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I had to drive my wife into the city yesterday to take care of some things at her job. From what I've continually seen in my neighborhood and what I saw in the city, I can't say enough about how proud I am of New Yorkers through this all, maybe even more so than after 9/11. I'm sure there are random occurrences but for the most part everyone has done what is necessary and asked of them. My block, in a quiet little area, comes alive at 7PM every night. I've probably never seen people so friendly and courteous in every store I go into, no one complaining or defying rules. Everyone just wants this over with but are dealing with it like I never would have imagined, with all the sarcasm and humor one would expect. This will be my last year in NY after living here my entire life and I will never forget how everyone came together during this all.
Agreed. I generally only go out on Saturdays (food pantry volunteer) & basically the only people not wearing masks are young guys walking Brooklyn and younger (20s & 30s) male runners in the city. Pretty much 100% otherwise, folks go out of their way to walk in the street rather than pass each other, small townish nods to each other as they pass (still feels weird lol.)

Around the ‘hood during the week people are more engaging & friendly, asking each other about specific older neighbors to check on them. Again, feels weird, but nice that NYC can be that way in times like these.

 
From the good news department: When I posted this, the one number that made Phase 1 for NYC seem far off was the New Hospitalizations needing to be below 2 per 100k. When I posted on Monday, the number was 3.46. Today, that number is 2.67. Seems like a nice jump.
Down to 2.37. I presume that does include the residents who have likely left the city. But are they working on adding ICU beds? That seems like it will be the limiting factor. But they just sent the ship away, closed central park and Javits Center. I get those weren't permanent solutions and it doesn't make sense to necessarily solve for that number. But seeing as how this isn't going away anytime soon, seems like it makes sense to add ICU beds. 

 
Down to 2.37. I presume that does include the residents who have likely left the city. But are they working on adding ICU beds? That seems like it will be the limiting factor. But they just sent the ship away, closed central park and Javits Center. I get those weren't permanent solutions and it doesn't make sense to necessarily solve for that number. But seeing as how this isn't going away anytime soon, seems like it makes sense to add ICU beds. 
Yup, I was wondering the same thing.

New hosp. down to 2.09 now.

As far as Cuomo's reopening criteria, the city has met just three of the seven benchmarks. While de Blasio has announced comprehensive contact tracing plans, the infrastructure and training aren't yet fully in place. The mayor said Monday he expects the city to accomplish that goal by early June. He expects to overcome the other remaining roadblocks, which are tied to hospital capacity and new daily admissions, around the same time.

"All of the pieces — the test kits, the test sites, the labs, the tracers — all of these pieces are coming together to give us the huge, robust test and trace program we need to push back this disease and move forward in this city,” de Blasio said Monday.
Looks like mid-June for NYC and probably by the end of May for Long Island

 
Flying out to Boise for 3 weeks on Saturday. Should be interesting seeing the difference. They'll be going into Phase 3 when we're there.

 
Yup, I was wondering the same thing.

New hosp. down to 2.09 now.

Looks like mid-June for NYC and probably by the end of May for Long Island
we're probably looking at the same time frame for our return. can't wait to get back there... but don't want to be back there stuck in our apartment without summer camps, swimming pools or beaches to go to (or a job).

they opened up the boardwalk and beach in OC, MD- we went yesterday and met my BIL and two of his kids. masks are "suggested" now, not mandatory, and it was probably 1 in 20 wearing them. but we all did and even though it was busy and no longer 6' all the time, it was nice spending the day with somebody other than ourselves and walking around doing "normal" stuff... even if it was on the white trash riviera. damn those people are fat. spent some time on the beach... it was really nice. hoping to do some of that back home

 
Flying out to Boise for 3 weeks on Saturday. Should be interesting seeing the difference. They'll be going into Phase 3 when we're there.
Texted with a friend this morning who just drove from Tampa to Coeur d’Alene. He said down south you couldn’t even tell there was a pandemic. First two nights were in Nashville, TN and Council Bluffs, IA. Normal hotel check ins, no masks or barriers, passing CCs and the same pen back back n forth. Sioux Falks, SD, was the first time he observed a town where folks were all wearing masks.

