New England offense (1 Viewer)

[jude]

I am a Patriots fan so don't take this as a fishing trip. I am very concerned about this offense. Sure they are winning since Moss's departure and they had a great win against Bmore. However, it is no longer an explosive offense. I dont see this offense putting up over 30 points in more than a couple games for the rest of the year.

Let's look at the receiving corp. We rely on the following:

Welker: still building up knee strength, production down the last two games, pats offensive play is working at the line of scrimmage meaning welker now has company in the shortgame, whereas he used to be the only dude there.

Gronk & Hernandez: they are rookies and that has to count for something. they are still learning. Hernandez is going to be special but he can hardly be expected to fill Moss's void in the deep game. its just not the same. gronk is a nice red zone target, but he blocks more.

branch: just my opinion, but this guy is on the wrong end of his career. he doesnt beat coverage and i dont think he is the best route runner around. fact is, he isn;t a true #1.

edelman: has been a ghost and hurt, not sure what is even going on here

tate: still learning, rookie, great in the return game, but not a factor on offense

The running backs are even more suspect:

taylor: mia for weeks now, he's old and generally cannot be counted on for consistent production weeke to week.

law firm: not much different from maroney (styles are different, i know). he does run north/south better, but isn't a fantastic blocker - i have seen several missed assignments. he is not explosive at all.

woodhead: come on. this guy was supposed to be a 1 week pick up to learn the jets offensive schemes and now he is by and large our feature back?? color me concerned. sure he can pass catch, but this guy will likely get brady hurt and he doesnt run effectively up the middle. ( though i did see some of that today, which is scary).

basically, we have some of the worst running backs in the NFL.

The Offensive line has been solid at times but spotty in others and i have seen them exposed egainst better matchups. the return of Mankins will help, a lot.

but im still concerned.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Smoke and Mirrors

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

it's fair to be concerned, but I'd still rather be concerned and beat sd and balt than the alternative.

I'll take a photo every week if that's what it comes down to.

we've got a rough stretch coming up with gb, min, ind, pit, and nyj still ahead, so we'll see what happens.

(not to slight anybody....)

just remember that every team has concerns.

 

[Judge Smails]

You should be concerned. Average RB in the Law Firm. Welker hasn't been getting YAC. Hernandez good, and Branch will get some opportunities, but this passing offense isn't scaring anybody right now. Most dynamic weapon seems to be Woodhead.

 

[jude]

just to add a little more.....

i still think this is an 11-12 win playoff type team. that's what is so odd. I think they are one of the better teams in the AFC, but I think when they play really good teams in crunch time (playoff time) then this offense is going to be exposed for what it is. mostly just a dink and dunk offense that was good enough to beat the lesser caliber teams and an occasional good team.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

balt hadn't given up more than 17 until they met ne, although I'll admit they got pasted by buf this week, and sd had held oak to 35 earlier in the year.

 

[Routilla]

They do kind of suck right now. As a Brady owner I am a little worried.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I'm hoping I can package up Brady for Brees...at least I see the Saints rebounding. Patriots do not look good.

 

[JHuber77]

People seem to forget all the picks that NE has in the upcoming draft. They will be fine in the long run. The hoodie is no idiot.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I don't think we're talking long term. For us redraft leaguers, it's time to panic.

 

[shortbow]

I'm hoping I can package up Brady for Brees...at least I see the Saints rebounding. Patriots do not look good.

What would the Saints rebound from or to? They arent an elite team, they are a below average team with an elite QB that completely relies on a working spread that involves Bush as a safety valve.This topic is killing me, are you guys serious, really?#2 offense in the league, Brady isnt under performing like some people enjoy ####ting out of their mouths and I love moss and he will have a great year in minnesota provided favre finishes out, but the Pats are a more complete team this year than they have been in at least 3 years.Branch, Welker, Edelman, Tate, Hernandez, Gronkowski, Woodhead, Green-ellis and Morris.Ive never seen a more ridiculous spread offense, there are missmatches at almost every position almost every play.Green-Ellis is performing well above expectations and why would they drop Woodhead, why would the jets drop Woodhead? No really someone explain why the NCAA All-time All-division leading rusher shouldnt be given a shot, hes a great fit for the Pats offense.

