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New England @ Pittsburgh (2 Viewers)

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Oh I'm not saying we're a sure thing, I just think it will be harder for the Pats fans to accept defeat than the Steelers...
I think I agree with this.Around Pittsburgh, many -- myself included -- are of course thrilled with the season we've had, but nearly disbelieving. This was supposed to be a .500 team before we lost our QB and the anchor of our defense. If you'd told me this was a playoff team, I'd have called you crazy. If you'd have said 15-1 and a spot in the AFCC, you wouldn't have even been worth the time to laugh at.

Pats fans, on the other hand, have dynasty in their eyes. They're defending champs, playoff seasoned, a road favorite, and they have the greatest defensive schemer in modern NFL history prowling the sidelines, about to face a struggling rookie QB. They're playing with legacy on the line, and are expected to win.

We're playing with the casino's money. The fans are excited, but not all that tense. The team should be loose and easy, playing like they have nothing to lose and aren't expected to win -- they don't, and they aren't. The only person who is going to be wired like a gerbil on a three day espresso jag is Cowher.

Should be fun.
Listen.....while I think you make some excellent points. I dont think a comparison could be made. Yes, I would be disappointed just like any fan, but most fans wouldnt have the luxury of 2 Superbowls and a record breaking streak. Me and most of my friends agree that while it would suck to lose this year....it has been a great run and nothing lasts forever.
 
Oh I'm not saying we're a sure thing, I just think it will be harder for the Pats fans to accept defeat than the Steelers...
I think I agree with this.Around Pittsburgh, many -- myself included -- are of course thrilled with the season we've had, but nearly disbelieving. This was supposed to be a .500 team before we lost our QB and the anchor of our defense. If you'd told me this was a playoff team, I'd have called you crazy. If you'd have said 15-1 and a spot in the AFCC, you wouldn't have even been worth the time to laugh at.

Pats fans, on the other hand, have dynasty in their eyes. They're defending champs, playoff seasoned, a road favorite, and they have the greatest defensive schemer in modern NFL history prowling the sidelines, about to face a struggling rookie QB. They're playing with legacy on the line, and are expected to win.

We're playing with the casino's money. The fans are excited, but not all that tense. The team should be loose and easy, playing like they have nothing to lose and aren't expected to win -- they don't, and they aren't. The only person who is going to be wired like a gerbil on a three day espresso jag is Cowher.

Should be fun.
Listen.....while I think you make some excellent points. I dont think a comparison could be made. Yes, I would be disappointed just like any fan, but most fans wouldnt have the luxury of 2 Superbowls and a record breaking streak. Me and most of my friends agree that while it would suck to lose this year....it has been a great run and nothing lasts forever.
I'm a steeler fan and I can assure you that anything shy of a superbowl victory would be devastating. With the kind of year the Steelers have had, expectations are extremely high regardless of who they have to beat to accomplish their goals. The Pats are a great team but the city still expects a victory this Sunday. Anything else would be considered a huge disappointment.
 