 
Yup, I was wondering the same thing.

New hosp. down to 2.09 now.

Looks like mid-June for NYC and probably by the end of May for Long Island
So mid-June to start. Phase 2 early July. But the bulk of being able to get outside the apartment doesn't really start til Phase 3 with restaurants and best case is middle of July? Best case for gyms and other recreational activities is beginning of August? I guess you can't please everyone but with things slowing down and everyone seemingly in agreement that the summer will be better, seems kinda crazy we have to wait for the summer to be 2/3 of the way over before we open things. Especially when you consider most people are likely to either be outside the city or want to be outside in general. Perhaps they are just being slow because once they open they realize how hard it will be to subsequently close but with people blatantly flouting the rules outside already, seems like a long time to wait. 

 
So mid-June to start. Phase 2 early July. But the bulk of being able to get outside the apartment doesn't really start til Phase 3 with restaurants and best case is middle of July? Best case for gyms and other recreational activities is beginning of August? I guess you can't please everyone but with things slowing down and everyone seemingly in agreement that the summer will be better, seems kinda crazy we have to wait for the summer to be 2/3 of the way over before we open things. Especially when you consider most people are likely to either be outside the city or want to be outside in general. Perhaps they are just being slow because once they open they realize how hard it will be to subsequently close but with people blatantly flouting the rules outside already, seems like a long time to wait. 
It's gone from 3.46 to 2.09 in a week. I guess I can understand not opening before Memorial Day weekend but I think we should be going into Phase 1 soon after, not mid-June.

 
we're probably looking at the same time frame for our return. can't wait to get back there... but don't want to be back there stuck in our apartment without summer camps, swimming pools or beaches to go to (or a job).

they opened up the boardwalk and beach in OC, MD- we went yesterday and met my BIL and two of his kids. masks are "suggested" now, not mandatory, and it was probably 1 in 20 wearing them. but we all did and even though it was busy and no longer 6' all the time, it was nice spending the day with somebody other than ourselves and walking around doing "normal" stuff... even if it was on the white trash riviera. damn those people are fat. spent some time on the beach... it was really nice. hoping to do some of that back home
I doubt summer camps open up in the city.  I assuming they won't be available.  Would also be surprised if city pools open up but the beaches will be. 

 
Texted with a friend this morning who just drove from Tampa to Coeur d’Alene. He said down south you couldn’t even tell there was a pandemic. First two nights were in Nashville, TN and Council Bluffs, IA. Normal hotel check ins, no masks or barriers, passing CCs and the same pen back back n forth. Sioux Falks, SD, was the first time he observed a town where folks were all wearing masks.
Sioux Falls got hit pretty hard since they had that Smithfield plant breakout and a few breakouts in nursing homes.  To lots of this country this was just a NY thing and they see it as no big deal.  Hopefully, that doesn't hurt them in the end.  

 
So, NY Pause was extended until May 28th and Cuomo's emergency powers were extended to June 13th. Hopefully NYC can start Phase 1 on the 28th.

 
I doubt summer camps open up in the city.  I assuming they won't be available.  Would also be surprised if city pools open up but the beaches will be. 
yeah- that was my point. no camps, no pools... maybe beaches much later- but that's going to be an absolute disaster, IMO- just getting to any of them is going to be rough. but given how thoughtless people typically are about packing in close proximity at the ones we go to (coney, rockaways)... yuck. and an hour away even then.

 
Sioux Falls got hit pretty hard since they had that Smithfield plant breakout and a few breakouts in nursing homes.  To lots of this country this was just a NY thing and they see it as no big deal.  Hopefully, that doesn't hurt them in the end.  
yeah... we were discussing this after walking the OC boardwalk this weekend and seeing so few people in their "suggested" masks. our kids were freaking out- but we explained that this part of the country really hadn't seen much of the virus, so the people visiting weren't as concerned. and their health and well-being doesn't really affect us. we're still concerned, so we'll continue to wear masks in public until a viable treatment is in place that limits the mortality rate of this thing. but damn- funny seeing how judgey my kids were about it.