 

[Sweetness_34]

Welker ruled in the 5 to 15 yard range. Now, with no Moss, teams will get their D closer to the LOS every snap and this will create less room for WRs like Welker. The impact is clear in the last 2 games and it will continue. If I had Welker in a dynasty league, I would try to unload him as soon as I can. Some folks might still give up a good player or high draft pick for him.

 

[Glaven]

People seem to forget all the picks that NE has in the upcoming draft. They will be fine in the long run. The hoodie is no idiot.

That's how it is every year with the Patriots though. Then once the draft comes, they're gonna trade a bunch of those picks for 2012 picks.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Offense is / will be fine.

The bigger issue this year is teams like SD carving through NE's secondary like a knife through hot butter.

Brady + Welker + Branch + TEs + Woodhead/BJGE translates to adequate even without Tate contributing much yet.

Need a better pass rush and better safety play in passing situations.

 

[switz]

This is the type of offense they ran when they won Super Bowls. It's the defense I'd worry about, if anything. But IMO the Pats will be fine.

 

[captain_amazing]

Offense is / will be fine.The bigger issue this year is teams like SD carving through NE's secondary like a knife through hot butter.Brady + Welker + Branch + TEs + Woodhead/BJGE translates to adequate even without Tate contributing much yet.Need a better pass rush and better safety play in passing situations.

They were carved up last night because they played soft zone coverage, so their were massive gaps in the middle and the check-down for SD was easy with plenty of room to run. They didn't want to give up the bomb/easy TD, which they didn't. Plus, most of the time the rushed only three in those coverages.But, that said, I do agree that my concern lies with the D and not the O. The D's secondary has been suspect (when playing more man to man) and the pass rush has not been great (when rushing more that 3). The O will be just fine. SD has a really good D. The Pats OL had trouble last night, but they still, overall, have been fantastic. The WR spread is great, TE's that catch and run-routes just as good as WR's (and 2 that can run-block well), and 2 RB's that are complimentary (the Law Firm runs very hard and NOT Maroney-like, and Woodhead is a good Kevin Faulk-type). That said, I still have some Q's about what is going on (especially where Edelman has gone).Here is my guess though: with Moss's departure, the Offensive scheme needed to change (how much? I'm not sure, but enough). I think the whole offensive is still transitioning into that new scheme. I don't think their has been an established rhythim in this altered scheme, and it showed with both Brady and his WR's. Several times yesterday, Brady threw the ball in an area the WR was near, but never went to, or Brady just threw a bad or low ball. I think Brady wasn't throwing well, but I also think the WR's were not running their routes correctly (or crisply-enough), whic also contrubted to their ineffectiveness.I think it will definitely turn around, they just need to get more comfortable with eachother's new role in the post-Moss era.

 

[ponchsox]

I'm not that concerned as a Pats fan. The Patriots are back to their pre-2007 era of spreading the ball around. They aren't going to blow many people out, but as long as they don't beat themselves they are going to finish with a very good record. I will take Brady and Belichick over the field any day. Upcoming games against Pittsburgh and the Jets will determine if this team is elite or just very good.

 

[Boston]

My concern with the Pats O isn't the talent...it's the playcalling. Even during their Super Bowl years the offensive talent wasn't overwhelming but with Charlie Weiss caling the plays you knew they would be productive. Right now I don't have that same confidence.

 

[FDC]

This is the type of offense they ran when they won Super Bowls. It's the defense I'd worry about, if anything. But IMO the Pats will be fine.

BB, as usual, is cutting new trends by getting creative with the "queen of the chess board" in modern day football... the TE.Pats might not have the huge big play ability they once had, but they have the type of offense that will win football games. Look for more 2nd halfs like the SD game, a +8 minute long scoring drive, and scoring almost every possession. And for fantasy, downgrade Brady.