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story...=fleming/050119
FOR WHOM THE BEN TOLLSBy David FlemingPage 2Maybe it was when the Ben Roethlisberger dog sweaters went on sale on eBay. Maybe it was the release of Big Ben's Beef Jerky, the rumors about golf hottie Natalie Gulbis, the team record $12 million he earned this season, or the story of the academic recruiter from his alma mater (and mine) at Miami University in Oxford, Ohio, who introduced herself to a prospective student in Texas and was greeted by the reply, "Hey, that's where Big Ben is from, right? Cool."To be honest, I'm not exactly sure when it happened. But at some point during the last month while I was reporting a story on the Steelers' preternaturally-poised QB for this week's ESPN The Magazine, Ben Roethlisberger became a full-blown phenom.At first, I thought it was when he set the record for consecutive wins to start an NFL career, or when he became the first quarterback to win rookie of the year. Maybe it was when Dan Marino said the kid reminds him of ... himself. Or the realization that at 22, Ben should be heading to Florida for his senior year spring break instead of trying to get the Steelers to Jacksonville for Super Bowl XXXIX.Or, maybe, it was when the normally steel-chinned coach Bill Cowher gushed about the kid after his comeback win in Jacksonville on Dec. 5. After that game, I was standing near the team bus next to a fan holding a "WE'LL BE BACK" sign, watching as Jerome Bettis introduced Ben to some family members in a gesture that seemed an awful lot like a passing of the torch.But then, a week later, I was driving in Brenda Roethlisberger's blue Honda on the way to Findlay High School in northwest Ohio. We were headed to pick up Ben's little sister Carlee (the "real" athlete of the family, if you ask the rook) when Ben's mom told me how a Swiss TV crew had recently come all the way to Ohio after tracing the Roethlisberger family lineage back to Switzerland in the 1670s.OK, I thought: Forget the 99.4 passer rating, the Big Ben ring tones and the grotesque Roethlis-burgers -- this has to be the moment. His mom certainly agreed."This 'Ben Mania' stuff has all been a bit surreal," Brenda said that day. "We're still pinching ourselves; but it's also been hard to adjust so quickly to all this, hard to learn how to share Ben with everyone. You know, as parents, we always told Ben to start from the bottom, work hard, scrimp and save and, some day, you'll land a good job and have a meaningful life. Well, I guess we were right. But who could have imagined this?"Findlay is a classic Midwestern town 45 miles south of Toledo, where you can still see old Mail Pouch tobacco ads on the side of the town's brick buildings. It's quaint. Hard-working. Proud. And if you want to know where Roethlisberger's poised, humble, down-to-earth style comes from -- the kind that has changed the long-held notion that you can't win in the NFL with a kid under center -- well, it's all right here.Look around the Roethlisbergers' modest ranch home south of town. There's a chocolate Lab scratching at the back door. A scented candle burns in the living room. A pie hutch. A stand-up piano and tons of holiday knick-knacks. Before dreaming of the NFL, Ben wanted to be an FBI agent. He once set up a zip line from a tree to the front porch. It didn't hold. "That one hurt," he says with a laugh. But the only athletic memento of any kind is a blue and gold sign out front supporting Carlee's hoops team. (They were 7-1 when I was there.)"I think my success does have a lot to do with where I grew up, my family and how I was raised," says Ben. "I mean, if I could be half the man my dad (Ken) is, I'd be extremely happy. He's taught me so much about football, about life, religion, family, love, everything. He's a leader in the real world. He's the coolest, calmest, most collected guy I know. Whatever I am, I hope it's a tribute to him."Ken was a quarterback at Georgia Tech who switched to baseball after a knee injury. (He's now a vice president with Filtech, a company that manufactures filters for Honda.) Ben did him one better: he was a three-sport star at Findlay and the Trojans' all-time leading scorer in basketball. Just like Donovan McNabb and Doug Flutie before him, Ben's time as a point guard -- the footwork, reading defenses, distributing the ball, feeling where his players were going -- served him well later as a quarterback.This is where he first picked up his unique swagger: oozing confidence without it spilling over into cockiness. (It's an art, really, and Mike Vick is the only QB I've seen who is better at it.) As a sophomore point guard at Findlay High, Ben used to engage the refs in conversation before the start of the third quarter. He'd ask about some obscure rule, hoping that in the ensuing confusion the refs would just hand him the ball out of bounds without first checking the possession arrow. Every once in a while, it actually worked."Even when he was 15, Ben had a quiet command about him," says Findlay's gracious athletic director Jerry Snodgrass, the Trojans' former hoops coach who, talk about your small worlds, I think I once covered as a student intern at the Mason (Ohio) Pulse-Journal. (Yeah, it's every bit as prestigious as it sounds.) "One of the reasons Ben seems so calm is that he's always been a step ahead of everyone, always looking for an edge, even with the refs."He rarely needed it. He had to wait until his senior year to play quarterback, but in his first game Roethlisberger threw six TDs. The RedHawks offered him a scholarship the next day. (Although it took much longer for Miami's equipment guys to figure out how to fit R-o-e-t-h-l-i-s-b-e-r-g-e-r on the back of his jersey. Which still beats former Ohio State coach John Cooper, who never quite got his name right. The closest he came while he recruited Ben was "Ronthisbergler.")Pretty soon, scouts visiting Oxford would swear that Roethlisberger's throwing motion was so fluid and mechanically flawless that they could hear music when he flung the rock. "Someone once asked me what kind of music it was," says former Miami coach Terry Hoeppner, now the coach at Indiana. "How should I know? I don't know, how about the school fight song ... ?"Besides the quick feet and cannon arm, Roethlisberger's roommate, Mike Larkin, was among the first to experience that preternatural poise. After getting pounded by LSU as a sophomore, Roethlisberger sat down and wrote a congratulatory e-mail to former LSU coach Nick Saban. The next season, when the RedHawks lost to Iowa, Hoeppner raced to the postgame press conference to try to cut off his quarterback, who was already at the podium taking full responsibility for the loss. The RedHawks went on to win their next 13 games in a row, and finished 10th in the final AP poll. (Thus allowing me the pleasure of, at least once a week, asking my older brother Greg, a Notre Dame grad, just how bad he thinks my RedHawks would have pounded his Irish that season.)About this time, Larkin was beginning to sense that his roomie would leave school early for the NFL."If you want me to stay, I'll stay, just say the word," Roethlisberger told him after the announcement."Naw, man, are you crazy?" Larkin responded. "You gotta go."(Is it too much? Is it all too much? Well, I, too, was skeptical about this preponderance of goody-goody stuff surrounding Big Ben ... until I uncovered this anecdote from a teammate at Miami: He was hanging out with Ben in Houston at last year's Super Bowl when they discovered that Ben had a ticket to the Playboy party and he didn't. Ben refused to go in without his buddy. He's an idiot, of course. It was a huge mistake. Rookie. I would have chop-blocked my buddy on the way to the door. But after that story, that was it for me. I was sold.)Like the rest of us, Larkin wanted to see Ben flat-out lose it -- just once. Pretty soon, an all-out roommate war ensued. Larkin tried everything. He ate his food. He switched off the TV in the middle of his video games. He put him in headlocks. He even flicked his ears on the team bus. "I broke every roommate rule known to man to try and get to him, but nothing worked," says Larkin, the school's all-time leading receiver who will be on some smart GM's roster next season. "But Ben just has this weird calm to him no matter what's going on around him. I was the one who ended up snapping."Ben didn't snap at the draft when the Giants passed him over. He didn't snap when his first throw as a pro was picked off. Or when his first start came in the middle of Hurricane Jeanne. He didn't flinch against Parcells, Belichick, Reid or Gibbs. Yes, the Steelers have the perfect system in place for a rookie quarterback -- a dominant defense, a classy, supportive veteran backup QB (for which Tommy Maddox doesn't get nearly enough credit) and a freakishly-lopsided run/pass ratio on offense. And, yes, he struggled tremendously against the Jets. His fundamentals made him look like he was living that dream we all have where you show up to school in your pajamas. But here's the kicker: he never once lost his poise during that game.In fact, teammates say that in the huddle before the game-tying drive in the fourth quarter and the game-winner in the OT (he went a combined 6 of 8 with three third-down conversions, a 20-yard scramble and a TD pass), Roethlisberger acted more like a guy who had thrown for 400 yards. "If anyone had a question about whether or not his poise was for real, he answered that," says Steelers o-coord Ken Whisenhunt. "He struggled, but he stayed strong. He was never flustered."Could anything, I wondered, ever rattle the kid?I posed that question to Geoff Miller, a partner in Winning Mind, a San Diego firm that specializes in training CEOs and Special Ops forces on how to excel in the most stressful situations. Roethlisberger's rookie season has been the talk of Miller's profession. And he figured, if I poked around long enough, I'd find something -- public speaking, spiders, Iron City beer -- that makes the kid nervous.So the last time I was in Pittsburgh, Ben and I sat down to talk in the glass atrium lobby of the team's practice facility on the shores of the khaki-colored Monongahela River. After leaving a few voice mails for Hoeppner and his old teammates at Miami, Ben agreed to an impromptu pressure quiz.Attempt No. 1: "What if coach Hite took over for Cowher ... ?"Laughter.Attempt No. 2: "Here's Ben Roethlisberger standing over a 25-foot putt to win the US Open ... "Nothing.Attempt No. 3: "No rookie has ever led a team to the Super Bowl."He checks his cell phone. His boredom is palpable.Attempt No. 4: "You guys just barely snuck by the Redskins ... ""Jerome (Bettis) says I was whistling in the huddle," he says. "I don't remember doing that. It might have been 'Jingle Bells' for all I know."Attempt No. 5: "OK, clear your mind. Last one ... TARA REID!"He shifts in his seat. Chews his pencil-thin goatee a bit. Is that a smile? A nervous smile?"OK, maybe," he says. "There might be some nerves there. Maybe. If I'm talking to a pretty girl, yeah, maybe. I'm human."I'm not so sure.But Bill Belichick and his budding dynasty better hope so.
 
