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El Floppo
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just heard MTA officials talking about the WTC transit hub- designed by one of my favorite architects, Santiago Calatrava.
his projects redefine cityscapes- gorgeous, structural wonders. they also always run way over schedule and WAAAAY over budget. the MTA officials- who should've ####### known better- were commenting that if they were making the choice now, they would have opted to save the billions of dollars of cost overruns... gotten a still amazing, city-defining building, and spent the extra billions on MTA infrastructure instead. if only there was an "internet" or "phone" they could have used to check on his other projects doing exactly what it did here.
his projects redefine cityscapes- gorgeous, structural wonders. they also always run way over schedule and WAAAAY over budget. the MTA officials- who should've ####### known better- were commenting that if they were making the choice now, they would have opted to save the billions of dollars of cost overruns... gotten a still amazing, city-defining building, and spent the extra billions on MTA infrastructure instead. if only there was an "internet" or "phone" they could have used to check on his other projects doing exactly what it did here.
mr. furley
Footballguy
#### it, i'm walking everywhere from now on
Fat Nick
Footballguy
Truthfully, I did NJT from Princeton to Penn Station for 2 years. I now drive an hour each way (not into the city anymore, and not from Princeton), and I'd never consider going back to the train. At least with a car, you have options. I hate public transit.
Koya
Footballguy
It's a national issue. Misappropriated and underfunded infrastructure has real consequences and we are witnessing that, repeatedly.
Koya
Footballguy
And let it devolve into a Trump vs. Hillary political grandstand opp?
It should be, but at least we here actually care about those affected.
Major
Footballguy
Yep. It pains me when I travel abroad and to see other countries light years ahead of us. Beautiful trains, airports, roads, etc. Feels like I'm going back to the stone age when I arrive back at JFK. I guess this is what happens when so much of your budget is wasted abroad.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Going to see Hamilton today finally. Taking the wife for our anniversary. Anyone have any suggestions for a place to grab a cocktail before the show? We have brunch in the LES then are going to cab it up. Probably have time to grab one or two prior. Was going to check some of the hotels in the area. But figured i would ask here.
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Major
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Congrats Pinky! It really depends what you're looking for. Lanterns Keep is a great little cocktail bar. More of a focus on the drinks than ambience but classy and old school.
Skylark has quality drinks and a beautiful rooftop view. I'd probably lean toward the Skylark since it's your anniversary. Them views should definitely lock in a good solid hug at the end of the night.
El Floppo
Footballguy
it's sunday, so he's seeing a matinee. good for after the show though.
we just went to the Low-line Lab down the street for the first time.
high-line, I was pretty jazzed about way before it was even the high-line (was the stuff of archi-students daydreams back then)- and diller scofidio did an absolutely amazing job bringing it to life. being above ground, affording amazing views not a part of the typical pedestrian experience is a big part of what makes it special there.
going underground into essentially a big planted warehouse... not so sure about the appeal for the low-line on a comparable scale. looks like it would be nice for winter/rainy times for a space to get the kids into a park... or homeless people into a park. dunno.
Koya
Footballguy
A true institution. Been years since I went, but I went there a number of times with my father when he was up here playing with the Baltimore Symphony (would play at Carnegie Hall most years). It used to be a tradition back in the day for us to go there for uber sammiches back in the day.Matthias said:
El Floppo
Footballguy
sad.
back when my folks and I would visit NYC as tourists, we would always go to the Stage. as former brooklyn natives, I had the sense from them it was a Dodgers vs Yankees kind of thing, so I only ate there once- giant and great of course... like the Stage. sadly, this means even MORE crowds at Katz's (where there's a line down the block as I type).
Mad Cow
Welshers and Dawdlers Beware!
Brony
Footballguy
One more Q: for 4 days, should we do subway 7 day pass, or is it cheaper/better to do Uber / Taxi? There would be 4 of us needing 7 day pass.
Koya
Footballguy
We hit Stage up a couple times, but were in the Carnegie camp. My only rationale is that's where my dad brought me... back when grandma lived in the Bronx and more recently when he'd be in to play at Carnegie (how the hell my dad played concerts after eating all that is another story - for those that dont know he played bass clarinet for the Baltimore Symphony)
El Floppo
Footballguy
Koya
Footballguy
Funny... my dad moved to Baltimore like 55 years ago and lost all NY team alligience. Hence I was an Orioles fan by the time I moved her with my mom at 5 in 1978. That's why I became a Mets, not Yanks fan.