 

[AngryPatriot]

My concern with the Pats O isn't the talent...it's the playcalling. Even during their Super Bowl years the offensive talent wasn't overwhelming but with Charlie Weiss caling the plays you knew they would be productive. Right now I don't have that same confidence.

This is an issue for sure. Every game there are series that leave m e scratching my head. Yesterday for example there was a series where BJGE picks up about 8-9 yards on 1st down, then a couple low percentage pass plays. Punt. If they ran it once they'd pick up the 1st. I thought Brady was inaccurate in the first half. Concerned about Tate too, he looked out of sorts and they've yet to connect deep. Edelman? Welker has to be feeling the knee because they are not using him hardly at all. I like Woodhead a lot and disagree with the original poster, this guy is a dynamic player, very hard to tackle. I think the Pats are aiming to gel and get rolling with the offense as the year goes along but I think Tate is going to still have to help Hernandez stretch the field. But I do think they'll be a force in the end. They did try a double reverse flea flicker but Branch had no separation.There's some productivity from Cunningham which is very encouraging but too many plays yesterday PR had all day to throw the ball (would've been tough with Floyd, Nannee and healthy Gates). It looks like the secondary will have their work cut out for them all year. Great play by McCourty yesterday on the pick. The D is very stout against the run. Good play from Merriweather.

 

[jude]

I'm hoping I can package up Brady for Brees...at least I see the Saints rebounding. Patriots do not look good.

What would the Saints rebound from or to? They arent an elite team, they are a below average team with an elite QB that completely relies on a working spread that involves Bush as a safety valve.This topic is killing me, are you guys serious, really?

#2 offense in the league, Brady isnt under performing like some people enjoy ####ting out of their mouths and I love moss and he will have a great year in minnesota provided favre finishes out, but the Pats are a more complete team this year than they have been in at least 3 years.

Branch, Welker, Edelman, Tate, Hernandez, Gronkowski, Woodhead, Green-ellis and Morris.

Ive never seen a more ridiculous spread offense, there are missmatches at almost every position almost every play.

Green-Ellis is performing well above expectations and why would they drop Woodhead, why would the jets drop Woodhead? No really someone explain why the NCAA All-time All-division leading rusher shouldnt be given a shot, hes a great fit for the Pats offense.

you appreantly haven't been wathcing the patriots games since Moss left. they are NOT the #2 offense since he left. Please look at the following and please tell me we are still crazy:brady TD/INT ratio

weeks 1-3: 8/2

weeks 4-6: 3/2

pass rating (average)

weeks 1-3: 112

weeks 4-6: 86.4

passing Y/A

weeks 1-3: 7.86

weeks 4-6: 5.99

total passing yards per game (average)

weeks 1-3: 252.6

weeks 4-6: 201.3

completion % (average)

weeks 1-3: 68.26%

weeks 4-6: 66.66

Again, I am not blaming this on Brady nor do I think this team is bad. I am only restating that I am worried about this offense. These numbers are very concerning.

 

[jude]

This is the type of offense they ran when they won Super Bowls. It's the defense I'd worry about, if anything. But IMO the Pats will be fine.

BB, as usual, is cutting new trends by getting creative with the "queen of the chess board" in modern day football... the TE.Pats might not have the huge big play ability they once had, but they have the type of offense that will win football games. Look for more 2nd halfs like the SD game, a +8 minute long scoring drive, and scoring almost every possession. And for fantasy, downgrade Brady.

all valid points, but we arent talking about that. We are strictly talking about this team's offense not their SB potential. I did touch on that a little bit in the initial post, but this is mostly about the lack of an explosive offense.

 

[GroveDiesel]

People seem to forget all the picks that NE has in the upcoming draft. They will be fine in the long run. The hoodie is no idiot.

I'm not really sure that BB's draft record over the last 5 years is all that impressive. It's not awful, but the only real impact players that are very good players are Hernandez and Mayo.

