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I'm sure the NFL is going to be pretty quiet about the whole thing. Someone might leak it, but given that General Zod was on a rampage over the original leaked video, folks might be a bit reluctant to release an info.
Exactly. Mike Ditka was trying his best to make a point on NFL Primetime but as usual his inability to finish complete sentences got in the way.What he was getting at was that nowadays teams have software programs -- or as as Ditka would say 'puters -- that you load up with down & distance, plays called, etc by coach/team. You put in all that info and the computer pretty much spits out the tendency of the team/coach by down & distance which end up being pretty accurate.
Hypothetically speaking, if the NFL got caught doing this, the damage would be exponentially worse than if they went public with any findings. I seriously doubt they would try and cover this up. Too many people in the know to keep quiet.
They destroyed evidence, not just tapes. Looks like coverup to me.
If there is nothing there, then why destroy all potential evidence?It is offensive that the NFL has such disdain for the fans that they would do this. Especially offensive is Belichick's response. Arrogance and hubris wrapped in a hoodie.
Or released to the press under controlled access? The fact is that now we don't know what was on them? And the fact that they were destroyed without showing the public makes me VERY SUSPICIOUS. I for one believe that NE would never have won those Super Bowls without cheating and I think they got off easy. This does not put it to rest.
It is pretty obvious the NFL is doing some cover up. If I had been cheering for a bunch of cheaters for the last 6 years I would probably react the same way as you: complete denial.This fiasco only strengthens the notion that the Pats* indeed received some help (dating from the tuck rule) to build their "dynasty".@ all the
going on in here. Get over it fellas... move on with your lives
All seems fishy/marketing to me.. the Packers and Eagles have a somewhat valid case.... I hope the NFL films all-angles are made available to interested journalists. ME thinks this Bud Selig-like... turn the other cheek.Same on EVERRRRRRY Bostonian who lambasts Barry Bonds, yet seems to call this a non-issue.. a la the Boston6.
Good point. Let's put an asterisk next to the Steelers 5 superbowl wins.
The moon landing was faked, too. And don't get me started about the grassy knoll. Have I mentioned the international banking conspiracy yet?Here's the reality: the Pats got hit with the stiffest team penalty in NFL history and all the other allegations are worth exactly what the losing teams generating them are: nothing.
I don't want to get dragged into this, but I think you're way off here and I think most people are missing this. The information they obtained "illegally" wasn't just useful for that particular game. I'm sure they built dossiers, if you will, on opposing D Coordinators and QBs. Those Coordinators and QBs still play in the NFL. And even if they turned over all the tapes, they still have the knowledge they obtained. So acting as though they suddenly don't have any of the advantage they had anymore is false. Of course they do. Doesn't mean that they aren't a talented team and can't go far this year based solely on that talent. But let's stop fooling ourselves that Belichick got Tommy Lee Jones to shine the red laser in his face and now he forgets all those calls and signals he got off Ted Cotrell.
That's what you'll be doing if you continue to talk to him. Trust me.
Actually, it wasn't useful at all for the present game. It was useful solely in prep for future games. That, of course, doesn't make it any less a violation of the rules.
