Nelson vs Cobb 2014 (1 Viewer)

[3nOut]

With Cobb coming off a broken leg and Rodgers back at the helm, who do you think will post better numbers next year? Who is Rodgers' go-to guy?

 

[DropKick]

I expect their numbers to be similar - maybe with more TDs for Nelseon and more receptions for Cobb. As far as the "go to" guy, I think its Cobb and we saw Cobb thrown to in the most critical situations in the last several games.

 

[jonboltz]

Same thread, new year. Eventually, likely after Jordy retires, the people that prefer Cobb will get it right.

 

[FUBAR]

I expect their numbers to be similar - maybe with more TDs for Nelseon and more receptions for Cobb. As far as the "go to" guy, I think its Cobb and we saw Cobb thrown to in the most critical situations in the last several games.

Rodgers goes where he can.

Cobb in ppr

Nelson elsewhere

It's close

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Jordy will push for top-5 PPR numbers and be underappreciated, again.

 

[sho nuff]

I expect their numbers to be similar - maybe with more TDs for Nelseon and more receptions for Cobb. As far as the "go to" guy, I think its Cobb and we saw Cobb thrown to in the most critical situations in the last several games.

Rodgers goes where he can.

Cobb in ppr

Nelson elsewhere

It's close

Would agree with this. But think Cobb is going to get even more redzone looks coming this next year with Jones likely gone.

 

[ghostguy123]

Same thread, new year. Eventually, likely after Jordy retires, the people that prefer Cobb will get it right.

Ya mean like all the way back in 2012??

 

[FUBAR]

Same thread, new year. Eventually, likely after Jordy retires, the people that prefer Cobb will get it right.

Ya mean like all the way back in 2012??

Last year Cobb on average outscored Nelson by a point per game. 2012, both Cobb and Jones outscored Nelson by 3 and 1 ppg respectively.

 

[ghostguy123]

Same thread, new year. Eventually, likely after Jordy retires, the people that prefer Cobb will get it right.

Ya mean like all the way back in 2012??

Last year Cobb on average outscored Nelson by a point per game. 2012, both Cobb and Jones outscored Nelson by 3 and 1 ppg respectively.

Yeah. What can ya do, people just say random stuff sometimes.

 

[FGITLOTR]

Non PPR I'm going Nelson all day and yes he will always be underappreciated

 

[ghostguy123]

Non PPR I'm going Nelson all day and yes he will always be underappreciated

Well, the poll question is a bit flawed. Doesnt specify PPR or not. I would go cobb in ppr and nelson in non ppr.

 

[Tool]

i like both. if i knew both would be healthy all year i'd take Cobb but he is a little small and he got hurt last year so i do worry about that some.

 

[althepostman]

Same thread, new year. Eventually, likely after Jordy retires, the people that prefer Cobb will get it right.

Ya mean like all the way back in 2012??

Last year Cobb on average outscored Nelson by a point per game. 2012, both Cobb and Jones outscored Nelson by 3 and 1 ppg respectively.

I can cherry pick too.

For 2013, counting only the games played with Rodgers(since Cobb only played with Rodgers), Nelson outscored Cobb by over 3 PPG. In 2011 Jordy outscored him by 9 ppg.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Same thread, new year. Eventually, likely after Jordy retires, the people that prefer Cobb will get it right.

Ya mean like all the way back in 2012??

Last year Cobb on average outscored Nelson by a point per game. 2012, both Cobb and Jones outscored Nelson by 3 and 1 ppg respectively.

I can cherry pick too.

For 2013, counting only the games played with Rodgers(since Cobb only played with Rodgers), Nelson outscored Cobb by over 3 PPG. In 2011 Jordy outscored him by 9 ppg.

So, you complain about cherry picking and then do the same. 2013, let's count the games where they both played with Rodgers and played the whole game ie the 1st 4 games of the season. Kinda hard to count game 5 when Cobb played until the 2nd quarter and the last game when he played only in spots. PPR Cobb scored 83 points and Jordy 80 points. They are obviously very close and Rodgers goes with who's open.

 

[Pipes]

Same thread, new year. Eventually, likely after Jordy retires, the people that prefer Cobb will get it right.