 

[Casting Couch]

I think the problem lies in both the OLine and DLine. Pressure, or lack there of, are major major issues, imo.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

I think the problem lies in both the OLine and DLine. Pressure, or lack there of, are major major issues, imo.

this.

 

[Spike]

I'm hoping I can package up Brady for Brees...at least I see the Saints rebounding. Patriots do not look good.

What would the Saints rebound from or to? They arent an elite team, they are a below average team with an elite QB that completely relies on a working spread that involves Bush as a safety valve.This topic is killing me, are you guys serious, really?

#2 offense in the league, Brady isnt under performing like some people enjoy ####ting out of their mouths and I love moss and he will have a great year in minnesota provided favre finishes out, but the Pats are a more complete team this year than they have been in at least 3 years.

Branch, Welker, Edelman, Tate, Hernandez, Gronkowski, Woodhead, Green-ellis and Morris.

Ive never seen a more ridiculous spread offense, there are missmatches at almost every position almost every play.

Green-Ellis is performing well above expectations and why would they drop Woodhead, why would the jets drop Woodhead? No really someone explain why the NCAA All-time All-division leading rusher shouldnt be given a shot, hes a great fit for the Pats offense.

Hey, Kool-Aid!

 

[Spike]

People seem to forget all the picks that NE has in the upcoming draft. They will be fine in the long run. The hoodie is no idiot.

I'm not really sure that BB's draft record over the last 5 years is all that impressive. It's not awful, but the only real impact players that are very good players are Hernandez and Mayo.

Not accounting for 2009 and 2010 (because we really still don't know), I'd disagree and say it's been awful.

 

[CaptainHook]

this offense will still be good in terms of nfl production

fantasywise not at all

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I'm hoping I can package up Brady for Brees...at least I see the Saints rebounding. Patriots do not look good.

What would the Saints rebound from or to? They arent an elite team, they are a below average team with an elite QB that completely relies on a working spread that involves Bush as a safety valve.This topic is killing me, are you guys serious, really?

#2 offense in the league, Brady isnt under performing like some people enjoy ####ting out of their mouths and I love moss and he will have a great year in minnesota provided favre finishes out, but the Pats are a more complete team this year than they have been in at least 3 years.

Branch, Welker, Edelman, Tate, Hernandez, Gronkowski, Woodhead, Green-ellis and Morris.

Ive never seen a more ridiculous spread offense, there are missmatches at almost every position almost every play.

Green-Ellis is performing well above expectations and why would they drop Woodhead, why would the jets drop Woodhead? No really someone explain why the NCAA All-time All-division leading rusher shouldnt be given a shot, hes a great fit for the Pats offense.

Hey, Kool-Aid!

OH YEAH!!

 

[wilked]

People seem to forget all the picks that NE has in the upcoming draft. They will be fine in the long run. The hoodie is no idiot.

I'm not really sure that BB's draft record over the last 5 years is all that impressive. It's not awful, but the only real impact players that are very good players are Hernandez and Mayo.

McCourty looking to change that real quickly

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

This is the type of offense they ran when they won Super Bowls. It's the defense I'd worry about, if anything. But IMO the Pats will be fine.

BB, as usual, is cutting new trends by getting creative with the "queen of the chess board" in modern day football... the TE.Pats might not have the huge big play ability they once had, but they have the type of offense that will win football games. Look for more 2nd halfs like the SD game, a +8 minute long scoring drive, and scoring almost every possession. And for fantasy, downgrade Brady.

Are you assuming they are still filming signals illegally? Because that was the biggest part of their offense.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

This is the type of offense they ran when they won Super Bowls. It's the defense I'd worry about, if anything. But IMO the Pats will be fine.

BB, as usual, is cutting new trends by getting creative with the "queen of the chess board" in modern day football... the TE.Pats might not have the huge big play ability they once had, but they have the type of offense that will win football games. Look for more 2nd halfs like the SD game, a +8 minute long scoring drive, and scoring almost every possession. And for fantasy, downgrade Brady.

