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3. Can Brady exploit the Steelers CBs and hit the deep ball. There is little doubt in my mind that Pitt can shut down Dillon and the running game unless Brady is able to hit big plays to keep them honest....Brady will be able to hit enough big plays in the passing game to keep this thing very close though.

This comment right here showed me you were simply talking out your ### and have little or no knowledge of the NE gameplan or style of play. Carry on....

 

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On ESPN radio, the Dan Patrick Show, Ray Lewis just said that if he had to pick a winner this Sunday, he picks the Steelers.Not that it means anything, but the Ravens played both teams this year.

:rotflmao: I leave for lunch and this thread has been reduced to THIS? I the Shark Pool :rotflmao:

 

[Johnny Ice]

,Jan 18 2005, 02:39 PM]

3. Can Brady exploit the Steelers CBs and hit the deep ball. There is little doubt in my mind that Pitt can shut down Dillon and the running game unless Brady is able to hit big plays to keep them honest....Brady will be able to hit enough big plays in the passing game to keep this thing very close though.

This comment right here showed me you were simply talking out your ### and have little or no knowledge of the NE gameplan or style of play. Carry on....

Yeah New England's gameplan is quite sophisticated

 

[Steeler]

I don't whine about getting respect. We have earned respect, just look at what has been accomplished in 3 seasons. The problem is PIT fans want respect, which is earned, not just handed out.... That is the differecne between Pats and Steelers fans...Earn it

I respect what the Pats have accomplished over the last three years, but what the hell have you done as a fan to earn any respect?!? Too funny :rotflmao:

 

[Steelers4Life]

,Jan 18 2005, 02:41 PM]

On ESPN radio, the Dan Patrick Show, Ray Lewis just said that if he had to pick a winner this Sunday, he picks the Steelers.Not that it means anything, but the Ravens played both teams this year.

:rotflmao: I leave for lunch and this thread has been reduced to THIS? I the Shark Pool :rotflmao:

C'mon man!!!! We're running out of things to debate here! I'm sick of the Steelers running game versus Bellichek's genius #### already and it's only Tuesday.Cut me some slack! It was just a joke of a post....

 

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,Jan 18 2005, 02:39 PM]

3.  Can Brady exploit the Steelers CBs and hit the deep ball.  There is little doubt in my mind that Pitt can shut down Dillon and the running game unless Brady is able to hit big plays to keep them honest....Brady will be able to hit enough big plays in the passing game to keep this thing very close though.

This comment right here showed me you were simply talking out your ### and have little or no knowledge of the NE gameplan or style of play. Carry on....

Yeah New England's gameplan is quite sophisticated

Yeah.... that's what I was implying New England is NOT a "deep ball" team. They don't rely on 70yd TD passes or "big plays" as the previous poster implied.... the Pats rely on a ball-control offense. They grind out the run and mix in short 5-15yd passes.

 

[DerangedGridironGeek]

,Jan 18 2005, 01:58 PM]

,Jan 18 2005, 02:39 PM]

3.  Can Brady exploit the Steelers CBs and hit the deep ball.  There is little doubt in my mind that Pitt can shut down Dillon and the running game unless Brady is able to hit big plays to keep them honest....Brady will be able to hit enough big plays in the passing game to keep this thing very close though.

This comment right here showed me you were simply talking out your ### and have little or no knowledge of the NE gameplan or style of play. Carry on....

Yeah New England's gameplan is quite sophisticated

Yeah.... that's what I was implying New England is NOT a "deep ball" team. They don't rely on 70yd TD passes or "big plays" as the previous poster implied.... the Pats rely on a ball-control offense. They grind out the run and mix in short 5-15yd passes.

Agree with your point.....but over the last couple of years they are throwing the deep ball with more regularity and taking more shots downfield. They've won a few games with the deep ball.....while Givens, Patten and B.Johnson have all caught some pretty long ones this year. They might not rely on it, but it is a regular part of the offense that gets used 2-3 times a game.

 

[Johnny Ice]

,Jan 18 2005, 02:58 PM] New England is NOT a "deep ball" team. They don't rely on 70yd TD passes or "big plays" as the previous poster implied.... the Pats rely on a ball-control offense. They grind out the run and mix in short 5-15yd passes.

He clearly stated the deep ball is for the purpose of loosening up the Steelers D not relying on it.

 

[BGP]

,Jan 18 2005, 02:41 PM]

On ESPN radio, the Dan Patrick Show, Ray Lewis just said that if he had to pick a winner this Sunday, he picks the Steelers.Not that it means anything, but the Ravens played both teams this year.

:rotflmao: I leave for lunch and this thread has been reduced to THIS? I the Shark Pool :rotflmao:

C'mon man!!!! We're running out of things to debate here! I'm sick of the Steelers running game versus Bellichek's genius #### already and it's only Tuesday.Cut me some slack! It was just a joke of a post....

Well, if you're tired of it, you don't have to post in this thread...

 

[jurb26]

,Jan 18 2005, 01:58 PM]

,Jan 18 2005, 02:39 PM]

3.  Can Brady exploit the Steelers CBs and hit the deep ball.  There is little doubt in my mind that Pitt can shut down Dillon and the running game unless Brady is able to hit big plays to keep them honest....Brady will be able to hit enough big plays in the passing game to keep this thing very close though.

This comment right here showed me you were simply talking out your ### and have little or no knowledge of the NE gameplan or style of play. Carry on....

Yeah New England's gameplan is quite sophisticated

Yeah.... that's what I was implying New England is NOT a "deep ball" team. They don't rely on 70yd TD passes or "big plays" as the previous poster implied.... the Pats rely on a ball-control offense. They grind out the run and mix in short 5-15yd passes.

Agree with your point.....but over the last couple of years they are throwing the deep ball with more regularity and taking more shots downfield. They've won a few games with the deep ball.....while Givens, Patten and B.Johnson have all caught some pretty long ones this year. They might not rely on it, but it is a regular part of the offense that gets used 2-3 times a game.

