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New Super Conference in college football (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Sinn Fein
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Credentials?Texas I can see. But, I am going to need more on SMU and A&M - I don't think they will make the final 16.TexasTexas A&MSMUIt's OK, Nebraska doesn't want to be in a conference with Texas anyway.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Notre Dame
Penn St
Ohio St
Michigan
Alabama
Auburn
LSU
Florida
Tennessee
Georgia
Oregon
USC
Texas
Florida St
Oklahoma? Nebraska? I'm sure I'm forgetting some pretty big U's. UNC has the cash if they wanted to use it.
Penn St
Ohio St
Michigan
Alabama
Auburn
LSU
Florida
Tennessee
Georgia
Oregon
USC
Texas
Florida St
Oklahoma? Nebraska? I'm sure I'm forgetting some pretty big U's. UNC has the cash if they wanted to use it.
BYU is not playing in this league - a little too cut throat imo.I'll take Alabama and Notre DameMight have to have a buy-in auction between Notre Dame and Stanford though.
FDASv2.0
Footballguy
"Death Penalty" ring a bell? SMU did it better than anyone.Credentials?Texas
Texas A&M
SMU
It's OK, Nebraska doesn't want to be in a conference with Texas anyway.
Texas I can see. But, I am going to need more on SMU and A&M - I don't think they will make the final 16.
This ain't Crew - their alumni have no interest in supporting football at this level, nor do they have the infrastructure in place to support this.If I become NCAA Czar though, I will implement a system where the bottom 3 teams will be relegated each year, and the top 3 teams from the next tier will be promoted. So they have a chance to be included down the road.
Pony Express is dead and buried - and they aren't coming back."Death Penalty" ring a bell? SMU did it better than anyone.Credentials?Texas
Texas A&M
SMU
It's OK, Nebraska doesn't want to be in a conference with Texas anyway.
Texas I can see. But, I am going to need more on SMU and A&M - I don't think they will make the final 16.
Parrothead
Footballguy
tough to keep PSU out- one of the (if not the) largest alumni association in the nation.. lots of $$ there
Updated - FSU is out, and Clemson is in. Just not sold on A&M yet - lots of schools have alumni money, but will they waste it on athletics though? Seems to go against the Corps agenda.Still looking for a couple of schools, preferably in the west. I could see Stanford grabbing one spot . . .
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Jutz
Footballguy
Boise State?
SteevieG
Footballguy
Is June Jones still coaching there?Pony Express is dead and buried - and they aren't coming back."Death Penalty" ring a bell? SMU did it better than anyone.Credentials?Texas
Texas A&M
SMU
It's OK, Nebraska doesn't want to be in a conference with Texas anyway.
Texas I can see. But, I am going to need more on SMU and A&M - I don't think they will make the final 16.
Yes. But in each case it is a very influential booster to the sports program. Both have shown a willingness to overspend if necessary to improve athletics at each University. I don't think anyone else would be as fanatical a booster. Where did Mark Cuban go to school? I could see him approach that level if he were so inlcined.This is not an argument, as this is a fun discussion. But are you basing Oregon and Okie St on one booster each? I would take the collective A&M boosters over those two.
Disclaimer: I am a Nebraska fan and they are out.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
This is indeed a fun thread but it won't be complete until Idiot Boxer weighs in with his typically unconventional thoughts.
Jutz
Footballguy
They are going after Mike Leach. Craig James recommended him.Is June Jones still coaching there?Pony Express is dead and buried - and they aren't coming back."Death Penalty" ring a bell? SMU did it better than anyone.Credentials?Texas
Texas A&M
SMU
It's OK, Nebraska doesn't want to be in a conference with Texas anyway.
Texas I can see. But, I am going to need more on SMU and A&M - I don't think they will make the final 16.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Now this begs the following question -- in a free-for-all system like this, what would happen to a program like Nebraska's which has a rabid fan base but perhaps not enough financial resources to recruit buy the top tier players. If the Huskers are going 10-2 and 11-1 against Missouri and Wisconsin and Colorado, will the support still be there and will NU still be one of the great places in the nation for college football?
There is only one super conference in this system.But, there would be an opportunity to move up to the super conference.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Great - So Warren Buffett dumps money into OKST. THAT'S your reason for putting them in the Super Conference? How 'bout some results to go with that money.
Clay Bennett and the Gaylord family. Between them more money than T. Boone.
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
Isn't that one and the same? I thought Bennett married a Gaylord.
bentley
Footballguy
But nobody's thrown money at any athletics program like T Boone has, so I think OSU has to be in. I'm sure the Aggies feel like real jerks for running him off after one year. Otherwise they'd have a multi-hundred million dollar donor and they'd be able to afford things like keeping all the lights on and bat guano off Kyle Field instead of having to resort to begging fans to pitch in.
bentley
Footballguy
Captain Fantastic
Footballguy
But when it comes to A&M, you have to factor in some other items that would make me think they would edge out some of other "on the fence" schools:
1. Maybe not many "look-at-me" donors in the spotlight, but lots of "quiet money" in the alumni (think "oil") who would be more inspired to give if part of the super-conference.
2. Fertile Texas high school recruiting ground (true, all the super-conference schools will be poaching Texas kids, but there would likely be a slight edge to UT and A&M on this front).
