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*** New England Patriot Offseason (2007) *** (1 Viewer)
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Workhorse
Footballguy
With the rumblings that the Pats are going to move to a zone-blocking scheme, I'm starting to think that one of their two first round picks in the draft will be used on a kid like Joe Staley. The move to a zone scheme would require a bit of position tweaking on the line towards quickness and technique oriented guys. Staley ran a very fast 40 time (4.81) and appears to be more athletic than any of the Pats tackles right now.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Staley seems to fit the proile for aomeone the Pats would pick in the late first if he's there. IIRC, they do seem to have most of the current OL under contract for the next few years. I've seen Staley going to the Pats in several mocks. IMO, he'd be a decent option and possibly less risky than a WR or a LB that had to be converted to a 3-4 set.
Boston
Footballguy
*I've seen this rumor a few times but I've never seen a source. When it comes to rumors and the Patriots I'm very tentative. This team stays quiet on the smallest detail and something like this is not small. *As David pointed out the whole O line is signed long term. Due to that I'm a little skeptical about them completely changing their blocking philosophy. That just seems like a dramatic change. Yet, it is the Pats and aything is possible.*O line is a definite darkhorse candidate early in the draft (the trenches always are with the Pats). The big question is at RT and tackle as a whole. Are they confident that either Kazcur or OC are long term fixtures? Also, while he's not that old Light has some mileage on him. Inside they seem pretty well set (as far as using a high pick) with Koppen, Mankins, Neal, Hochstein and Yates. Overall, I will never coimplain about any D or O lineman draft picks. Like pitching you can never have enough.
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SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Technically true, but Dillon could run on a prosthesis and still be a better back than Brown or Barlow, who, at the NFL level, have always been pooh.
Exile
Footballguy
Asante Samel update from Adam Shefter via the Boston Globe:
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr...uel_update.html
Short version: He's unhappy with the contract talks so far.
Color me COMPLETELY unsurprised by this development. I said it shortly after the Pats franchised him and I'll say it again: The Pats are still the Pats, and Samuel is still the guy who had "Get Paid" tattooed on him.
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr...uel_update.html
Short version: He's unhappy with the contract talks so far.
Color me COMPLETELY unsurprised by this development. I said it shortly after the Pats franchised him and I'll say it again: The Pats are still the Pats, and Samuel is still the guy who had "Get Paid" tattooed on him.
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bostonfred
Footballguy
This is a short enough article that we should probably paste the whole quote. It may be posturing, but posturing hasn't worked out well for Patriot players (or management) in the past. April 04, 2007
Samuel update
Cornerback Asante Samuel spoke with Adam Schefter of the NFL Network and updated the status of his contract talks with the Patriots.
“This is to let everybody know that I’m not happy anymore and things are not going well,” Samuel told Schefter. “At first I thought it was going well, but it’s not.
“We have a difference of opinion in my value. They think I’m worth one price and the other teams think I’m worth a lot more. If a long-term deal can’t be done at fair numbers for me and New England, then I want to be traded.”
Renegade of Funk
Footballguy
In his interview with the NFL Network yesterday, Samuel said his hope remains to reach a long-term deal with the Patriots."But if it doesn't get done, I'm prepared to do what's best for me and my family," he said. "It's not what I want to do, but what I have to do. They're handling their business the way they feel they have to, and I'm going to do the same."
Im kind of curious, does anyone know what has been offered to Asante thus far?
I would hate to see Samuel go, but if things dont work out in terms of agreeing on a long term deal, the Pats could try to work out a sign and trade with another team for multiple picks including a 1st round pick somewhere between the 13 and 19 pick in this years draft and grab a guy like Leon Hall, or Darrelle Revis.
nerangers
Footballguy
Was thinking the same...who are these teams that are willing to pay more for him...we need details! LOLWhen he got the Tag, I still thought there was a good chance he could be traded. If traded, I hope it is before the draft though....looks to be a good draft to fix a secondary.Renegade of Funk said:
If a team with a high pick(and more) wants him......I'm not sure how I'd feel. High 1st and 3rd or whatever is always tempting in early April as every rookie is spoken of in a light that's a bit too favorable with the draft coming up.
I agree with someone above that alluded to the notion that BB and Pioli are not very good at playing hardball with big names and contracts. Samuel's value will be less once the whole NFL truly believes the Pats can't sign him so I hope they make a decision soon-trade him for alot or give him more money. Let's not get to the ugly stage, that's where I think BB and Pioli aren't so good.
It doesn't seem like the BB coached Pats will ever have a chance at a guy like Peterson or Johnson so it'd be nice to get a high pick and think about it for a change. Then again I'm not sure if Samuel is THAT good to command that much.
I agree with someone above that alluded to the notion that BB and Pioli are not very good at playing hardball with big names and contracts. Samuel's value will be less once the whole NFL truly believes the Pats can't sign him so I hope they make a decision soon-trade him for alot or give him more money. Let's not get to the ugly stage, that's where I think BB and Pioli aren't so good.
It doesn't seem like the BB coached Pats will ever have a chance at a guy like Peterson or Johnson so it'd be nice to get a high pick and think about it for a change. Then again I'm not sure if Samuel is THAT good to command that much.
Boston
Footballguy
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
nerangers
Footballguy
I still think if you are going to trade Samuel, you do it while his value is high and before the draft. Reiss laid out five options on how this deal could go down. (Samuel Options)
BACK WHERE WE STARTED OPTION
Samuel signs the one-year, $7.79 million tender offer for franchise cornerbacks and plays for the Patriots.
The thinking: At the end of the day, it will be hard to pass up that money after Samuel made a total of about $2 million over his first four seasons.
THE HOLDOUT OPTION
Samuel holds out, with the idea of returning in Week 10 to earn an accrued season toward free agency.
The thinking: In his effort to get to unrestricted free agency, Samuel avoids the risk of injury for most of the season, while rolling the dice that the Patriots wouldn't place the franchise tag on him in 2008.