These teams play the same style should be a girnd..Like the stellers running game better pitt 23 ne 21
Could someone please let me know what language this is so I can run it through babelfish and figure out what the hell he's trying to say?TIA
 
,Jan 19 2005, 05:51 PM]

These teams play the same style should be a girnd..Like the stellers running game better pitt 23 ne 21
Could someone please let me know what language this is so I can run it through babelfish and figure out what the hell he's trying to say?TIA
ye mean yunz can't speek southwestern PA dialect? mmmhaaa oye say it aint so.
 
Schottenheimer, on the other hand, is often the prime suspect when his teams crumble in the post-season. HE gets conservative with the playcalling. HE calls for running the ball into the pile three straight times.
This is wrong. Cowher DOES do these things, as I pointed out in this thread.I'll bump it in case you missed it.
For example, they beat the Bengals 19-14. They had one drive in the 4th where they got called for holding on a run and it was 1st and 20. The Steelers just went ahead and ran the ball three more times anyway. They gained 2, 1, and 3 yards to make it 4th and 14. Then they punted it back leading only 17-14. Cowher just sat on the ball up by 3. Turns out they pinned the Bengals to their 8 on the punt. The Bengals then committed a penalty in the end zone to make it a safety.
 
,Jan 19 2005, 09:46 AM]

So are we going to get a sig bet going?
I'm on board..... I'll set up us the thread if needed....
Go for it.Let's say the sig stays until the Pro Bowl and let's keep the sigs respectful. This game is too good a matchup and too classic a game to have a degenerate sig bet.
Well its too late for that.Steelers fans were crowning themselves super bowl champs in the regular season on this board, so I bagged a few sig bets where they win if the Steelers win the super bowl and I win if the field wins it.They will get a sig suitable to their big mouths.
 
Schottenheimer, on the other hand, is often the prime suspect when his teams crumble in the post-season. HE gets conservative with the playcalling. HE calls for running the ball into the pile three straight times.
This is wrong. Cowher DOES do these things, as I pointed out in this thread.I'll bump it in case you missed it.
For example, they beat the Bengals 19-14. They had one drive in the 4th where they got called for holding on a run and it was 1st and 20. The Steelers just went ahead and ran the ball three more times anyway. They gained 2, 1, and 3 yards to make it 4th and 14. Then they punted it back leading only 17-14. Cowher just sat on the ball up by 3. Turns out they pinned the Bengals to their 8 on the punt. The Bengals then committed a penalty in the end zone to make it a safety.
One of your examples was the Bengals game, and it wasn't a case of coaching not to lose.The Steelers had the ball near midfield, a 3 point lead with about 6 minutes left, a defense that had dominated the game, and a 10 yard holding penalty making it 1st and long. It was a MUCH smarter move to run it three times and try to pin the Bengals deep than to risk a sack/fumble or interception that would give the Bengals excellent field position. He's got a great defense - he used it. So, they punted, pinned the Bengals back within the 10 yard line, and won the game. There's a reason why Cowher has fantastic winning percentages in games decided under 10, 7, and 3 points. But in your endless attempts to bash Cowher and the Steelers, you normally twist things like that.
 
