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Need some advice about a nosey neighbor (1 Viewer)

I've worked outside all day in 90+ degree heat and no one called OSHA on my employer.  Pretty sure dogs are going to be fine.

 
Mrs. Rannous said:
Then read again.  Houston Citizens for Animal Protection

And Michigan just isn't as humid as it is here.  A day out in proper conditions is just not that awful. Personally I would get a dog run;  but for every now and then, no bigs.
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The link says this:

 In the summer months, even with shade trees, it is unpleasant and, on really hot days, miserable for many pets to remain outside during the heat of the day for consecutive hours.
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Sheesh. Feels like we're a few posts away from someone suggesting getting rid of the dog allergic kid so the pooch can live inside full time.  :oldunsure:

Note to self: Never get on the wrong side of the "dogs are people too" crowd.

 
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create an end of summer 'open pool party' ad on craigslist.

Party will have clowns / moon bounce / pony rides for the kids

free food/drinks & adult beverages.

Dogs are welcome

12pm-11pm

everyone is invited and use her address.

 
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fantasycurse42 said:
Do you abuse your dog? She calls animal control all the time bc the dog is outside? Is her house next to yours or behind yours? 

Is there anything else to this story we're missing? 

Have you thought about a fence?
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Tell you something weird about the state of Michigan....fences are very rare.  At least in the neighborhoods I've frequented and I've frequented quite a bit.  There's all these strange restrictions about putting up fences on your property.  Askew, this.

 
As long as dogs have shade and water, they should be fine in 90 degree heat.  I grew up on a farm with an outside dog.  He was with us all the time, even when we were in the middle of field baling hay all day.  When he was hot, he would go find shade.  When he was thirsty, he would find a stream or puddle of water.  The dog had more shade than we did. 

However, leaving a dog tied all day in direct sun is absolutely wrong and I would call animal control. 

This situation is not going to end.  The neighbor lady has made making Daisy miserable a focus of her life.  

 
Battle her with her own kryptonite.  From the lady's size, it sounds like it would be hard for her to turn down a meal or 10.  Send her some baked goods to squash the beef, or at least give off that impression, but lace it with laxatives to let her know it's game on.  

 
Angry Beavers said:
and a furnace and NFL Sunday ticket...

I mean, the dog better be entertained when it is home alone....
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Even if he can't play, it sounds like the dog could host my draft and football sundays. In the summer we could watch golf together.

 
How about we put together a simple rating scale to help quickly identify dog owner types for future threads.  This seems to come up a lot.  

1. Mike Vick

2. Cruella Deville

3.

4.

5. MSUDaisy

6.

7.

8.

10. ChemicalX

 
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General Malaise said:
Tell you something weird about the state of Michigan....fences are very rare.  At least in the neighborhoods I've frequented and I've frequented quite a bit.  There's all these strange restrictions about putting up fences on your property.  Askew, this.
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This is true, some cities will not allow fences. Some HOA's won't allow them. We don't have this problem here at our current house, but as I said before we aren't building a fence.

 
DocHolliday said:
As long as dogs have shade and water, they should be fine in 90 degree heat.  I grew up on a farm with an outside dog.  He was with us all the time, even when we were in the middle of field baling hay all day.  When he was hot, he would go find shade.  When he was thirsty, he would find a stream or puddle of water.  The dog had more shade than we did. 

However, leaving a dog tied all day in direct sun is absolutely wrong and I would call animal control. 

This situation is not going to end.  The neighbor lady has made making Daisy miserable a focus of her life.  
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I am not sure if I mentioned this, but the dog has a ton of shade. Her house is under a large balcony that is 12 feet above the ground and she has a 5 gallon bucket that is always full of water when she is outside and changed twice a day.

 
92 isn't too hot for most breeds of dogs.   The questions the Animal control people were asking are in line with what is correct: nothing wrong with leaving them outside if they have water, shelter (shade) and are looked in upon.

I'm with team @msudaisy26 and the neighbors need to mind their own damn business.

Suggestions:

If your dogs are water dogs like mine get one of those cheap kiddie pools for them to play in, animal control will be laughing their heads off at your neighbors.  Also, install surveillance cameras if you don't have any, sounds like these people are nuts and can't be trusted.  They are also good for checking up on your dogs and can serve as video proof of their well being.  

 
msudaisy26 said:
I am not sure if I mentioned this, but the dog has a ton of shade. Her house is under a large balcony that is 12 feet above the ground and she has a 5 gallon bucket that is always full of water when she is outside and changed twice a day.
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This is better living conditions than being locked inside all day.  

 
tonydead said:
If your dogs are water dogs like mine get one of those cheap kiddie pools for them to play in, animal control will be laughing their heads off at your neighbors.  Also, install surveillance cameras if you don't have any, sounds like these people are nuts and can't be trusted.  They are also good for checking up on your dogs and can serve as video proof of their well being.  
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These are 2 great ideas.

tonydead said:
This is better living conditions than being locked inside all day.  
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I'm not sure I agree with this though. 