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
Are you four full days in town or are you in on day one and out on day 4? Unlimited 7 day card is basically cost of 4 subway trips per day each. Seems like a lot of trips per day to me since you will walk or cab between a lot of destinations. If you think you will do 4 or more rides per day, get the 7 day card. Otherwise I would recommend throwing 40 - 50 cash on a pay as you go metrocard and pass between you each time you ride. (Floppo will kill me for the suggestion as metrocard passing tourists are the WORST)
El Floppo
Footballguy
I hear you. My folks moved from Brooklyn right around the year the dodgers moved- late 50s. Even though they eventually moved to the SF area, that they somehow became (nemesis) Giants fans is beyond me... but sure enough, they did. So we all were even if it would've been a lot easier to be an As fan in the 70s.
then again- I do think the dodger's move broke their hearts (my dad used to work at Ebbets as a kid- stadium was in his Brownsville neighborhood)... so it was probably somewhat easy to latch on to the rivals, especially as a transplant to SF.
eta: and #### the dodgers anyways.
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I've got a few metrocards worth $89 (had to buy them with FSA money before it expired at the beginning of the year), I'll sell you one for $60, that'll be more than enough to get around.
If you PM me your address and paypal me, I'll send one in the mail.
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El Floppo
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this is what we do as a family on weekends. as a citibiker (and former walker), I never get the unlimited for commuting... just try to keep 40 or so on the card to take the kids on single trip to school in the AM. wife can't seem to keep money on hers and always loses them- so I swipe for her too if we're travelling together. kids, of course, duck under.
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
You're a seasoned vet in the subway. A tourist stepping up to the turnstile is like a teenager faced with his first bra clasp.
this is what we do as a family on weekends. as a citibiker (and former walker), I never get the unlimited for commuting... just try to keep 40 or so on the card to take the kids on single trip to school in the AM. wife can't seem to keep money on hers and always loses them- so I swipe for her too if we're travelling together. kids, of course, duck under.
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El Floppo
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maybe. since it's never occurred to me before, now I'm self-conscious about it. thanks.
and I don't think I'd remember what to do with a bra-strap. used to have the one-handed lighting quick method down... but now for my bi-annual fool around I'm lucky if we even take our socks off.
Brony
Footballguy
Thanks for the reply. It's 4 nights with almost 5 full days of getting around so the economics aren't as bad as you suggest. Wasn't aware of the cash balance on MetroCard so that's not a bad way to go. While I know there will be a lot of walking, I was trying to find ways to give the kids' legs a break; taxi can accomplish that too. thx.
Brony
Footballguy
thanks for the offer - I'll be leaving on (this) Saturday morning, so I'd probably need you to FedEx it. Not sure if it's worth that trouble.
mr. furley
Footballguy
scofflawEl Floppo said:
Koya
Footballguy
May get a little sun today but maybe not - the last couple days may be the last of it, but wow, just perfect. You never know once you hit mid october, and we are almost there. Still time for some beautiful brisk days, 55-60 degrees, sometimes 65... but 70-75 and sunny, just perfect - might be the last top down jeep days for a while.
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
Koya
Footballguy
Welcome to not September anymore.
signed, Mother ####in' nature. PS - In a couple weeks bet it'll be beautiful.
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
Probably true. Unless you look like a tourist :30dollarhotdog:Matthias said:
Koya
Footballguy
Weather today is classic fall beauty. Crisp, cool, chilly at night - but that sun during the day!
Brony
Footballguy
Just got back tonight. Great trip! A few highlights and lowlights:
Sat: arrival and rain. The city was always on the edge of the rain storm. Knowing it was 100% going to rain or not rain would have made planning easier. Anyway, looked like it was not going to rain so tried Chinatown/Little Italy. Checked out a few canal street 'shops' and rain progressed. As would become a theme, food selection was based out of necessity of our situation, not our destination. We got a couple of umbrellas, wandered into Little Italy and went into Canolli King's place for a break from the rain. The good news - it didn't rain on our meatballs(!).