Schottenheimer, on the other hand, is often the prime suspect when his teams crumble in the post-season. HE gets conservative with the playcalling. HE calls for running the ball into the pile three straight times.
This is wrong. Cowher DOES do these things, as I pointed out in this thread.I'll bump it in case you missed it.
For example, they beat the Bengals 19-14. They had one drive in the 4th where they got called for holding on a run and it was 1st and 20. The Steelers just went ahead and ran the ball three more times anyway. They gained 2, 1, and 3 yards to make it 4th and 14. Then they punted it back leading only 17-14. Cowher just sat on the ball up by 3. Turns out they pinned the Bengals to their 8 on the punt. The Bengals then committed a penalty in the end zone to make it a safety.
One of your examples was the Bengals game, and it wasn't a case of coaching not to lose.The Steelers had the ball near midfield, a 3 point lead with about 6 minutes left, a defense that had dominated the game, and a 10 yard holding penalty making it 1st and long. It was a MUCH smarter move to run it three times and try to pin the Bengals deep than to risk a sack/fumble or interception that would give the Bengals excellent field position. He's got a great defense - he used it. So, they punted, pinned the Bengals back within the 10 yard line, and won the game. There's a reason why Cowher has fantastic winning percentages in games decided under 10, 7, and 3 points. But in your endless attempts to bash Cowher and the Steelers, you normally twist things like that.
I dont even know why you are bothering. He clearly just can not or chooses not to understand that some teams and coaches TRUST their D to win football games.I cant blame him though. The NFL seem intent on finding every way possible to make this only a thing of the past. :thumbdown:
 
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Schottenheimer, on the other hand, is often the prime suspect when his teams crumble in the post-season. HE gets conservative with the playcalling. HE calls for running the ball into the pile three straight times.
This is wrong. Cowher DOES do these things, as I pointed out in this thread.I'll bump it in case you missed it.

For example, they beat the Bengals 19-14. They had one drive in the 4th where they got called for holding on a run and it was 1st and 20. The Steelers just went ahead and ran the ball three more times anyway. They gained 2, 1, and 3 yards to make it 4th and 14. Then they punted it back leading only 17-14. Cowher just sat on the ball up by 3. Turns out they pinned the Bengals to their 8 on the punt. The Bengals then committed a penalty in the end zone to make it a safety.
Great example, numbnuts. Once again you are clueless.Rather than look at a meaningless game against the Bungholes which they won anyway, let's look at two of the biggest games in Cowher's career:

The Super Bowl (the NFL Championship for you Browns fans) Cowher called an on-sides kick in the middle of the 3rd quarter which the Steelers recovered.

Cowher's first game as coach of the Steelers He called a fake punt against the hated Oilers to win the game.

 
My guess is the game opens up with the Patriots playing a bit of 4-4 on defense. An actual 4-4 and not just Rodney as the 4th LB. Seeing Big Ben the last month or so, he is not the same player that put it to the Patriots early in the first meeting. They make Big Ben prove his arm at least once deep or on a consistent drive before even giving the pass any respect.If Big Ben goes deep accurately, the game is over. However, I feel it will be hit and miss and those misses will result in a couple turnovers. The run will be effective but won't be consistent as long as Big Ben isn't passing consistently. The Steelers will have a mix of 3 and out (or 1 first down) drives mixed with a couple turnovers and a few scores. Their offense will amount to 13 points.Brady will throw one bad interception but probably play mistake free otherwise. The Pats will get one easy score of a Big Ben turnover. They will struggle offensively otherwise. However, I see a return touchdown for the Pats as well and that Pats take it 17-13.But like I said, if Big Ben is accurate, the game is over.Side note: Watched the NFL network review of last year's playoffs as I was typing. Harrison was talking about the Super Bowl and how Delhomme had given the Panthers the lead. He said that a teammate just told him, "We have Brady". And that is all he needed to hear to know they would win.

 
Steelers are a 16-1, undefeated at home team who are underdogs in the playoffs. The motivation will be there for the Steelers. I encourage all fellow Steelers fans to join me in silence about the game from now until it is over. We all have provided our reasoning and evidence why the Steelers can and will win this week, Patsies have countered, and everybody claims those waving :stillers: are wearing blinders.I say, us Steelers fans avoid this nonsense, wave our :stillers:, and watch a great game on Sunday. They will speak for us on the gridiron.:stillers:

 
Steelers are a 16-1, undefeated at home team who are underdogs in the playoffs. The motivation will be there for the Steelers. I encourage all fellow Steelers fans to join me in silence about the game from now until it is over. We all have provided our reasoning and evidence why the Steelers can and will win this week, Patsies have countered, and everybody claims those waving :stillers: are wearing blinders.I say, us Steelers fans avoid this nonsense, wave our :stillers:, and watch a great game on Sunday. They will speak for us on the gridiron.:stillers:
:stillers:
 
There have only been 4 times when a Conference Championship has had a Road Favorite......3 of those 4 Times, the Road Favorite Won....In 1998 One of The Home Dogs that lost? You Guessed it.... the :stillers:

 
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,Jan 20 2005, 11:12 AM]There have only been 4 times when a Conference Championship has had a Road Favorite......3 of those 4 Times, the Road Favorite Won....In 1998 One of The Home Dogs that lost? You Guessed it.... the :stillers:
Thanks for that completely meaningless stat.Will the Steelers pull an unprecedented move by replacing their current roster with the players from the 1998 squad for this big game?
 
,Jan 20 2005, 11:12 AM]There have only been 4 times when a Conference Championship has had a Road Favorite......

3 of those 4 Times, the Road Favorite Won....