MEETING AT THE 50-YARD LINE OPTION
Samuel lowers his current contract demands, while the Patriots up their current offer and the sides reach an extension.
The thinking: In the end, both sides win, as Samuel gets more guaranteed money and the Patriots lock up a rising young player.
THE DEION BRANCH OPTION
Samuel is shipped out of town as part of a trade.
The thinking: Samuel could yield a valuable chip such a first-round draft pick, and the team that acquires him would sign him to the big contract he desires.
THE UNEXPECTED OPTION
The Patriots could play the leverage card, and remove the franchise tag, making Samuel a free agent at a time when teams have spent their big money.
The thinking: If the Patriots are convinced that Samuel would hold out and create a distraction, they could simply set him free, potentially costing him millions of dollars depending on the timing. That would also serve as a reminder for players in the same situation in future years.
FINAL ANALYSIS: In the end, our hunch is that Samuel will sign the one-year tender and play for the Patriots. The deadline for an extension is July 15.
BACK WHERE WE STARTED OPTION
Samuel signs the one-year, $7.79 million tender offer for franchise cornerbacks and plays for the Patriots.
The thinking: At the end of the day, it will be hard to pass up that money after Samuel made a total of about $2 million over his first four seasons.
THE HOLDOUT OPTION
Samuel holds out, with the idea of returning in Week 10 to earn an accrued season toward free agency.
The thinking: In his effort to get to unrestricted free agency, Samuel avoids the risk of injury for most of the season, while rolling the dice that the Patriots wouldn't place the franchise tag on him in 2008.
MEETING AT THE 50-YARD LINE OPTION
Samuel lowers his current contract demands, while the Patriots up their current offer and the sides reach an extension.
The thinking: In the end, both sides win, as Samuel gets more guaranteed money and the Patriots lock up a rising young player.
THE DEION BRANCH OPTION
Samuel is shipped out of town as part of a trade.
The thinking: Samuel could yield a valuable chip such a first-round draft pick, and the team that acquires him would sign him to the big contract he desires.
THE UNEXPECTED OPTION
The Patriots could play the leverage card, and remove the franchise tag, making Samuel a free agent at a time when teams have spent their big money.
The thinking: If the Patriots are convinced that Samuel would hold out and create a distraction, they could simply set him free, potentially costing him millions of dollars depending on the timing. That would also serve as a reminder for players in the same situation in future years.
FINAL ANALYSIS: In the end, our hunch is that Samuel will sign the one-year tender and play for the Patriots. The deadline for an extension is July 15.
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Yep, out 2 years I think
Exile
Footballguy
There is no way that last "option" happens. The trade option will always be there if Samuel becomes too much of a distraction.I do agree with the writer that Samuel signing the tender and playing for a year is the most likely option. I also expect the Patriots to draft his eventual replacement on the first day of the draft.nerangers said:
Boston
Footballguy
A little guessing on who the Pats will draft from Patriots.com. This would be a nice haul if it were possible.
http://www.patriots.com/news/index.cfm?ac=...775&pcid=46
4/6/07
Patriots Mock Draft Version 2 Tom Casale, Patriots Football Weekly
With the NFL Draft just three weeks away, PFW has put out its second Patriots mock draft. As always, we took into consideration team needs and players we think would be a good fit with the Patriots. We'll have one more Patriots mock the week before the draft but this is our guess on how things will turn out as of now. Enjoy.
Round 1A
Jon Beason, LB Miami (6-0, 237) – When we came back from the Combine and did our first mock draft, we had the Patriots selecting Beason with the 24th pick in the draft. That set off a floodgate of e-mails asking if we had lost our minds. One e-mailer even declared that Beason wouldn’t be drafted on the first day. Well, Beason isn’t only going to be picked on the first day, he may not even be on the board when the Patriots select.
At the Combine we heard the Patriots had a lot of interest in Beason and since then, they’ve done nothing to make us think otherwise. New England worked Beason out down in Miami and he’s scheduled to visit Gillette Stadium this month. Add all this up and Beason is a definite possibility to become a Patriot on draft day.
On the surface, Beason looks like a Tampa 2 outside linebacker but that’s not necessarily the case. He has the toughness and physical ability to move inside and play the MIKE in a 3-4 scheme. That would give the Patriots the luxury of grooming Beason behind Tedy Bruschi and using him on passing downs as a rookie because of his good coverage abilities. Beason is also a big hitter and solid special teams player. He would have an instant impact on the Patriots defense and add some much needed youth and athleticism to an ageing position.
Cornerback is also a possibility here, especially if things don’t improve between the Patriots and Asante Samuel.
Round 1B
Michael Griffin, S Texas (5-11, 202) – This is a close call between Griffin and Brandon Meriweather but I’m giving a slight edge to Griffin because of his physical play around the line of scrimmage. Right now Griffin is the better overall player between the two in my opinion, but it’s not by much.
Griffin is one of those safeties that can do it all. He has the speed to cover the deep middle of the field and he’s a big hitter. Griffin does a good job of separating receivers from the ball and is a force against the run.
Another reason to like Griffin is that he’s a special teams demon. He plays on punt coverage and has a knack for blocking kicks. Like Rodney Harrison, Griffin may not be the biggest guy in the world but he punishes people and plays with a real chip on his shoulder. He would be a great addition to the Patriots defense and could take over Harrison’s role as the enforcer in the secondary once the veteran retires.
Round 3
Daymeion Hughes, Cal (5-10, 190) – Hughes was once considered to be a possible first round selection but that went out the window after he ran poorly at the Combine. Here’s the thing about Hughes. He’s not blazing fast but his football speed is better than his timed speed. Plus, he’s extremely intelligent and has some of the best instincts of any corner in this draft. Hughes really has a good grasp of the receivers he plays against and what kind of routes they like to run. That allows him to break on the ball and make a lot of plays, despite his lack of speed. Watching him on tape, many times Hughes would beat the receiver he was covering to the ball because he knew where the pass was going before the intended target did.