Are you assuming they are still filming signals illegally? Because that was the biggest part of their offense.

and another perfectly good thread gets footballguysed.......

 

[meatwad1]

Fellas...relax.

This is a league where even Ryan Fitzpatrick and Kerry Collins can still tear it up from time to time.

The pats have an uber -tough schedule, that is why they are not looking quite as dynamic. Brady is a top flight qb and as long as he is playing, he is a threat to put up nice, if not awesome numbers.

 

[Adebisi]

I think the problem lies in both the OLine and DLine. Pressure, or lack there of, are major major issues, imo.

Have you seen many games this season? The O-line has played surprisingly well for the most part.

 

[shortbow]

I'm hoping I can package up Brady for Brees...at least I see the Saints rebounding. Patriots do not look good.

What would the Saints rebound from or to? They arent an elite team, they are a below average team with an elite QB that completely relies on a working spread that involves Bush as a safety valve.This topic is killing me, are you guys serious, really?

#2 offense in the league, Brady isnt under performing like some people enjoy ####ting out of their mouths and I love moss and he will have a great year in minnesota provided favre finishes out, but the Pats are a more complete team this year than they have been in at least 3 years.

Branch, Welker, Edelman, Tate, Hernandez, Gronkowski, Woodhead, Green-ellis and Morris.

Ive never seen a more ridiculous spread offense, there are missmatches at almost every position almost every play.

Green-Ellis is performing well above expectations and why would they drop Woodhead, why would the jets drop Woodhead? No really someone explain why the NCAA All-time All-division leading rusher shouldnt be given a shot, hes a great fit for the Pats offense.

you appreantly haven't been wathcing the patriots games since Moss left. they are NOT the #2 offense since he left. Please look at the following and please tell me we are still crazy:brady TD/INT ratio

weeks 1-3: 8/2

weeks 4-6: 3/2

pass rating (average)

weeks 1-3: 112

weeks 4-6: 86.4

passing Y/A

weeks 1-3: 7.86

weeks 4-6: 5.99

total passing yards per game (average)

weeks 1-3: 252.6

weeks 4-6: 201.3

completion % (average)

weeks 1-3: 68.26%

weeks 4-6: 66.66

Again, I am not blaming this on Brady nor do I think this team is bad. I am only restating that I am worried about this offense. These numbers are very concerning.

If im not mistaken and I may be, Moss had 3 catches, I realize he drew coverage but with 4 wr or 3 wr and TE+RB this is irrelevant and those numbers are almost the same numbers as brady had before 2007, hes performing exactly where he is with a better Oline he will heat up quicker and atm there is no stopping brady from getting down the field.Aside from the skill of their opponents they have also had a bye. Ravens V Pats 2010 AFC championship, I wouldnt pick a team but you can mark it.

 

[Warsteinner]

People seem to forget all the picks that NE has in the upcoming draft. They will be fine in the long run. The hoodie is no idiot.

I'm not really sure that BB's draft record over the last 5 years is all that impressive. It's not awful, but the only real impact players that are very good players are Hernandez and Mayo.

Pat Chung?

 

[Anarchy99]

People seem to forget all the picks that NE has in the upcoming draft. They will be fine in the long run. The hoodie is no idiot.

I'm not really sure that BB's draft record over the last 5 years is all that impressive. It's not awful, but the only real impact players that are very good players are Hernandez and Mayo.

For all the flack the Pats get about drafting, bad defense, bad offense, playcalling, too old, too young, too injured, etc. they have still been a winning team IN SPITE of all those issues. Since losing the SB to the Giants, here's the record of all NFL teams in the regular season . . .IND 30 8NEP 26 12PIT 26 12TEN 26 13BAL 25 14NYG 25 14ATL 25 14NOS 25 14PHI 24.5 14.5MIN 24 14NYJ 23 15SDC 23 16ARI 22 16MIA 21 17HOU 21 17DAL 21 17GBP 21 18CAR 21 17CHI 20 19DEN 18 21CIN 16.5 21.5TBB 16 22WAS 16 23SFO 16 23JAX 15 24BUF 13 25SEA 13 25OAK 13 26CLE 11 28KCC 10 28STL 6 33DET 3 35Considering that one of those years was without Brady and they have turned over a huge majority of the team in that time, that's pretty impressive.