In 1998 One of The Home Dogs that lost? You Guessed it.... the :stillers:
Thanks for that completely meaningless stat.Will the Steelers pull an unprecedented move by replacing their current roster with the players from the 1998 squad for this big game?
Not only is it meaningless, it's flat out wrong:AFC Home Dogs are 3-3 in the Championship round

NFC Home Dogs are 4-3 in the Championship round

http://www.goldsheet.com/

AFC CHAMPIONSHIP RESULTS

HOME TEAM IN CAPS

2003 NEW ENGLAND (-3) 24 - Indianapolis 14

2002 OAKLAND (-8) 41 - Tennessee 24

2001 New England (+10) 24 - PITTSBURGH 17

2000 Baltimore (+6) 16 - OAKLAND 3

1999 Tennessee (+7) 33 - JACKSONVILLE 14

1998 DENVER (-9) 23 - N.Y. Jets 10

1997 Denver (-2½) 24 - PITTSBURGH 21

1996 NEW ENGLAND (-7) 20 - Jacksonville 6

1995 PITTSBURGH (-11½) 20 - Indianapolis 16

1994 San Diego (+9) 17 - PITTSBURGH 13

1993 BUFFALO (-3) 30 - Kansas City 13

1992 Buffalo (-2½) 29 - MIAMI 10

1991 BUFFALO (-11½) 10 - Denver 7

1990 BUFFALO (-7) 51 - L.A. Raiders 3

1989 DENVER (-3½) 37 - Cleveland 21

1988 CINCINNATI (-4½) 21 - Buffalo 10

1987 DENVER (-3) 38 - Cleveland 33

1986 Denver (+3) 23 - CLEVELAND 20 (OT)

1985 New England (+5½) 31 - MIAMI 14

1984 MIAMI (-9½) 45 - Pittsburgh 28

1983 L.A. RAIDERS (-7½) 30 - Seattle 14

1982 MIAMI (-2) 14 - N.Y. Jets 0

1981 CINCINNATI (-4½) 27 - San Diego 7

1980 Oakland (+4) 34 - SAN DIEGO 27

1979 PITTSBURGH (-9½) 27 - Houston 13

1978 PITTSBURGH (-7) 34 - Houston 5

1977 DENVER (+3½) 20 - Oakland 17

1976 OAKLAND (+4½) 24 - Pittsburgh 7

1975 PITTSBURGH (-6) 16 - Oakland 10

1974 Pittsburgh (+5½) 24 - OAKLAND 13

1973 MIAMI (-6½) 27 - Oakland 10

1972 Miami (-2½) 21 - PITTSBURGH 17

1971 MIAMI (-1½) 21 - Baltimore 0

1970 BALTIMORE (+1) 27 - Oakland 17

NFC CHAMPIONSHIP RESULTS

HOME TEAM IN CAPS

2003 Carolina (+4) 14 - PHILADELPHIA 3

2002 Tampa Bay (+4) 27 - PHILADELPHIA 10

2001 ST. LOUIS (-10½) 29 - Philadelphia 24

2000 N.Y. GIANTS (+2½) 41 - Minnesota 0

1999 ST. LOUIS (-14) 11 - Tampa Bay 6

1998 Atlanta (+11) 30 - MINNESOTA 27 (OT)

1997 Green Bay (-2½) 23 - SAN FRANCISCO 10

1996 GREEN BAY (-12½) 30 - Carolina 13

1995 DALLAS (-8½) 38 - Green Bay 27

1994 SAN FRANCISCO (-7½) 38 - Dallas 28

1993 DALLAS (-3½) 38 - San Francisco 21

1992 Dallas (+4) 30 - SAN FRANCISCO 20

1991 WASHINGTON (-13½) 41 - Detroit 10

1990 N.Y. Giants (+8) 15 - SAN FRANCISCO 13

1989 SAN FRANCISCO (-7) 30 - L.A. Rams 3

1988 San Francisco (pick) 28 - CHICAGO 3

1987 WASHINGTON (-3½) 17 - Minnesota 10

1986 N.Y. GIANTS (-7½) 17 - Washington 0

1985 CHICAGO (-10½) 24 - L.A. Rams 0

1984 SAN FRANCISCO (-9) 23 - Chicago 0

1983 WASHINGTON (-10½) 24 - San Francisco 21

1982 WASHINGTON (+2) 31 - Dallas 17

1981 SAN FRANCISCO (+3) 28 - Dallas 27

1980 PHILADELPHIA (+1) 20 - Dallas 7

1979 Los Angeles (-3½) 9 - TAMPA BAY 0

1978 Dallas (-3½) 28 - LOS ANGELES 0

1977 DALLAS (-11½) 23 - Minnesota 6

1976 MINNESOTA (-4½) 24 - Los Angeles 13

1975 Dallas (+6) 37 - LOS ANGELES 7

1974 MINNESOTA (-4) 14 - Los Angeles 10

1973 Minnesota (+1) 27 - DALLAS 10

1972 WASHINGTON (-3) 26 - Dallas 3

1971 DALLAS (-7½) 14 - San Francisco 3

1970 Dallas (+4) 17 - SAN FRANCISCO 10

 
,Jan 20 2005, 11:12 AM]There have only been 4 times when a Conference Championship has had a Road Favorite......

3 of those 4 Times, the Road Favorite Won....

In 1998 One of The Home Dogs that lost? You Guessed it.... the :stillers:
Thanks for that completely meaningless stat.Will the Steelers pull an unprecedented move by replacing their current roster with the players from the 1998 squad for this big game?
Not only is it meaningless, it's flat out wrong:AFC Home Dogs are 3-3 in the Championship round

