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NFC Championship GB@Seattle (2 Viewers)
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ImTheScientist
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The General
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The point about Seattle running into some down offenses is true but they have been dominating at historic levels ever since Wagner and Kam have come back. Last 2 months have been as good, maybe better as last season's peak, which I'm really surprised by because they lost some key pieces.Well Done! It's good to see some bravado coming from Packer fans.Seattle hasn't beaten a good team since September, and they're 0-2 against the only decent competition they faced over that stretch, including 0-1 at home.
Since they faced GB last, they unceremoniously dismissed their single biggest source of all purpose yardage from that game, and have yet to put up a single decent showing against a competent NFL team since cutting Harvin.
Homers want to make a big deal about team meeting wonderworks and addition by subtraction, but the big feathers in the cap of this team since the Harvin fiasco are beating Ryan Lindley, edging out the Raiders, and winning a home playoff game against history's worst playoff team.
They seem like a dead-bang NFL analogue to this year's FSU squad. Last year is still in the books, and you can only play the teams on your schedule, but when you look closely at each game, there's not much there causing the league's best teams any sleepless nights.
I mean, it's an any given Sunday league, so they've got a puncher's chance. But I have to think the Pack has the edge.
I just hope it's close.
Their offense has actually been a bit underrated I'd argue because they have been putting up solid numbers against really good defenses.
Probably been mentioned already but Wilson's numbers in the playoffs are off the charts, so far in his career he goes into another gear in the post-season.
Love this matchup. Can't wait, only wish it was on Saturday so didn't have to wake up early the next day for work.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Does not make it delusional...nor does it speak for the fanbase.
Oh, and when it first linked on my phone it was to his post a few up from that.
Glad you tried though...good effort.
Doctor Detroit
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Packers didn't beat one winning team on the road and got boat-raced by the Saints and Bills. Furthermore Seattle's SOS was .525, ahead of the Packers .482 and highest among the remaining playoff teams. Since September the Seahawks beat the 10 win Eagles in Philadelphia, the 11-5 Cardinals twice, and the team that had been to three consecutive NFC Championships twice. They were 7-1 in the second half of the season, and won by double digits in every one of the games they won.
Great argument.
Doctor Detroit
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fred_1_15301
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You have to work on MLK day? That sucks.The point about Seattle running into some down offenses is true but they have been dominating at historic levels ever since Wagner and Kam have come back. Last 2 months have been as good, maybe better as last season's peak, which I'm really surprised by because they lost some key pieces.Well Done! It's good to see some bravado coming from Packer fans.Seattle hasn't beaten a good team since September, and they're 0-2 against the only decent competition they faced over that stretch, including 0-1 at home.
Since they faced GB last, they unceremoniously dismissed their single biggest source of all purpose yardage from that game, and have yet to put up a single decent showing against a competent NFL team since cutting Harvin.
Homers want to make a big deal about team meeting wonderworks and addition by subtraction, but the big feathers in the cap of this team since the Harvin fiasco are beating Ryan Lindley, edging out the Raiders, and winning a home playoff game against history's worst playoff team.
They seem like a dead-bang NFL analogue to this year's FSU squad. Last year is still in the books, and you can only play the teams on your schedule, but when you look closely at each game, there's not much there causing the league's best teams any sleepless nights.
I mean, it's an any given Sunday league, so they've got a puncher's chance. But I have to think the Pack has the edge.
I just hope it's close.
Their offense has actually been a bit underrated I'd argue because they have been putting up solid numbers against really good defenses.
Probably been mentioned already but Wilson's numbers in the playoffs are off the charts, so far in his career he goes into another gear in the post-season.
Love this matchup. Can't wait, only wish it was on Saturday so didn't have to wake up early the next day for work.
The General
Footballguy
Yup. I'll actually be in Montreal for work so may be watching the game in French.You have to work on MLK day? That sucks.The point about Seattle running into some down offenses is true but they have been dominating at historic levels ever since Wagner and Kam have come back. Last 2 months have been as good, maybe better as last season's peak, which I'm really surprised by because they lost some key pieces.Well Done! It's good to see some bravado coming from Packer fans.Seattle hasn't beaten a good team since September, and they're 0-2 against the only decent competition they faced over that stretch, including 0-1 at home.