Not only that, but he is completly missing the point. Pitt is the best team in the league at stoping the run. Much like the Pats will do vs. Pitt's O, they will concentrate on stuffing the run. The front 7 is at the LOS looking to create confusion and fast to the ball within that 0-15 yds window. It will take big plays from both QBs to slow down the aggressive nature of each D. Hitting big plays in the passing game is the best way to make guys less likely to line up in the box or run down hill at the snap of the ball. With out hurting the Steelers down the field in the passing game, NE will be very hard pressed to find room to run the ball. So regardless of if this is what NE LIKES to do, it is IMO what they NEED to do in order to win this game. Big difference there. Nobody has challenged the Steelers this year on the ground and won with it alone. Well maybe Balt did in week 2.

 

[Evilgrin72]

I'd just like to add the following stats to the discussion :AFC Championship Thread : 257 replies 3029 viewsNFC Championship Thread : 87 replies 1168 views :rotflmao: No-one cares about the NFC....

 

[jurb26]

,Jan 18 2005, 02:58 PM] New England is NOT a "deep ball" team. They don't rely on 70yd TD passes or "big plays" as the previous poster implied.... the Pats rely on a ball-control offense. They grind out the run and mix in short 5-15yd passes.

He clearly stated the deep ball is for the purpose of loosening up the Steelers D not relying on it.

Comprehension is obviosly not a strong point. Or maybe I was not clear enough. I reiterated my thoughts in more detail for him though.

 

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3.  Can Brady exploit the Steelers CBs and hit the deep ball.  There is little doubt in my mind that Pitt can shut down Dillon and the running game unless Brady is able to hit big plays to keep them honest....Brady will be able to hit enough big plays in the passing game to keep this thing very close though.

This comment right here showed me you were simply talking out your ### and have little or no knowledge of the NE gameplan or style of play. Carry on....

Yeah New England's gameplan is quite sophisticated

Yeah.... that's what I was implying New England is NOT a "deep ball" team. They don't rely on 70yd TD passes or "big plays" as the previous poster implied.... the Pats rely on a ball-control offense. They grind out the run and mix in short 5-15yd passes.

Agree with your point.....but over the last couple of years they are throwing the deep ball with more regularity and taking more shots downfield. They've won a few games with the deep ball.....while Givens, Patten and B.Johnson have all caught some pretty long ones this year. They might not rely on it, but it is a regular part of the offense that gets used 2-3 times a game.

Not only that, but he is completly missing the point. Pitt is the best team in the league at stoping the run. Much like the Pats will do vs. Pitt's O, they will concentrate on stuffing the run. The front 7 is at the LOS looking to create confusion and fast to the ball within that 0-15 yds window. It will take big plays from both QBs to slow down the aggressive nature of each D. Hitting big plays in the passing game is the best way to make guys less likely to line up in the box or run down hill at the snap of the ball. With out hurting the Steelers down the field in the passing game, NE will be very hard pressed to find room to run the ball. So regardless of if this is what NE LIKES to do, it is IMO what they NEED to do in order to win this game. Big difference there. Nobody has challenged the Steelers this year on the ground and won with it alone. Well maybe Balt did in week 2.

Your opinion is just that.... there's a saying about opinions somwhere as well. The fact is that both teams will be keying on the rushing game and blitzing to provide pressure on the QBs. NE's offense won't need the deep ball to slow this rush.... they can avoid it with Brady's quick passes outside and just under the secondary. Will NE go deep a few times...certainly....will they get lucky with a long strike....maybe. However, it won't be a key to the game as you were implying.

 

[Evilgrin72]

,Jan 18 2005, 04:00 PM] they can avoid it with Brady's quick passes outside and just under the secondary.

This is the game plan the Steelers have been most succeptible to, and the one I fear most. Lately, they've been adjusting to this better by dropping Polamalu into passing lanes after faking a blitz - he has 6 picks, most on these types of plays.

 

[jurb26]

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3.  Can Brady exploit the Steelers CBs and hit the deep ball.  There is little doubt in my mind that Pitt can shut down Dillon and the running game unless Brady is able to hit big plays to keep them honest....Brady will be able to hit enough big plays in the passing game to keep this thing very close though.

This comment right here showed me you were simply talking out your ### and have little or no knowledge of the NE gameplan or style of play. Carry on....

Yeah New England's gameplan is quite sophisticated

Yeah.... that's what I was implying New England is NOT a "deep ball" team. They don't rely on 70yd TD passes or "big plays" as the previous poster implied.... the Pats rely on a ball-control offense. They grind out the run and mix in short 5-15yd passes.

Agree with your point.....but over the last couple of years they are throwing the deep ball with more regularity and taking more shots downfield. They've won a few games with the deep ball.....while Givens, Patten and B.Johnson have all caught some pretty long ones this year. They might not rely on it, but it is a regular part of the offense that gets used 2-3 times a game.

Not only that, but he is completly missing the point. Pitt is the best team in the league at stoping the run. Much like the Pats will do vs. Pitt's O, they will concentrate on stuffing the run. The front 7 is at the LOS looking to create confusion and fast to the ball within that 0-15 yds window. It will take big plays from both QBs to slow down the aggressive nature of each D. Hitting big plays in the passing game is the best way to make guys less likely to line up in the box or run down hill at the snap of the ball. With out hurting the Steelers down the field in the passing game, NE will be very hard pressed to find room to run the ball. So regardless of if this is what NE LIKES to do, it is IMO what they NEED to do in order to win this game. Big difference there. Nobody has challenged the Steelers this year on the ground and won with it alone. Well maybe Balt did in week 2.

Your opinion is just that.... there's a saying about opinions somwhere as well. The fact is that both teams will be keying on the rushing game and blitzing to provide pressure on the QBs. NE's offense won't need the deep ball to slow this rush.... they can avoid it with Brady's quick passes outside and just under the secondary. Will NE go deep a few times...certainly....will they get lucky with a long strike....maybe. However, it won't be a key to the game as you were implying.

Can you post the daily nubers for me too. :bluedjinn: Yeah that quick passing game really slowed down the rush last time they played huh? I know, I know but they had guys hurt.... I can see I'll be hard pressed to get and substance out of you on this topic.

 

[jurb26]

,Jan 18 2005, 04:00 PM] they can avoid it with Brady's quick passes outside and just under the secondary.

This is the game plan the Steelers have been most succeptible to, and the one I fear most. Lately, they've been adjusting to this better by dropping Polamalu into passing lanes after faking a blitz - he has 6 picks, most on these types of plays.