 
It sounds like a different planet compared to NY.

I went from thinking no way we'd do a vacation but now thinking something in August is possible. Just not sure where we'd go. 

 
It sounds like a different planet compared to NY.

I went from thinking no way we'd do a vacation but now thinking something in August is possible. Just not sure where we'd go. 
The mentality is totally different.

And at first, it was hard to get out of the "we should all be fighting for our lives together over this" mind set that we saw in NYC eventually. Easy to get judgemental towards these folk seeming to not give a #### at first.

But the reality is that it hasn't really hit hard or much at all here... similar to many other parts of the country. So we've come to accept they've not reacted because they haven't had to- their friends and neighbors aren't dying around them. Of course, were still terrified that this laissez faire reaction might lead to the virus hitting here because people aren't being vigilant...but all we can do is maintain our own vigilance and let the other people take care of themselves. And hopefully they never have to deal with it coming to their backyards and forcing their hands.

 
The mentality is totally different.

And at first, it was hard to get out of the "we should all be fighting for our lives together over this" mind set that we saw in NYC eventually. Easy to get judgemental towards these folk seeming to not give a #### at first.

But the reality is that it hasn't really hit hard or much at all here... similar to many other parts of the country. So we've come to accept they've not reacted because they haven't had to- their friends and neighbors aren't dying around them. Of course, were still terrified that this laissez faire reaction might lead to the virus hitting here because people aren't being vigilant...but all we can do is maintain our own vigilance and let the other people take care of themselves. And hopefully they never have to deal with it coming to their backyards and forcing their hands.
Thanks for the outlook. I'll keep it in mind on my trip because I expect it to be a bit of a shock. 

 
I have been spending a big chunk of my time on Jersey shore and when you compare it to the time I spend in Brooklyn the difference is surprising here as well.  There are some folks taking serious but a lot of others are pretty laissez faire.  Will say town I am is pretty conservative on the spectrum.

 
I have been spending a big chunk of my time on Jersey shore and when you compare it to the time I spend in Brooklyn the difference is surprising here as well.  There are some folks taking serious but a lot of others are pretty laissez faire.  Will say town I am is pretty conservative on the spectrum.
I realized where we are is as well- lots of first-responders and people in the building trades. nice area- not rich, not poor... kinda reminds me of staten island (the not wealthy parts) with all single family homes and a lot of boating/golfing. 

 
The mentality is totally different.

And at first, it was hard to get out of the "we should all be fighting for our lives together over this" mind set that we saw in NYC eventually. Easy to get judgemental towards these folk seeming to not give a #### at first.

But the reality is that it hasn't really hit hard or much at all here... similar to many other parts of the country. So we've come to accept they've not reacted because they haven't had to- their friends and neighbors aren't dying around them. Of course, were still terrified that this laissez faire reaction might lead to the virus hitting here because people aren't being vigilant...but all we can do is maintain our own vigilance and let the other people take care of themselves. And hopefully they never have to deal with it coming to their backyards and forcing their hands.
Not surprising, Maryland has just had it's most new cases in 1 day: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/coronavirus-updates-oregon-supreme-court-temporarily-reinstates-governors/story?id=70758867&cid=clicksource_4380645_2_heads_hero_live_hero_hed

Sounds like they are being really intelligent about this.  I know wearing a face mask is annoying, but it's probably less annoying than getting the disease or having someone you care about get it.  I could be wrong about that, though, since some people hate wearing a face mask so much they will kill people over it...