Since they faced GB last, they unceremoniously dismissed their single biggest source of all purpose yardage from that game, and have yet to put up a single decent showing against a competent NFL team since cutting Harvin.
Homers want to make a big deal about team meeting wonderworks and addition by subtraction, but the big feathers in the cap of this team since the Harvin fiasco are beating Ryan Lindley, edging out the Raiders, and winning a home playoff game against history's worst playoff team.
They seem like a dead-bang NFL analogue to this year's FSU squad. Last year is still in the books, and you can only play the teams on your schedule, but when you look closely at each game, there's not much there causing the league's best teams any sleepless nights.
I mean, it's an any given Sunday league, so they've got a puncher's chance. But I have to think the Pack has the edge.
I just hope it's close.
Their offense has actually been a bit underrated I'd argue because they have been putting up solid numbers against really good defenses.
Probably been mentioned already but Wilson's numbers in the playoffs are off the charts, so far in his career he goes into another gear in the post-season.
Love this matchup. Can't wait, only wish it was on Saturday so didn't have to wake up early the next day for work.
sho nuff
Footballguy
While i dont agree with freelove's assessment of the Seahawks...how exactly did they get boatraced by Buffalo?Doctor Detroit said:Packers didn't beat one winning team on the road and got boat-raced by the Saints and Bills. Furthermore Seattle's SOS was .525, ahead of the Packers .482 and highest among the remaining playoff teams. Since September the Seahawks beat the 10 win Eagles in Philadelphia, the 11-5 Cardinals twice, and the team that had been to three consecutive NFC Championships twice. They were 7-1 in the second half of the season, and won by double digits in every one of the games they won. Great argument.Freelove said:
And division wins are tough...but not sure anyone should be pimping a win against AZ in those last few games of theirs...nor SF really. Those teams were a mess.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Carolina beat the Cardinals too. Impressive!Doctor Detroit said:Packers didn't beat one winning team on the road and got boat-raced by the Saints and Bills. Furthermore Seattle's SOS was .525, ahead of the Packers .482 and highest among the remaining playoff teams. Since September the Seahawks beat the 10 win Eagles in Philadelphia, the 11-5 Cardinals twice, and the team that had been to three consecutive NFC Championships twice. They were 7-1 in the second half of the season, and won by double digits in every one of the games they won. Great argument.Freelove said:
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
These weeks are just too long. It isn't even Wednesday yet and ITS and Sho Nuff are killing this thread.
FootballGuy22
Footballguy
haha, me too. Don't worry, it will be on in English!!The General said:Yup. I'll actually be in Montreal for work so may be watching the game in French.fred_1_15301 said:You have to work on MLK day? That sucks.The General said:The point about Seattle running into some down offenses is true but they have been dominating at historic levels ever since Wagner and Kam have come back. Last 2 months have been as good, maybe better as last season's peak, which I'm really surprised by because they lost some key pieces.Chaz McNulty said:Well Done! It's good to see some bravado coming from Packer fans.Freelove said:Seattle hasn't beaten a good team since September, and they're 0-2 against the only decent competition they faced over that stretch, including 0-1 at home.
Since they faced GB last, they unceremoniously dismissed their single biggest source of all purpose yardage from that game, and have yet to put up a single decent showing against a competent NFL team since cutting Harvin.
Homers want to make a big deal about team meeting wonderworks and addition by subtraction, but the big feathers in the cap of this team since the Harvin fiasco are beating Ryan Lindley, edging out the Raiders, and winning a home playoff game against history's worst playoff team.
They seem like a dead-bang NFL analogue to this year's FSU squad. Last year is still in the books, and you can only play the teams on your schedule, but when you look closely at each game, there's not much there causing the league's best teams any sleepless nights.
I mean, it's an any given Sunday league, so they've got a puncher's chance. But I have to think the Pack has the edge.
I just hope it's close.
Their offense has actually been a bit underrated I'd argue because they have been putting up solid numbers against really good defenses.
Probably been mentioned already but Wilson's numbers in the playoffs are off the charts, so far in his career he goes into another gear in the post-season.