Sun: like 000's of other families, got the bright idea to go to Museum of Nat History. Getting out of subway, line was, not exaggerating, quarter mile long of miserable folk with umbrellas. After 5 minutes at back of line, discovered that Planetarium also got entry into Museum. HOO. Ray. Went around museum for 2 hours til rain stopped. Looked for close by restaurant where we could sit down and a local mexican place got the job done. (Cafe Frida). Not enjoying NYC yet. Went to Central Park -weather started improving and kids happy to run around unrestricted. improving. took subway back to hotel then got cleaned up and off to Times Square (not my idea). Fortunately for us, it wasn't an average night of crowds, there was an unannounced concert with Alicia Keys so they closed off many roads and tons of people packed in. Bonus! oye. 20 minutes to walk to M&M world. Proof that I love my kids I guess. 45 minutes to pick out a M&M themed souvenir. off. 9PM realize that we haven't eaten since lunch. Older kid melts down around Rockefeller Center out of excess walking. low point of trip. Proceed to eat at Bills Burger & Bar - pretty damn good meal actually. My fat cat burger was great and kids' milkshake improved moods.
Mon: great weather and family followed my simple plan, so of course I liked this day. Walk to Union Sqaure stopping by Dough Doughnuts for amazing doughnuts along the way. Lego Store was somewhere in there too. Kids played at playground; checked out farmers market; dog park. All good. Popped into Max Brenner's too, but didn't sit down for meal, just got cookie to go. Chill at hotel then subway to Brooklyn. Walked down from Manhattan bridge and went south. Little disappointed that playground near Brooklyn Bridge was for toddlers and my kids would have to walk another mile to big kid playground. Does't sound too bad on paper, but there was a lot of walking this day. Waited for Grimaldi's take away and ate at Brooklyn Bridge Park - pretty awesome! Started bridge walk at 5 minutes before sunset... also awesome. Kids were zonk'd before we started but views made it easy going. I've never done Brooklyn Bridge myself, but this was a highlight seeing lights come up along the walk. (BTW. Can't believe that some people try to bike this at full speed. ) After bridge, have to pay off bribe for no complaining by kids. Yelp no help for our hotel area. Walk a couple blocks then stumble upon nice neighborhood joint with a couple of cool desserts and full bar. One of those cool NYC moments.
Tues: Statue Liberty morning turns into full day. I did fair share of prep for this trip, but was thrown off by SoL boats. We booked on the company that stops on island (Statue Cruises) but it isn't clear on reservation time vs. boat schedules and capacities. Basically, we got down there for our 10 AM reservation at 940, but waited in line til 1015 and got on a 1020 boat. All in all, not horrible, just would have helped if we knew that your time on your reservation meant nothing. After that,all good. Had perfect day for Stature and Ellis Island. Had no intentions of doing family search at Ellis, but for $7, it was good to look for a couple of names we had and just look at old ship manifests, job descriptions, etc.
Ate our first meal of day at 230 - had to wander around to find that perfect place when you're starving. Ate at Fraunes Tavern in Financial District. Wife's reuben was pretty #######g good and my Ommegang Nirvana IPA was great to complement whatever food thing I ordered.
Tues night: Lion King at 7. Completed cheesy night by having pre-show drink at Marriott Marquis bar on 8th floor overlooking Times Square. Perfect for what we needed. Show was obviosly good. Cheesecake from Juniors took back to hotel. Had slice of cheesecake; last beer from fridge then fell asleep in 8th inning of Cubs game.
Wed: nothing really. Souvenirs. some work. Disappointed that Breads Bakery closed for Yom Kippur so no chocolate babka for us.
Overall - glad that rain hit early; not at end of trip. Hit every part of NYC that we wanted. Only missed the High Line. Our Korea-town location worked out very good, even though we never hit any Korean BBQ. We took the subway a decent amount, but it was better that we never did 7 day pass. We did pay-as-you-go: $40 upfront then $35 later and that covered us for Central Park; Brooklyn and Walll Street - good mix of interesting subway rides and see-the-city taxi rides.