These are the kinds of players the Patriots usually hit big with in the middle rounds. Hughes is a smart guy who can come right in and contribute to an NFL team. He may not ever be a premier corner but he has the ability to be a steady No. 2. While a lot of guys are track stars in shoulder pads, Hughes is a football player who understands the game. Getting a player like Hughes – who had 13 interceptions in his last two years at Cal – in the third round is good value and would help add some depth at cornerback for the Patriots.
Round 4
Zak DeOssie, OLB Brown (6-4, 250) – If the draft unfolded exactly like this (And I can guarantee it won’t) Patriots fans should be ecstatic. Getting DeOssie here means New England would have added depth to four different positions on defense with players who can come in and contribute as rookies.
DeOssie has good size and speed and he did exactly what a player of his caliber at Brown should do: dominate. He finished his career with 308 tackles 36.5 tackles for a loss, 10.5 sacks and four interceptions, while playing both inside and outside linebacker.
After graduating from Brown and having a father in the NFL, no one is going to question DeOssie’s intelligence on the field. He needs to get better at beating blockers and covering quicker tight ends but DeOssie has all the intangibles the Patriots seek in a player. DeOssie should have a solid NFL career once he gets adjusted to the speed of the pro game. In New England, he could learn behind some great linebackers and be groomed to become a starter in two or three years, while being used on special teams and as a situational pass rusher until then.
Round 5
Darius Walker, RB Notre Dame (5-10, 206) – After solidifying the defense with its first four picks, New England can now look to fill some holes on the offensive side of the ball. The Patriots will probably want to add another young running back into the mix but the problem is this class of runners isn’t very deep. After you get by Tony Hunt and Lorenzo Booker – two backs that could be selected in the second round – it’s slim pickings at running back.
Walker probably won’t be an every-down back in the NFL but he’s a guy who does a lot of things well. Walker is a solid blocker, effective on draw plays and one of the best receiving backs in this class. Actually, when you watch him he almost looks like a younger version of Kevin Faulk.
If the Patriots don’t go after one of the few highly rated backs early on in the draft, Walker is a definite mid-round possibility because of his versatility, intelligence and work ethic.
Round 6A
Desmond Bishop, ILB Cal (6-1, 239) - Bishop is one of the better run-stuffing linebackers in the draft. He’s not blazing fast and won’t wow anyone running the 40, but when you see him on the field he just makes plays. Bishop led the Pac-10 with 124 tackles last year, so he’s proven to be a force against the run.
Bishop is that big, physical linebacker the Patriots haven’t had since Ted Johnson retired. He’s very productive playing in the box and Bishop has the size to take on bigger offensive linemen. He played some 3-4 at Cal but still needs to improve in coverage. At the Combine he said his favorite thing to do is take on big guards and throw them off to the side before making a tackle. Sounds like the kind of linebacker that would be a good fit in the Patriots scheme.
Round 6B
Chris Denman, OT Fresno State (6-6, 315) – Denman is the kind of late-round project the Patriots coaching staff loves to get its hands on. He began his college career at Fresno State as a defensive end. Since then, Denman has gained over 100 pounds. He’s a big, physical tackle who excels in the run game.
Because he’s such a mauler, some people believe Denman will play guard at the pro level.
Denman is a raw prospect with upside and that’s something teams look for in the later rounds of the draft. Because he isn’t very quick, Denman may be better suited at guard in the Patriots system but he has the ability and upside to be a valuable reserve if the right coach (Dante Scarnecchia) gets a hold of him.
Round 6C
C.J. Wilson, CB Baylor (6-1, 196) – Wilson is a guy who really stood out to us when we watched all the defensive backs. He’s a versatile player who can line up at both safety and corner in the NFL. Wilson was a real playmaker Baylor and showed good ball skills on tape. Bill Belichick has selected a lot of players from Baylor during his coaching career. Wilson is a guy who can come in and play special teams, while adding more depth at defensive back. At this point in the draft a team is looking for a playmaker with some upside, and I think Wilson possesses both of those qualities.
Round 6D
Ryne Robinson, WR Miami (5-9, 180) – Robinson is a late-round receiver I really like. He’s coming into the draft under the radar but Robinson was very productive in college and has impressive physical skills. As a junior, Robinson caught 75 passes for 1,119 yards and eight touchdowns. He had an even better senior season, finishing with 91 receptions for 1,178 yards and eight scores. He finished his career at Miami, Ohio averaging 14.3 yards per catch.
On tape, Robinson showed he’s fearless going over the middle and racked up a lot of yards after the catch. He has great hands and is also a crisp route runner. He’s not very big but Robinson is a tough guy who breaks a lot of tackles for his size. He’s a dangerous deep threat, although he turned a lot of short receptions into long gains as well. Robinson is also an explosive kick returner because he gets upfield quickly. In my opinion, Robinson is a big-time sleeper and would be a great selection by the Patriots in the later rounds of the draft.
Round 7
Jeff Rowe, QB Nevada (6-5, 226) – I think with four sixth round selections and a seventh, the Patriots will pick a young quarterback in this draft. Who that quarterback will be I have no idea, but Rowe is a nice player that could still be on the board in Round 7.
Rowe was the MVP of the East-West Shrine Game and was productive as Nevada’s starting quarterback over the last three years. In his last two seasons, Rowe connected on 63 percent of his passes, while throwing 38 touchdowns and 18 interceptions in Nevada’s “Pistol” offense.
Rowe has a long way to go before he’s ready to step on the field in the NFL but he’s accurate, throws a nice ball and moves around well in the pocket. If the Patriots decide to go with a quarterback late in the draft, Rowe – along with Central Missouri State’s Toby Korrodi and Idaho State’s Matt Gutierrez – could be possible targets.
