to me for the first 30 years it is "the same as term". As long as I pay the guaranteed rate (about 110/month for 30 year term, I am 40) the policy is set and I can let it go without value like term. At the end of the 30 years, my rate is set for the next 10 years if I chose to pay some rate I don't have yet.I am getting a quote for pure term from metlife to compare.
Is this the going rate if you're completely healthy? I haven't shopped lately but I'm 34 and paying $27/month for $400k. I'm considering adding another $600k but I don't want to tempt my wife.

 
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Thanks for the topic! Finally got the process started, had to for a while, but this thread got me motivated!

Got off the phone with aququote.com and they are quoting me a couple of policies I'll have some more specifics about later (term and amount) but the quote will be for Genworth UL policy. The lady on the phone stated it is the "same as term" but you can convert and it is priced equivalent. It seems based on this thread that this in not entirely true. Any insight? Shout I get a term quote without UL? Genworth seems solid, any negatives to this company?
I don't have any negatives on the company. Like many have said in this thread, there are a ton of negatives for a UL policy. I won't repeat them as you can reread the thread yourself.

Is there a specific reason you chose UL instead of term?
Filled out preliminary application and that is what they quoted me. As it was explained to me for the first 30 years it is "the same as term". As long as I pay the guaranteed rate (about 110/month for 30 year term, I am 40) the policy is set and I can let it go without value like term. At the end of the 30 years, my rate is set for the next 10 years if I chose to pay some rate I don't have yet.I am getting a quote for pure term from metlife to compare.
Is this the going rate if you're completely healthy? I haven't shopped lately but I'm 34 and paying $27/month for $400k. I'm considering adding another $600k but I don't want to tempt my wife.
We just upped and change ours last year.I pay 1400 for my wife and I for 750K on each of us. 20 year term. I guess that's about 117 a month for both of us.

Completely healthy, our rate was a bit high because I'm a bit over weight 200lbs 5'9". Bumps up my premium. :shrug:

 
I am 34 years old. Last year I bought a 20 year term policy for 800k that costs me $41/month. If my cholesterol comes down (I've been working on it) then I can get a $1MM policy for the same price.



There is also a new type of insurance that pays a "salary" to the benificiary as long as they are alive. So, you could buy a $100k/yr policy and if something happened to you, then your wife/kid would get paid every two weeks a paycheck. That would work out well if you got hit by a bus tomorrow, but isn't as appealing if you're 75 years old.
Don't do this. If you're worried about your wife having trouble budgeting out a lump sum payment, sit with her and go through what you would intend for her to do with the money. (i.e. 1 - pay off all debt, 2 - put away money for kids college, 3 - put x amount in CDs (or some risk free investment) that are staircased so she'll get a constant stream of money, etc)
Couldn't you just put it in a trust with a reliable trustee?
I assume you could, but I don't know anything about trustees.

 
Lots of complicated up in here so far.

I want to pick up life insurance like now. I don't want fancy or complicated things. I want whatever basic policy a typical 35 year old dude in reasonably good health should be getting. I have a wife and one kid, with 2 or 3 more kids planned along the way. I'd like to situate them so that if I go, my wife can pay of the mortgage and not work until the kids are out in school, and also be able to pay for their college.

What company do I call? Is there an easy answer here (like Geico for car insurance)? TIA

Also I'm pretty sure I want term life, right?

 
Lots of complicated up in here so far.

I want to pick up life insurance like now. I don't want fancy or complicated things. I want whatever basic policy a typical 35 year old dude in reasonably good health should be getting. I have a wife and one kid, with 2 or 3 more kids planned along the way. I'd like to situate them so that if I go, my wife can pay of the mortgage and not work until the kids are out in school, and also be able to pay for their college.

What company do I call? Is there an easy answer here (like Geico for car insurance)? TIA

Also I'm pretty sure I want term life, right?
If I were you I would be in the market for a 30 year term for about $2 million.
 
Lots of complicated up in here so far.

I want to pick up life insurance like now. I don't want fancy or complicated things. I want whatever basic policy a typical 35 year old dude in reasonably good health should be getting. I have a wife and one kid, with 2 or 3 more kids planned along the way. I'd like to situate them so that if I go, my wife can pay of the mortgage and not work until the kids are out in school, and also be able to pay for their college.