While I would have probably enjoyed being better planned on food places, I didn't appreciate the kind of mental walls my kids still hit - many times it wasn't worth explaining "there's this great place just 6 blocks away!!". The spontaneity and hit/miss is part of the city experience that I couldn't have planned for.
I did miss and enjoy the city characters; the homeless guy talking to no one; the outspoken business guy; the guy singing to no one. I did forget and did not miss the typical city restaurant worker: didn't give a #### about all ya.
Thanks for all the good info!!! Hope we come back soon!
Sat: arrival and rain. The city was always on the edge of the rain storm. Knowing it was 100% going to rain or not rain would have made planning easier. Anyway, looked like it was not going to rain so tried Chinatown/Little Italy. Checked out a few canal street 'shops' and rain progressed. As would become a theme, food selection was based out of necessity of our situation, not our destination. We got a couple of umbrellas, wandered into Little Italy and went into Canolli King's place for a break from the rain. The good news - it didn't rain on our meatballs(!).
Sun: like 000's of other families, got the bright idea to go to Museum of Nat History. Getting out of subway, line was, not exaggerating, quarter mile long of miserable folk with umbrellas. After 5 minutes at back of line, discovered that Planetarium also got entry into Museum. HOO. Ray. Went around museum for 2 hours til rain stopped. Looked for close by restaurant where we could sit down and a local mexican place got the job done. (Cafe Frida). Not enjoying NYC yet. Went to Central Park -weather started improving and kids happy to run around unrestricted. improving. took subway back to hotel then got cleaned up and off to Times Square (not my idea). Fortunately for us, it wasn't an average night of crowds, there was an unannounced concert with Alicia Keys so they closed off many roads and tons of people packed in. Bonus! oye. 20 minutes to walk to M&M world. Proof that I love my kids I guess. 45 minutes to pick out a M&M themed souvenir. off. 9PM realize that we haven't eaten since lunch. Older kid melts down around Rockefeller Center out of excess walking. low point of trip. Proceed to eat at Bills Burger & Bar - pretty damn good meal actually. My fat cat burger was great and kids' milkshake improved moods.
Mon: great weather and family followed my simple plan, so of course I liked this day. Walk to Union Sqaure stopping by Dough Doughnuts for amazing doughnuts along the way. Lego Store was somewhere in there too. Kids played at playground; checked out farmers market; dog park. All good. Popped into Max Brenner's too, but didn't sit down for meal, just got cookie to go. Chill at hotel then subway to Brooklyn. Walked down from Manhattan bridge and went south. Little disappointed that playground near Brooklyn Bridge was for toddlers and my kids would have to walk another mile to big kid playground. Does't sound too bad on paper, but there was a lot of walking this day. Waited for Grimaldi's take away and ate at Brooklyn Bridge Park - pretty awesome! Started bridge walk at 5 minutes before sunset... also awesome. Kids were zonk'd before we started but views made it easy going. I've never done Brooklyn Bridge myself, but this was a highlight seeing lights come up along the walk. (BTW. Can't believe that some people try to bike this at full speed. ) After bridge, have to pay off bribe for no complaining by kids. Yelp no help for our hotel area. Walk a couple blocks then stumble upon nice neighborhood joint with a couple of cool desserts and full bar. One of those cool NYC moments.
Tues: Statue Liberty morning turns into full day. I did fair share of prep for this trip, but was thrown off by SoL boats. We booked on the company that stops on island (Statue Cruises) but it isn't clear on reservation time vs. boat schedules and capacities. Basically, we got down there for our 10 AM reservation at 940, but waited in line til 1015 and got on a 1020 boat. All in all, not horrible, just would have helped if we knew that your time on your reservation meant nothing. After that,all good. Had perfect day for Stature and Ellis Island. Had no intentions of doing family search at Ellis, but for $7, it was good to look for a couple of names we had and just look at old ship manifests, job descriptions, etc.
Ate our first meal of day at 230 - had to wander around to find that perfect place when you're starving. Ate at Fraunes Tavern in Financial District. Wife's reuben was pretty #######g good and my Ommegang Nirvana IPA was great to complement whatever food thing I ordered.
Tues night: Lion King at 7. Completed cheesy night by having pre-show drink at Marriott Marquis bar on 8th floor overlooking Times Square. Perfect for what we needed. Show was obviosly good. Cheesecake from Juniors took back to hotel. Had slice of cheesecake; last beer from fridge then fell asleep in 8th inning of Cubs game.