Some dogs I'm sure would prefer being outside all day. 

My couch potato dog would think she was abandoned and in a survival situation if we left her out for more than 20 minutes.

 
msudaisy26 said:
It was a Sunday and we were gone the entire day. Animal control doesn't come out on weekends so they sent an officer.

Anyways it was a hot day and our other neighbors were checking on the dog since they knew we would be gone all day. 

When we got home there was an officer in our driveway and this woman had people over, and her sister and kids were in our yard playing with our dog. She was drinking a beer and her kids were eatting popsicles and feeding one to our dog. 

It had been a long day and the officer asked how could he know if this was our house and this pissed off my husband and he asked the cop how many times he had been to someone's house and people who didn't own the house pulled up with a cop there. The cop got agitated and said he was just trying to do his job and my husband got even more pissed and wanted to know where in his job description it said come to someone's house and allow the neighbors to party in the yard and feed their dog popsicles. It escalated a little from there with them yelling at each other before the police left. 
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LOL your husband is my kind of people. I’ve known a lot of cops and many are just plain d-bags for whatever reason.

 
people that leave their dogs outside all day while they're at work/gone for the day are the same people who say "my dog doesn't bark".  meanwhile it's baying at every passing car, pedestrian and flying bird for 8 straight hours.

 
tonydead said:
92 isn't too hot for most breeds of dogs.   The questions the Animal control people were asking are in line with what is correct: nothing wrong with leaving them outside if they have water, shelter (shade) and are looked in upon.

I'm with team @msudaisy26 and the neighbors need to mind their own damn business.

Suggestions:

If your dogs are water dogs like mine get one of those cheap kiddie pools for them to play in, animal control will be laughing their heads off at your neighbors.  Also, install surveillance cameras if you don't have any, sounds like these people are nuts and can't be trusted.  They are also good for checking up on your dogs and can serve as video proof of their well being.  
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Exactly.  Guarantee a dog would easily prefer being outside with shade/water than being locked inside a house all day.  People are nuts.

Most parents used to throw their kids outside for the day and they survived.  

The people who keep their dogs inside all day are the ones who should be shamed.

 
ILUVBEER99 said:
Exactly.  Guarantee a dog would easily prefer being outside with shade/water than being locked inside a house all day.  People are nuts.

Most parents used to throw their kids outside for the day and they survived.  

The people who keep their dogs inside all day are the ones who should be shamed.
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My dog would hate being outside all day and would bark continuously until we let her in.

It's probably more accurate to say some dogs would prefer to be outside, and some would prefer to be inside.

 
ILUVBEER99 said:
Exactly.  Guarantee a dog would easily prefer being outside with shade/water than being locked inside a house all day.  People are nuts.

Most parents used to throw their kids outside for the day and they survived.  

The people who keep their dogs inside all day are the ones who should be shamed.
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On a chain?

 
ILUVBEER99 said:
Exactly.  Guarantee a dog would easily prefer being outside with shade/water than being locked inside a house all day.  People are nuts.

Most parents used to throw their kids outside for the day and they survived.  

The people who keep their dogs inside all day are the ones who should be shamed.
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It really does depend on the dog. 5 to 10 years ago this dog used to sleep in the snow. Why? Just because, our old house had a doggie door and it didn't matter once October hit she would sleep outside until June even if it was like minus 10 out. She would come in for 30 minutes or so and get to warm and right back out for 3 hours or more.  Now that she is 14 though, she would much rather be in the house even when it is 60 degrees out with no humidity.

 
msudaisy26 said:
It really does depend on the dog. 5 to 10 years ago this dog used to sleep in the snow. Why? Just because, our old house had a doggie door and it didn't matter once October hit she would sleep outside until June even if it was like minus 10 out. She would come in for 30 minutes or so and get to warm and right back out for 3 hours or more.  Now that she is 14 though, she would much rather be in the house even when it is 60 degrees out with no humidity.
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This is new info that might be persuasive enough to bump you down a slot or two on the Swanson Scale toward the good dog owner side.

I mean, this clearly shows that your dog does like being outside, and as long as it had plenty of shade and water, I think it was fine.

 
NotSmart said:
This is new info that might be persuasive enough to bump you down a slot or two on the Swanson Scale toward the good dog owner side.