Again, this is why I think they need to challenge Pitt deep 1st. Pitt has been able to play at or near the LOS in nearly all of their games this year. A big problem for them used to be that they didn't make the tackles in that 5-15 window. They have gotten much better at this as the season went on though. More than anything else, Brady will need to fool Troy. Get him to commit up field and then pay for it with singled up coverage with a CB. If they don't, Troy will once again run right into a passing lane and make a big INT.

 

[dansav]

I don't whine about getting respect. We have earned respect, just look at what has been accomplished in 3 seasons. The problem is PIT fans want respect, which is earned, not just handed out.... That is the differecne between Pats and Steelers fans...Earn it 

I respect what the Pats have accomplished over the last three years, but what the hell have you done as a fan to earn any respect?!? Too funny :rotflmao:

I keep my mouth shut and don't cry for respect!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

[roadkill1292]

No dog in this fight, but I've finally come around to the Pats. Their uncanny ability to score first in every game will have the Steelers, a team I like very much, playing catchup all day. And that bodes ill for a rookie QB going against a veteran and big-play defense in bad weather.What they've done the last four years in the salary cap era is phenomenal. Pats by 3.

 

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I can see I'll be hard pressed to get and substance out of you on this topic.

I've posted several lengthy breakdowns of this game in this and other threads.... if you missed them then that's your problem not mine. I will quote one from another thread for your perusal, however.

All the Steelers fans pointing to leaning on the rushing game are wise...However you guys MUST remember that Pitt was ABLE to lean on the rushing game due to jumping out to an early lead (thanks to some pat's turnovers). Those turnovers MIGHT have had something to do with having to shift to a 90% pass offense due to a missing stud RB. That has been commented on, but there is a ripple effect on the passing game that some are missing out on. The odds of Pitt being able to jump to a 21 point lead in the first quarter again are pretty slim and it's a little tougher to just ride the running game when you don't have that comfy double-digit padding. Also note that After New England settled down they were able to outscore Pittsburgh in the 2nd, 3rd  and 4th quarters even while lacking many key elements (including a huge mid-game blow to their defensive sheme with Law's loss). NE has had time to make the adjustments needed to compensate for Law's absence. BEN'S DECLINE:Big Ben's first 7 games:Rating 103.410 TD - 4 INTBig Ben's last 8 games:Rating 86.67 TD - 8 INTThe rookie came out of the guns strong but like with most rookies, coaches now have access to enough film to find out how to confuse the kid..... Bill be able to extract at least 1 but more than likely 2 or more Interceptions from this very good, but very inexperienced young quarterback. This kid showed a little cracking under the pressure in the first playoff game of his career a few days ago.... and that pressure was NOTHING compared to what he'll feel this Sunday. Finally the weather is beginning to look to be in the favor of New England. If, indeed, there will be very heavy snows during the game Sunday, I like New England's quick short passing game versus the passing game of pittsburgh who relies a little more on the big play ability of Ward and Burress. Both teams will show the ability to drastically slow the run....Overall, this will be one helluva game and will come down to Special Teams (field position football), and big plays (turnovers and the potential deep strike). While Pitt clearly has a slight to moderate edge in the RB department (more due to having two large backs than having one back that is better than Dillon), I believe Billy B will be able to take his far more cohesive D unit and force the game into Young Ben's hands.... somewhere that whether they're ready to admit it or not, don't want the game to be.This will be one helluva game but I think the combination of Brady, Billy B, and Dillon, combined with an improved Pats D-unit will be just enough to overcome the home field advantage of Pitt.

New England Keys:• They need to get out front early. Giving up 21 points with 4 turnovers to this Pittsburgh squad in the first quarter is a recipe for disaster. If New England can get out front early and limit Pitts ability to ride the rushing attack then it will bode VERY well for the Pats.• Establish a rushing game. New England could clearly put points on the board against Pittsburgh without Dillon (outscored Pitt after the first quarter). With Dillon, NE will have a real rushing attack and you can expect to see a lot more than the 6 rushing attempts you saw on Halloween. The Pats will finally be able to field their full balanced offense...this benefits Brady greatly as well.• Keep pressure on Ben. He WILL make rookie mistakes in the face of a legit pass rush. Don't give him time to get the ball deep to burress and ward who are both good enough to beat the Pats secondary. BB has studied all the film from Ben's questionable 2nd half of the season and will break it down. Confuse Ben with good schemes and he will give the ball up. Pittsburgh Keys:• Stop the rush. They showed last game that forcing the Patriots to be one dimensional is a recipe for success. Pittsburgh has the best rush D in the league, no doubt... however expect a far more potent rushing attack this time around because Kevin Faulk is no Corey Dillon. Sure, Pittsburgh has faced Dillon before, but never behind a Patriots Offensive Line. I expect Dillon to rip off about 60-70 yards and a TD, but if Pitt can hold him to under 40-50 yards and keep him out of the endzone it will greatly increase their chances of winning. • Get the ball to Burress and Ward. Both are speedy physical recievers who should be able to get open against NE's Secondary. If Ben can keep his poise in the pocket and play like he did in the first half of hte season, look for him to hit these two to the tune of 140yds and a TD or two. • Rush the ball. Rush the ball. Rush the Ball. Unless they get the breaks they got in the first game they won't have the luxury to completely ride Bettis and Staley like before.... however they MUST establish a strong rushing game to win this contest as Ben will not be able to beat this Patriots squad without at least 130-140 yards and maybe a TD out of these two backs. If New England can find a way to contain these two monsters expect it to be a long day for Pittsburgh.This will be one helluva game and I'm hardly sure NE will win this.... I think NE wins 6 games out of 10. I also think this might be a little higher scoring than some think.... I'd even go so far as to take the over (35?) if the weather is decent. Prediction: New England - 23Pittsburgh - 19

 

[jurb26]

,Jan 18 2005, 05:02 PM]