Ya mean like all the way back in 2012??

Not even 2012 was Cobb's breakout year so I don't think too many people were picking Cobb over Jordy then. I like Nelson better in every format but it's close. Both should be very productive.

 

[sho nuff]

Same thread, new year. Eventually, likely after Jordy retires, the people that prefer Cobb will get it right.

Ya mean like all the way back in 2012??

Not even 2012 was Cobb's breakout year so I don't think too many people were picking Cobb over Jordy then. I like Nelson better in every format but it's close. Both should be very productive.

Hard to go wrong.

Even coming off the injury, Cobb will likely get more hype and Nelson (like this past year) will present more value.

 

[Jercules]

Same thread, new year. Eventually, likely after Jordy retires, the people that prefer Cobb will get it right.

Ya mean like all the way back in 2012??

Not even 2012 was Cobb's breakout year so I don't think too many people were picking Cobb over Jordy then. I like Nelson better in every format but it's close. Both should be very productive.

Hard to go wrong.

Even coming off the injury, Cobb will likely get more hype and Nelson (like this past year) will present more value.

Great point about the value.

It's a little bit like Welker vs. Moss in the New England heyday, only Cobb is more dynamic than Welker and Nelson is a homeless man's Moss. Still though, do you favor the consistent underneath first down machine who'll probably have more receptions and may still handle return duties, or do you take the volatile down field threat who's a TD machine and consistently underrated (because he's white, let's be honest)?

Between Rodgers, Lacy, Nelson, Cobb and Boykin/Jones (maybe both), the 2014 Green Bay offense ought to breathe fire. I'm going to get a stake in it anyway I can.

 

[ghostguy123]

I don't think nelson is really underrated in many serious leagues.

 

[FUBAR]

Same thread, new year. Eventually, likely after Jordy retires, the people that prefer Cobb will get it right.

Ya mean like all the way back in 2012??

Last year Cobb on average outscored Nelson by a point per game. 2012, both Cobb and Jones outscored Nelson by 3 and 1 ppg respectively.

I can cherry pick too.For 2013, counting only the games played with Rodgers(since Cobb only played with Rodgers), Nelson outscored Cobb by over 3 PPG. In 2011 Jordy outscored him by 9 ppg.

Taking games played is cherry picking?

 

[3nOut]

Still very close. So far it's 53% Nelson.

 

[Sweetness_34]

I will take Jordy all day long. Cobb's body worries me. He consistently gets beat up in the middle of the field. I do not expect him to have a healthy career.

 

[Andrew74]

I will take Jordy all day long. Cobb's body worries me. He consistently gets beat up in the middle of the field. I do not expect him to have a healthy career.

What injuries has he sustained, besides the "nobody survives this knee shot" in 2013? IIRC, in 2012 he had ankle issues, but that was from punt return duty.

 

[Sweet Love]

I don't understand why people are determining Cobb is better than Jordy in PPR. Nelson caught 85 balls this year. In Cobb's best season, he caught 80. While you can certainly make the argument that Cobb will catch more balls in 2014, I don't see how it is so cut-and-dry that Cobb is preferred in PPR. I think they are close enough that it boils down to VBD. If I can get a RB in round two and Jordy in round 3, I'll take that over Cobb in the 2nd and a 3rd round RB anytime.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Same thread, new year. Eventually, likely after Jordy retires, the people that prefer Cobb will get it right.

Ya mean like all the way back in 2012??

Last year Cobb on average outscored Nelson by a point per game. 2012, both Cobb and Jones outscored Nelson by 3 and 1 ppg respectively.

That's not really a fair comparison since Nelson had to suffer through Senecca Wallace, Scott Tolzien and Matt Flynn, while Cobb did not.

 

[cstu]

Same thread, new year. Eventually, likely after Jordy retires, the people that prefer Cobb will get it right.

Ya mean like all the way back in 2012??

Last year Cobb on average outscored Nelson by a point per game. 2012, both Cobb and Jones outscored Nelson by 3 and 1 ppg respectively.