NFC Home Dogs are 4-3 in the Championship round

http://www.goldsheet.com/

AFC CHAMPIONSHIP RESULTS

HOME TEAM IN CAPS

2003 NEW ENGLAND (-3) 24 - Indianapolis 14

2002 OAKLAND (-8) 41 - Tennessee 24

2001 New England (+10) 24 - PITTSBURGH 17

2000 Baltimore (+6) 16 - OAKLAND 3

1999 Tennessee (+7) 33 - JACKSONVILLE 14

1998 DENVER (-9) 23 - N.Y. Jets 10

1997 Denver (-2½) 24 - PITTSBURGH 21

1996 NEW ENGLAND (-7) 20 - Jacksonville 6

1995 PITTSBURGH (-11½) 20 - Indianapolis 16

1994 San Diego (+9) 17 - PITTSBURGH 13

1993 BUFFALO (-3) 30 - Kansas City 13

1992 Buffalo (-2½) 29 - MIAMI 10

1991 BUFFALO (-11½) 10 - Denver 7

1990 BUFFALO (-7) 51 - L.A. Raiders 3

1989 DENVER (-3½) 37 - Cleveland 21

1988 CINCINNATI (-4½) 21 - Buffalo 10

1987 DENVER (-3) 38 - Cleveland 33

1986 Denver (+3) 23 - CLEVELAND 20 (OT)

1985 New England (+5½) 31 - MIAMI 14

1984 MIAMI (-9½) 45 - Pittsburgh 28

1983 L.A. RAIDERS (-7½) 30 - Seattle 14

1982 MIAMI (-2) 14 - N.Y. Jets 0

1981 CINCINNATI (-4½) 27 - San Diego 7

1980 Oakland (+4) 34 - SAN DIEGO 27

1979 PITTSBURGH (-9½) 27 - Houston 13

1978 PITTSBURGH (-7) 34 - Houston 5

1977 DENVER (+3½) 20 - Oakland 17

1976 OAKLAND (+4½) 24 - Pittsburgh 7

1975 PITTSBURGH (-6) 16 - Oakland 10

1974 Pittsburgh (+5½) 24 - OAKLAND 13

1973 MIAMI (-6½) 27 - Oakland 10

1972 Miami (-2½) 21 - PITTSBURGH 17

1971 MIAMI (-1½) 21 - Baltimore 0

1970 BALTIMORE (+1) 27 - Oakland 17

NFC CHAMPIONSHIP RESULTS

HOME TEAM IN CAPS

2003 Carolina (+4) 14 - PHILADELPHIA 3

2002 Tampa Bay (+4) 27 - PHILADELPHIA 10

2001 ST. LOUIS (-10½) 29 - Philadelphia 24

2000 N.Y. GIANTS (+2½) 41 - Minnesota 0

1999 ST. LOUIS (-14) 11 - Tampa Bay 6

1998 Atlanta (+11) 30 - MINNESOTA 27 (OT)

1997 Green Bay (-2½) 23 - SAN FRANCISCO 10

1996 GREEN BAY (-12½) 30 - Carolina 13

1995 DALLAS (-8½) 38 - Green Bay 27

1994 SAN FRANCISCO (-7½) 38 - Dallas 28

1993 DALLAS (-3½) 38 - San Francisco 21

1992 Dallas (+4) 30 - SAN FRANCISCO 20

1991 WASHINGTON (-13½) 41 - Detroit 10

1990 N.Y. Giants (+8) 15 - SAN FRANCISCO 13

1989 SAN FRANCISCO (-7) 30 - L.A. Rams 3

1988 San Francisco (pick) 28 - CHICAGO 3

1987 WASHINGTON (-3½) 17 - Minnesota 10

1986 N.Y. GIANTS (-7½) 17 - Washington 0

1985 CHICAGO (-10½) 24 - L.A. Rams 0

1984 SAN FRANCISCO (-9) 23 - Chicago 0

1983 WASHINGTON (-10½) 24 - San Francisco 21

1982 WASHINGTON (+2) 31 - Dallas 17

1981 SAN FRANCISCO (+3) 28 - Dallas 27

1980 PHILADELPHIA (+1) 20 - Dallas 7

1979 Los Angeles (-3½) 9 - TAMPA BAY 0

1978 Dallas (-3½) 28 - LOS ANGELES 0

1977 DALLAS (-11½) 23 - Minnesota 6

1976 MINNESOTA (-4½) 24 - Los Angeles 13

1975 Dallas (+6) 37 - LOS ANGELES 7

1974 MINNESOTA (-4) 14 - Los Angeles 10

1973 Minnesota (+1) 27 - DALLAS 10

1972 WASHINGTON (-3) 26 - Dallas 3

1971 DALLAS (-7½) 14 - San Francisco 3

1970 Dallas (+4) 17 - SAN FRANCISCO 10
steelers and pats fans have been crunching numbers all week long. Why can't we just stop and appreciate this game for what it's worth---a battle between the top 2 teams in the nfl. Numbers won't predict the outcome of this game---the team that shows up will.
 
Not only is it meaningless, it's flat out wrong:
Sorry..as stated in my thread, my stats were from 1990 on (I pulled it from a chart on the front page of USA Today this morning. I agree it's irrelevant....other than that Vegas opening lines are pretty accurate these days. :)

Just stirring the pot a little :fishy:

 
Don't stop the banter Pats and Steelers fans. It's right that you should both be backing your team and giving us reasons for victory,your teams have earned you the right to talk. I'm not a fan of either team just an average NFL fan anticipating a great AFC Championship game. I think BOTH teams wil "show up" and with the added weather element thrown in we could see a beauty on Sunday. I hope the temps are cold and the snow is falling,I'll enjoy the game even more sitting in my recliner with the door open to the pool area here in "chilly" Florida,we might hit 70 on Sunday,brrrrr. As an impartial observer I like the Pats in this one,close most of the day but in the end I'll say Pats win by 10 or more. Just my 2 cents.