All the Steelers fans pointing to leaning on the rushing game are wise...However you guys MUST remember that Pitt was ABLE to lean on the rushing game due to jumping out to an early lead (thanks to some pat's turnovers). Those turnovers MIGHT have had something to do with having to shift to a 90% pass offense due to a missing stud RB. That has been commented on, but there is a ripple effect on the passing game that some are missing out on. The odds of Pitt being able to jump to a 21 point lead in the first quarter again are pretty slim and it's a little tougher to just ride the running game when you don't have that comfy double-digit padding. Also note that After New England settled down they were able to outscore Pittsburgh in the 2nd, 3rd  and 4th quarters even while lacking many key elements (including a huge mid-game blow to their defensive sheme with Law's loss). NE has had time to make the adjustments needed to compensate for Law's absence. BEN'S DECLINE:Big Ben's first 7 games:Rating 103.410 TD - 4 INTBig Ben's last 8 games:Rating 86.67 TD - 8 INTThe rookie came out of the guns strong but like with most rookies, coaches now have access to enough film to find out how to confuse the kid..... Bill be able to extract at least 1 but more than likely 2 or more Interceptions from this very good, but very inexperienced young quarterback. This kid showed a little cracking under the pressure in the first playoff game of his career a few days ago.... and that pressure was NOTHING compared to what he'll feel this Sunday. Finally the weather is beginning to look to be in the favor of New England. If, indeed, there will be very heavy snows during the game Sunday, I like New England's quick short passing game versus the passing game of pittsburgh who relies a little more on the big play ability of Ward and Burress. Both teams will show the ability to drastically slow the run....Overall, this will be one helluva game and will come down to Special Teams (field position football), and big plays (turnovers and the potential deep strike). While Pitt clearly has a slight to moderate edge in the RB department (more due to having two large backs than having one back that is better than Dillon), I believe Billy B will be able to take his far more cohesive D unit and force the game into Young Ben's hands.... somewhere that whether they're ready to admit it or not, don't want the game to be.This will be one helluva game but I think the combination of Brady, Billy B, and Dillon, combined with an improved Pats D-unit will be just enough to overcome the home field advantage of Pitt.

New England Keys:• They need to get out front early. Giving up 21 points with 4 turnovers to this Pittsburgh squad in the first quarter is a recipe for disaster. If New England can get out front early and limit Pitts ability to ride the rushing attack then it will bode VERY well for the Pats.• Establish a rushing game. New England could clearly put points on the board against Pittsburgh without Dillon (outscored Pitt after the first quarter). With Dillon, NE will have a real rushing attack and you can expect to see a lot more than the 6 rushing attempts you saw on Halloween. The Pats will finally be able to field their full balanced offense...this benefits Brady greatly as well.• Keep pressure on Ben. He WILL make rookie mistakes in the face of a legit pass rush. Don't give him time to get the ball deep to burress and ward who are both good enough to beat the Pats secondary. BB has studied all the film from Ben's questionable 2nd half of the season and will break it down. Confuse Ben with good schemes and he will give the ball up. Pittsburgh Keys:• Stop the rush. They showed last game that forcing the Patriots to be one dimensional is a recipe for success. Pittsburgh has the best rush D in the league, no doubt... however expect a far more potent rushing attack this time around because Kevin Faulk is no Corey Dillon. Sure, Pittsburgh has faced Dillon before, but never behind a Patriots Offensive Line. I expect Dillon to rip off about 60-70 yards and a TD, but if Pitt can hold him to under 40-50 yards and keep him out of the endzone it will greatly increase their chances of winning. • Get the ball to Burress and Ward. Both are speedy physical recievers who should be able to get open against NE's Secondary. If Ben can keep his poise in the pocket and play like he did in the first half of hte season, look for him to hit these two to the tune of 140yds and a TD or two. • Rush the ball. Rush the ball. Rush the Ball. Unless they get the breaks they got in the first game they won't have the luxury to completely ride Bettis and Staley like before.... however they MUST establish a strong rushing game to win this contest as Ben will not be able to beat this Patriots squad without at least 130-140 yards and maybe a TD out of these two backs. If New England can find a way to contain these two monsters expect it to be a long day for Pittsburgh.

Funny your keys look a lot like mine. Only I think that the best way to establish the run is to challenge Pitt down the field with some passes. So what was the point of your arrogent responses?One thing I disagree with is the implied point that Pitt will only rely on the run if up by a lot. Pitt will rely on the run nearly all the time. Even if down, within reason. If they are down by 21 or so like NE was in the 1st game, of course this will change.I also have to tell you that Plax and Ward are anything but "speedy" WRs. WRs capable of big plays, yes. But noone will be confusing them with track stars anytime soon thats for sure.

 

[fred_1_15301]

,Jan 18 2005, 05:02 PM]

I can see I'll be hard pressed to get and substance out of you on this topic.

I've posted several lengthy breakdowns of this game in this and other threads.... if you missed them then that's your problem not mine. I will quote one from another thread for your perusal, however.

All the Steelers fans pointing to leaning on the rushing game are wise...However you guys MUST remember that Pitt was ABLE to lean on the rushing game due to jumping out to an early lead (thanks to some pat's turnovers). Those turnovers MIGHT have had something to do with having to shift to a 90% pass offense due to a missing stud RB. That has been commented on, but there is a ripple effect on the passing game that some are missing out on. The odds of Pitt being able to jump to a 21 point lead in the first quarter again are pretty slim and it's a little tougher to just ride the running game when you don't have that comfy double-digit padding. Also note that After New England settled down they were able to outscore Pittsburgh in the 2nd, 3rd  and 4th quarters even while lacking many key elements (including a huge mid-game blow to their defensive sheme with Law's loss). NE has had time to make the adjustments needed to compensate for Law's absence. BEN'S DECLINE:Big Ben's first 7 games:Rating 103.410 TD - 4 INTBig Ben's last 8 games:Rating 86.67 TD - 8 INTThe rookie came out of the guns strong but like with most rookies, coaches now have access to enough film to find out how to confuse the kid..... Bill be able to extract at least 1 but more than likely 2 or more Interceptions from this very good, but very inexperienced young quarterback. This kid showed a little cracking under the pressure in the first playoff game of his career a few days ago.... and that pressure was NOTHING compared to what he'll feel this Sunday. Finally the weather is beginning to look to be in the favor of New England. If, indeed, there will be very heavy snows during the game Sunday, I like New England's quick short passing game versus the passing game of pittsburgh who relies a little more on the big play ability of Ward and Burress. Both teams will show the ability to drastically slow the run....Overall, this will be one helluva game and will come down to Special Teams (field position football), and big plays (turnovers and the potential deep strike). While Pitt clearly has a slight to moderate edge in the RB department (more due to having two large backs than having one back that is better than Dillon), I believe Billy B will be able to take his far more cohesive D unit and force the game into Young Ben's hands.... somewhere that whether they're ready to admit it or not, don't want the game to be.This will be one helluva game but I think the combination of Brady, Billy B, and Dillon, combined with an improved Pats D-unit will be just enough to overcome the home field advantage of Pitt.