What company do I call? Is there an easy answer here (like Geico for car insurance)? TIA

Also I'm pretty sure I want term life, right?
If I were you I would be in the market for a 30 year term for about $2 million.
That sounds about right. I was thinking maybe 2.5M, and no more than 3. A quick online quote tells me I'm looking at about $150 a month or more. That really what folks are paying for life insurance? I had hoped for less.

 
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Lots of complicated up in here so far.

I want to pick up life insurance like now. I don't want fancy or complicated things. I want whatever basic policy a typical 35 year old dude in reasonably good health should be getting. I have a wife and one kid, with 2 or 3 more kids planned along the way. I'd like to situate them so that if I go, my wife can pay of the mortgage and not work until the kids are out in school, and also be able to pay for their college.

What company do I call? Is there an easy answer here (like Geico for car insurance)? TIA

Also I'm pretty sure I want term life, right?
I called a handful of companies and met life had the best rates. Things will obviously differ in different states, but I would include them on your short list.
 
Lots of complicated up in here so far.

I want to pick up life insurance like now. I don't want fancy or complicated things. I want whatever basic policy a typical 35 year old dude in reasonably good health should be getting. I have a wife and one kid, with 2 or 3 more kids planned along the way. I'd like to situate them so that if I go, my wife can pay of the mortgage and not work until the kids are out in school, and also be able to pay for their college.

What company do I call? Is there an easy answer here (like Geico for car insurance)? TIA

Also I'm pretty sure I want term life, right?
If I were you I would be in the market for a 30 year term for about $2 million.
That sounds about right. I was thinking maybe 2.5M, and no more than 3. A quick online quote tells me I'm looking at about $150 a month or more. That really what folks are paying for life insurance? I had hoped for less.
FWIW- when I did my research, I ended up with NorthWestern Mutual... can't remember why.
 
Many of you seem to be pretty adamant about term LI over the other types. And many of you seem adamant about recommending this for others - even without knowing others' situations. Just curious why? Are you saying that there isn't a person out there that should go with universal or whole over term? Interested to hear why those in the term camp are so strongly in favor of it. Thanks.

 
Many of you seem to be pretty adamant about term LI over the other types. And many of you seem adamant about recommending this for others - even without knowing others' situations. Just curious why? Are you saying that there isn't a person out there that should go with universal or whole over term? Interested to hear why those in the term camp are so strongly in favor of it. Thanks.
:goodposting: I've been around enough to know that there is a time and place for all types of investments. There is a certain segment of the investment world who sees life insurance as a black hole, but a necessity...so cheap term is their answer. That is a poor and ill-informed opinion fueled by entities who don't do life insurance and lose investment dollars to it (:cough:brokers:cough:). UL's and VUL's are fantastic options for a lot of people. If you have a solid income stream and no reason to expect a decline, why not cover your insurance needs, get a return on that money and a safer place to put it than the market? Including life insurance products in your overall portfolio of investments is a very smart thing to do, IMO and better diversity than the typical Edward Jones portfolio.
 
Many of you seem to be pretty adamant about term LI over the other types. And many of you seem adamant about recommending this for others - even without knowing others' situations. Just curious why? Are you saying that there isn't a person out there that should go with universal or whole over term? Interested to hear why those in the term camp are so strongly in favor of it. Thanks.
Anyone?! I am seriously curious to know why people flat out recommend this over the others in almost every single situation. Thanks!
 
A coworker died unexpectantly over the holidays, cancer, and it has caused me to re-evaluate my situation. I have a 4x salary at work, but thought about getting a similar policy outside to make sure my family is taken care of.

I know Dave Ramsey recommends Zander's, but I am not sure why Term is better than others. Looks like I can get a 20 year term policy for $500K for ~$25 a month.

 
Many of you seem to be pretty adamant about term LI over the other types. And many of you seem adamant about recommending this for others - even without knowing others' situations. Just curious why? Are you saying that there isn't a person out there that should go with universal or whole over term? Interested to hear why those in the term camp are so strongly in favor of it. Thanks.
Anyone?! I am seriously curious to know why people flat out recommend this over the others in almost every single situation. Thanks!
I am not an expert, but when I did my research Whole life seemed to be best used as an investment vehicle. The problem with it, IIRC, was that the returns weren't typically as high as other investemtns and the rates were brutal ocmpared to Term (of course, the rates paid out were still your money, rather than lost to the insurance company).I wasn't and still am not in a position to invest in something other than the places I'm already investing- I just wanted some coverage for my family in case of my death.