That's not really a fair comparison since Nelson had to suffer through Senecca Wallace, Scott Tolzien and Matt Flynn, while Cobb did not.

Through the first 4 games they were separated by less than a point. I expect similar next year.

 

[Black]

I felt like Cobb might be sniped by Lacy's carries. It struck me that alot of Cobb's stuff comes on 3rd and short...sort of passing game replacing the run game when it was not present.

I love Cobb, but am concerned that the presence of a run game and adding a reliable TE will cut into his production and limit his ceiling.

I think Nelson will be the big play guy and continue to get lots of deep balls.

 

[ghostguy123]

If think if both are healthy and Rogers is healthy, they will both do very well and both be top 15 with slight potential for both to be top 10, but probably not.

 

[3nOut]

If think if both are healthy and Rogers is healthy, they will both do very well and both be top 15 with slight potential for both to be top 10, but probably not.

So if they were both available for you in your next draft, who would you take?

 

[tdmills]

If think if both are healthy and Rogers is healthy, they will both do very well and both be top 15 with slight potential for both to be top 10, but probably not.

So if they were both available for you in your next draft, who would you take?

Cobb is 24...jordy is 28. Jordy is entering the last year of his deal I think as well.

 

[Andrew74]

If think if both are healthy and Rogers is healthy, they will both do very well and both be top 15 with slight potential for both to be top 10, but probably not.

So if they were both available for you in your next draft, who would you take?

Cobb is 24...jordy is 28. Jordy is entering the last year of his deal I think as well.

Cobb is as well

 

[drunken slob]

No numbers to support my vote for Cobb. I just like Cobb's prospects more this coming season.

 

[tdmills]

If think if both are healthy and Rogers is healthy, they will both do very well and both be top 15 with slight potential for both to be top 10, but probably not.

So if they were both available for you in your next draft, who would you take?

Cobb is 24...jordy is 28. Jordy is entering the last year of his deal I think as well.

Cobb is as well

I didn't know that, makes sense though. Thanks

 

[3nOut]

I'm probably going to bump this from time to time until my fantasy draft. Last bump was back in February. Any additional thoughts?

 

[steveski]

If I had a choice of either one, I'd go Cobb. Given where they are being drafted, Nelson is the value here (as he always is for some reason). Dynasty gets a little shaky though with both of them entering the last year of their deal. I think ideally GB would love to keep both, but I'd imagine Cobb would be the priority due to age? I would be curious to see if GB grabs a WR early in this draft and if so, will the WR be Cobb-like or Jordy-like?

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

I like Nelson by a very slim margin. Just think he's more likely to post double digit TDs, which could offset more catches by Cobb.

Pretty confident the Packers will grab a WR high in this draft. Both Nelson and Cobb are UFAs after this season. I expect they'll sign both, but they need to prepare for that not to be the case. They do like Boykin, but in this deep WR class, adding one for the future makes sense. I'm thinking Allen Robinson, Davante Adams or Jordan Matthews in round 2.

 

[Ted Mullins]

I like Nelson by a very slim margin. Just think he's more likely to post double digit TDs, which could offset more catches by Cobb.

This pretty much sums it up for me as well - might be different for PPR leagues, but in non-PPR if the price is similar I will take Nelson because I consider him likely to have more TDs.

 

[Dismattle]

Nelson signed a pretty sweet contract today Id say advantage Cobb

Nelson : Ouch bad throw! Ill get the next one..

Cobb : Oh yeah I got this!

 

[Ilov80s]

I pretty much have them dead even. I'd be ecstatic to get either.

 

[sho nuff]

Nelson signed a pretty sweet contract today Id say advantage Cobb

Nelson : Ouch bad throw! Ill get the next one..

Cobb : Oh yeah I got this!

Has Nelson ever acted like that?

 

[stbugs]

FYI, look at 2013 stats. Rodgers played the first 7 games (only 2 passes in week 8) and Cobb played the first 6 games.

In Nelson's first 7 games with Cobb only missing one week, he averaged 21 ppg in PPR. That was 4th in PPG behind Gordon, Julio and Calvin and 1ppg better that DT at #5.