New England Keys:• They need to get out front early. Giving up 21 points with 4 turnovers to this Pittsburgh squad in the first quarter is a recipe for disaster. If New England can get out front early and limit Pitts ability to ride the rushing attack then it will bode VERY well for the Pats.• Establish a rushing game. New England could clearly put points on the board against Pittsburgh without Dillon (outscored Pitt after the first quarter). With Dillon, NE will have a real rushing attack and you can expect to see a lot more than the 6 rushing attempts you saw on Halloween. The Pats will finally be able to field their full balanced offense...this benefits Brady greatly as well.• Keep pressure on Ben. He WILL make rookie mistakes in the face of a legit pass rush. Don't give him time to get the ball deep to burress and ward who are both good enough to beat the Pats secondary. BB has studied all the film from Ben's questionable 2nd half of the season and will break it down. Confuse Ben with good schemes and he will give the ball up. Pittsburgh Keys:• Stop the rush. They showed last game that forcing the Patriots to be one dimensional is a recipe for success. Pittsburgh has the best rush D in the league, no doubt... however expect a far more potent rushing attack this time around because Kevin Faulk is no Corey Dillon. Sure, Pittsburgh has faced Dillon before, but never behind a Patriots Offensive Line. I expect Dillon to rip off about 60-70 yards and a TD, but if Pitt can hold him to under 40-50 yards and keep him out of the endzone it will greatly increase their chances of winning. • Get the ball to Burress and Ward. Both are speedy physical recievers who should be able to get open against NE's Secondary. If Ben can keep his poise in the pocket and play like he did in the first half of hte season, look for him to hit these two to the tune of 140yds and a TD or two. • Rush the ball. Rush the ball. Rush the Ball. Unless they get the breaks they got in the first game they won't have the luxury to completely ride Bettis and Staley like before.... however they MUST establish a strong rushing game to win this contest as Ben will not be able to beat this Patriots squad without at least 130-140 yards and maybe a TD out of these two backs. If New England can find a way to contain these two monsters expect it to be a long day for Pittsburgh.This will be one helluva game and I'm hardly sure NE will win this.... I think NE wins 6 games out of 10. I also think this might be a little higher scoring than some think.... I'd even go so far as to take the over (35?) if the weather is decent. Prediction: New England - 23Pittsburgh - 19

nice breakdown icon but just a few points. First off you suggest that the Pats outscored the steelers from qts 2-4 which is technically true. However, you forget to note the backbreaking drive the steelers had with about 7 minutes to go in the 4th qtr that ate up the clock. Ben had 3 kneel downs at the Pats 9 yd line but clearly the Steelers showed on that drive that they could have put up another td (which would have evened up the 2nd-4th qtr scoring). My second point is that the steelers were up 31-10 at the beginning of the 3rd qtr. They were more concerned with running out the clock than putting up points. The pats, on the other hand, were coming out shotgun every down against a much more relaxed Steelers D. The Steelers physical D set the tempo early and as a result they could change their strategy on offense and defense for the 2nd half. I think that is the reason they were outscored in the 2nd half of the game. It didn't have anything to do with being outplayed or physically beaten.

 

[Oghma]

Argue about numbers all day, it doesn't mean much to me. Brady and Bill Bell have 'it', whatever the hell 'it' is. Montana had it, Jordan had it, Phil Jackson had it, Curt Schilling has 'it', etc....The ability to tune everything out and perform at the highest level in the biggest situations. Seperates the men from the boys, and champions from the rest.Many of you will laugh or scoff at that, and I don't blame you for it. But until someone beats them in the playoffs I believe completely in this team's ability to win. Big Ben seems like he might have 'it'. He's a winner. Too early to tell, but Cowher doesn't have 'it'. You don't lose three AFC titles games at home, you just don't.

I certainly agree that the Pats have the mighty "IT". However "it" is often lost without warning or reason. I see no warning signs or reasons to expect "it" to go away, but... While it is certainly true that those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it, there is also truth that people learn by doing. Cowher is 1 for 4 in the AFC Championship game. Is it possible that he has learned something from these experiences? Belicheck certainly lacked "it" when he coached the Browns. The Browns were a pretty darn good team under him. I have laughed at Browns fans for years for not recognizing that. Somewhere along the way he learned "it". Drew Bledsoe certainly never had "it". It wasn't till a young QB named Brady came out of nowhere, apparantely bringing "it" with him (though a few otherw may have had some of "it" already), that the Pats found "it, and proceeded to spread "it" around to everybody else on the team. Now here comes another young QB who looks like he might have "it". Low and behold, others on the team have been receptive to "it" and may have spread "it" around. In a week, or maybe 3 weeks we will know if "it" is a learned trait, and if the Steelers have learned "it". If the Pats win the Super Bowl it will be clear that they still have "it", though if they lose along the way there will be no definitive proof till next season if "it" has left the building.

 

[bj8288]

Don't have the stats in front of me, but I know NE has a LONG streak (although maybe recently broken) of scoring first. The Steelers have the most points in the NFL in the first quarter. So we have the 2 best teams in the league at getting out front early.

 

[Oghma]

,Jan 18 2005, 12:46 PM]

What's funny is that just about every Steelers fan comes in here giving New England respect and saying it's going to be a tough game and a good portion of the Pats fans come in here discrediting what the Steelers have done and predicting a blow out.

Are we reading the same thread?I don't know if a single sane Pats fan who's predicted a blowout, yet several steelers fans have predicted that they win "going away" again

I'm not sure if either of you are reading the same thread that I am. This has been the most respectful and thoughtful debate that I can remember on this site in a really long time. In general I have been impressed by the fans on both sides.Any chance we can stay with that theme?