Note: PFW will be doing a draft blog, starting a few days before the draft kicks off. We’ll be posting our thoughts on everything draft related, including all the bad picks made by the Detroit Lions. Fans are welcome to participate by posting their opinions as well. The blog will be updated non-stop during the draft, so be sure to check it out. A link to the blog will be on Patriots.com, so everyone will be able to access it easily.
http://www.patriots.com/news/index.cfm?ac=...775&pcid=46
4/6/07
Patriots Mock Draft Version 2 Tom Casale, Patriots Football Weekly
With the NFL Draft just three weeks away, PFW has put out its second Patriots mock draft. As always, we took into consideration team needs and players we think would be a good fit with the Patriots. We'll have one more Patriots mock the week before the draft but this is our guess on how things will turn out as of now. Enjoy.
Round 1A
Jon Beason, LB Miami (6-0, 237) – When we came back from the Combine and did our first mock draft, we had the Patriots selecting Beason with the 24th pick in the draft. That set off a floodgate of e-mails asking if we had lost our minds. One e-mailer even declared that Beason wouldn’t be drafted on the first day. Well, Beason isn’t only going to be picked on the first day, he may not even be on the board when the Patriots select.
At the Combine we heard the Patriots had a lot of interest in Beason and since then, they’ve done nothing to make us think otherwise. New England worked Beason out down in Miami and he’s scheduled to visit Gillette Stadium this month. Add all this up and Beason is a definite possibility to become a Patriot on draft day.
On the surface, Beason looks like a Tampa 2 outside linebacker but that’s not necessarily the case. He has the toughness and physical ability to move inside and play the MIKE in a 3-4 scheme. That would give the Patriots the luxury of grooming Beason behind Tedy Bruschi and using him on passing downs as a rookie because of his good coverage abilities. Beason is also a big hitter and solid special teams player. He would have an instant impact on the Patriots defense and add some much needed youth and athleticism to an ageing position.
Cornerback is also a possibility here, especially if things don’t improve between the Patriots and Asante Samuel.
Round 1B
Michael Griffin, S Texas (5-11, 202) – This is a close call between Griffin and Brandon Meriweather but I’m giving a slight edge to Griffin because of his physical play around the line of scrimmage. Right now Griffin is the better overall player between the two in my opinion, but it’s not by much.
Griffin is one of those safeties that can do it all. He has the speed to cover the deep middle of the field and he’s a big hitter. Griffin does a good job of separating receivers from the ball and is a force against the run.
Another reason to like Griffin is that he’s a special teams demon. He plays on punt coverage and has a knack for blocking kicks. Like Rodney Harrison, Griffin may not be the biggest guy in the world but he punishes people and plays with a real chip on his shoulder. He would be a great addition to the Patriots defense and could take over Harrison’s role as the enforcer in the secondary once the veteran retires.
Round 3
Daymeion Hughes, Cal (5-10, 190) – Hughes was once considered to be a possible first round selection but that went out the window after he ran poorly at the Combine. Here’s the thing about Hughes. He’s not blazing fast but his football speed is better than his timed speed. Plus, he’s extremely intelligent and has some of the best instincts of any corner in this draft. Hughes really has a good grasp of the receivers he plays against and what kind of routes they like to run. That allows him to break on the ball and make a lot of plays, despite his lack of speed. Watching him on tape, many times Hughes would beat the receiver he was covering to the ball because he knew where the pass was going before the intended target did.
These are the kinds of players the Patriots usually hit big with in the middle rounds. Hughes is a smart guy who can come right in and contribute to an NFL team. He may not ever be a premier corner but he has the ability to be a steady No. 2. While a lot of guys are track stars in shoulder pads, Hughes is a football player who understands the game. Getting a player like Hughes – who had 13 interceptions in his last two years at Cal – in the third round is good value and would help add some depth at cornerback for the Patriots.
Round 4
Zak DeOssie, OLB Brown (6-4, 250) – If the draft unfolded exactly like this (And I can guarantee it won’t) Patriots fans should be ecstatic. Getting DeOssie here means New England would have added depth to four different positions on defense with players who can come in and contribute as rookies.
DeOssie has good size and speed and he did exactly what a player of his caliber at Brown should do: dominate. He finished his career with 308 tackles 36.5 tackles for a loss, 10.5 sacks and four interceptions, while playing both inside and outside linebacker.
After graduating from Brown and having a father in the NFL, no one is going to question DeOssie’s intelligence on the field. He needs to get better at beating blockers and covering quicker tight ends but DeOssie has all the intangibles the Patriots seek in a player. DeOssie should have a solid NFL career once he gets adjusted to the speed of the pro game. In New England, he could learn behind some great linebackers and be groomed to become a starter in two or three years, while being used on special teams and as a situational pass rusher until then.
Round 5
Darius Walker, RB Notre Dame (5-10, 206) – After solidifying the defense with its first four picks, New England can now look to fill some holes on the offensive side of the ball. The Patriots will probably want to add another young running back into the mix but the problem is this class of runners isn’t very deep. After you get by Tony Hunt and Lorenzo Booker – two backs that could be selected in the second round – it’s slim pickings at running back.
Walker probably won’t be an every-down back in the NFL but he’s a guy who does a lot of things well. Walker is a solid blocker, effective on draw plays and one of the best receiving backs in this class. Actually, when you watch him he almost looks like a younger version of Kevin Faulk.
If the Patriots don’t go after one of the few highly rated backs early on in the draft, Walker is a definite mid-round possibility because of his versatility, intelligence and work ethic.
Round 6A
Desmond Bishop, ILB Cal (6-1, 239) - Bishop is one of the better run-stuffing linebackers in the draft. He’s not blazing fast and won’t wow anyone running the 40, but when you see him on the field he just makes plays. Bishop led the Pac-10 with 124 tackles last year, so he’s proven to be a force against the run.
