Newsom By Thirty And Other Republican News - The Forty Percent Agitate More Loudly Now (1 Viewer)

[rockaction]

Really, what's left? That's a desiccated, picked over carcass of a Party right now. Watching Newsom completely astride everything so easily is not a symptom of California and its local politics -- the politics of California are up for massive debate, but calling them "local" is a bit of a stretch -- it's a symptom of Trump and the continued influence of the uneducated base of the Republican Party.

It's a walking, living carcass.

 

[Charlie Steiner]

That's what they get for making a black man the face of white supremacy.

 

[knowledge dropper]

I don’t think the rest of the country cares about California politics as much as Californians would like to believe.  It’s about the furthest thing from a bellwether state.  
 

Archie Bunker on California

 

[BladeRunner]

That's what they get for making a black man the face of white supremacy.

Elder was running for the Republican party, not the Democrat Party.

You know the same Democrat party that fought for slavery, created the KKK and Jim Crow? That's the party of white supremacy.

Edit:  it has come to my attention that you were being sarcastic. I missed that completely.

 

[rockaction]

I don’t think the rest of the country cares about California politics as much as Californians would like to believe.  It’s about the furthest thing from a bellwether state.  
 

Archie Bunker on California

Oh, it was a bellwether state when the polls ran at about ten percent for a recall.

Then it wasn't.

 

[rockaction]

Elder was running for the Republican party, not the Democrat Party.

You know the same Democrat party that fought for slavery, created the KKK and Jim Crow? That party.

Your sarcasm meter is way off.

 

[BladeRunner]

Your sarcasm meter is way off.

Ughhh... did I really do that?

 

[knowledge dropper]

Oh, it was a bellwether state when the polls ran at about ten percent for a recall.

Then it wasn't.

I looked at as more of an indictment of how horrible Gavin Newsom is that even the left would turn on him.  California should have no relevancy to the GOP at this point.  

 

[Herb]

Really, what's left? That's a desiccated, picked over carcass of a Party right now. Watching Newsom completely astride everything so easily is not a symptom of California and its local politics -- the politics of California are up for massive debate, but calling them "local" is a bit of a stretch -- it's a symptom of Trump and the continued influence of the uneducated base of the Republican Party.

It's a walking, living carcass.

Remember prior to the 2016 election,  when it was a foregone conclusion that Hillary was going to dogwalk Trump, that every non right-leaning media outlet was decrying how the GOP was over as a party? They were right. Trump took charge of a party that had long since jumped the shark, and turned it into a cult of personality. And that's what it remains.  They aren't even trying to govern anymore. They're simply trying to consolidate and retain power.

What was the last piece of high profile domestic legislation that Republicans spearheaded that wasn't a tax cut?

 

[quick-hands]

Really, what's left? That's a desiccated, picked over carcass of a Party right now. Watching Newsom completely astride everything so easily is not a symptom of California and its local politics -- the politics of California are up for massive debate, but calling them "local" is a bit of a stretch -- it's a symptom of Trump and the continued influence of the uneducated base of the Republican Party.

It's a walking, living carcass.

Are you sure you aren't tim?

 

[Stealthycat]

of the uneducated base of the Republican Party

stop with that, please

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Remember prior to the 2016 election,  when it was a foregone conclusion that Hillary was going to dogwalk Trump, that every non right-leaning media outlet was decrying how the GOP was over as a party? They were right. Trump took charge of a party that had long since jumped the shark, and turned it into a cult of personality. And that's what it remains.  They aren't even trying to govern anymore. They're simply trying to consolidate and retain power.

What was the last piece of high profile domestic legislation that Republicans spearheaded that wasn't a tax cut?

Medicare Part D? Ironically, a popular entitlement expansion. 

ETA - depending on how you define high-profile, you could probably argue that the prison reform passed under Trump qualifies

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Really, what's left? That's a desiccated, picked over carcass of a Party right now. Watching Newsom completely astride everything so easily is not a symptom of California and its local politics -- the politics of California are up for massive debate, but calling them "local" is a bit of a stretch -- it's a symptom of Trump and the continued influence of the uneducated base of the Republican Party.

It's a walking, living carcass.

I didn't follow this election at all, but according to the Krystal/Sagar podcast yesterday, the polling was very close until Elder emerged and it became a two-horse race, rather than a pure recall decision.  They also stated that Elder made it a local thing - focused on rural/small tows, whereas Newsome made it all about Trump.

 

[rockaction]

I didn't follow this election at all, but according to the Krystal/Sagar podcast yesterday, the polling was very close until Elder emerged and it became a two-horse race, rather than a pure recall decision.  They also stated that Elder made it a local thing - focused on rural/small tows, whereas Newsome made it all about Trump.

I wouldn't trust Krystal/Sagar's podcast too much. Something about who they appeal to on this board leaves me with doubt about their political disposition. I think they have found a disaffected market and are running with it.