 

[pdlglm]

. This includes the aforementioned JETS who laid the smackdown on PIT last week.

So the Jets are playing the Pats this week? Do you live in Bizarro world?

No, but they should be...

shoulda, woulda, coulda.

 

[pdlglm]

What's funny is that just about every Steelers fan comes in here giving New England respect and saying it's going to be a tough game and a good portion of the Pats fans come in here discrediting what the Steelers have done and predicting a blow out.

Kinda like PIT fans talking about INDY beating NE hands down..It is all relavant... Like I said see you on the field Sunday....

I picked the Pats.

 

[pdlglm]

Keep in mind you will not win with a rookie QB

You're going to have to forgive me if I feel this argument is a little tired and irrelevant by now, seeing as I've been hearing it since week 5 and the guy still hasn't lost.

He looks like #%@#. How many pics has he thrown the 2nd half of the season?

Having watched every game he has played this year, he has looked quite good actually. Until last week.

 

[jurb26]

What's funny is that just about every Steelers fan comes in here giving New England respect and saying it's going to be a tough game and a good portion of the Pats fans come in here discrediting what the Steelers have done and predicting a blow out.

Kinda like PIT fans talking about INDY beating NE hands down..It is all relavant... Like I said see you on the field Sunday....

I picked the Pats.

So did I.

 

[pdlglm]

What's funny is that just about every Steelers fan comes in here giving New England respect and saying it's going to be a tough game and a good portion of the Pats fans come in here discrediting what the Steelers have done and predicting a blow out.

Kinda like PIT fans talking about INDY beating NE hands down..It is all relavant... Like I said see you on the field Sunday....

I picked the Pats.

So did I.

I'll admit that, as a Steeler fan, I'm nervous. But I've also had about as much as I would like of the media freak-out over Ben's Jet game and Dillon coming back. The Patriots don't win that game with Dillon. Not unless he plays a couple of different positions on the offensive line and perhaps a little line-backer as well.Watched the replay of the game on the NFL channel last night and it was a complete domination. The Steelers kicked the crap out of the Pats.That being said, these two teams are the best in football and the Pats could roll this time around. Don't think they will, but they could.

 

[Stillers Jr.]

As a Steeler fan, I hope they win more than anything. In the past, though, I have gotten too wrapped up in stuff like this. The SD loss in 94 still haunts me at night sometimes. I have no control over what will transpire unfortunately. That said, I will not get all bent outta shape if the Steelers lose. What will be a shame is that, if indeed the Pats come out on top, Cowher's "legacy" will be wrecked. People will lump him in with Shottenheimer, et al and I'm not so sure it's anything he can control.Anyway, good luck to the Pat's fans, but I will be rooting for my "boyz" to pull it out.

 

[Franknbeans]

No dog in this fight, but I've finally come around to the Pats. Their uncanny ability to score first in every game will have the Steelers, a team I like very much, playing catchup all day. And that bodes ill for a rookie QB going against a veteran and big-play defense in bad weather.What they've done the last four years in the salary cap era is phenomenal. Pats by 3.

Pats also scored first in their 1st meeting this year...It's time to throw out all the stats and just enjoy the game for what it is

 

[DerangedGridironGeek]

What will be a shame is that, if indeed the Pats come out on top, Cowher's "legacy" will be wrecked. People will lump him in with Shottenheimer, et al and I'm not so sure it's anything he can control.Anyway, good luck to the Pat's fans, but I will be rooting for my "boyz" to pull it out.

Being a Pats fan...I hope NE wins. However, if Pitt does lose, Cowher & Schotty are still great coaches that dont deserve that. Winning in the NFL is no easy task and both have fielded quite a few winning teams over their careers.

 

[dansav]

dansav,care to comment on the oakland post? oh, i forgot, the patriots never got any breaks.bottom line, the steelers won lastweek and will be hosting the game this week. if you want to believe we shouldn't be there, go right ahead.brady had a bad game against the dolphins. does this mean he will blow it against the steelers? i'm guessing no.ben had a bad game against the jets, a game that he was coming into without playing for about 3 weeks and having his playmaking wr plax not playing for well over that.i would expect a little timing and game speed issues for both of them.i expect a very tough game this week and feel that a late turnover or a pass interference, roughing the passer penalty to decide the game.

steelerfan1,What do you want me to comment on, rules of the NFL? O.K., Brady was ruled to have thrown an incomplete pass because his arm was going forward and had not tucked the ball completely into his body..You are also absolutely correct a win is a win.. PIT won last week, but if I am a fan I would be very discouraged with my teams performance, going into a championship game.I was at the MIA game, I know Brady played bad. Call me crazy, but the team is more focused after that lose....Could have been the best thing that happened to them this season.I expect a good game this week, advantage PATS final scorePATS 27STEELERS 13

 

[MallRat]

That said, I will not get all bent outta shape if the Steelers lose. What will be a shame is that, if indeed the Pats come out on top, Cowher's "legacy" will be wrecked. People will lump him in with Shottenheimer, et al and I'm not so sure it's anything he can control.

Speaking as a Pats fan, I think it would be really unfair to equate Cowher with Schottenheimer. For example, the defeat in the 2001 AFC Championship game was more a result of strong special teams and defensive play by the Patriots, as well as the incompetence of Kordell Stewart. As far as I'm concerned, Cowher is pretty far down on the blame list.Schottenheimer, on the other hand, is often the prime suspect when his teams crumble in the post-season. HE gets conservative with the playcalling. HE calls for running the ball into the pile three straight times, instead of gaining yardage to help a rookie kicker make a potential game-winning field goal. HE storms onto the field and gets his team hit with a 15-yard penalty. HE calls for a timid, overcautious defensive scheme to allow Elway to convert a mindblowing 3rd-and-18 against his Browns- thus, "The Drive."Sure, Nate Kaeding has to make that field goal. And yes, Martyball had nothing to do with Earnest Byner fumbling the ball. But when you look at their entire body of work, the good coaches put their teams in a position to win. Cowher does that. Schottenheimer doesn't.Regardless of what happens this week, believe me: Cowher is definitely NOT Schottenheimer. I like Cowher a lot. I just want the Patriots to beat him, that's all.