 
Not surprising, Maryland has just had it's most new cases in 1 day: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/coronavirus-updates-oregon-supreme-court-temporarily-reinstates-governors/story?id=70758867&cid=clicksource_4380645_2_heads_hero_live_hero_hed

Sounds like they are being really intelligent about this.  I know wearing a face mask is annoying, but it's probably less annoying than getting the disease or having someone you care about get it.  I could be wrong about that, though, since some people hate wearing a face mask so much they will kill people over it...
so if incubation is about a week... this could probably be traced to mother's day weekend activities (including Ocean City opening its boardwalk). I wonder where the uptick is happening in MD- Baltimore or other urban areas, or the rest of the state?

 
so if incubation is about a week... this could probably be traced to mother's day weekend activities (including Ocean City opening its boardwalk). I wonder where the uptick is happening in MD- Baltimore or other urban areas, or the rest of the state?
MD has also ramped up testing with around 4000+ last week to now over 7000 a day. Hospitalizations continue to decline.

 
Neighbor of 15 years in my building, guy was 50, just found out he died from Covid yesterday. Really sad stuff. Was on a ventilator for the last 6 days and taken off. Super nice guy, always helped my wife when I was at work carry packages, groceries, etc up the stairs and was very friendly with the kids. As just about every New Yorker does, I obviously know a bunch of people who either had Covid or tested positive for antibodies (I need to take the test too), but this is my first one degree connection to someone who died. 

 
I’ve now had 3 coworkers decide to move out of the city because their stupid landlords sent rent renewal notices with increases in rent.  They all just laughed and told their building to f-off.  There was a 4th who got the increase notice and found a get 14 months for the price of 12 with the health club thrown in as well.

There’s going to be a bunch of open apartments in the city if this keeps up. 

 
I’ve now had 3 coworkers decide to move out of the city because their stupid landlords sent rent renewal notices with increases in rent.  They all just laughed and told their building to f-off.  There was a 4th who got the increase notice and found a get 14 months for the price of 12 with the health club thrown in as well.

There’s going to be a bunch of open apartments in the city if this keeps up. 
Seeing a lot of forecasts rents will plummet 20-30% short term. Probably won’t last long - think 9/11, Lehman Brothers, Hurricane Sandy.

 
Seeing a lot of forecasts rents will plummet 20-30% short term. Probably won’t last long - think 9/11, Lehman Brothers, Hurricane Sandy.
I think this is going to take a lot longer than 9-11.  People are just bugging out and large employers like JPM are basically planning just to support trading until the end of the year.  There’s going to be lot of people not coming back and jobs leaving the city.

 
I think this is going to take a lot longer than 9-11.  People are just bugging out and large employers like JPM are basically planning just to support trading until the end of the year.  There’s going to be lot of people not coming back and jobs leaving the city.
You may be right. One thing that makes this season different is many have discovered WFH is a viable option for more jobs than we previously acknowledged (“we’ve land on the moon!”).

 
This has had a greater affect on the economy than all of those recent disasters combined.  One of the biggest differences, and why it won't be so quick to turn around, is that this time the commercial and retail real estate markets are crashing too.  Companies that have been reluctant to embrace working from home are now seeing that's it's not only feasible, but more cost effective.  If a lot of jobs leave NYC and become virtual, there will be less demand for residential real estate too.  It's obviously had an incredibly negative affect on the retail market as well. 

I still love NYC and want it to rebound as it has after past disasters, like Sandy, but we've never seen anything like this before.  It's impossible to really accurately predict what will happen next, although I'm pretty confident that working from home is going to become much more pervasive so I'm definitely worried about jobs not coming back to the city and the ripple effect it will have on everything else.

 
I still really can't figure out how this will affect the sale of our house. On the one hand, it's perfect for a professional couple, maybe one kid, who wants to get out of the city but with easy access in by express bus. On the other, the overall market might bring it down enough to negate that benefit. At least we aren't in a rush to sell and can see where things end up.

 
I think this is going to take a lot longer than 9-11.  People are just bugging out and large employers like JPM are basically planning just to support trading until the end of the year.  There’s going to be lot of people not coming back and jobs leaving the city.
Tech companies will have 50% of their workforce remote within 5 years. The effects on NYC office space and these big dumb megatowers will be huge. My biggest fear is they adjust pay for those of us who chose to leave the tri-state area. 

