What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

NFL Comeback player of the year 2010? (1 Viewer)

Dog killer v. Fatty

  • Michael Vick, QB Eagles

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Mike Williams, WR Seahawks

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    0
Jayrod

Jayrod

Footballguy
This year, the award means a lot more than just some good player who got hurt the year before.

IMO, these are the two best comeback players stories in a long time.

You have Vick, sat out for 2 full years, spent time in prison and looked like a shadow of his former self last season. Now he is an MVP candidate and just had his jersey taken to Canton last week for one of the greatest single game performances in league history.

Then you have Williams, who was a poster child for first round busts, struggled for 3 years in the league and was completely out of the league for the last 2 years. He has already this season caught more passes than his first three years combined. He is the lone bright spot for a struggling team and even played through a broken finger last week to catch 11 passes for 145 yards.

Just curious about who you would vote for at this point and why.

 
Vick will win this unanimously...and he should.

Mike Williams shouldn't even be a candiate, as he was never a good NFL player before this year. You had to have been good before to make a comeback.

 
Vick could get hurt and be out for a 3 game stretch and I still see him having this one locked up. In the end I think he'll get snubbed on MVP votes, so this will be his consolation prize.

 
Ghost Rider said:
Vick will win this unanimously...and he should.

Mike Williams shouldn't even be a candiate, as he was never a good NFL player before this year. You had to have been good before to make a comeback.
Click to expand...
I guess I didn't think about this part.He was incredibly hyped and considered one of the best college WR's in history. The knock was never his talent, but his work ethic.

I think if it wasn't for Vick, Williams would be a shoe in.

 
BMW would be in the running for most improved if there was such an award, but then lose out to DMC.

Vick is the comeback

 
I guess I just see being completely out of football and then being good (BMW) or great (Vick) is a greater feat than having a down year or playing better after changing teams.

I don't think TO or LT are really good candidates as their performances have more to do with a change of scenery than their own improvement.

And Brandon Lloyd I consider the biggest surprise of the year, but I'm not sure where he is coming back from.

 
I go BMW easily...but thats because I take it a little differently then most, comeback to me is being out of the league or coming back from an injury. Vick was in the league last year so he doesnt qualify for me.

 
The comeback player of the year is BMW. He was a fat, lazy bust who looks great after years of doing nothing.

Vick is a greatly improved player who was only out of the NFL due to his own mistake. I cannot believe anyone voted for Vick. He served his time for his crime but he is still an idiot. I do not reward people that make really dumb decisions.

 
Bri said:
BMW IMO
Click to expand...
I don't understand any possible consideration for BMW over Vick other than your feelings about him off the field and what he did to the dogs. BMW 46-545-1, nice stats but his team isn't winning and he's MAYBE in the top 20-25 wrs now.

Vick in 6 games (one of which he was hurt early and another he came in in the 2nd half) has thrown for 1350 yards, nearly 63% completions, 11 td's 0 ints and 44-341-4 RUSHING. Vick also plays a much more valuable position and arguably has played the best at his position this year. Based on their play on the field this isn't even remotely close.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
DocHolliday said:
The comeback player of the year is BMW. He was a fat, lazy bust who looks great after years of doing nothing.

Vick is a greatly improved player who was only out of the NFL due to his own mistake. I cannot believe anyone voted for Vick. He served his time for his crime but he is still an idiot. I do not reward people that make really dumb decisions.
Click to expand...
Hear that, Vick? You might as well go roll over and die somewhere. You're not allowed to have any good happen to you anymore. The NFL should make his touchdowns only worth 5 points.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
If its not Vick, its Brandon Lloyd.

This guy disappeared off the NFL radar for what? 3-4 years after he was last a starter, and is arguably statistically the best WR in the league this year so far.

Hes averaging 107 ypg, 20.2 yards per catch, and has 6 TDs. That projects to 1712/20.2/11 over the course of a season.

Absolutely sick #s.

 
KiddLattimer said:
Bad time to ask the question... 1 week after one of the biggest fantasy performances in years
Click to expand...
Both guys had their best performances last week. That just shows the difference in their best performances and just how far apart they are. Williams performance put him 13th last week among WRs while Vick was maybe the best fantasy/NFL performance in the history of the NFL.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
butcher boy said:
Vick is probably the comeback player of all time. It's not even close.
Click to expand...
Using what standard?Players have come back from greater, non-self induced issues. In recent years, Tedy Bruschi came back from a stroke and contributed on some good Pats teams. During the Vietnam War, Rocky Bleier was shot in the left thigh and then had an exploding grenade send shrapnel into his right leg. He returned to contribute as a running back and win championships with the Steelers. Neither guy recahed the ceiling in their comeback that Vick is now reaching, but both arguably overcame a greater hurdle.

Then there are other guys that didn't go through as much as Vick did, but after losing a portion of their career to injury, came back and played at a high level for longer than Vick has at this point. Joe Montana and Tom Brady come to mind.