Wed: nothing really. Souvenirs. some work. Disappointed that Breads Bakery closed for Yom Kippur so no chocolate babka for us.
Overall - glad that rain hit early; not at end of trip. Hit every part of NYC that we wanted. Only missed the High Line. Our Korea-town location worked out very good, even though we never hit any Korean BBQ. We took the subway a decent amount, but it was better that we never did 7 day pass. We did pay-as-you-go: $40 upfront then $35 later and that covered us for Central Park; Brooklyn and Walll Street - good mix of interesting subway rides and see-the-city taxi rides.
While I would have probably enjoyed being better planned on food places, I didn't appreciate the kind of mental walls my kids still hit - many times it wasn't worth explaining "there's this great place just 6 blocks away!!". The spontaneity and hit/miss is part of the city experience that I couldn't have planned for.
I did miss and enjoy the city characters; the homeless guy talking to no one; the outspoken business guy; the guy singing to no one. I did forget and did not miss the typical city restaurant worker: didn't give a #### about all ya.
Thanks for all the good info!!! Hope we come back soon!
El Floppo
Footballguy
nice trip, brony.
yeah- sometimes... especially with kids in tow... it's better to just play things by ear. and of course NYC is pretty good at allowing that- lots of options to play.
and instead of all the NYC stereotype characters you mentioned, the city is now full of 20something sorority/fraternity kids looking to high-five each other as soon as they get the text that says where and when and what j crew outfit to wear.
yeah- sometimes... especially with kids in tow... it's better to just play things by ear. and of course NYC is pretty good at allowing that- lots of options to play.
and instead of all the NYC stereotype characters you mentioned, the city is now full of 20something sorority/fraternity kids looking to high-five each other as soon as they get the text that says where and when and what j crew outfit to wear.
Koya
Footballguy
This sounds like 2006. Or 1996. Probably 1986, I know it was me (albeit bridge and tunnelling) by 1988.
El Floppo
Footballguy
I kinda know what you're saying... but it's a much different place to live in, demographically. the young people that came to live here needed to come and live here- for whatever reason (usually industry related): designers, artists, finance types, musicians, etc. the others that came to hang out/live here didn't last a year- it just wasn't a place to be ####### around. now it's well, like, whatever.
Koya
Footballguy
Yeah, there is a huge new market push for urban living, far more than back in the day. But I'd say a majority of my friends, suburban kids, lived in the City for a few years. Maybe because we were such a close in suburb, it was almost expected that you live in Manhattan (when you could afford it with much lesser jobs, or while you are making a ton during the innernets bubble or financials bubble doing tons of ya-yo in a boiler room... had plenty of friends in both camps) and then move back out. And we pretty much did - at least the move in part, many have just stayed (or rather, wandered over the bridge to BK and set family camp there)
I just lived my out of college city days in Los Angeles and then career kept me (begrudgingly) in that near-in suburb. But my life experience is being surrounding by frat boys and preppies in NYC**
**I'm sure that has nothing to do with the fact that I was/am a frat boy preppy myself. Achem
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Jayrod
Footballguy
Planning a 3 day/2 night excursion for the wife and I to NY this Summer.
Question is, which dates would be best? I am looking at doing it mid-week (Tues-Thurs). The weeks available would be last week of June or any of the last 3 weeks of July (avoiding the 4th). I'm just wanting to avoid any big touristy dates and keep flight and hotel costs down.
Thoughts? TIA, will answer yours.
Question is, which dates would be best? I am looking at doing it mid-week (Tues-Thurs). The weeks available would be last week of June or any of the last 3 weeks of July (avoiding the 4th). I'm just wanting to avoid any big touristy dates and keep flight and hotel costs down.
Thoughts? TIA, will answer yours.
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
Sammy3469
Footballguy
Serious question...what sort of parent of a 5-year gives this to your child as a birthday gift...you can guess the questions that came from it:
https://www.amazon.com/Man-Who-Walked-Between-Towers/dp/031236878X
https://www.amazon.com/Man-Who-Walked-Between-Towers/dp/031236878X
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