 

[elguapo07]

People seem to forget all the picks that NE has in the upcoming draft. They will be fine in the long run. The hoodie is no idiot.

I'm not really sure that BB's draft record over the last 5 years is all that impressive. It's not awful, but the only real impact players that are very good players are Hernandez and Mayo.

I think 2009 & 2010 drafts have paid HUGE dividends.20092.2 Chung - Starting FS2.8 Brace - Rotation DL2.9 Bulter - Was starting CB but now ST and occassional dime package2. 26 Vollmer - Starting OT3.19 Tate - Starting WR & KR6. 34 Pryor - Rotation DL7.23 Edelman - Rotation WR & PR20101.27 McCourty - Starting CB2.10 Gronkowski - Starting TE2.21 Cunningham - Starting DE2.30 Spikes - Starting ILB4.15 Hernandez - Starting TE5.19 Mesko - P7.40 Deaderick - Rotation DLI think 2010, as well as 2011, will be the draft(s) that keeps the Pats as a perennial playoff team for years to come.

 

[Road Warriors]

People seem to forget all the picks that NE has in the upcoming draft. They will be fine in the long run. The hoodie is no idiot.

I'm not really sure that BB's draft record over the last 5 years is all that impressive. It's not awful, but the only real impact players that are very good players are Hernandez and Mayo.

I think 2009 & 2010 drafts have paid HUGE dividends.20092.2 Chung - Starting FS2.8 Brace - Rotation DL2.9 Bulter - Was starting CB but now ST and occassional dime package2. 26 Vollmer - Starting OT3.19 Tate - Starting WR & KR6. 34 Pryor - Rotation DL7.23 Edelman - Rotation WR & PR20101.27 McCourty - Starting CB2.10 Gronkowski - Starting TE2.21 Cunningham - Starting DE2.30 Spikes - Starting ILB4.15 Hernandez - Starting TE5.19 Mesko - P7.40 Deaderick - Rotation DLI think 2010, as well as 2011, will be the draft(s) that keeps the Pats as a perennial playoff team for years to come.

They've had some off years drafting in the '06-'08 timespan (just 3 starters from those 3 drafts), but the past 2 years have done a nice job of getting young talent on board. They've addressed the defense, especially the DBs, and I think that group will grow to be a very solid unit for the next few years. The ILB pairing of Mayo/Spikes is excellent. Next key areas to address, IMO, are OL and OLB. Light is 32, Koppen/Kaczur are 31 and Neal is 34. Vollmer is the only starter under 30 on the OL. They'll need to develop some of the other OL in the roster or pick up some new talent in the draft. OLB in this system is very tough to find, and I don't know where they go to get that. Oh, and they should probably think about a QB to develop over the next few years... Brady isn't getting any younger, either.

 

[elguapo07]

People seem to forget all the picks that NE has in the upcoming draft. They will be fine in the long run. The hoodie is no idiot.

I'm not really sure that BB's draft record over the last 5 years is all that impressive. It's not awful, but the only real impact players that are very good players are Hernandez and Mayo.

I think 2009 & 2010 drafts have paid HUGE dividends.20092.2 Chung - Starting FS2.8 Brace - Rotation DL2.9 Bulter - Was starting CB but now ST and occassional dime package2. 26 Vollmer - Starting OT3.19 Tate - Starting WR & KR6. 34 Pryor - Rotation DL7.23 Edelman - Rotation WR & PR20101.27 McCourty - Starting CB2.10 Gronkowski - Starting TE2.21 Cunningham - Starting DE2.30 Spikes - Starting ILB4.15 Hernandez - Starting TE5.19 Mesko - P7.40 Deaderick - Rotation DLI think 2010, as well as 2011, will be the draft(s) that keeps the Pats as a perennial playoff team for years to come.