 
What's the best way to estimate how much coverage is needed? I would like to get insurance for both me and my wife. Is it better to get the insurance before or after our babies are born?

 
What's the best way to estimate how much coverage is needed? I would like to get insurance for both me and my wife. Is it better to get the insurance before or after our babies are born?
there is no one way, as the variables that go into the equation (including non quantifiable ones like "piece of mind") are pretty broad.There are many different calculators online that can help you. Try out a few different ones to get a feel. here is one example belowhttp://www.bankrate.com/calculators/insurance/life-insurance-calculator.aspx
 
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Looking into this and I was able to find a $1M/30 year TL insurance for $179/mo. Good price?

Before you say 'Why not 20?"...I'm in decent health and hope to live until I'm 60. Making it to 70 on the other hand????

 
wife and i just applied for 30 year term policies through usaa. she was approved, i was rejected for "scuba diving and marijuana use (hav a prescription, only thing that helps me sleep and deal with chronic back pain(seriously))" Am I SOL or are there companies that will give me a policy?

 
Looking into this and I was able to find a $1M/30 year TL insurance for $179/mo. Good price? Before you say 'Why not 20?"...I'm in decent health and hope to live until I'm 60. Making it to 70 on the other hand????
Something not adding up there. How old are you?I'm 40 and I pay $51/mo for a $1M 20-year term. Banner Life. Got it through select quote.
 
What's the best way to estimate how much coverage is needed? I would like to get insurance for both me and my wife. Is it better to get the insurance before or after our babies are born?
Don't think it matters about the kids, if you are asking about rate difference.I calculated everything to get them through college. Not having any more kids and did a 20-yr (youngest is about to turn 4).
 
Looking into this and I was able to find a $1M/30 year TL insurance for $179/mo. Good price? Before you say 'Why not 20?"...I'm in decent health and hope to live until I'm 60. Making it to 70 on the other hand????
Something not adding up there. How old are you?I'm 40 and I pay $51/mo for a $1M 20-year term. Banner Life. Got it through select quote.
I'm 40, but the quote was for 30 years, not 20. Big difference in price since most people won't die before they're 60.
 
'valence said:
wife and i just applied for 30 year term policies through usaa. she was approved, i was rejected for "scuba diving and marijuana use (hav a prescription, only thing that helps me sleep and deal with chronic back pain(seriously))" Am I SOL or are there companies that will give me a policy?
Why even admit those things?
 
Looking into this and I was able to find a $1M/30 year TL insurance for $179/mo. Good price? Before you say 'Why not 20?"...I'm in decent health and hope to live until I'm 60. Making it to 70 on the other hand????
Something not adding up there. How old are you?I'm 40 and I pay $51/mo for a $1M 20-year term. Banner Life. Got it through select quote.
I'm 40, but the quote was for 30 years, not 20. Big difference in price since most people won't die before they're 60.
I don't think the difference should be that big. Previously I had a 30 which was $67/mo. I missed the top tier because of a slightly high cholesterol. So I spent a year eating oatmeal and doing a lot of running, then switched to this 20yr policy. Are you using selectquote?
 
I just got 750,000 30 yr through banner/select quote for 650.00 a year. Just to give you an idea on costs out there. I'm 33.

 
I got life ins a few years back at age 36 and pay 56/mo for 30 yr 500k. gonna rate shop with select quote as it sounds like i should be able to do better.

 
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Also, I have about 7-8 months before the baby comes. Should I try to be super healthy guy for a few months before talking someone? Will that lower my costs? I'm pretty fit as it is. Run 10-15 mikes a week and lift weights
The insurance companies WANT to insure you, so you can get a way with a lot. I will tell you, for a healthy guy, the medical is little to worry about. I was drinking a lot when I got mine and it did not affect the results (i.e. the blood work...I did not say how much I was drinking). I was able to get about 17x of what I make, but I really had to push for it. I was turned down once a while ago for premium because I had a speeding ticket within 10 years of when I applied, but I did not go through with it and reapplied a couple years later and was fine. The questions are pretty open-ended when it comes to the "thrill seeking" stuff...I don't do any extreme sports, but was asked stuff like, "do you jet ski", etc. I could honestly answer "no", but the truth is if you did it once, should it count...in my mind it should not. When you say you live life in the fast-lane, what kind of stuff do you do?
 