 
You gotta love this game cause no matter who wins it's gonna seem so obvious afterwards."Of course New England won. They're defending champs, Belichick's a genius and is 13-0 with the Patriots when facing a quarterback for the second time in a season.""Of course Pittsburgh won. They were 15-1, Roeth is undefeated and the Steelers already showed they could dominate New England earlier this season."I have a season long future on New England winning the AFC so that's where my hopes are but I will say that making Pittsburgh a home dog (+130 moneyline) is too good to pass on in a game that is essentially a coin flip. The public has fallen hard for the Patriots since they took out the public's initial favorite Indy. Meanwhile they're starting to doubt the Steelers because of Jets game. However I think that Jets game last week was the game where the Steelers should have lost. Doug Brien has given them a 2nd life. And since losing to New England wouldn't be choking, it sort of takes the pressure off the Steelers to just play football.Can't wait till Sunday.

 
with the added weather element thrown in we could see a beauty on Sunday. I hope the temps are cold and the snow is falling,I'll enjoy the game even more sitting in my recliner with the door open to the pool area here in "chilly" Florida,we might hit 70 on Sunday,brrrrr.
The National Weather Service just posted a "Winter Storm Warning" predicting 6 inches of snow for Saturday in Pittsburgh, with temperatures in the mid 20's. No mention of Sunday.....yet.
 
with the added weather element thrown in we could see a beauty on Sunday. I hope the temps are cold and the snow is falling,I'll enjoy the game even more sitting in my recliner with the door open to the pool area here in "chilly" Florida,we might hit 70 on Sunday,brrrrr.
The National Weather Service just posted a "Winter Storm Warning" predicting 6 inches of snow for Saturday in Pittsburgh, with temperatures in the mid 20's. No mention of Sunday.....yet.
Not a very big factor for either team.... Agree?
 
with the added weather element thrown in we could see a beauty on Sunday. I hope the temps are cold and the snow is falling,I'll enjoy the game even more sitting in my recliner with the door open to the pool area here in "chilly" Florida,we might hit 70 on Sunday,brrrrr.
The National Weather Service just posted a "Winter Storm Warning" predicting 6 inches of snow for Saturday in Pittsburgh, with temperatures in the mid 20's. No mention of Sunday.....yet.
Not a very big factor for either team.... Agree?
IMHO a slight advantage to New England as it will limit Ben's big play ability downfield if it's still driving snow/windy, whereas NE's offense is primarily shorter passes designed to perform well in these conditions. Also, I read somewhere that Ben has had some problems in the cold, requiring him to wear gloves while playing. There are some rumors circulating that this could have had something to do with his less-than stellar performances in recent games. Brady & Co have shown that they are quite comfortable in the snow and have big game experience in these conditions.
 
with the added weather element thrown in we could see a beauty on Sunday. I hope the temps are cold and the snow is falling,I'll enjoy the game even more sitting in my recliner with the door open to the pool area here in "chilly" Florida,we might hit 70 on Sunday,brrrrr.
The National Weather Service just posted a "Winter Storm Warning" predicting 6 inches of snow for Saturday in Pittsburgh, with temperatures in the mid 20's. No mention of Sunday.....yet.
Not a very big factor for either team.... Agree?
Local TV news is saying that Sunday in Pittsburgh will be a high of 18, with winds of 5-10 mph, putting the windchill around 0. Snow is supposed to taper to flurries by the afternoon.I am going freeze my a** off!!!
 
with the added weather element thrown in we could see a beauty on Sunday. I hope the temps are cold and the snow is falling,I'll enjoy the game even more sitting in my recliner with the door open to the pool area here in "chilly" Florida,we might hit 70 on Sunday,brrrrr.
The National Weather Service just posted a "Winter Storm Warning" predicting 6 inches of snow for Saturday in Pittsburgh, with temperatures in the mid 20's. No mention of Sunday.....yet.
Not a very big factor for either team.... Agree?
Local TV news is saying that Sunday in Pittsburgh will be a high of 18, with winds of 5-10 mph, putting the windchill around 0. Snow is supposed to taper to flurries by the afternoon.I am going freeze my a** off!!!
Antifreeze GB, antifreeze! :banned: :banned: :banned:
 
Steelers are a 16-1, undefeated at home team who are underdogs in the playoffs. The motivation will be there for the Steelers.

I encourage all fellow Steelers fans to join me in silence about the game from now until it is over. We all have provided our reasoning and evidence why the Steelers can and will win this week, Patsies have countered, and everybody claims those waving :stillers: are wearing blinders.

I say, us Steelers fans avoid this nonsense, wave our :stillers:, and watch a great game on Sunday. They will speak for us on the gridiron.

:stillers:
:stillers:
I think Steeler fans were wearing blinders prior to the Jets game. I tried to tell them Ben was overhyped and they jumped down my throat for it all week long.While I've not gotten any apologies, and in fact have just had Steeler fans further attack me, I do think Steeler fans have taken the blinders off to some degree. When they are willing to admit Cowher is overrated, then they are sane again.

 
Steelers are a 16-1, undefeated at home team who are underdogs in the playoffs. The motivation will be there for the Steelers.

I encourage all fellow Steelers fans to join me in silence about the game from now until it is over. We all have provided our reasoning and evidence why the Steelers can and will win this week, Patsies have countered, and everybody claims those waving :stillers: are wearing blinders.

I say, us Steelers fans avoid this nonsense, wave our :stillers:, and watch a great game on Sunday. They will speak for us on the gridiron.