Californians, according to exit polls, overwhelmingly approved vaccine and mask mandates yesterday, which surprised most people. I'd posit that it's because the noisiest among us are the ones denying the efficacy of that sort of thing. I'll try and find the numbers, but a cursory read last night of KUSI (Republican San Diego news, from my understanding), CNN (nationally politically left, I think we can agree) and 538 (horse race central) seemed to back that sort of finding. That there was no clear Republican candidate was certainly a problem. But I don't think it made a thirty point difference.

People weren't as dissatisfied as they'd have you believe when serving disaffected markets of people.

This is not an endorsement of Newsom. He was able to pin Trumpism on Republicans and the endorsements and campaigning of Warren, Harris, and especially Obama, who had an ad that kept running during football, pinning Elder to Trump certainly helped him, because this is a progressive state and Warren, Harris, and Obama all play here.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I wouldn't trust Krystal/Sagar's podcast too much. Something about who they appeal to on this board leaves me with doubt about their political disposition. I think they have found a disaffected market and are running with it.

Californians, according to exit polls, overwhelmingly approved vaccine and mask mandates yesterday, which surprised most people. I'd posit that it's because the noisiest among us are the ones denying the efficacy of that sort of thing. I'll try and find the numbers, but a cursory read last night of KUSI (Republican San Diego news, from my understanding), CNN (nationally politically left, I think we can agree) and 538 (horse race central) seemed to back that sort of finding. That there was no clear Republican candidate was certainly a problem. But I don't think it made a thirty point difference.

People weren't as dissatisfied as they'd have you believe when serving disaffected markets of people.

This is not an endorsement of Newsom. He was able to pin Trumpism on Republicans and the endorsements and campaigning of Warren, Harris, and especially Obama, who had an ad that kept running during football, pinning Elder to Trump certainly helped him, because this is a progressive state and Warren, Harris, and Obama all play here.

I don't doubt your local view at all, but from a distance I still view it as the state that gave us Ronald Reagan.  You had a Republican governor as recently as 10 years ago, and had GOP governors throughout the 80's and 90's.  I've always viewed it as a largely conservative state with pockets of democrat support centered in the large cities - much like Illinois and many other states.

 

[Shula-holic]

A Democrat winning in California is like waking up to a Republican winning in Mississippi, or the sun is in the sky, water is wet, etc.  Reading too much into this is perilous.

ETA: Dave Wasserman is a pretty good follow in running through the numbers  https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1438204106330542084

 

[rockaction]

stop with that, please

It's truth, and I'd dare anybody to debate the numbers with me. I've heard that a couple of times from thinner-skinned people around these parts, and it is unfortunately, clearly, gobsmackingly, true.

The great divide the past two elections has been education. That's a fact no matter how you slice it.

 

[dkp993]

I wouldn't trust Krystal/Sagar's podcast too much. Something about who they appeal to on this board leaves me with doubt about their political disposition

As a person who they appeal to on this board (I even have a topic started about them) I’ll try not to take this personally. .  
But in all seriousness have you listen to their podcast?  If not I’d recommend it, if so and you have based on your posts here I’m surprised they don’t appeal to you (especially Saagar).  

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

It's truth, and I'd dare anybody to debate the numbers with me. I've heard that a couple of times from thinner-skinned people around these parts, and it is unfortunately, clearly, gobsmackingly, true.

The great divide the past two elections has been education. That's a fact no matter how you slice it.

100% and it's the cure for all of the problems both sides claim they want solved. 

 

[Gr00vus]

I didn't follow this election at all, but according to the Krystal/Sagar podcast yesterday, the polling was very close until Elder emerged and it became a two-horse race, rather than a pure recall decision.  They also stated that Elder made it a local thing - focused on rural/small tows, whereas Newsome made it all about Trump.

The polling seemed close at times, but that was somewhat illusory.  There's a good 10 minute synopsis of this at 538. I'll try to summarize. There weren't that many polls for this race to begin with, most of them favored Newsome staying in office. In August one poll (Survey USA Aug 2-4) came out that went wildly in the other direction. It appears that result was due to a poorly worded question that made Newsome supporters answer the opposite of how they probably intended. That one poll skewed things throughout August until more polls came out, after which Newsome was again favored. Toward the end of August and into September the anti-Elder backlash also kicked in which drove the polls even further until they came much closer to representing the actual result. I don't think this was ever a very close race, though the gap certainly widened the more it was made to appear a Newsome vs. Elder election.

 

[Gr00vus]

I don't doubt your local view at all, but from a distance I still view it as the state that gave us Ronald Reagan.  You had a Republican governor as recently as 10 years ago, and had GOP governors throughout the 80's and 90's.  I've always viewed it as a largely conservative state with pockets of democrat support centered in the large cities - much like Illinois and many other states.

Moderate Republicans can win here in many of the non-Republican hot spots, but that's not who the Republicans have been running at the state an national level recently. In terms of state demographics, I believe registered Democrats make up about 45% of the population, registered Republicans about 25%.