'valence said:
wife and i just applied for 30 year term policies through usaa. she was approved, i was rejected for "scuba diving and marijuana use (hav a prescription, only thing that helps me sleep and deal with chronic back pain(seriously))" Am I SOL or are there companies that will give me a policy?
Why even admit those things?
i guess i thought honesty was the best policy in case something came up after the fact. i was told payout could be refused should there be any discrepancies. they drug test so kind of hard to lie about the weed. guess i'll detox and re-apply and not say anything about either. Just seems ridiculous that alcoholics and cigarette smokers can get life insurance no problem (albeit at higher rates) but scuba diving (divemaster level certification) and some weed that I have a prescription for is such a huge deal.
 
Want to get insurance lined up before the babies are born. Looking at a 2 million dollar policy for my wife. Going to run about $100 a month for 25 year term.

How will getting qualified be effected with her being pregnant?

 
Want to get insurance lined up before the babies are born. Looking at a 2 million dollar policy for my wife. Going to run about $100 a month for 25 year term.

How will getting qualified be effected with her being pregnant?
My guess is it will be better to go through underwriting after the pregnancy... some women die during childbirth, so that's a risk factor right there, as is the potential for post-partum depression. How do you know it's going to be $100/mo unless you have gone through the process?

 
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Wooderson said:
Want to get insurance lined up before the babies are born. Looking at a 2 million dollar policy for my wife. Going to run about $100 a month for 25 year term.

How will getting qualified be effected with her being pregnant?
My guess is it will be better to go through underwriting after the pregnancy... some women die during childbirth, so that's a risk factor right there, as is the potential for post-partum depression. How do you know it's going to be $100/mo unless you have gone through the process?
Well I don't know for sure but that is the quote I got using the link in this thread. It was $96 for 2 mil.

 
johnnycakes said:
Wooderson said:
Want to get insurance lined up before the babies are born. Looking at a 2 million dollar policy for my wife. Going to run about $100 a month for 25 year term.

How will getting qualified be effected with her being pregnant?
My guess is it will be better to go through underwriting after the pregnancy... some women die during childbirth, so that's a risk factor right there, as is the potential for post-partum depression. How do you know it's going to be $100/mo unless you have gone through the process?
Well I don't know for sure but that is the quote I got using the link in this thread. It was $96 for 2 mil.
FYI, those rates from the websites tend to be the very best, least risk, most healthy rates available from a particular company. Have high blood pressure? You're getting a higher rate... Take prescription med - any prescription med - for a chronic problem? There's probably another risk factor. Any one risk factor can drop you into a less favorable rate class, and depending on the combination of risk factors, may drop you down even farther and, as noted above, if you participate at all in any high-risk activities, such as sky diving or scuba diving, you may not even be able to find insurance that is reasonably priced. Finally, it helps to have an understanding of how each company uses the risk data they collect... Prudential, for example, has only 4 risk classes, and you're only getting the top risk class if your health is pretty much perfect. New York Life, otoh, has 16 different risk classes... they fine tune the process a lot more and, depending upon your situation, may very well result in a better product overall.

 
I recently converted 100k of my 500k term to whole life with New York Life. The farther down the road I go, the more I like NY Life.

I also have 75k whole life policies on both of my kids and am using it as their college funds.

One thing about whole life is the income stream at retirement is tax free.

 
wife and i just applied for 30 year term policies through usaa. she was approved, i was rejected for "scuba diving and marijuana use (hav a prescription, only thing that helps me sleep and deal with chronic back pain(seriously))" Am I SOL or are there companies that will give me a policy?
Why even admit those things?
Honesty Is the best policy.
 
Looking into this now.

20 year, 1 million, looking like it will be 35 bucks a month. I'm 41, in good shape, blah blah. That rate sound about right?

 
Yep sounds about right, actually sounds low. What company?

I would look into TransAmerica with a Living Benefits rider, it might cost an extra $4-$5 a month.

 
I recently converted 100k of my 500k term to whole life with New York Life. The farther down the road I go, the more I like NY Life.

I also have 75k whole life policies on both of my kids and am using it as their college funds.

One thing about whole life is the income stream at retirement is tax free.
Be sure to NOT do this.

 

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