3. Would pull in the Houston (and Dallas?) television markets.
4. If Rick Perry becomes President, he would make the inclusion of A&M a federal mandate.
Things to ponder...
1. Maybe not many "look-at-me" donors in the spotlight, but lots of "quiet money" in the alumni (think "oil") who would be more inspired to give if part of the super-conference.
2. Fertile Texas high school recruiting ground (true, all the super-conference schools will be poaching Texas kids, but there would likely be a slight edge to UT and A&M on this front).
3. Would pull in the Houston (and Dallas?) television markets.
4. If Rick Perry becomes President, he would make the inclusion of A&M a federal mandate.
Things to ponder...
He did. But he does have his own money. Plus, he's now on the OU Board of Regents along with his S-I-L. So I'm assuming an uptick in his donations.
Koya
Footballguy
No representation from the Northeast? For television revenues alone it would be the smart long term strategic move, even if no program is quite up to snuff right now.
Also, OSU but not the sooners?
The Commish
Footballguy
No way of knowing, but I suspect this model would lend to these schools being in your bottom three on a regular basis. Your problem here is the perceived influence these guys have. That's based on the way things are today. The landscape at many schools would change significantly if the floodgates were opened and the free for all began.Yes. But in each case it is a very influential booster to the sports program. Both have shown a willingness to overspend if necessary to improve athletics at each University. I don't think anyone else would be as fanatical a booster. Where did Mark Cuban go to school? I could see him approach that level if he were so inlcined.
Disclaimer: I am a Nebraska fan and they are out.
Penn State covers the north east - and I don't know what college football ratings look like in Boston (as a proxy for the NE), but I suspect they are not as strong as the south and mid-west.
Koya
Footballguy
Penn State does not really cover the Northeast. While you are correct that the ratings are not nearly what they are in other regions, looking long term it's foolish to ignore that huge population base. You'd want to get a program that either had historical success and arguably could again (Syracuse) or one with more recent success, not the history, but a decent enough fan base and tied to a metro (Rutgers) or possibly BC, but BC really gets you more Boston and New England, where the other two would tie into NYC, NJ and western PA a lot more.
But trust me, Penn State won't get any of us interested in watching a football game on the East Coast unless we went there. 'Cuse or Rutgers, if competitive (and the league would want them to be), could do just that.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Trying to find rabid college football fans in New England is like trying to find water in the Sahara; it may be there, but it isn't worth going after.
Boston College has highest TV ratings of teams in NE - it ranks 38
I think the new super conference will do just fine without any team in the NE corridor.
I think the new super conference will do just fine without any team in the NE corridor.
ClownCausedChaos2
Footballguy
I thought I saw a poll recently that the college football team rooted for most in the state of New York was Notre Dame. Penn State has a big following/fan base in New Jersey.
Are you going to bump one of the Top 16 teams in the country for Syracuse/Rutgers/BC?
I think the NE would just simply be SOL for any regional teams. They're just not strong enough.
jplvr
Footballguy
I've been thinking about this from another angle, and someone like Rutgers could really surprise here eventually. Alumnus or not, I just think someone from a major city like New York would eventually turn a nearby school into his pet project (isn't T-Boone an A&M grad, not Okie State).
I just said on an Alabama message board that we'd have to become Green Bay or risk becoming a small market team in a situation like this.
(did not read thread)
I just said on an Alabama message board that we'd have to become Green Bay or risk becoming a small market team in a situation like this.
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roadkill1292
Footballguy
I'd watch Penn State and root for them to get relegated.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Koya
Footballguy
Notre Dame has a huge following here in the NY area - large Catholic population and many historic Catholic high schools.
Not sure you'd want to bump one of those 16, but if you could find a way to keep Rutgers more than relevant, I see that as a big bonus, long term. Again, I'm thinking long term here.
Koya
Footballguy
I tend to agree that Rutgers would be the most logical with their geography. 'Cuse has a huge following here in NYC, but looking long term, Rutgers would be the pick I'd make if I wanted to bring a Northeast foothold into the conference.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
I'm trying to figure out what Clemson brings to all of this. They're like the factory worker trying to match wallets with the owners of his company.
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Guest
Guest
Notre Dame pretty much covers the NE and Chicago area.
A couple of years later and my mind hasn't changed. I don't want Nebraska in this thing, but I think they would try to get in.
A couple of years later and my mind hasn't changed. I don't want Nebraska in this thing, but I think they would try to get in.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
They could win the second tier and replace Penn State after the Nitts get blasted by the good programs.
Koya
Footballguy
Notre Dame covers the NE for a dedicated portion of the population. For the rest of us, especially those who don't have a natural school affiliation, if it's Notre Dame and no one else, consider College Football to continue it's very weak position in our collective consciousness.
While I am a 'Cuse fan, if you had Rutgers in there and there was a concerted effort to make that program competitive, I'd definitely jump on the bandwagon to watch and root (have friends/family.. enough of an excuse to "adopt" the program). It's utterly foolish, long term, to ignore the single largest market in the nation. In fact, it's hubris.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
I thought the premise of this thread was that the Super Conference would be comprised of the strongest teams on the field with no restrictions on booster payments to players. But we seem to be making allowances already for tv markets. What's that all about?