Love this matchup. Can't wait, only wish it was on Saturday so didn't have to wake up early the next day for work.
Doctor Detroit
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As opposed to what? Pimping wins against the Bucs and Vikings? Let me remind you that Arizona was the #1 seed in the NFC for most of the season, and was 9-1 when they played in week 12.While i dont agree with freelove's assessment of the Seahawks...how exactly did they get boatraced by Buffalo?Doctor Detroit said:Packers didn't beat one winning team on the road and got boat-raced by the Saints and Bills. Furthermore Seattle's SOS was .525, ahead of the Packers .482 and highest among the remaining playoff teams. Since September the Seahawks beat the 10 win Eagles in Philadelphia, the 11-5 Cardinals twice, and the team that had been to three consecutive NFC Championships twice. They were 7-1 in the second half of the season, and won by double digits in every one of the games they won. Great argument.Freelove said:
And division wins are tough...but not sure anyone should be pimping a win against AZ in those last few games of theirs...nor SF really. Those teams were a mess.
Buffalo dominated the Packers, late luck made that way closer than it should have been. Seattle lost 4 games by 22 combined points, Packers lost to the Saints by 21.
Doctor Detroit
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Just demonstrating the hate, 49ers guy.Cross quoting from other threads. Good schtick.Doctor Detroit said:
Doctor Detroit
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And Carolina beat the Saints by 31. So they would have beat the Packers by 52 then correct?Carolina beat the Cardinals too. Impressive!Doctor Detroit said:Packers didn't beat one winning team on the road and got boat-raced by the Saints and Bills. Furthermore Seattle's SOS was .525, ahead of the Packers .482 and highest among the remaining playoff teams. Since September the Seahawks beat the 10 win Eagles in Philadelphia, the 11-5 Cardinals twice, and the team that had been to three consecutive NFC Championships twice. They were 7-1 in the second half of the season, and won by double digits in every one of the games they won. Great argument.Freelove said:
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
Have to agree, Sea just hasn't played a good offense in a long time and many (rightfully so imho) wonder just how much the Sea def stats have been over inflated over the last 8 weeks. They haven't faced a really good QB in a looong time and now they will, sort of. if Rodgers wasn't hobbled I like GBs chances, just hard to know how much effect it will have.While i dont agree with freelove's assessment of the Seahawks...how exactly did they get boatraced by Buffalo?Doctor Detroit said:Packers didn't beat one winning team on the road and got boat-raced by the Saints and Bills. Furthermore Seattle's SOS was .525, ahead of the Packers .482 and highest among the remaining playoff teams. Since September the Seahawks beat the 10 win Eagles in Philadelphia, the 11-5 Cardinals twice, and the team that had been to three consecutive NFC Championships twice. They were 7-1 in the second half of the season, and won by double digits in every one of the games they won. Great argument.Freelove said:
And division wins are tough...but not sure anyone should be pimping a win against AZ in those last few games of theirs...nor SF really. Those teams were a mess.
On the other side, as others have pointed out, the Sea offense has been very impressive while facing some pretty good defenses down the stretch. Should be a good game!
sho nuff
Footballguy
Um...huh?
sho nuff
Footballguy
I dont recall pimping those wins at all.I didn't comment about week 12 as much as the last game with AZ...their #1 ranking means nothing once Ryan Lindley was the QB.As opposed to what? Pimping wins against the Bucs and Vikings? Let me remind you that Arizona was the #1 seed in the NFC for most of the season, and was 9-1 when they played in week 12. Buffalo dominated the Packers, late luck made that way closer than it should have been. Seattle lost 4 games by 22 combined points, Packers lost to the Saints by 21.While i dont agree with freelove's assessment of the Seahawks...how exactly did they get boatraced by Buffalo?And division wins are tough...but not sure anyone should be pimping a win against AZ in those last few games of theirs...nor SF really. Those teams were a mess.Doctor Detroit said:Packers didn't beat one winning team on the road and got boat-raced by the Saints and Bills. Furthermore Seattle's SOS was .525, ahead of the Packers .482 and highest among the remaining playoff teams. Since September the Seahawks beat the 10 win Eagles in Philadelphia, the 11-5 Cardinals twice, and the team that had been to three consecutive NFC Championships twice. They were 7-1 in the second half of the season, and won by double digits in every one of the games they won. Great argument.Freelove said:
Late luck? The Packers were a dropped Nelson pass from going ahead on that game at one point. There was no boatracing...