 
Jayrod said:
This year, the award means a lot more than just some good player who got hurt the year before.IMO, these are the two best comeback players stories in a long time.You have Vick, sat out for 2 full years, spent time in prison and looked like a shadow of his former self last season. Now he is an MVP candidate and just had his jersey taken to Canton last week for one of the greatest single game performances in league history.Then you have Williams, who was a poster child for first round busts, struggled for 3 years in the league and was completely out of the league for the last 2 years. He has already this season caught more passes than his first three years combined. He is the lone bright spot for a struggling team and even played through a broken finger last week to catch 11 passes for 145 yards.Just curious about who you would vote for at this point and why.
Click to expand...
I love what BMW is doing. He's playing great ball right now and nobody expected to ever hear from him again. Vick is having a very nice season too, but hasn't played in all the games.A third option and I believe the best option is Brandon Lloyd. He's leading the NFL in receiving yards right now and almost has a thousand already. He's just playing lights out football consistently.
 
Jayrod said:
Ghost Rider said:
Vick will win this unanimously...and he should.

Mike Williams shouldn't even be a candiate, as he was never a good NFL player before this year. You had to have been good before to make a comeback.
Click to expand...
I guess I didn't think about this part.He was incredibly hyped and considered one of the best college WR's in history. The knock was never his talent, but his work ethic.

I think if it wasn't for Vick, Williams would be a shoe in.
Click to expand...
I agree. In most other years, Williams would be the "shoe-in", but I agree with other that it is not close. I am curious as to who votes on the award and whether there will be any Vick backlash.
 
Sabertooth said:
Jayrod said:
This year, the award means a lot more than just some good player who got hurt the year before.

IMO, these are the two best comeback players stories in a long time.

You have Vick, sat out for 2 full years, spent time in prison and looked like a shadow of his former self last season. Now he is an MVP candidate and just had his jersey taken to Canton last week for one of the greatest single game performances in league history.

Then you have Williams, who was a poster child for first round busts, struggled for 3 years in the league and was completely out of the league for the last 2 years. He has already this season caught more passes than his first three years combined. He is the lone bright spot for a struggling team and even played through a broken finger last week to catch 11 passes for 145 yards.

Just curious about who you would vote for at this point and why.
Click to expand...
I love what BMW is doing. He's playing great ball right now and nobody expected to ever hear from him again. Vick is having a very nice season too, but hasn't played in all the games.A third option and I believe the best option is Brandon Lloyd. He's leading the NFL in receiving yards right now and almost has a thousand already. He's just playing lights out football consistently.
Click to expand...
Another good nmination (I forgot all about him). I was thinking Fitzpatrick could be a top three kind of guy, but he seems to have fizzled a bit the past couple of weeks and has no wins.
 
Jewell said:
butcher boy said:
Vick is probably the comeback player of all time. It's not even close.
Click to expand...
Using what standard?Players have come back from greater, non-self induced issues. In recent years, Tedy Bruschi came back from a stroke and contributed on some good Pats teams. During the Vietnam War, Rocky Bleier was shot in the left thigh and then had an exploding grenade send shrapnel into his right leg. He returned to contribute as a running back and win championships with the Steelers. Neither guy recahed the ceiling in their comeback that Vick is now reaching, but both arguably overcame a greater hurdle.

Then there are other guys that didn't go through as much as Vick did, but after losing a portion of their career to injury, came back and played at a high level for longer than Vick has at this point. Joe Montana and Tom Brady come to mind.
Click to expand...
I meant its not even close for this year. All time, it's a lot closer but I'd still probably take Vick. A little while ago he was dropping the soap in the shower in prison, and now he's a candidate for league MVP
 
Comeback from what? I see this award as coming back from a adverse situation NOT brought on by yourself, therefore Vick shouldn't even be mentioned. Great season but his situation was brought on by one person. Michael Vick.

 
With Vick, I don't know enough about the criteria that the award is based on (does prison/suspension fit in with something the award is designed to recognize coming back from?). I always viewed it as more recognizing an inspirational sort of story.

Besides Vick and Williams, I think Lloyd and Shawn Andrews should get some consideration too.

 
smitty63 said:
Comeback from what? I see this award as coming back from a adverse situation NOT brought on by yourself, therefore Vick shouldn't even be mentioned. Great season but his situation was brought on by one person. Michael Vick.
Click to expand...
I dont think that's the definition of the award. Vick is a guy who was kicked out of the league, served his time (this part is key), battled negative public opinion, and still came out to tear it up on the field. If that doesnt describe what coming back means, then they might as well scrap the award altogether.
 
"The NFL Comeback Player of the Year Award has been given out after every season since 1972 (except for 1985) by Pro Football Weekly. The player named Comeback Player of the Year shows perseverance in overcoming adversity, in the form of not being in the NFL the previous year, a severe injury, or simply poor performance. Beginning in 1992 the Pro Football Writers of America and Pro Football Weekly combined for their awards, including the comeback player of the year, and it continues to this day." ... from wikipedia

 
Last edited by a moderator:
moondog said:
"The NFL Comeback Player of the Year Award has been given out after every season since 1972 (except for 1985) by Pro Football Weekly. The player named Comeback Player of the Year shows perseverance in overcoming adversity, in the form of not being in the NFL the previous year, a severe injury, or simply poor performance. Beginning in 1992 the Pro Football Writers of America and Pro Football Weekly combined for their awards, including the comeback player of the year, and it continues to this day." ... from wikipedia
Click to expand...
Well there are enough thugs in the leauge that the award will always be reserved for a rehabilitated criminal. What people are missing is that Vick WAS in the NFL last year so his opportunity was last year not this year.
 