They've had some off years drafting in the '06-'08 timespan (just 3 starters from those 3 drafts), but the past 2 years have done a nice job of getting young talent on board. They've addressed the defense, especially the DBs, and I think that group will grow to be a very solid unit for the next few years. The ILB pairing of Mayo/Spikes is excellent. Next key areas to address, IMO, are OL and OLB. Light is 32, Koppen/Kaczur are 31 and Neal is 34. Vollmer is the only starter under 30 on the OL. They'll need to develop some of the other OL in the roster or pick up some new talent in the draft. OLB in this system is very tough to find, and I don't know where they go to get that. Oh, and they should probably think about a QB to develop over the next few years... Brady isn't getting any younger, either.

I agree with the needs they need to address going forward and I'd also add RB. Maroney never worked out but they have 4 picks in the 1st two rounds next year and I'd like to see them try to get a workhorse RB with one of those picks as I'd think it'd add a dimension they haven't had in their offense since Corey Dillon.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Ok, Brady.

I've seen posts about Welker, Tate, Hernandez, BJGE, Woodhead.... but what about Brady.

he has put up very low numbers three weeks in a row.

He still has an awesome Week 16 matchup vs Buffalo.... but there could be weather issues (it's in BUF), that's no lock.

What are people doing, just riding Brady until he improves? Yes, the schedule has been rough, yes there has been adjustment without Moss, but how long does this last and does it end at all?

 

[shortbow]

Ok, Brady.I've seen posts about Welker, Tate, Hernandez, BJGE, Woodhead.... but what about Brady.he has put up very low numbers three weeks in a row.He still has an awesome Week 16 matchup vs Buffalo.... but there could be weather issues (it's in BUF), that's no lock.What are people doing, just riding Brady until he improves? Yes, the schedule has been rough, yes there has been adjustment without Moss, but how long does this last and does it end at all?

In the league that I have him im starting him every week, unless you have peyton manning also you start no one over brady.

 

[switz]

In the league that I have him im starting him every week, unless you have peyton manning also you start no one over brady.

I don't understand this. Outside of '07, hasn't he finished as a top-5 FF QB only once?

 

[Road Warriors]

Ok, Brady.I've seen posts about Welker, Tate, Hernandez, BJGE, Woodhead.... but what about Brady.he has put up very low numbers three weeks in a row.He still has an awesome Week 16 matchup vs Buffalo.... but there could be weather issues (it's in BUF), that's no lock.What are people doing, just riding Brady until he improves? Yes, the schedule has been rough, yes there has been adjustment without Moss, but how long does this last and does it end at all?

In the league that I have him im starting him every week, unless you have peyton manning also you start no one over brady.

That may be overstating it a bit... I'm starting 5 or 6 guys over Brady right now ( Rodgers, Rivers, Brees, Manning -- ok, maybe 4 ) I think Brady will be good down the stretch. They've faced the #8 and #1 pass D the past 2 weeks after losing the best deep threat receiver on the team. I think the Moss-less Patriots offense is a work in progress, but Brady has shown the ability to hit the open man, and they have enough options that can get open to move the ball through the air.

 

[shortbow]

In the league that I have him im starting him every week, unless you have peyton manning also you start no one over brady.

I don't understand this. Outside of '07, hasn't he finished as a top-5 FF QB only once?

Are you arguing that fantasy wise hes not a top 5 QB, or that given everything (getting to 3 superbowls) hes not a top 5 QB in the NFL.I think most people would agree that hes a contender for the #1 spot with Manning, hes more athletic but Peyton is just such a smart QB that I believe he might be the best QB ever, but in the last 8 years Brady has been the only one to even test that.Take into consideration he is in the toughest division in football, the Colts use to also be in the AFC east, for Bradys first two years in the league, until they decided the division was ridiculously over the top.Not to mention, Brady may actually be the most clutch QB ever.