And im not pimping GB's schedule at all...but interesting how defensive you got.
Its ok to admit that Az with Lindley was a shell of themselves...and that SF being in a NFC title game is pretty irrelevant to their play this year.
Doctor Detroit
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I dont recall pimping those wins at all.I didn't comment about week 12 as much as the last game with AZ...their #1 ranking means nothing once Ryan Lindley was the QB.As opposed to what? Pimping wins against the Bucs and Vikings? Let me remind you that Arizona was the #1 seed in the NFC for most of the season, and was 9-1 when they played in week 12. Buffalo dominated the Packers, late luck made that way closer than it should have been. Seattle lost 4 games by 22 combined points, Packers lost to the Saints by 21.While i dont agree with freelove's assessment of the Seahawks...how exactly did they get boatraced by Buffalo?And division wins are tough...but not sure anyone should be pimping a win against AZ in those last few games of theirs...nor SF really. Those teams were a mess.Doctor Detroit said:Packers didn't beat one winning team on the road and got boat-raced by the Saints and Bills. Furthermore Seattle's SOS was .525, ahead of the Packers .482 and highest among the remaining playoff teams. Since September the Seahawks beat the 10 win Eagles in Philadelphia, the 11-5 Cardinals twice, and the team that had been to three consecutive NFC Championships twice. They were 7-1 in the second half of the season, and won by double digits in every one of the games they won. Great argument.Freelove said:
Late luck? The Packers were a dropped Nelson pass from going ahead on that game at one point. There was no boatracing...
And im not pimping GB's schedule at all...but interesting how defensive you got.
Its ok to admit that Az with Lindley was a shell of themselves...and that SF being in a NFC title game is pretty irrelevant to their play this year.
Doctor Detroit
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Says the guy known to be one of the biggest homer honks in the history of this board. Probably one the funniest things you've ever said, well done.
http://pfref.com/tiny/sQPQG
According to this Dallas was 3rd and last week they only scored 21 points, 72% of their per game average as the leagues 5th ranked scoring offense
. Seattles PPG, SOS, and SRS defense in 2014 is also worse than either 2013 or 2012. I also think people are overrating the impact Seattles pass rush will have in the first place, Seattle isn't even the #1 pressure unit in the NFL, is missing some interior guys, and GB finished #1 in pass pro according to PFF by quite a wide margin. They handled Buffalo and Detroit's fronts pretty well down the stretch, both of whom are superior to Seattle's. In the first game Linsley was a 5th round rookie starting his first game after being announced starter like 4 days before, he finished the year playing at a pro bowl level. Bulaga ran into Richard Rodgers and they both got injured, Sherrod came in and was horrible, got abused by Michael Bennett. He isn't even on the team anymore.Either way this is all just stat analysis. In the playoffs its about elevating your game, not what you did over the course of the season. See Colts run defense in 2006, 2008 Cardinals, etc for example.
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The General
Footballguy
Here's a good stat: Sea 36 - GB 16
Are the teams teleporting back in time to play the game in September? After that week Knowshon Moreno led the league in rushing. Eddie Lacy got concussed and missed half the game. Davante Adams had 7 snaps. The two leading Seahawks receivers were Percy Harvin and Zach Miller.
Doctor Detroit
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Seahawks played a bunch of crappy teams the last few weeks and none of their games in September count. Got it.