 
I still really can't figure out how this will affect the sale of our house. On the one hand, it's perfect for a professional couple, maybe one kid, who wants to get out of the city but with easy access in by express bus. On the other, the overall market might bring it down enough to negate that benefit. At least we aren't in a rush to sell and can see where things end up.
If you can afford it, you might want to keep the house and rent it out.  

 
I still really can't figure out how this will affect the sale of our house. On the one hand, it's perfect for a professional couple, maybe one kid, who wants to get out of the city but with easy access in by express bus. On the other, the overall market might bring it down enough to negate that benefit. At least we aren't in a rush to sell and can see where things end up.
If you can afford it, you might want to keep the house and rent it out.  
Agree with this advice. Waiting a year or two until things normalize and we start seeing more demand might have enormous benefit.

As always, personal opinion, not a CFP, et al.

 
If you can afford it, you might want to keep the house and rent it out.  
Agree here. While I don’t know the impacts on the outer boroughs, I’m confident Manhattan and immediate surrounding area (Bk Heights, LIC, Hoboken, JC, etc) will get slaughtered. It’s a domino effect, if people don’t have to work in NYC, a lot will go. I don’t think it will be as drastic on the outboroughs, but it is def a terrible time to be a NYC seller.

Why on Earth would I subject my family to a 2br apartment when I can have a house, yard, pool, etc.

If I can work remotely, we’re going to be snowbirds. If not, we’re buying something in NJ.

 
If you can afford it, you might want to keep the house and rent it out.  
We thought about it but being so far away kinda scares us away from that. We could possibly afford it even though we bought our condo with cash expecting to get the money back by the sale of our house. Maybe we should try and calculate things.

 
Agree here. While I don’t know the impacts on the outer boroughs, I’m confident Manhattan and immediate surrounding area (Bk Heights, LIC, Hoboken, JC, etc) will get slaughtered. It’s a domino effect, if people don’t have to work in NYC, a lot will go. I don’t think it will be as drastic on the outboroughs, but it is def a terrible time to be a NYC seller.

Why on Earth would I subject my family to a 2br apartment when I can have a house, yard, pool, etc.

If I can work remotely, we’re going to be snowbirds. If not, we’re buying something in NJ.
Yeah, that's kinda what we have, except for a pool. Small yard, quiet neighborhood, anything you need within walking distance and comfortable, quiet express buses that can get you to almost any spot in the city in about a half hour/45 minutes.

 
Cuomo saying that Long Island and Mid-Hudson should be opening next week and is allowing construction to begin setting up now for opening. Nothing on NYC yet.

 
Sammy3469 said:
I’ve now had 3 coworkers decide to move out of the city because their stupid landlords sent rent renewal notices with increases in rent.  They all just laughed and told their building to f-off.  There was a 4th who got the increase notice and found a get 14 months for the price of 12 with the health club thrown in as well.

There’s going to be a bunch of open apartments in the city if this keeps up. 
I just got a renewal for Williamsburg with the same offer as last year. 1/2 month free on a 12 month lease. Suppose you could argue that 1/2 month was comp for the L shutdown but seems a bit of a joke to me. Williamsburg might not fall as hard as Manhattan since you get more space for the $ and more outside space. At the same time, you almost guarantee yourself a subway commute so unless you can WFH a lot, it isn't great. At which point, why not just move further out? 

 
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RC94 said:
This has had a greater affect on the economy than all of those recent disasters combined.  One of the biggest differences, and why it won't be so quick to turn around, is that this time the commercial and retail real estate markets are crashing too.  Companies that have been reluctant to embrace working from home are now seeing that's it's not only feasible, but more cost effective.  If a lot of jobs leave NYC and become virtual, there will be less demand for residential real estate too.  It's obviously had an incredibly negative affect on the retail market as well. 