Bishop is that big, physical linebacker the Patriots haven’t had since Ted Johnson retired. He’s very productive playing in the box and Bishop has the size to take on bigger offensive linemen. He played some 3-4 at Cal but still needs to improve in coverage. At the Combine he said his favorite thing to do is take on big guards and throw them off to the side before making a tackle. Sounds like the kind of linebacker that would be a good fit in the Patriots scheme.
Round 6B
Chris Denman, OT Fresno State (6-6, 315) – Denman is the kind of late-round project the Patriots coaching staff loves to get its hands on. He began his college career at Fresno State as a defensive end. Since then, Denman has gained over 100 pounds. He’s a big, physical tackle who excels in the run game.
Because he’s such a mauler, some people believe Denman will play guard at the pro level.
Denman is a raw prospect with upside and that’s something teams look for in the later rounds of the draft. Because he isn’t very quick, Denman may be better suited at guard in the Patriots system but he has the ability and upside to be a valuable reserve if the right coach (Dante Scarnecchia) gets a hold of him.
Round 6C
C.J. Wilson, CB Baylor (6-1, 196) – Wilson is a guy who really stood out to us when we watched all the defensive backs. He’s a versatile player who can line up at both safety and corner in the NFL. Wilson was a real playmaker Baylor and showed good ball skills on tape. Bill Belichick has selected a lot of players from Baylor during his coaching career. Wilson is a guy who can come in and play special teams, while adding more depth at defensive back. At this point in the draft a team is looking for a playmaker with some upside, and I think Wilson possesses both of those qualities.
Round 6D
Ryne Robinson, WR Miami (5-9, 180) – Robinson is a late-round receiver I really like. He’s coming into the draft under the radar but Robinson was very productive in college and has impressive physical skills. As a junior, Robinson caught 75 passes for 1,119 yards and eight touchdowns. He had an even better senior season, finishing with 91 receptions for 1,178 yards and eight scores. He finished his career at Miami, Ohio averaging 14.3 yards per catch.
On tape, Robinson showed he’s fearless going over the middle and racked up a lot of yards after the catch. He has great hands and is also a crisp route runner. He’s not very big but Robinson is a tough guy who breaks a lot of tackles for his size. He’s a dangerous deep threat, although he turned a lot of short receptions into long gains as well. Robinson is also an explosive kick returner because he gets upfield quickly. In my opinion, Robinson is a big-time sleeper and would be a great selection by the Patriots in the later rounds of the draft.
Round 7
Jeff Rowe, QB Nevada (6-5, 226) – I think with four sixth round selections and a seventh, the Patriots will pick a young quarterback in this draft. Who that quarterback will be I have no idea, but Rowe is a nice player that could still be on the board in Round 7.
Rowe was the MVP of the East-West Shrine Game and was productive as Nevada’s starting quarterback over the last three years. In his last two seasons, Rowe connected on 63 percent of his passes, while throwing 38 touchdowns and 18 interceptions in Nevada’s “Pistol” offense.
Rowe has a long way to go before he’s ready to step on the field in the NFL but he’s accurate, throws a nice ball and moves around well in the pocket. If the Patriots decide to go with a quarterback late in the draft, Rowe – along with Central Missouri State’s Toby Korrodi and Idaho State’s Matt Gutierrez – could be possible targets.
Note: PFW will be doing a draft blog, starting a few days before the draft kicks off. We’ll be posting our thoughts on everything draft related, including all the bad picks made by the Detroit Lions. Fans are welcome to participate by posting their opinions as well. The blog will be updated non-stop during the draft, so be sure to check it out. A link to the blog will be on Patriots.com, so everyone will be able to access it easily.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
There are players I would rather have than Jon Beason at #24 (Chris Houston or Darrelle Revis) but if they could get Hughes in the 3rd round, I would be ok with Beason at #24. The rest of the draft looks great and is at least reasonable. Although Deossie seems to be moving up and could be a 3rd rounder or high 4th rounder.
I don't think it's 6. Was he in camp with some team? play in CFL and they're using the term "out of football"? I've heard 2 or 3 a number of times
Exile
Footballguy
I don't know if he was in camp or in the CFL. I was just going by his player pages at various sites (ESPN, CNN/SI, etc...) that listed his last season as 2000 as well as articles like this:http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6613016...13162&ATT=5
Either way, he's a long shot.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
Ahead of Patrick Willis? That is insanity.Fortunately for the Pats there are only a few teams looking for ILB. Three of those are at #11, #12 and #14(San Fran, Buffalo and Carolina). If Beason is rising as you say, Carolina could be a possibility but I still think that is too high.San Fran has a lot of needs. Buffalo also needs a RB and Carolina is looking at TE and secondary help.There is a lot of information out there about who is rising and who is falling but I think that is simply boredom on some peoples' part.
And that would be wonderful news if that makes Patrick fall to the Pats then...wow would that be a lucky break
nerangers
Footballguy
Here are the linebackers that have been going in the first round in most mocks I have seen. Willis has always been the first one taken, with Beason being second lately. ILB# Name College Height Weight 40-Time 1. Patrick Willis Ole Miss 6-11/8 242 4.50 2. David Harris Michigan 6-21/4 243 4.57 OLB# Name College Height Weight 40-Time 1. Paul Posluszny Penn St. 6-15/8 238 4.65 2. Lawrence Timmons Florida St. 6-07/8 234 4.59 3. Jon Beason Miami (FL) 6-01/4 237 4.72 I still don't think the Pats will go LB in the first round, but maybe trade one of those picks and get the LB later. It doesn't mean they wont, but when you look at the CB and S that are going in the first round, and the Samuel situation, it is hard not to think they would address the secondary first, and maybe with both picks.CB# Name College Height Weight 40-Time 1. Leon Hall Michigan 5-111/4 193 4.39 2. Darrelle Revis Pittsburgh 5-111/2 204 4.40 3. Chris Houston Arkansas 5-97/8 185 4.32 4. Marcus McCauley Fresno St. 6-03/4 203 4.39 5. Aaron Ross Texas 6-01/2 193 4.50 S# Name College Height Weight 40-Time 1. LaRon Landry L.S.U. 6-01/2 213 4.35 2. Michael Griffin Texas 5-113/4 202 4.45 3. Reggie Nelson Florida 5-113/8 198 4.48 4. Brandon Meriweather Miami (FL) 5-105/8 195 4.47 5. Eric Weddle Utah 5-111/4 203 4.48
The Giants at #20 are the team that concerns me the most. They are absolutely desperate for lb'ers. Beason probably won't go in the top 15 so barring Carolina or someone trading back I like the chances of seeing Beason at #24 provided the G-Men or possibly Dallas don't grab him. Willis isn't an option barring a move way up which we know isn't likely.Pat Patriot said:
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Not positive, but isn't this a second visit by Hughes? I thought the Patriots had met with him prior. Hughes has been listed as going in the third round, so are the Pats looking to get a late second to early third rounder to nab him? If they are targeting Hughes, then my thoughts of them going after a CB with the 24th pick are starting to change.