The General
Footballguy
Another good stat: Hawks -7
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Solid logic. You can do better though.And Carolina beat the Saints by 31. So they would have beat the Packers by 52 then correct?Carolina beat the Cardinals too. Impressive!Doctor Detroit said:Packers didn't beat one winning team on the road and got boat-raced by the Saints and Bills. Furthermore Seattle's SOS was .525, ahead of the Packers .482 and highest among the remaining playoff teams. Since September the Seahawks beat the 10 win Eagles in Philadelphia, the 11-5 Cardinals twice, and the team that had been to three consecutive NFC Championships twice. They were 7-1 in the second half of the season, and won by double digits in every one of the games they won. Great argument.Freelove said:
MaxThreshold
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Doctor Detroit
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You're the one that used the Panthers beating the Cardinals as some sort of example.Solid logic. You can do better though.And Carolina beat the Saints by 31. So they would have beat the Packers by 52 then correct?Carolina beat the Cardinals too. Impressive!Doctor Detroit said:Packers didn't beat one winning team on the road and got boat-raced by the Saints and Bills. Furthermore Seattle's SOS was .525, ahead of the Packers .482 and highest among the remaining playoff teams. Since September the Seahawks beat the 10 win Eagles in Philadelphia, the 11-5 Cardinals twice, and the team that had been to three consecutive NFC Championships twice. They were 7-1 in the second half of the season, and won by double digits in every one of the games they won. Great argument.Freelove said:
Paulymaggs
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BRING ON THE PACK!!!!!!!!!The previous games don't even matter.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
All the examples and stats in the entire world ain't gonna' help the Seahawks on Sunday. They're going down.You're the one that used the Panthers beating the Cardinals as some sort of example.Solid logic. You can do better though.And Carolina beat the Saints by 31. So they would have beat the Packers by 52 then correct?Carolina beat the Cardinals too. Impressive!Doctor Detroit said:Packers didn't beat one winning team on the road and got boat-raced by the Saints and Bills. Furthermore Seattle's SOS was .525, ahead of the Packers .482 and highest among the remaining playoff teams. Since September the Seahawks beat the 10 win Eagles in Philadelphia, the 11-5 Cardinals twice, and the team that had been to three consecutive NFC Championships twice. They were 7-1 in the second half of the season, and won by double digits in every one of the games they won. Great argument.Freelove said:
Facts worth noting the Seahawks played a Cards team with ####ty QB play and nothing else worth of real note since losing to the Cowboys. Did I miss something or where did they play an above average even offense? Carolina, Stl, 49ers, and Arizona 2x, Oakland, Giants, KC, and the possibly the only respectable team in Philli who got SMASHED by the Packers. Not here to say the Seahawks suck but you can't take shots at the Packers and not acknowledge that the Seahwaks improvement came alon with a weak schedule and a shell of itself Arizona and 49ers.
Bears and Viking both lost more than Cards but if they played now both teams beat the Cards so the Seahawks "strength" of schedule is HIGHLY inflated. They had a big win against Denver but nothing of real note since week 3.
Again Seattle is a good team but don't prop up these numbers of SOS for instance when they played a team who was a 3 win Cardinal team if they had to play with their QB and injury situation the whole season.
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The Kerminator
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Interesting that Seattle's resurgence only happened against this murderer's row of QBs.
Week 8 - CAM
Week 9 - Carr
Week 10 - Eli
Week 11 - Alex Smith
Week 12 - Stanton
Week 13 - Kaepernick
Week 14 - Sanchize
Week 15 - Lindley
Week 16 - Shaun Hill
Yeah, that's about as bad a group of QBs as you could come up with. They haven't played a top 15 QB since week 8. Now this week they get the best player in the NFL so we'll see what happens.
Week 8 - CAM
Week 9 - Carr
Week 10 - Eli
Week 11 - Alex Smith
Week 12 - Stanton
Week 13 - Kaepernick
Week 14 - Sanchize
Week 15 - Lindley
Week 16 - Shaun Hill
Yeah, that's about as bad a group of QBs as you could come up with. They haven't played a top 15 QB since week 8. Now this week they get the best player in the NFL so we'll see what happens.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
and, unsurprisingly, STILL the best player in the NFL. Even on the gimpy leg.
So maybe the Pack beats the Seahawks by 14 instead of 24.
The General
Footballguy
Does the Discount Double Check thing include Personal Injury coverage?
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I would love to see this matchup with a healthy Aaron Rodgers, but you get what you get, not what you wish for. Sometimes you get the benefit of playing against a depleted roster, and sometimes you are the depleted roster, that's just life in the NFL. what Rodgers was able to accomplish against Detroit and Dallas was more special because of the challenge, and if he somehow manages to lead the Packers to victory this week his challenge will become part of Packer lore.