 

[Shutout]

I didn't follow this election at all, but according to the Krystal/Sagar podcast yesterday, the polling was very close until Elder emerged and it became a two-horse race, rather than a pure recall decision.  They also stated that Elder made it a local thing - focused on rural/small tows, whereas Newsome made it all about Trump.

This was an interesting aspect of this recall because the bolded is true but a lot of people aren't seeing it for what is truly is.

Elder is a Cali native and came up in some of the not best neighborhoods. He WAS focused on areas that should be important to the people living there.

Newsom absolutely made it all about Trump..and so did Biden, Harris, etc when they came to town. In other words, Newsom didn't attempt to defend himself based on the actions that got him subject to recall at all. Instead, he, Biden, etc all pitched it as "if you vote for Elder, you are voting for Trump".  It was widely pushed as a "stop the Republican recall" issue. It is not surprising but it IS very telling that the overwhelming focal point is not "This is why you should keep me" but, instead "You need to keep me because you don't want him because...Trump".  I think we just went through this back in November. So many people say they voted for Biden because he wasn't Trump. And here we are. 

In the bigger picture, what we should realize is it is very important that we were even at this point. 

A little over a year ago, Newsom and Cuomo were the poster children of the party. Now, a year and a half later, one has resigned and the other was brought up on recall. 

California has 2x as many registered democrats as republicans. Once you get past the part of wondering how it even got to this point, you have to question how it was even this close....

I don't live in California but I Know the state lost population for the first time ever this past year. I know you can't hardly turn on a TV without seeing stories of raging homelessness, runaway housing prices and taxes, a refusal to prosecute on everything from $900 and less theft to downgrading it a misdemeanor if you knowingly have HIV and don't disclose it to your partner. I do believe there are some significant issues in the state but I believe that there is such a wealth gap in the state and the weather is so nice that there are enough people who still feel insulated enough from it that they can and will tolerate it. 

 

[da_budman]

I wouldn't trust Krystal/Sagar's podcast too much. Something about who they appeal to on this board leaves me with doubt about their political disposition. I think they have found a disaffected market and are running with it.

Californians, according to exit polls, overwhelmingly approved vaccine and mask mandates yesterday, which surprised most people. I'd posit that it's because the noisiest among us are the ones denying the efficacy of that sort of thing. I'll try and find the numbers, but a cursory read last night of KUSI (Republican San Diego news, from my understanding), CNN (nationally politically left, I think we can agree) and 538 (horse race central) seemed to back that sort of finding. That there was no clear Republican candidate was certainly a problem. But I don't think it made a thirty point difference.

People weren't as dissatisfied as they'd have you believe when serving disaffected markets of people.

This is not an endorsement of Newsom. He was able to pin Trumpism on Republicans and the endorsements and campaigning of


Warren


,


Harris


, and especially Obama, who had an ad that kept running during football, pinning Elder to Trump certainly helped him, because this is a progressive state and


Warren


,


Harris


, and Obama all play here.

Perhaps he was able to pin Trumpism on the republicans because a large majority of the republicans still want Trump as their leader and still believe the big lie.  The lead republican in the recall race tied HIMSELF to Trump and his election stealing garbage.  Why would he  campaign any differently when it was true?   Under the rules of the recall it was a Newcomb vs Elder race and the vast majority in a democratic state preferred the democrat over a Trump truther.  

 

[BladeRunner]

Perhaps he was able to pin Trumpism on the republicans because a large majority of the republicans still want Trump as their leader and still believe the big lie.  The lead republican in the recall race tied HIMSELF to Trump and his election stealing garbage.  Why would he  campaign any differently when it was true?   Under the rules of the recall it was a Newcomb vs Elder race and the vast majority in a democratic state preferred the democrat over a Trump truther.  

You're going to have to back this up.  What is a "large majority"? That implies at least 60% or more.  Is that what you're saying here?

 

[da_budman]

You're going to have to back this up.  What is a "large majority"? That implies at least 60% or more.  Is that what you're saying here?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/09/12/most-republicans-want-trump-to-be-president-again-but-are-split-on-if-hell-actually-win-poll-finds/?sh=7becaf39a071   so in the latest poll,  yes 63% is greater than 60%....The kicker is only 51% of those same people polled think he would win?  It continues to amaze me the republicans STILL have their wagons hitched to Trump. 

 

[The General]

You're going to have to back this up.  What is a "large majority"? That implies at least 60% or more.  Is that what you're saying here?

Big Lie

 

[lazyike]

It's truth, and I'd dare anybody to debate the numbers with me. I've heard that a couple of times from thinner-skinned people around these parts, and it is unfortunately, clearly, gobsmackingly, true.

The great divide the past two elections has been education. That's a fact no matter how you slice it.

Not only education but Americans no longer watch the news. Sure it can be biased but in the end you have no clue what’s going on.