I mean, this clearly shows that your dog does like being outside, and as long as it had plenty of shade and water, I think it was fine.
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She used to for sure. We had Animal control called on us at our old houses several times. Had to show the cops or the Animal control person the doggie door and show them that the dog wanted to be outside. It was the worst, because we would call the dog inside to show the cop that everything is okay and the doggie door worked.  So the dog would come running through the door and see a new person and of course the new person was only here to play with her. So at 11 pm at night the dog would get all fired up and then we would have to calm her down or she would be outside barking all night because she was ready to play.

This dog would lose her mind if she was in the house for more than an hour at a time when she was younger, start barking and whining or scratching at doors. Now she wants to be inside all the time, no matter what. When you have someone allergic though it is hard to do, plus she is 14 and can't go but a couple of hours without doing her business.

 
I’m really shocked by the number of people who think it’s not ok to leave a dog out on a hot day. What do you think people did 60 years ago before air conditioning became standard?  Animals and people do just fine in a little heat. We’ve become a society of special snowflakes. 

 
Buckychudd said:
I’m really shocked by the number of people who think it’s not ok to leave a dog out on a hot day. What do you think people did 60 years ago before air conditioning became standard?  Animals and people do just fine in a little heat. We’ve become a society of special snowflakes. 
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Like everything, there's common sense requirements though.

A dog kept outside in hot weather should have adequate shade, shelter, and water.

 
Buckychudd said:
I’m really shocked by the number of people who think it’s not ok to leave a dog out on a hot day. What do you think people did 60 years ago before air conditioning became standard?  Animals and people do just fine in a little heat. We’ve become a society of special snowflakes. 
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That's because lots of people think of them as their children.

 
Mile High said:
That's because lots of people think of them as their children.
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Even children are fine outside in the summer.  Call me crazy but dogs are more suited for being outside than humans.

Most people didn't even have AC before 1980's and they seemed to survive just fine.  

 
msudaisy26 said:
Because that isn't how we planned it. Why do you side with my neighbor that lets their dogs poop in our yard without cleaning it up? Why do you think it is okay for them to just come into our yard when we aren't home and feed my dog a popsicle and drink beer in my yard like they own the place? Or call animal control when they are worried about a dog that is already in the house? You are also acting like we are gone all the time, it was one day.
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You are pretty argumentative.

 
NotSmart said:
This is new info that might be persuasive enough to bump you down a slot or two on the Swanson Scale toward the good dog owner side.

I mean, this clearly shows that your dog does like being outside, and as long as it had plenty of shade and water, I think it was fine.
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Did you read what she said correctly? She says the dog prefers to be inside the house even when it is 60° outside.

A 14 year old dog left chained up outside a full day in 90° weather that hates being outside these days? Is this a fishing trip? By "house" I pray you meant dog house.

 
msudaisy26 said:
I don't think so, she is 14 and old. Spends about 50 percent of her time outside and 50 percent inside. 

She is across the street so the front of her house faces the front of ours. 

I don't think I am missing anything, but they aren't friendly people. They have never talked to us or really anyone in our neighborhood. There are several big parties in our neighborhood every year and she is never there.

No on the fence, she is 14 years old and when she goes will won't get another dog since our daughter is allergic. 
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Well, since you have decided against the logical solution, enjoy the great neighborhood

 
msudaisy26 said:
She used to for sure. We had Animal control called on us at our old houses several times. Had to show the cops or the Animal control person the doggie door and show them that the dog wanted to be outside. It was the worst, because we would call the dog inside to show the cop that everything is okay and the doggie door worked.  So the dog would come running through the door and see a new person and of course the new person was only here to play with her. So at 11 pm at night the dog would get all fired up and then we would have to calm her down or she would be outside barking all night because she was ready to play.

This dog would lose her mind if she was in the house for more than an hour at a time when she was younger, start barking and whining or scratching at doors. Now she wants to be inside all the time, no matter what. When you have someone allergic though it is hard to do, plus she is 14 and can't go but a couple of hours without doing her business.
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Our old farm dog was the same way.  He went to his doghouse every evening but was ready to follow us around outside all day no matter what we were doing.  Cold, heat, rain, and snow didn't matter to the dog until the day he died.  He was an outside dog. 

On extremely cold nights, we had to drag him into the garage.  And, I do mean drag.  He wanted none of it.  Miss that big old dog. 

 
DocHolliday said:
Our old farm dog was the same way.  He went to his doghouse every evening but was ready to follow us around outside all day no matter what we were doing.  Cold, heat, rain, and snow didn't matter to the dog until the day he died.  He was an outside dog. 

On extremely cold nights, we had to drag him into the garage.  And, I do mean drag.  He wanted none of it.  Miss that big old dog. 
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How far can you drag a dog on a chain?

 
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