Patriots | Hughes to visit
Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:10:10 -0700
Albert Breer, of the Boston Herald, reports the New England Patriots will meet with University of California CB Daymeion Hughes April 10 at Gillette Stadium.
Daymeion Hughes
Height: 5-101/8 | Weight: 190 | 40-Time: 4.65
Strengths:
A very good natural athlete...Has pretty good size...Is very instinctive...Playmaker with excellent ball skills...His hips are smooth and fluid...Very productive and came away with a lot of interceptions during his career...Is physical and will support the run...Experienced and a hard worker with good intangibles...A special teams ace.
Weaknesses:
Does not have great timed speed, quickness or a burst to recover...Will take too many chances...Is susceptible to being fooled and will get burnt...He needs to get stronger...Might be limited in terms of the type of scheme he will be able to play in at the next level...Inconsistent and a liability on vertical routes in deep coverage.
Notes:
Nickname is "Dante"...Had a big senior campaign and ranked among the nations leaders in interceptions...Would probably fit best in a Cover 2 or zone coverage scheme...Is somewhat overrated and really not as good as his reputation would indicate...Where he's ultimately drafted will depend on how he runs in workouts.
Patriots | Hughes to visit
Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:10:10 -0700
Albert Breer, of the Boston Herald, reports the New England Patriots will meet with University of California CB Daymeion Hughes April 10 at Gillette Stadium.
Daymeion Hughes
Height: 5-101/8 | Weight: 190 | 40-Time: 4.65
Strengths:
A very good natural athlete...Has pretty good size...Is very instinctive...Playmaker with excellent ball skills...His hips are smooth and fluid...Very productive and came away with a lot of interceptions during his career...Is physical and will support the run...Experienced and a hard worker with good intangibles...A special teams ace.
Weaknesses:
Does not have great timed speed, quickness or a burst to recover...Will take too many chances...Is susceptible to being fooled and will get burnt...He needs to get stronger...Might be limited in terms of the type of scheme he will be able to play in at the next level...Inconsistent and a liability on vertical routes in deep coverage.
Notes:
Nickname is "Dante"...Had a big senior campaign and ranked among the nations leaders in interceptions...Would probably fit best in a Cover 2 or zone coverage scheme...Is somewhat overrated and really not as good as his reputation would indicate...Where he's ultimately drafted will depend on how he runs in workouts.
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I was hoping for S Michael Griffin at #24, but this could work out nicely too! 
Patriots | Team talks trade with Redskins
Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:54:32 -0700
Albert Breer, of the Boston Herald, reports the New England Patriots have been rumored to have been talking about a trade with the Washington Redskins, which would ship the Patriots 28th pick and CB Asante Samuel to the Redskins for the sixth overall pick. This would allow the Patriots to draft Louisiana State S LaRon Landry, an impact player who would be ready to start on the season opener.
Patriots | Samuel wants a deal on par with top cornerbacks
Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:43:11 -0700
Albert Breer, of the Boston Herald, reports New England Patriots CB Asante Samuel want a long-term deal similar to San Francisco 49ers CB Nate Clements' deal, which was worth $80 million over eight years with a $22 million guarantee. He might be willing to come in under that, but he wants more than the $16 million guaranteed that Denver Broncos CB Dre' Bly received, since he is the No. 2 cornerback and is almost four years Samuel's senior.
Patriots | Team talks trade with Redskins
Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:54:32 -0700
Albert Breer, of the Boston Herald, reports the New England Patriots have been rumored to have been talking about a trade with the Washington Redskins, which would ship the Patriots 28th pick and CB Asante Samuel to the Redskins for the sixth overall pick. This would allow the Patriots to draft Louisiana State S LaRon Landry, an impact player who would be ready to start on the season opener.
Patriots | Samuel wants a deal on par with top cornerbacks
Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:43:11 -0700
Albert Breer, of the Boston Herald, reports New England Patriots CB Asante Samuel want a long-term deal similar to San Francisco 49ers CB Nate Clements' deal, which was worth $80 million over eight years with a $22 million guarantee. He might be willing to come in under that, but he wants more than the $16 million guaranteed that Denver Broncos CB Dre' Bly received, since he is the No. 2 cornerback and is almost four years Samuel's senior.