Banger said:
Bri said:
BMW IMO
Click to expand...
I don't understand any possible consideration for BMW over Vick other than your feelings about him off the field and what he did to the dogs. BMW 46-545-1, nice stats but his team isn't winning and he's MAYBE in the top 20-25 wrs now.

Vick in 6 games (one of which he was hurt early and another he came in in the 2nd half) has thrown for 1350 yards, nearly 63% completions, 11 td's 0 ints and 44-341-4 RUSHING. Vick also plays a much more valuable position and arguably has played the best at his position this year. Based on their play on the field this isn't even remotely close.
Click to expand...
His team may not look good but they are winning the division at the moment. That could certainly change but that i snot a reason to discount the guy since they are currently winning.The real reason to discount the guy is because of how insanely good Vick has played.

 
vandyt said:
If its not Vick, its Brandon Lloyd. This guy disappeared off the NFL radar for what? 3-4 years after he was last a starter, and is arguably statistically the best WR in the league this year so far.Hes averaging 107 ypg, 20.2 yards per catch, and has 6 TDs. That projects to 1712/20.2/11 over the course of a season. Absolutely sick #s.
Click to expand...
I actually like this pick too, this guy came back from nowhere. But Vick prob still leads by a lot depending on how he finishes the season.
 
smitty63 said:
moondog said:
"The NFL Comeback Player of the Year Award has been given out after every season since 1972 (except for 1985) by Pro Football Weekly. The player named Comeback Player of the Year shows perseverance in overcoming adversity, in the form of not being in the NFL the previous year, a severe injury, or simply poor performance. Beginning in 1992 the Pro Football Writers of America and Pro Football Weekly combined for their awards, including the comeback player of the year, and it continues to this day." ... from wikipedia
Click to expand...
Well there are enough thugs in the leauge that the award will always be reserved for a rehabilitated criminal. What people are missing is that Vick WAS in the NFL last year so his opportunity was last year not this year.
Click to expand...
:goodposting: I think that Mike Williams (SEA) has probably got to be on the radar for this award - he was awful the first time around in the NFL but seems to respond to Carroll's coaching well...
 
smitty63 said:
What people are missing is that Vick WAS in the NFL last year so his opportunity was last year not this year.
Click to expand...
I think if Vick came back and played at the same level as he had in the past, then I would agree with you, but he's playing at a level not many QBs have ever reached. Again it depends if he keeps it up all year, but I don't see how they deny him the award if he does.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
footballnerd said:
smitty63 said:
What people are missing is that Vick WAS in the NFL last year so his opportunity was last year not this year.
Click to expand...
I think if Vick came back and played at the same level as he had in the past, then I would agree with you, but he's playing at a level not many QBs have ever reached. Again it depends if he keeps it up all year, but I don't see how they deny him the award if he does.
Click to expand...
Exactly. He served his time for the crime he committed. As far as I know, they let him back in the league 100%, they didn't let him back in the league with the condition that he's not eligible to win awards. To make a comparison, if the Eagles, win the Superbowl this year, would you deny him eligibility for a Superbowl ring because of his past crimes? If not, why would you deny him Comeback Player for the same reason?
 
Have to throw Brett Favre into the mix here. Not saying he should win, or that his numbers are as good as last year's, but the grit he shows every week, dealing with injuries and all the haters, is both heroic and symbolic of what football is all about.

 
smitty63 said:
moondog said:
"The NFL Comeback Player of the Year Award has been given out after every season since 1972 (except for 1985) by Pro Football Weekly. The player named Comeback Player of the Year shows perseverance in overcoming adversity, in the form of not being in the NFL the previous year, a severe injury, or simply poor performance. Beginning in 1992 the Pro Football Writers of America and Pro Football Weekly combined for their awards, including the comeback player of the year, and it continues to this day." ... from wikipedia
Click to expand...
Well there are enough thugs in the leauge that the award will always be reserved for a rehabilitated criminal. What people are missing is that Vick WAS in the NFL last year so his opportunity was last year not this year.
Click to expand...
so his performance last year was not poor? You would call it good?
 
This is a one horse race. Your average fan doesn't even know that BMW is back in the league. The Seahawks aren't a sexy team and will continue to get zero national exposure this year.

And BMW's numbers aren't even that impressive. He's on pace for 82-969-2 which is nice but comes nowhere near as close to what Vick is doing.

 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Scoresman
My 2025 NFL Team Offense Rankings
Replies
2
Views
7K
taylormeetstheismann
taylormeetstheismann
Hurl Bruce
GuillotineLeagues.com
Replies
10
Views
516
(HULK)
(HULK)
BobbyLayne
** Lions at Packers** (-2.5, 47.5) CBS 4:25
2 3 4
Replies
172
Views
2K
Gjallarhorn
Gjallarhorn

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 1 (members: 0, guests: 1)
Back
Top