 

[fred_1_15301]

dansav,care to comment on the oakland post? oh, i forgot, the patriots never got any breaks.bottom line, the steelers won lastweek and will be hosting the game this week. if you want to believe we shouldn't be there, go right ahead.brady had a bad game against the dolphins. does this mean he will blow it against the steelers? i'm guessing no.ben had a bad game against the jets, a game that he was coming into without playing for about 3 weeks and having his playmaking wr plax not playing for well over that.i would expect a little timing and game speed issues for both of them.i expect a very tough game this week and feel that a late turnover or a pass interference, roughing the passer penalty to decide the game.

steelerfan1,What do you want me to comment on, rules of the NFL? O.K., Brady was ruled to have thrown an incomplete pass because his arm was going forward and had not tucked the ball completely into his body..You are also absolutely correct a win is a win.. PIT won last week, but if I am a fan I would be very discouraged with my teams performance, going into a championship game.I was at the MIA game, I know Brady played bad. Call me crazy, but the team is more focused after that lose....Could have been the best thing that happened to them this season.I expect a good game this week, advantage PATS final scorePATS 27STEELERS 13

Ok first of all you already claimed in an earlier post that the steelers "lost" to the Jets. Which is it? Are you acknowledging the fact that your patriots are playing the Steelers or are they still playing the Jets? Steelerfan's point was that the Patriots got a break against the Raiders thanks to an obscure rule that many people felt doesn't make sense. Regardless, the Pats won that game and there were other plays besides the "tuck" play that decided that game. Now as you claimed earlier the Steelers got a break against the jets thanks to a couple missed field goals but no less deserved to win that game than the Pats deserved to win against the raiders. Both teams were "lucky" to escape with wins but I don't really see how the situation is any different. Fact is, the Steelers made enough plays earlier in the game to win it just as the pats did against the raiders. Now you say that Brady and the pats are more focused since the miami game (which you will probably agree was their worst game of the year). Well how can you dismiss the theory that just maybe the Steelers are more focused after playing their worst game of the year (against the Jets).

 

[fred_1_15301]

That said,  I will not get all bent outta shape if the Steelers lose. What will be a shame is that, if indeed the Pats come out on top, Cowher's "legacy" will be wrecked. People will lump him in with Shottenheimer, et al and I'm not so sure it's anything he can control.

Speaking as a Pats fan, I think it would be really unfair to equate Cowher with Schottenheimer. For example, the defeat in the 2001 AFC Championship game was more a result of strong special teams and defensive play by the Patriots, as well as the incompetence of Kordell Stewart. As far as I'm concerned, Cowher is pretty far down on the blame list.Schottenheimer, on the other hand, is often the prime suspect when his teams crumble in the post-season. HE gets conservative with the playcalling. HE calls for running the ball into the pile three straight times, instead of gaining yardage to help a rookie kicker make a potential game-winning field goal. HE storms onto the field and gets his team hit with a 15-yard penalty. HE calls for a timid, overcautious defensive scheme to allow Elway to convert a mindblowing 3rd-and-18 against his Browns- thus, "The Drive."Sure, Nate Kaeding has to make that field goal. And yes, Martyball had nothing to do with Earnest Byner fumbling the ball. But when you look at their entire body of work, the good coaches put their teams in a position to win. Cowher does that. Schottenheimer doesn't.Regardless of what happens this week, believe me: Cowher is definitely NOT Schottenheimer. I like Cowher a lot. I just want the Patriots to beat him, that's all.

good post. I agree that Cowher receives a lot more blame than he deserves. If the steelers had lost to the Jets, fans would have been calling for cowher's neck. last time I checked, the coach can't control a special teams breakdown and a qb that goes colorblind all of a sudden. In the Jets game, Cowher honestly made only one controversial play call---after the first missed fg he probably should have come out running. Cowher did not lose the playoff game against the Pats in 2001. There were a lot of factors that influenced that loss but I wouldn't necessarily say he was outcoached. His team was outperformed.

 

[dansav]

dansav,care to comment on the oakland post? oh, i forgot, the patriots never got any breaks.bottom line, the steelers won lastweek and will be hosting the game this week. if you want to believe we shouldn't be there, go right ahead.brady had a bad game against the dolphins. does this mean he will blow it against the steelers? i'm guessing no.ben had a bad game against the jets, a game that he was coming into without playing for about 3 weeks and having his playmaking wr plax not playing for well over that.i would expect a little timing and game speed issues for both of them.i expect a very tough game this week and feel that a late turnover or a pass interference, roughing the passer penalty to decide the game.

steelerfan1,What do you want me to comment on, rules of the NFL? O.K., Brady was ruled to have thrown an incomplete pass because his arm was going forward and had not tucked the ball completely into his body..You are also absolutely correct a win is a win.. PIT won last week, but if I am a fan I would be very discouraged with my teams performance, going into a championship game.I was at the MIA game, I know Brady played bad. Call me crazy, but the team is more focused after that lose....Could have been the best thing that happened to them this season.I expect a good game this week, advantage PATS final scorePATS 27STEELERS 13

Ok first of all you already claimed in an earlier post that the steelers "lost" to the Jets. Which is it? Are you acknowledging the fact that your patriots are playing the Steelers or are they still playing the Jets? Steelerfan's point was that the Patriots got a break against the Raiders thanks to an obscure rule that many people felt doesn't make sense. Regardless, the Pats won that game and there were other plays besides the "tuck" play that decided that game. Now as you claimed earlier the Steelers got a break against the jets thanks to a couple missed field goals but no less deserved to win that game than the Pats deserved to win against the raiders. Both teams were "lucky" to escape with wins but I don't really see how the situation is any different. Fact is, the Steelers made enough plays earlier in the game to win it just as the pats did against the raiders. Now you say that Brady and the pats are more focused since the miami game (which you will probably agree was their worst game of the year). Well how can you dismiss the theory that just maybe the Steelers are more focused after playing their worst game of the year (against the Jets).

good point

 

[Godsbrother]

There were a lot of factors that influenced that loss but I wouldn't necessarily say he was outcoached. His team was outperformed.

Exactly. These two teams (and coaches) know each other pretty well. There may be a new wrinkle here or there but basically these teams are going to do what has worked for them all year.The game will be decided by the players on the field.