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Yeah, I've been hearing this rumor for a couple days and I find myself seriously hoping it happens. Landry has been my #1 "dream" player since I started looking at this draft. I'm also not convinced that Samuel is a true "elite" CB despite the stretch of great play he had over the second half of last season plus playoffs. Since he seems pretty set on being paid like one, I'm ok with moving him for the right package. In the rumored deal, we'd still have the #24 pick which seems like a prime spot in this draft to take a CB to be Samuel's replacement.I was hoping for S Michael Griffin at #24, but this could work out nicely too!Patriots | Team talks trade with RedskinsSun, 8 Apr 2007 11:54:32 -0700Albert Breer, of the Boston Herald, reports the New England Patriots have been rumored to have been talking about a trade with the Washington Redskins, which would ship the Patriots 28th pick and CB Asante Samuel to the Redskins for the sixth overall pick. This would allow the Patriots to draft Louisiana State S LaRon Landry, an impact player who would be ready to start on the season opener. Patriots | Samuel wants a deal on par with top cornerbacksSun, 8 Apr 2007 11:43:11 -0700Albert Breer, of the Boston Herald, reports New England Patriots CB Asante Samuel want a long-term deal similar to San Francisco 49ers CB Nate Clements' deal, which was worth $80 million over eight years with a $22 million guarantee. He might be willing to come in under that, but he wants more than the $16 million guaranteed that Denver Broncos CB Dre' Bly received, since he is the No. 2 cornerback and is almost four years Samuel's senior.
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Footballguy
Looks like Sauerbrun will be the Pats kicker this year. I thought I had read that the $1.42 million number was incorrect and that is was just the $820K that was to be paid. But I'm not sure.Either way, I'm glad Sauerbrun is back because he kicked the crap out of the ball after he got settled in mid-season.
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Agreed that this is a surprise. The Pats gave Miller a $100,000 bonus which made it appear he was their man. Maybe they'll try to wheel Sauerbraun to Denver for a low draft pick.
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Here's a some interesting news. I don't think bringing in a veteran CB regardless of who it is is a surprise. As for Gay if the Pats can get a #2 for him I'd be shocked if he's not a goner.
*Pats looking at Tory James:
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/
April 09, 2007
James on radar
Adam Schefter of the NFL Network reported tonight that the Patriots have had talks with free-agent cornerback Tory James.
James's agent, Mark Bartelstein, confirmed those talks.
"The Patriots are obviously a terrific organization and we've had conversations," Bartelstein said. "There are a number of teams that we've talked to, and we hope to get something done this week."
Jones, who turns 34 next month, has played the last four seasons with the Bengals. Of his 11 seasons in the NFL, James has played all 16 games of a season in nine of those years.
He has 39 career interceptions, with 21 coming over the last four seasons.
Also The Jets are talking with Randall Gay:
Cornerback Gay to visit Jets
By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff | April 9, 2007
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr..._to_visit_jets/
The New York Jets are scheduled to host Patriots cornerback Randall Gay on a free agent visit that starts tonight and extends through tomorrow.
Breaking News Alerts Gay, who has played three NFL seasons and is a restricted free agent, has been participating in the Patriots' offseason program. He was tendered a one-year, $1.3 million contract this offseason but has yet to sign the tender, making him free to visit other teams.
If a team signs Gay to an offer sheet, the Patriots would be compensated with a second-round draft choice if they don't match. If New England matched the offer sheet, it would retain Gay and assume that contract.
The Jets have two second-round draft choices, their own (59th overall) and the Bears' (63d), both of which are late in the round. The Patriots do not have a second-round pick; it was traded to the Dolphins as part of the deal for receiver Wes Welker last month.
The Jets' visit with Gay comes on the heels of cornerback Asante Samuel publicly expressing his displeasure with his contract negotiations with the Patriots. If Samuel were to hold out, a player like Gay -- who started 12 games in the team's 2004 Super Bowl season -- would be a candidate to replace him.
While it's possible the visit with the 5-foot-11-inch, 190-pound Gay has some gamesmanship to it -- the Jets looking to put a scare into their AFC East rivals -- New York coach Eric Mangini does have a background with Gay, having served as his position coach in 2004. Gay was one of the Patriots' top surprises that season, making the club as a rookie free agent out of Louisiana State and helping fill the void when cornerback Ty Law suffered a season-ending injury.
Gay, who turns 25 next month, has been limited to eight games over the last two seasons because of ankle (2005) and hamstring (2006) injuries.
Not including Samuel and Gay -- who have not signed their tenders -- the Patriots have Ellis Hobbs and Chad Scott as their top cornerbacks under contract. The team is likely to bolster the position in this month's draft.
*Pats looking at Tory James:
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/
April 09, 2007
James on radar
Adam Schefter of the NFL Network reported tonight that the Patriots have had talks with free-agent cornerback Tory James.
James's agent, Mark Bartelstein, confirmed those talks.
"The Patriots are obviously a terrific organization and we've had conversations," Bartelstein said. "There are a number of teams that we've talked to, and we hope to get something done this week."
Jones, who turns 34 next month, has played the last four seasons with the Bengals. Of his 11 seasons in the NFL, James has played all 16 games of a season in nine of those years.
He has 39 career interceptions, with 21 coming over the last four seasons.
Also The Jets are talking with Randall Gay:
Cornerback Gay to visit Jets
By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff | April 9, 2007
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr..._to_visit_jets/
The New York Jets are scheduled to host Patriots cornerback Randall Gay on a free agent visit that starts tonight and extends through tomorrow.
Breaking News Alerts Gay, who has played three NFL seasons and is a restricted free agent, has been participating in the Patriots' offseason program. He was tendered a one-year, $1.3 million contract this offseason but has yet to sign the tender, making him free to visit other teams.
If a team signs Gay to an offer sheet, the Patriots would be compensated with a second-round draft choice if they don't match. If New England matched the offer sheet, it would retain Gay and assume that contract.
The Jets have two second-round draft choices, their own (59th overall) and the Bears' (63d), both of which are late in the round. The Patriots do not have a second-round pick; it was traded to the Dolphins as part of the deal for receiver Wes Welker last month.
The Jets' visit with Gay comes on the heels of cornerback Asante Samuel publicly expressing his displeasure with his contract negotiations with the Patriots. If Samuel were to hold out, a player like Gay -- who started 12 games in the team's 2004 Super Bowl season -- would be a candidate to replace him.