Cobb being there has no affect on Nelson and vice versa. Rodgers being healthy all year does. If Rodgers is healthy, Nelson and Cobb will both be in the top 15, although I would give Nelson the edge for being higher and possibly top 5. The reason for that is the 7 to 2 TD advantage Nelson had when Rodgers was healthy. Nelson's 7 TDs in 7 weeks with Rodgers tells me that the 15 TDs in 2012 was most likely not a fluke.

Actually, one quick note. If Rodgers doesn't get hurt and Nelson continues his pace for all 16 games (he didn't miss any time), he would have been the #1 WR ahead of DT. I have a choice to keep Nelson in one league and I think I may have just convinced myself to keep him.

 

[Andrew74]

FYI, look at 2013 stats. Rodgers played the first 7 games (only 2 passes in week 8) and Cobb played the first 6 games.

In Nelson's first 7 games with Cobb only missing one week, he averaged 21 ppg in PPR. That was 4th in PPG behind Gordon, Julio and Calvin and 1ppg better that DT at #5.

Cobb being there has no affect on Nelson and vice versa. Rodgers being healthy all year does. If Rodgers is healthy, Nelson and Cobb will both be in the top 15, although I would give Nelson the edge for being higher and possibly top 5. The reason for that is the 7 to 2 TD advantage Nelson had when Rodgers was healthy. Nelson's 7 TDs in 7 weeks with Rodgers tells me that the 15 TDs in 2012 was most likely not a fluke.

Actually, one quick note. If Rodgers doesn't get hurt and Nelson continues his pace for all 16 games (he didn't miss any time), he would have been the #1 WR ahead of DT. I have a choice to keep Nelson in one league and I think I may have just convinced myself to keep him.

Cobb only played 4 full games last year. During those games he and Nelson we almost identical. Cobb was 25-325-2 and Nelson was 23-371-3. I'd say Cobb out had a big impact on Nelson since 4 of his 7 TDs with Rodgers came after Cobb's injury (Nelson's TD against Ravens was after the injury). If everyone is healthy, I think it's 1a and 1b.

 

[cstu]

FYI, look at 2013 stats. Rodgers played the first 7 games (only 2 passes in week 8) and Cobb played the first 6 games.

In Nelson's first 7 games with Cobb only missing one week, he averaged 21 ppg in PPR. That was 4th in PPG behind Gordon, Julio and Calvin and 1ppg better that DT at #5.

Cobb being there has no affect on Nelson and vice versa. Rodgers being healthy all year does. If Rodgers is healthy, Nelson and Cobb will both be in the top 15, although I would give Nelson the edge for being higher and possibly top 5. The reason for that is the 7 to 2 TD advantage Nelson had when Rodgers was healthy. Nelson's 7 TDs in 7 weeks with Rodgers tells me that the 15 TDs in 2012 was most likely not a fluke.

Actually, one quick note. If Rodgers doesn't get hurt and Nelson continues his pace for all 16 games (he didn't miss any time), he would have been the #1 WR ahead of DT. I have a choice to keep Nelson in one league and I think I may have just convinced myself to keep him.

Cobb only played 4 full games last year. During those games he and Nelson we almost identical. Cobb was 25-325-2 and Nelson was 23-371-3. I'd say Cobb out had a big impact on Nelson since 4 of his 7 TDs with Rodgers came after Cobb's injury (Nelson's TD against Ravens was after the injury). If everyone is healthy, I think it's 1a and 1b.

 

[Dismattle]

Nelson signed a pretty sweet contract today Id say advantage Cobb

Nelson : Ouch bad throw! Ill get the next one..

Cobb : Oh yeah I got this!

Has Nelson ever acted like that?

Nope I was being fictitious, but I do like Cobb more..

 

[KellysHeroes]

Jordy Nelson's play at camp so far has been "superlative."
Nelson isn't mailing it in after landing his $39 million extension. The Packers' unquestioned No. 1 wideout already has seven touchdowns in team drills (compared to one for Randall Cobb) and is doing his usual thing of making difficult catches look routine. Note that in the full eight games Aaron Rodgers played last season, Nelson averaged 6.1 catches for 101.2 yards and scored seven times. He's a strong second-round fantasy pick.