I still love NYC and want it to rebound as it has after past disasters, like Sandy, but we've never seen anything like this before.  It's impossible to really accurately predict what will happen next, although I'm pretty confident that working from home is going to become much more pervasive so I'm definitely worried about jobs not coming back to the city and the ripple effect it will have on everything else.
I know the death of NYC has been written about before. But this does seem a bit different. I mean what is the value proposition to New York? Most everything that is great about NYC is pretty much the opposite of social distancing. I probably skew to the younger side on this board but was always amazed at the demand for young folks to live here, living paycheck to paycheck, even in white-collar jobs. But the value proposition of enjoying all that NYC had to offer was worth it for them. But with much of the larger gatherings (concerts, clubs, sports, etc) likely done for the foreseeable future and bars/restaurants limited, what exactly is the value proposition? At that point, it comes down to jobs and if people are not only allowed but encouraged to WFH, it doesn't make sense to spend what $3k+ for 700 square feet. 

A lot of the older folks that I worked with already live outside the city. Few of them seemed to enjoy the commute, at least on a daily basis. So working from home flexibility, at least on occasion, will likely be attractive to them. Of course that will flow through to the broader economy. Like I said, probably biased towards looking at things from the younger generation, but if you can't convince the 20-30 year olds to move here, that seems to be a whammy on multiple derivatives. That hurts rent, hurts commercial real estate since employers won't be as interested in NYC, and hurts the entertainment side since most nights and weekends bars/restaurants seem full of Millenials. 

Not to turn it too much into a political thing but I do think they need to think about the damage they're doing. They seem to overvalue the value proposition of the city as it currently stands. They also probably need to recognize that the people with means and who likely pay more in taxes, are also the first ones to leave. 

 
jamny said:
I still really can't figure out how this will affect the sale of our house. On the one hand, it's perfect for a professional couple, maybe one kid, who wants to get out of the city but with easy access in by express bus. On the other, the overall market might bring it down enough to negate that benefit. At least we aren't in a rush to sell and can see where things end up.
Not sure where you are but have heard of a big boom in real estate in suburbs that has already started with people leaving the city.  My mom still sells real estate in Westchester and her phone is ringing off the hook though she basically retired now due to this given her age bracket and risks.  

Also, have a friend who is a NYC broker and she says their view is that there will be a huge cratering of the apartment market (basically a giant blood bath) as no one wants to be in one anymore.  Houses in the city should do ok and will avoid the epic disaster but who really knows.  Suburbs of NYC are going to boom which matches what my Mom is already seeing. 

 
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New Yorkers have done everything asked of them and brought this down to all the required numbers to begin opening. It's ironic and sad that the only thing preventing Phase 1 in NYC is the lack of beds and ICU beds when, for years, people have been complaining about the lack of hospitals after multiple closures. Cuomo should announce that Phase 1 will start next week. It's still a fairly strict lockdown but it's time to give a little after so many have done so much.

Metric #4—Hospital Bed Capacity. Regions must have at least 30% of their hospital beds available. - We are at 27%

Metric #5—ICU Bed Capacity. Regions must have at least 30% of their ICU beds available. We are at 28%

 
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New Yorkers have done everything asked of them and brought this down to all the required numbers to begin opening. It's ironic and sad that the only thing preventing Phase 1 in NYC is the lack of beds and ICU beds when, for years, people have been complaining about the lack of hospitals after multiple closures. Cuomo should announce that Phase 1 will start next week. It's still a fairly strict lockdown but it's time to give a little after so many have done so much.
It's getting ridiculous now. Everyone opening up. Both CDC director and Fauci say it's time yet im here still twiddling my thumbs. All because he closed the Javits center. Meanwhile Cuomo allowed groups of 10 again so I don't understand what the wait is for anymore. 