If Wilson leads the Seahawks to victory I will be rooting for them in the Super Bowl. As a Wisconsin boy born and bred, though now relocated, I followed him with the Badgers and since, and find him a fairly admirable guy and Q.B. talent. I was convinced his game would translate to the pros. He is a guy I can root for. Now I know by saying this there are some who will come in and point out perceived negatives in his character or game, but overall, a few potential blemishes aside, I like to see him succeed and I root for that.
Go Pack!
If Wilson leads the Seahawks to victory I will be rooting for them in the Super Bowl. As a Wisconsin boy born and bred, though now relocated, I followed him with the Badgers and since, and find him a fairly admirable guy and Q.B. talent. I was convinced his game would translate to the pros. He is a guy I can root for. Now I know by saying this there are some who will come in and point out perceived negatives in his character or game, but overall, a few potential blemishes aside, I like to see him succeed and I root for that.
Go Pack!
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Quoted for later. Not that anyone expects you back here if the Hawks lose. Just like last time.
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Ditkaless Wonders
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
What's your issue? Are you that big of a homer? He stated he liked the Packers chances not they would win. Also you can't compare a few injuries with losing the full ability of the best player in the NFL.
Do you think the Cards of week 14/15/16/17/WC are the same if they have at least an average QB?
JFT Ben
Footballguy
I was postulating on this with some leaguemates, here are some thoughts I had from a Packer fan perspective:
Looking to Seattle. I hope everyone and their brother who is picking Seattle against the gimpy Rodgers helps with Seattle's overconfidence (similar to what the Packers were when they played Denver in the Superbowl back in 1997 season - no one thought Denver would win. I heard one of the Seattle Newspapers had a piece on how to travel and get tickets to Phoenix - a tad presumptuous perhaps?). Seattle was in a dogfight with the Carolina Panthers in last week's game (Car- with no great WRs or QB who was spraying them all over the field, missing open receivers and throwing 2 picks) before they broke it open in the fourth quarter. Here's my initial thoughts:
1) The Packers and Seattle teams that shows up on Sunday are different than week 1, let's count the ways:
a) Bulaga went out with a knee injury, meaning freaking Derrick Sherrod was the revolving door at right tackle giving up 2 sacks. Sherrod was later cut.
b) That was rookie center Linsley's first start. What an indoctrination. Should be a different game
c) With the a) and b) above, the line has had great consistency. This will be a big key if they have a shot. Here's a nice article on the Packers' O-Line http://grantland.com/features/green-bay-packers-offensive-line-aaron-rodgers/
d) Besides Linsley, rookies TE Rodgers and Davante have come on of late. Don't underestimate these role players.
e) Lacy was concussed for some of the second half last game. Not that it mattered by that point, but nonetheless.
f) Defense was tweaked halfway through the season, which helped their rankings a lot, pulling them out of the basement. I think they'll have some new wrinkles, but not sure it will help much against Russel "The Wizard" Wilson.
g) On the Seattle side, they traded Harvin, who gashed the Packers in week 1. They decided to roll the dice with speedy rookie Paul Richardson as WR#3 and as special teams kick returner, but unfortunately he tore his ACL. The loss of Harvin and Richardson leave them a little light at WR, and may have a cumulative impact on special teams. Not much quality depth behind Baldwin and Kearse. Luke Wilson is good though.
2) Cowboys had probably the better offense between them and the Seahawks. Seattle don't have a receiver like Dez or Megatron (the last two teams they played), which means that safety that was helping out more in those games can help out more in the box as needed. Both Dallas and Seattle have very good running backs. Wilson is a much different animal than Romo, and Carrol's play calling is trickster, but Wilson only threw 20 TDs on the year. They rely much more on the running game, defense, and Wilson making something happen to extend and make plays.