Randall Cobb has "looked rather common" at Packers camp so far.
It's only been 10 practices, but ace reporter Bob McGinn says Cobb has made "almost no eye-catching plays." That's in stark comparison to newly minted Jordy Nelson, who has shown "superlative" play daily. Still, we're not going to panic over two weeks of camp when Cobb is locked in as an every-down slot receiver, is in a contract year and has gained the trust of Aaron Rodgers in regular season battles. Over the last two seasons, Cobb is averaging 5.2 catches for 66.0 yards and 0.57 touchdowns on 7.1 targets per game.

 

[John Paul]

For someone who owns Aaron Rodgers, I hope the answer is yes.

 

[Phenomena]

Jordy Nelson's play at camp so far has been "superlative."
Nelson isn't mailing it in after landing his $39 million extension. The Packers' unquestioned No. 1 wideout already has seven touchdowns in team drills (compared to one for Randall Cobb) and is doing his usual thing of making difficult catches look routine. Note that in the full eight games Aaron Rodgers played last season, Nelson averaged 6.1 catches for 101.2 yards and scored seven times. He's a strong second-round fantasy pick.

Randall Cobb has "looked rather common" at Packers camp so far.
It's only been 10 practices, but ace reporter Bob McGinn says Cobb has made "almost no eye-catching plays." That's in stark comparison to newly minted Jordy Nelson, who has shown "superlative" play daily. Still, we're not going to panic over two weeks of camp when Cobb is locked in as an every-down slot receiver, is in a contract year and has gained the trust of Aaron Rodgers in regular season battles. Over the last two seasons, Cobb is averaging 5.2 catches for 66.0 yards and 0.57 touchdowns on 7.1 targets per game.

Well, Cobb is coming off a broken leg. Maybe he's not doing cartwheels because he doesn't want to overdo it. Still a little concerning, though. I wouldn't read too much into it. If he's lackluster the first couple of games I'm selling.

 

[G5781]

Give me the guy with more TD potential. Jordy is a bigger target and has been a huge TD scorer in the past. I would like to own both but TD's are still king in fantasy and Jordy has more upside in that department.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Jordy Nelson's play at camp so far has been "superlative."
Nelson isn't mailing it in after landing his $39 million extension. The Packers' unquestioned No. 1 wideout already has seven touchdowns in team drills (compared to one for Randall Cobb) and is doing his usual thing of making difficult catches look routine. Note that in the full eight games Aaron Rodgers played last season, Nelson averaged 6.1 catches for 101.2 yards and scored seven times. He's a strong second-round fantasy pick.

Randall Cobb has "looked rather common" at Packers camp so far.
It's only been 10 practices, but ace reporter Bob McGinn says Cobb has made "almost no eye-catching plays." That's in stark comparison to newly minted Jordy Nelson, who has shown "superlative" play daily. Still, we're not going to panic over two weeks of camp when Cobb is locked in as an every-down slot receiver, is in a contract year and has gained the trust of Aaron Rodgers in regular season battles. Over the last two seasons, Cobb is averaging 5.2 catches for 66.0 yards and 0.57 touchdowns on 7.1 targets per game.

Well, Cobb is coming off a broken leg. Maybe he's not doing cartwheels because he doesn't want to overdo it. Still a little concerning, though. I wouldn't read too much into it. If he's lackluster the first couple of games I'm selling.

he looked good when he came back last season

 

[Adam Harstad]

There's a reason why signing Nelson was a bigger priority than signing Cobb, despite the age gap. That reason is that Jordy Nelson is a better/rarer receiver. I'm a big Randall Cobb fan, but I'd take Jordy over him in all formats.

 

[kutta]

I like Nelson by a very slim margin. Just think he's more likely to post double digit TDs, which could offset more catches by Cobb.

Pretty confident the Packers will grab a WR high in this draft. Both Nelson and Cobb are UFAs after this season. I expect they'll sign both, but they need to prepare for that not to be the case. They do like Boykin, but in this deep WR class, adding one for the future makes sense. I'm thinking Allen Robinson, Davante Adams or Jordan Matthews in round 2.

Very nice call