 
I know the death of NYC has been written about before. But this does seem a bit different. I mean what is the value proposition to New York? Most everything that is great about NYC is pretty much the opposite of social distancing. I probably skew to the younger side on this board but was always amazed at the demand for young folks to live here, living paycheck to paycheck, even in white-collar jobs. But the value proposition of enjoying all that NYC had to offer was worth it for them. But with much of the larger gatherings (concerts, clubs, sports, etc) likely done for the foreseeable future and bars/restaurants limited, what exactly is the value proposition? At that point, it comes down to jobs and if people are not only allowed but encouraged to WFH, it doesn't make sense to spend what $3k+ for 700 square feet. 

A lot of the older folks that I worked with already live outside the city. Few of them seemed to enjoy the commute, at least on a daily basis. So working from home flexibility, at least on occasion, will likely be attractive to them. Of course that will flow through to the broader economy. Like I said, probably biased towards looking at things from the younger generation, but if you can't convince the 20-30 year olds to move here, that seems to be a whammy on multiple derivatives. That hurts rent, hurts commercial real estate since employers won't be as interested in NYC, and hurts the entertainment side since most nights and weekends bars/restaurants seem full of Millenials. 

Not to turn it too much into a political thing but I do think they need to think about the damage they're doing. They seem to overvalue the value proposition of the city as it currently stands. They also probably need to recognize that the people with means and who likely pay more in taxes, are also the first ones to leave. 
fantastic post - thank you. 

 
Decline in Total Hospitalizations  required for 14 day  - NYC =39 days

Decline in Deaths required for 14 days. NYC = 37 days

 
I own a home in Staten Island. Detached, quiet block, big backyard. I bought it thinking it would be our last home until I retire. Now im worried about what NYC will look like over the next 5-10 years. 

 
Can anybody explain to me how social gatherings of up to 10 people are allowed but stores with less than 10 customers still can't open?

 
I own a home in Staten Island. Detached, quiet block, big backyard. I bought it thinking it would be our last home until I retire. Now im worried about what NYC will look like over the next 5-10 years. 
You seem to worry about a lot of things.

Can anybody explain to me how social gatherings of up to 10 people are allowed but stores with less than 10 customers still can't open?
Usually for social gatherings, folks get together and enjoy each other’s company for one hour or more.

When I go to the store, my goal is to go in and get out quickly. Even in non-pandemic times. Interestingly, I’ve observed other people have the same pattern:

• They go in, find their items, check out, then leave   
• They go in, find their items, check out, then leave   
• They go in, find their items, check out, then leave

etc

Sorry, what was the question?

 
You seem to worry about a lot of things.

Usually for social gatherings, folks get together and enjoy each other’s company for one hour or more.

When I go to the store, my goal is to go in and get out quickly. Even in non-pandemic times. Interestingly, I’ve observed other people have the same pattern:

• They go in, find their items, check out, then leave   
• They go in, find their items, check out, then leave   
• They go in, find their items, check out, then leave

etc

Sorry, what was the question?
We're in the hot spot of a global pandemic. Id say worrying about my family's future is normal. 

And for your second response, even more reason to open up stores NOW. Keep under 10 people, keep social distancing, keep masks but it's time. 

 
jobarules said:
I own a home in Staten Island. Detached, quiet block, big backyard. I bought it thinking it would be our last home until I retire. Now im worried about what NYC will look like over the next 5-10 years. 
I bought my forever home in Brooklyn like 3 years ago. I don’t have any plans to sell it and don’t see us leaving Brooklyn. I do have my concerns about the city but that has been going on for awhile (mainly due to DeBlasio and some of policies he supports and represents). 
 

We have always spent our summer’s primarily out of the city though. Bought our family’s  house on NJ shore when my grandmother passed away over a decade ago. No one really wanted it at that time and been a great place for us during this crisis as well as a ton of other uses. However, I just don’t see myself leaving the city for good as I don’t think I could live in suburbs permanently and this experience has proven it more to me. 
 

I also don’t see how in long run this really impacts Staten Island. It is a lot more suburban then the rest of city. To be honest, more like NJ and Nassau county then it is like NYC. It could actually do well on a value basis compared to more dense areas of NYC if worried about real estate prices. 
 

 

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