3) Seattle's Defense is really good, more complete than Detroit's. But if you look at their record, they beat 4 playoff teams in the regular season (GB week 1, a faltering Arizona twice in the last 5 weeks [against Drew Stanton and Lindley {who?}], Denver at home in OT, and the 7-8-1 Carolina (a 13-9 barn burner). They lost to Dallas at home. Their signature win was probably the Denver win. You play who you play, and their defense is good, but they have only played against 4 "good" QBs (Rodgers, Rivers, Manning and Romo) and lost two of those (against Rivers and Romo). They beat up on mediocre and poor QBs. I just am not sure how much you can take away beating the likes of Kirk Cousins and whoever St. L rolled out there at QB (that they lost to once). Is Seattle's defense good - absolutely. Are they better than the 2000 Baltimore Ravens and the best team since the 1985 Bears (as ESPN personality John Clayton contended in this article - item #10)? I doubt it.
Stop Lynch (easier said than done) and don't make too many mistakes and they have a real shot at winning this, even with a Gimpy Rodgers. He's magic sometimes. Really want the Packers to win this one! Am very excited for Sunday!
Looking to Seattle. I hope everyone and their brother who is picking Seattle against the gimpy Rodgers helps with Seattle's overconfidence (similar to what the Packers were when they played Denver in the Superbowl back in 1997 season - no one thought Denver would win. I heard one of the Seattle Newspapers had a piece on how to travel and get tickets to Phoenix - a tad presumptuous perhaps?). Seattle was in a dogfight with the Carolina Panthers in last week's game (Car- with no great WRs or QB who was spraying them all over the field, missing open receivers and throwing 2 picks) before they broke it open in the fourth quarter. Here's my initial thoughts:
1) The Packers and Seattle teams that shows up on Sunday are different than week 1, let's count the ways:
a) Bulaga went out with a knee injury, meaning freaking Derrick Sherrod was the revolving door at right tackle giving up 2 sacks. Sherrod was later cut.
b) That was rookie center Linsley's first start. What an indoctrination. Should be a different game
c) With the a) and b) above, the line has had great consistency. This will be a big key if they have a shot. Here's a nice article on the Packers' O-Line http://grantland.com/features/green-bay-packers-offensive-line-aaron-rodgers/
d) Besides Linsley, rookies TE Rodgers and Davante have come on of late. Don't underestimate these role players.
e) Lacy was concussed for some of the second half last game. Not that it mattered by that point, but nonetheless.
f) Defense was tweaked halfway through the season, which helped their rankings a lot, pulling them out of the basement. I think they'll have some new wrinkles, but not sure it will help much against Russel "The Wizard" Wilson.
g) On the Seattle side, they traded Harvin, who gashed the Packers in week 1. They decided to roll the dice with speedy rookie Paul Richardson as WR#3 and as special teams kick returner, but unfortunately he tore his ACL. The loss of Harvin and Richardson leave them a little light at WR, and may have a cumulative impact on special teams. Not much quality depth behind Baldwin and Kearse. Luke Wilson is good though.
2) Cowboys had probably the better offense between them and the Seahawks. Seattle don't have a receiver like Dez or Megatron (the last two teams they played), which means that safety that was helping out more in those games can help out more in the box as needed. Both Dallas and Seattle have very good running backs. Wilson is a much different animal than Romo, and Carrol's play calling is trickster, but Wilson only threw 20 TDs on the year. They rely much more on the running game, defense, and Wilson making something happen to extend and make plays.
3) Seattle's Defense is really good, more complete than Detroit's. But if you look at their record, they beat 4 playoff teams in the regular season (GB week 1, a faltering Arizona twice in the last 5 weeks [against Drew Stanton and Lindley {who?}], Denver at home in OT, and the 7-8-1 Carolina (a 13-9 barn burner). They lost to Dallas at home. Their signature win was probably the Denver win. You play who you play, and their defense is good, but they have only played against 4 "good" QBs (Rodgers, Rivers, Manning and Romo) and lost two of those (against Rivers and Romo). They beat up on mediocre and poor QBs. I just am not sure how much you can take away beating the likes of Kirk Cousins and whoever St. L rolled out there at QB (that they lost to once). Is Seattle's defense good - absolutely. Are they better than the 2000 Baltimore Ravens and the best team since the 1985 Bears (as ESPN personality John Clayton contended in this article - item #10)? I doubt it.
Stop Lynch (easier said than done) and don't make too many mistakes and they have a real shot at winning this, even with a Gimpy Rodgers. He's magic sometimes. Really want the Packers to win this one! Am very excited for Sunday!
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