While it's possible the visit with the 5-foot-11-inch, 190-pound Gay has some gamesmanship to it -- the Jets looking to put a scare into their AFC East rivals -- New York coach Eric Mangini does have a background with Gay, having served as his position coach in 2004. Gay was one of the Patriots' top surprises that season, making the club as a rookie free agent out of Louisiana State and helping fill the void when cornerback Ty Law suffered a season-ending injury.
Gay, who turns 25 next month, has been limited to eight games over the last two seasons because of ankle (2005) and hamstring (2006) injuries.
Not including Samuel and Gay -- who have not signed their tenders -- the Patriots have Ellis Hobbs and Chad Scott as their top cornerbacks under contract. The team is likely to bolster the position in this month's draft.
What is the difference between the #28 and #6 spots according to the draft points system? Samuel is worth at least a top 20 ish first round pick so we'd be giving up a #20 something ? value and #28 for Landry? Seems pretty steep to me. I'd rather move down from #6 and grab Willis and recoup a #2 if we did make the deal.
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Footballguy
The difference is 940 points or roughly equivalent to the #17 pick.
That may be difficult.
I'm more excited about getting a wnd for Gay than getting James. James is weak. I like Gay, he just get's hurt, a lot. Getting a 2nd for an undrafted guy 3 years ago, that's a productive business move. "Let's not get to the ugly stage, that's where I think BB and Pioli aren't so good."-Bri
See, I completely disagree. I think they've been magnificent. The Lawyer MIlloy situation worked out pretty good. Deion Branch worked out with a #1, and a couple of plays from another SB. Ty Law worked out okay. They stay under the cap, and the team stays among the elite in the league. No, they don't always keep the best players, so it's not always the best possible outcome, but in a fair analysis, I think they've been outstanding in handling their negotiations. Put it this way. I wouldn't want to be on the other side, and I was a union VP. Granted, negotiating Paperworkers contracs and dickering between 3 adn 3.5% annual raises and 3 adn 4$ 401k contributions is a lot different, but the same concepts. They're simply brutal. I just love Asante's concern for his family. I'd surmise they're around market value. Probably around 5 years, they want the guy. Probably $15-18 million ish up front, 40-45 million overall. They're not going to pay him what Clements got, but it's probably what he wants. As with all Pat negotiations, it's a take it or leave it offer. Asante is good, so was Ty Law, so was Lawyer Mlloy. They're made better in the system., but not irreplacable. How do I see it playing out? Sign and trade, soon for a 1st plus. Or, play out this year. If he sits, and misses out on $8 million this year, or just under, he loses that money, plus the fines. I don't see this one going as far as Branch, because that went too far into the season.
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Footballguy
Equivalent to getting the #17 pick overall for Samuel. That seems like value if he is not willing to play for you. If people are high for him, trade him now and get what you can. You don't watch training camp to come around and have a hold out situation.was looking over at nfldraftcountdown.com and they updated the three pressing needs of each team. Here are the ones for the Patriots:1. Inside Linebacker: There is no room for a new starter just yet but Tedy Bruschi is really on a year-to-year basis and Mike Vrabel is getting older as well so some depth may be needed. 2. Defensive Back: No one does a better job of finding lightly regarded corners than the Pats but they could still use a top talent and Rodney Harrison's about finished at safety as well. 3. Offensive Line: Another position where the team does a great job of mining talent but Matt Light has been somewhat disappointing as of late and some more depth wouldn't hurt.
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I like this move. The key is he comes in for depth and expectations are realistic. He's not the player he was but he can still contribute as a role player. Unfortunately for James if recent history for Patriot DBacks holds true he'll be on the IR around mid-to-late September.nerangers said:
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Not sure if this is good news or not:Jets | Gay leaves without a contract
Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:45:28 -0700
Tom Rock, of New York Newsday, reports restricted free-agent CB Randall Gay (Patriots) left his visit with the New York Jets Tuesday, April 10, without signing a contract or being given an offer sheet.
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Footballguy
Can't say I'm surprised. With the value teams put on draft picks I find it hard to believe someone will give up a #2 for a player with limited experience who has been banged up for two straight years. The Jets could simply be doing some homework for next offseason.As for the Pats hopefully Gay can stay healthy and regain the form from two years ago where it looked like he had a bright future. If so, it would be a boost in the depth department.
I'd guess Mangini figures if he waits til they have James under contract Gay's trade value is less. I don't think it really affects it as they always need depth but....I'd guess he's waiting on that
there's ways around that as you see with the rumor that the Chargers will take a 1st for Turner and not the mandatory 1st and 3rd. re-sign and trade I guess
probably true but if it's a 3rd and ?? they might go for that instead. Jets have some "extra" picks from the 3rd on IIRC
Testaverde gone?
I wouldn't mind the Pats nosing into the Trent Green discussions. I like Cassell but they need a vet too.
Fins are only offerring a 7th(fine by me), Chiefs want a 2nd(too much, don't have it-Welker). Lions are interested in him too and.....If it's for 5th or later, wouldn't ya want the Pats to inquire?
I wouldn't mind the Pats nosing into the Trent Green discussions. I like Cassell but they need a vet too.
Fins are only offerring a 7th(fine by me), Chiefs want a 2nd(too much, don't have it-Welker). Lions are interested in him too and.....If it's for 5th or later, wouldn't ya want the Pats to inquire?
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Footballguy
If it's something like that than it's entirely possible...or they could even deal for picks next year. Right now the Pats have 10 picks...four of which they can't deal. You can always use more depth but I'd be surprised if they bring in more than 10 draft picks. I wouldn't be shocked to see them package a few to move around this year and/or to get a few extra picks next year when they probably won't get much (if anything) as far as compenatory picks because of their activity in free agency this offseason.
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Footballguy
My guess is it depends on what they think of Cassell. Is he ready to be the unquestioned backup or are there still questions? If they're comfortable with him I could see them bringing in a rookie like Kolb to develop. If they're not totally sold on Cassell than veteran insurance would make a ton of sense (and could even if they are comfortable with Cassell).