:stillers:
:stillers:
I think Steeler fans were wearing blinders prior to the Jets game. I tried to tell them Ben was overhyped and they jumped down my throat for it all week long.While I've not gotten any apologies, and in fact have just had Steeler fans further attack me, I do think Steeler fans have taken the blinders off to some degree. When they are willing to admit Cowher is overrated, then they are sane again.
:censored: :lipsaresealed:

 
More interesting stats. At home the Steelers D has been pretty decent. Below are opponents drives the past 6 games at Heinz and how many have gotten in the red zone.Playoffs vs. Jets 11 drives/1 into red zoneWeek 16 vs. Balt 8 drives/1 into red zoneWeek 14 vs. Jets 10 drives/0 into red zoneWeek 12 vs. Wash 11 drives/1 into red zoneWeek 9 vs. Philly 10 drives/1 into red zoneWeek 8 vs. Pats 11 drives/2 into red zone9.8% of these opponents drives entered the red zone at Heinz.FWIW, the year-long average of the 4 remaining teams Defenses is 23.8% of all opponents drives enter the red zone.

 
When they are willing to admit Cowher is overrated, then they are sane again.
I am not sure most people would agree with that, not just Steeler fans, but most that follow the NFL.
 
Steelers are a 16-1, undefeated at home team who are underdogs in the playoffs. The motivation will be there for the Steelers.

I encourage all fellow Steelers fans to join me in silence about the game from now until it is over. We all have provided our reasoning and evidence why the Steelers can and will win this week, Patsies have countered, and everybody claims those waving :stillers: are wearing blinders.

I say, us Steelers fans avoid this nonsense, wave our :stillers:, and watch a great game on Sunday. They will speak for us on the gridiron.

:stillers:
:stillers:
I think Steeler fans were wearing blinders prior to the Jets game. I tried to tell them Ben was overhyped and they jumped down my throat for it all week long.While I've not gotten any apologies, and in fact have just had Steeler fans further attack me, I do think Steeler fans have taken the blinders off to some degree. When they are willing to admit Cowher is overrated, then they are sane again.
My god man, give it a rest already.Where were you when Roethlisberger threw for 24-30-316-1 against the Giants in week 15? And where were you when he threw for 14-19-221-2 against the Ravens in week 16? You know, during his "cold" streak based on very misleading TD-INT numbers...

QBs have bad games, and Ben had one against the Jets. Peyton had on against the Pats. Favre had one against the Vikings. It happens. It doesn't mean he's overhyped, and it doesn't diminish how well he's played this year as a QB - let alone a rookie one.

And Cowher isn't overrated at all. You're in the extreme minority on that one.

 
More interesting stats. At home the Steelers D has been pretty decent. Below are opponents drives the past 6 games at Heinz and how many have gotten in the red zone.Playoffs vs. Jets 11 drives/1 into red zoneWeek 16 vs. Balt 8 drives/1 into red zoneWeek 14 vs. Jets 10 drives/0 into red zoneWeek 12 vs. Wash 11 drives/1 into red zoneWeek 9 vs. Philly 10 drives/1 into red zoneWeek 8 vs. Pats 11 drives/2 into red zone9.8% of these opponents drives entered the red zone at Heinz.FWIW, the year-long average of the 4 remaining teams Defenses is 23.8% of all opponents drives enter the red zone.
Sweet, Pats got into the red zone the most. Liking the match up more and more this weekend..
 
Its real easy to have those kind of stats when many of the teams on that list arent very good offensively. The Jets, Bal, and Wash all had very inadequate offenses.The Pats managed 2 drives and didnt even have their regular offense......many have stated that having Dillon in the first game wouldnt have made a difference.. I have to agree that Dillon probably wouldnt have helped, because we also lost our LT-Matt Light in that game. RT-Gorin moved over to left (a position he never played).....and Gorin was the starting RT only because Ashworth was out. The OL was in shambles, so Porter and Haggans had a field day. Make no mistake about it...that OL is playing much better and blocking very well right now. Combine that with the difference maker Dillon, who is also a very good pass blocker, and this time the Pats will have a running game and will get into the redzone. This will open things up for the 2 time SB MVP and Branch (also out for 1st game) will have a great game. Good teams overcome injuries and both the Pats and Steelers have overcome injuries this season. However, even great teams dont overcome injuries overnight......how's that for optimism?

 
I don't think there are any reasonable Steelers fans who don't expect to see a better Patriots team than the one the Steelers dismantled on Halloween. Personally, I expect the Patriot's offense to be better, but not necessarily the defense as it tries to be physical with the Steelers' line and fullback.

The Halloween game means about as much now as the 2001 AFCC... diddly poo.

The Steelers were up 24-3 just before halftime and 34-10 heading into the fourth quarter, but it won't be that way this time. At least I don't expect it to be. Both teams are healthy heading into the game other than Richard Seymour, who I see as a pretty big loss on the Patriots' side.

Win or lose, it's going to be a fantastic game.

 
I don't think there are any reasonable Steelers fans who don't expect to see a better Patriots team than the one the Steelers dismantled on Halloween. Personally, I expect the Patriot's offense to be better, but not necessarily the defense as it tries to be physical with the Steelers' line and fullback.

The Halloween game means about as much now as the 2001 AFCC... diddly poo.

The Steelers were up 24-3 just before halftime and 34-10 heading into the fourth quarter, but it won't be that way this time. At least I don't expect it to be. Both teams are healthy heading into the game other than Richard Seymour, who I see as a pretty big loss on the Patriots' side.

Win or lose, it's going to be a fantastic game.
:thumbup: ...can we get this freakin game started already? I'm running out of things to discuss and the heated debates from early in the week have fizzled......I'm actually starting to think there are some cool steeler fans out there..... :yucky: OK...how about this one.....how come Steeler fans have the..... :stillers: and Viking Fans have the ...... :horns: and Packer fans have the..... :cheese: ......where's the Pats icon? No respect I tell ya.

 

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