 

[Firekaps]

I moved Brady. I think they are going to dink and dunk and run and screen and with weather and tough schedule mixed in I don't think he is a top 8 QB moving forward. 9-12 range. He will not have any shootout games bc the defense is good and that is what makes fantasy QBs. He also does not have the weapons for quick strike plays. He just doesn't.

Still could go 11-5 and make the SB, but FF wise I think they are done with the exception of Welker in a PPR, but even then I think he's top 20-25, not 5-10 as he has been.

 

[Road Warriors]

I moved Brady. I think they are going to dink and dunk and run and screen and with weather and tough schedule mixed in I don't think he is a top 8 QB moving forward. 9-12 range. He will not have any shootout games bc the defense is good and that is what makes fantasy QBs. He also does not have the weapons for quick strike plays. He just doesn't.

Still could go 11-5 and make the SB, but FF wise I think they are done with the exception of Welker in a PPR, but even then I think he's top 20-25, not 5-10 as he has been.

This might be the first SP post of 2010 that says this.

I like where the Pats D will end up, eventually. But they're not, at this time, good.

 

[Road Warriors]

In the league that I have him im starting him every week, unless you have peyton manning also you start no one over brady.

I don't understand this. Outside of '07, hasn't he finished as a top-5 FF QB only once?

Are you arguing that fantasy wise hes not a top 5 QB, or that given everything (getting to 3 superbowls) hes not a top 5 QB in the NFL.I think most people would agree that hes a contender for the #1 spot with Manning, hes more athletic but Peyton is just such a smart QB that I believe he might be the best QB ever, but in the last 8 years Brady has been the only one to even test that.Take into consideration he is in the toughest division in football, the Colts use to also be in the AFC east, for Bradys first two years in the league, until they decided the division was ridiculously over the top.Not to mention, Brady may actually be the most clutch QB ever.

Please, please, please... Don't start another Brady/Manning discussion. They're both great. and BTW...

hes more athletic

Can't say I've seen that description of Brady before.

 

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Ok, Brady.I've seen posts about Welker, Tate, Hernandez, BJGE, Woodhead.... but what about Brady.he has put up very low numbers three weeks in a row.He still has an awesome Week 16 matchup vs Buffalo.... but there could be weather issues (it's in BUF), that's no lock.What are people doing, just riding Brady until he improves? Yes, the schedule has been rough, yes there has been adjustment without Moss, but how long does this last and does it end at all?

In the league that I have him im starting him every week, unless you have peyton manning also you start no one over brady.

That may be overstating it a bit... I'm starting 5 or 6 guys over Brady right now ( Rodgers, Rivers, Brees, Manning -- ok, maybe 4 ) I think Brady will be good down the stretch. They've faced the #8 and #1 pass D the past 2 weeks after losing the best deep threat receiver on the team. I think the Moss-less Patriots offense is a work in progress, but Brady has shown the ability to hit the open man, and they have enough options that can get open to move the ball through the air.

Why start Rivers, Brees, Rodgers or Manning over Brady atm? Well no argument needed for Manning but honestly, why start River, Brees or Rodgers over Brady?Rivers - Hes making due with Sproles, Gates and Davis, im a huge fan of rivers and the chargers but they are in danger this year.Brees - Elite QB in a terrible team, without Bush they are crippled, without P. Thomas they are dead, falcons win NFC south this year.Rodgers - Injuries EVERYWHERE, never been clutch, accuracy is off and on, hes a great QB too early to tell if hes elite or not.Ill try, Manning - Given the teams injuries they will be successful, impossible to tell how much so though. Manning is obviously the best QB but will he do better than Brady this year? Statistically? Probably. Record? Most definitely not.

Can't say I've seen that description of Brady before.

Its hard to compare Brady and Manning, they have very similar offenses and talents, they are both more comfortable in the pocket, but outside the pocket Brady is much better. Thus the Athletic comment.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

and BTW...

hes more athletic

Can't say I've seen that description of Brady before.

bruce jenner hair.'nuff said.