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Who's denying anything? They broke the rules.. they shot video when they shouldn't have. They likely used that video to gain a competitive advantage. I wish they hadn't. They got caught and were hit with the stiffest pentalty in LEAGUE HISTORY. It's time to move on. They've been penalized... let's focus on 2007, a season where they will continue to dismantle every team they face... without any video aid.It is pretty obvious the NFL is doing some cover up. If I had been cheering for a bunch of cheaters for the last 6 years I would probably react the same way as you: complete denial.This fiasco only strengthens the notion that the Pats* indeed received some help (dating from the tuck rule) to build their "dynasty".going on in here. Get over it fellas... move on with your lives
I've messed around with you a little this past week, but mostly because it's funny how worked up you get over this. But at this point it's getting sad. This is clearly a huge issue for you, but it's over. The season will continue, the Patriots are preparing for another game this week, and the NFL has concluded its investigation. I hope for your sake you get to see your team win a championship at some point, so you understand why nobody cares whether you think their team was good enough to win the championship. Ask a Manning fan whether they care about his miserable numbers in the playoff last year, or a Steelers fan whether they care about the Seahawks' whining about the refs. At the end of the day, I can pinpoint three of the best days in my life, watching the Patriots not only win a world championship, but in an exciting, three point game. I don't even know which one is my favorite. The Rams game was so unexpected, they were two touchdown underdogs, and they got out to an early lead. Everyone in the room was speechless. When the Rams started to come back, you had that horrible feeling that, just like so many Red Sox and Patriots teams before, there was going to be a choke. But then this quarterback who wasn't even supposed to be there, who Belichick had unthinkably started despite the fact that he was nicked up over a healthy Bledsoe no less, led a drive that will be remembered by millions of fans, and certainly by me, for the rest of our lives. The Panthers game, when they were playing last-team-with-the-ball-wins football, was one of the most exciting games in Superbowl history. Both teams' defenses were battered and completely exhausted, both quarterbacks were playing at the absolute peak of their game, and the Patriots emerged victorious. I'm sorry that everyone can't have that feeling. And the Eagles game, when the best Patriots team of their Superbowl run ran into the best Eagles team of their NFCCG run, and Owens came back early from injury and risked his career to play on the biggest stage, and almost stopped a dynasty bound Patriots team on its tracks, until McNabb inexplicably couldn't run the two minute drill. Just incredible. I understand why you think that the world is hanging on what Mad Sweeney thinks of the Patriots' dynasty. I'm sure that it's really important to you that you have cast your vote against the Patriots and OFFICIALLY think they may not have honestly earned their titles. Which is why I really hope for your sake you get to see your team win, because then, maybe, you'll get it.
They were explicitly told to not make any copies and I doubt the Patriots made copies against the wishes of this Commish. He agreed to destroy them and put this story to bed if the Patriots complied. This was why he KNEW the Patriots would comply when interviewed by Costas. There was nothing wishy-washy in his tone. He expected the Patriots to turn everything in as requested and NOT make copies. and I believe the Patriots did just that. There is way too big a price to pay to NOT do that. Especially when it looks like they have the best team in the NFL right now.
I'll buy that. The larger point stands, though. The NFL had no business releasing any of it to the media if no wrongdoing was found.
Are you serious? They don't have to destroy the tapes for that. They can just store them. It's not like another team is going to steal them.They didn't want the fans, the media, or other teams to know what was on those tapes.... ever. No other commissioner will ever see them and second guess the decision. No team will know when, where, or how the Pats cheated so there is no recourse.You don't collect all of the evidence and then summarily destroy it unless you are fearful of it getting out anytime in the present or the future. We only know that what was on there would have damaged the NFL brand. No more, no less... and I'm sure that's how Goodell wants it.
Goodell does not seem like the cover-up type.
You joke, but 2 of those first 3 are true. The truly funny thing is that the grassy knoll and the banking conspiracy are tied together more than most will ever consider. Those brave people that preached avoiding war like JFK and Martin Luther King were murdered, all so the United States could enter into war. Do you really think we are fighting terror, too? Or maybe just propagating the military-industrial complex into perpetuity to the huge monetary benefit of the private banking organizations and private military corporations with direct ties to our current political leaders? The North American Union, the Amero currency??? Ring any bells?? It will in 5 years. Before you laugh, almost no one ever heard of the Euro until it was already annouced and approved. Nah, keeping watching Fox News, they will tell you what they want you to believe! Back on topic: There was no reason to destroy the tapes unless...maybe...they did it befo... - ahh forget it - I am sure this was the first and ONLY time this taping thing ever happened. It is not like the guy knew PRECISELY how to do it to document down and distance in order to time the defensive playcall. OK, well he did. Well, uh then...he must have been a genius to have figured out how to do that so well - this being his first time trying it and all.
I could tell you what is on the tapes ...dozens of defensive coaches making stupid hand gestures. That is what is on the tapes. They could release them, and they would be just as unengaging and unfulfilling as the tape from the Jets game that someone leaked to FOX.What else could possibly be on them?It's done and over.I know Steeler Fan here doesn't seem to think so .. and you're all welcome to harbor your X-Files conspiracies to the grave, but as far as the NFL and public are concerned, this case is closed.
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I'd guess that the Pats made use of the video taped signals during the game, otherwise, why would you risk getting caught on the road when playing an NFC team that you may only play once every 4 years. I agree that no former player coming out against them is telling, but this story broke less than 2 weeks ago, and I'm sure some former players knew video taping opposing coaches was illegal.
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