 

[The Ref]

There were a lot of factors that influenced that loss but I wouldn't necessarily say he was outcoached. His team was outperformed.

Exactly. These two teams (and coaches) know each other pretty well. There may be a new wrinkle here or there but basically these teams are going to do what has worked for them all year.The game will be decided by the players on the field.

You know - it wouldn't surprise me to see this game decided by some sort of fluke bounce/play/call that results in a 3 point win/loss that is highly disputed.You can then bet on the rematch being the Thursday night opener for whatever team wins the super bowl..and they will...

 

[Drifter]

So are we going to get a sig bet going?

 

[[icon]]

So are we going to get a sig bet going?

I'm on board..... I'll set up us the thread if needed....

 

[Drifter]

,Jan 19 2005, 09:46 AM]

So are we going to get a sig bet going?

I'm on board..... I'll set up us the thread if needed....

Go for it.Let's say the sig stays until the Pro Bowl and let's keep the sigs respectful. This game is too good a matchup and too classic a game to have a degenerate sig bet.

 

[fred_1_15301]

,Jan 19 2005, 09:46 AM]

So are we going to get a sig bet going?

I'm on board..... I'll set up us the thread if needed....

Go for it.Let's say the sig stays until the Pro Bowl and let's keep the sigs respectful. This game is too good a matchup and too classic a game to have a degenerate sig bet.

Yeah I really don't see the point of a sig bet for this game. First off, I think fans of both teams in this forum have been respectful for the most part. Second, I think most would agree that either one of these 2 teams would be worthy of a superbowl ring in most years. The loser of this game has nothing to be ashamed of (as a sig bet would probably indicate). It's not that I'm afraid of my team losing (because quite honestly I have no idea what's going to happen) but I guess I just don't see the purpose of a sig bet in this instance. It made more sense with the Pats/Colts because of all the trash talking and because the Colts had something to prove.

 

[Drifter]

,Jan 19 2005, 09:46 AM]

So are we going to get a sig bet going?

I'm on board..... I'll set up us the thread if needed....

Go for it.Let's say the sig stays until the Pro Bowl and let's keep the sigs respectful. This game is too good a matchup and too classic a game to have a degenerate sig bet.

Yeah I really don't see the point of a sig bet for this game. First off, I think fans of both teams in this forum have been respectful for the most part. Second, I think most would agree that either one of these 2 teams would be worthy of a superbowl ring in most years. The loser of this game has nothing to be ashamed of (as a sig bet would probably indicate). It's not that I'm afraid of my team losing (because quite honestly I have no idea what's going to happen) but I guess I just don't see the purpose of a sig bet in this instance. It made more sense with the Pats/Colts because of all the trash talking and because the Colts had something to prove.

It's just because I'd like to see the Pats fans eat a little crow after we win

 

[fred_1_15301]

,Jan 19 2005, 09:46 AM]

So are we going to get a sig bet going?

I'm on board..... I'll set up us the thread if needed....

Go for it.Let's say the sig stays until the Pro Bowl and let's keep the sigs respectful. This game is too good a matchup and too classic a game to have a degenerate sig bet.

Yeah I really don't see the point of a sig bet for this game. First off, I think fans of both teams in this forum have been respectful for the most part. Second, I think most would agree that either one of these 2 teams would be worthy of a superbowl ring in most years. The loser of this game has nothing to be ashamed of (as a sig bet would probably indicate). It's not that I'm afraid of my team losing (because quite honestly I have no idea what's going to happen) but I guess I just don't see the purpose of a sig bet in this instance. It made more sense with the Pats/Colts because of all the trash talking and because the Colts had something to prove.

It's just because I'd like to see the Pats fans eat a little crow after we win

from one steeler fan to another. Be careful what you wish for.

 

[Drifter]

]

So are we going to get a sig bet going?

I'm on board..... I'll set up us the thread if needed....

Go for it.Let's say the sig stays until the Pro Bowl and let's keep the sigs respectful. This game is too good a matchup and too classic a game to have a degenerate sig bet.

Yeah I really don't see the point of a sig bet for this game. First off, I think fans of both teams in this forum have been respectful for the most part. Second, I think most would agree that either one of these 2 teams would be worthy of a superbowl ring in most years. The loser of this game has nothing to be ashamed of (as a sig bet would probably indicate). It's not that I'm afraid of my team losing (because quite honestly I have no idea what's going to happen) but I guess I just don't see the purpose of a sig bet in this instance. It made more sense with the Pats/Colts because of all the trash talking and because the Colts had something to prove.

It's just because I'd like to see the Pats fans eat a little crow after we win

from one steeler fan to another. Be careful what you wish for.

Oh I'm not saying we're a sure thing, I just think it will be harder for the Pats fans to accept defeat than the Steelers - even though I will be majorly disapointed if it's the Steelers.

 

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Regardless....I agree that the sigs should be respectful in this case.... I agree both fans know that there is no clear-cut favorite in this game and it's gonna be a great one.

 

[Varmint]

I'm in for a sig bet..... :stillers:

 

[Statorama]

C'mon, if Cowher couldn't win a title with Kordell Stewart, how do you expect him to win one now?

 

[Vivian Darkbloom]

Oh I'm not saying we're a sure thing, I just think it will be harder for the Pats fans to accept defeat than the Steelers...

I think I agree with this.Around Pittsburgh, many -- myself included -- are of course thrilled with the season we've had, but nearly disbelieving. This was supposed to be a .500 team before we lost our QB and the anchor of our defense. If you'd told me this was a playoff team, I'd have called you crazy. If you'd have said 15-1 and a spot in the AFCC, you wouldn't have even been worth the time to laugh at.

Pats fans, on the other hand, have dynasty in their eyes. They're defending champs, playoff seasoned, a road favorite, and they have the greatest defensive schemer in modern NFL history prowling the sidelines, about to face a struggling rookie QB. They're playing with legacy on the line, and are expected to win.

We're playing with the casino's money. The fans are excited, but not all that tense. The team should be loose and easy, playing like they have nothing to lose and aren't expected to win -- they don't, and they aren't. The only person who is going to be wired like a gerbil on a three day espresso jag is Cowher.

Should be fun.