Selfishly curious on what happens to Jordan Mason whom I have always loved as a runner. Restricted FA who could be a great fit for a lot of teams. However a tough year to be a FA RB with a deep crop coming in.
I agree and think he is honestly at least a top 15 back in this league. I just don’t know with the incoming class he will get the same attention that he normally he would.Selfishly curious on what happens to Jordan Mason whom I have always loved as a runner. Restricted FA who could be a great fit for a lot of teams. However a tough year to be a FA RB with a deep crop coming in.
In my opinion, he's already proven it. I'm not sure what more he needs to do to get a shot and a payday. He ran wild over the Jets last year and exposed their toughness issues. Not every back can do that.
I think SF would view it as a priority to keep him, given CMCs 2024. I think Mason is light years ahead of Guerendo. Mason and Allgeier are 2 guys I think are better than half the starters in the NFL but just stuck behind CMC and Bijan.I agree and think he is honestly at least a top 15 back in this league. I just don’t know with the incoming class he will get the same attention that he normally he would.Selfishly curious on what happens to Jordan Mason whom I have always loved as a runner. Restricted FA who could be a great fit for a lot of teams. However a tough year to be a FA RB with a deep crop coming in.
In my opinion, he's already proven it. I'm not sure what more he needs to do to get a shot and a payday. He ran wild over the Jets last year and exposed their toughness issues. Not every back can do that.
I'm still excited about FA, should see some trades to help, but I think it's been quiet on talk about it because it pales so much vs last year.is there a thread somewhere that I can't find? If not, can one of you smart people start a thread and post opinions about FA cuz I think it's in two weeks?
(It's always two weeks)
It's cheap for the 49ers to keep him on either a right of first refusal at roughly $3M or the next higher level of a second round compensation at $5.35 million. I can't see a team willing to give up a 2nd for him, even at the lower level not sure anyone would sign him for such a significantly higher amount that SF wouldn't be willing to match it. CMC's contract guarantees he'll be a 49er at least for 2025. Which means Mason will be turning 27 as a FA next year. Deep draft class this year and SF seems to get production out of tons of RB's plus Elijah Mitchell is still under contract as well so his hold on the prime backup to CMC spot seems no lock either. Just don't see much value outside of a handcuff or likelihood he's not in a backup role again in '25 and then old as a FA next year.Selfishly curious on what happens to Jordan Mason whom I have always loved as a runner. Restricted FA who could be a great fit for a lot of teams. However a tough year to be a FA RB with a deep crop coming in.
FYI he's not.Elijah Mitchell is still under contract as well
This IMO is the only viable path they retain him and still not sure they want to, but for $3m they might see value in holding his rights for now. That's what I'd do if I was them, hold him for $3M and try to work out a trade either now or later and worst case you got a guy who can compete for the backup role and maybe get a comp pick back in 27.It's cheap for the 49ers to keep him on either a right of first refusal at roughly $3M
I think he is a top 15 runner in the league as of right now, but we have not seen enough in the passing game to know the extent of his capabilities there (looked capable on his whopping 14 targets last year). I think MIN would be a great fit (and they saw him run for a 100 against them last year), but with the incoming talent at RB in this class teams may be prone to search in the draft versus free agency (although in MIN case they currently do not have a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th round pick in this draft).You are all a lot higher on Mason then I am.
Fact he’s a RFA is only reason I think he has a shot of staying in SF, would all but guarantee he’s gone if he was an UFA.
Don’t hate him, in fact already drafted him this year in one of my few drafts I’ve finished but I think he’s just a high quality 2 down backup in terms of talent.
Steelers are the team I had in my head when I drafted him that I think makes sense and would be a plus landing spot.
Would be an interesting fit although I thought they just extended Rham. With the cap space, I am sure they will be aggressive surrounding Maye with as many weapons as they can no matter the position.I could definitely see Mason getting a sneaky good contract if he becomes un-restricted...a team like the Pats have a ton of holes and can only do so much in the draft...with all their cap space Mason is the type of RB Vrabel could like and they could give him a deal that would be much more than the Niners would go near.
Would be an interesting fit although I thought they just extended Rham. With the cap space, I am sure they will be aggressive surrounding Maye with as many weapons as they can no matter the position.I could definitely see Mason getting a sneaky good contract if he becomes un-restricted...a team like the Pats have a ton of holes and can only do so much in the draft...with all their cap space Mason is the type of RB Vrabel could like and they could give him a deal that would be much more than the Niners would go near.
Agreed re Mason, maybe if the RB class were a dud (it's not), but the stars are not aligned for a team to make the sort of offer necessary to get him out of SF.It's cheap for the 49ers to keep him on either a right of first refusal at roughly $3M or the next higher level of a second round compensation at $5.35 million. I can't see a team willing to give up a 2nd for him, even at the lower level not sure anyone would sign him for such a significantly higher amount that SF wouldn't be willing to match it. CMC's contract guarantees he'll be a 49er at least for 2025. Which means Mason will be turning 27 as a FA next year. Deep draft class this year and SF seems to get production out of tons of RB's plus Elijah Mitchell is still under contract as well so his hold on the prime backup to CMC spot seems no lock either. Just don't see much value outside of a handcuff or likelihood he's not in a backup role again in '25 and then old as a FA next year.Selfishly curious on what happens to Jordan Mason whom I have always loved as a runner. Restricted FA who could be a great fit for a lot of teams. However a tough year to be a FA RB with a deep crop coming in.
Agreed re Mason, maybe if the RB class were a dud (it's not), but the stars are not aligned for a team to make the sort of offer necessary to get him out of SF.It's cheap for the 49ers to keep him on either a right of first refusal at roughly $3M or the next higher level of a second round compensation at $5.35 million. I can't see a team willing to give up a 2nd for him, even at the lower level not sure anyone would sign him for such a significantly higher amount that SF wouldn't be willing to match it. CMC's contract guarantees he'll be a 49er at least for 2025. Which means Mason will be turning 27 as a FA next year. Deep draft class this year and SF seems to get production out of tons of RB's plus Elijah Mitchell is still under contract as well so his hold on the prime backup to CMC spot seems no lock either. Just don't see much value outside of a handcuff or likelihood he's not in a backup role again in '25 and then old as a FA next year.Selfishly curious on what happens to Jordan Mason whom I have always loved as a runner. Restricted FA who could be a great fit for a lot of teams. However a tough year to be a FA RB with a deep crop coming in.
My bet is on SF looking at Mason from strictly a 2025 perspective. They've picked a mid-round RB in 3 of the last 4 drafts while finding both Mitchell (6th rd) and Mason (udfa) for less. Last year's rook flashed with his opps and I expect them to take another swing in this year's draft - it's just what they do.While I agree with the big picture analysis of that he has shown a lot more than a rookie has so he could get a decent offer (again as a Pats fan I would have zero issues paying him and using their picks on the 100 other holes they have)...San Fran has Purdy and a host of other contract/cap stuff to deal with (as well as having Cmac and Guerendo already on the roster and Shanny's having a pretty good history with RBs) so I'm not sure how much they will extend for him...I guess we'll get a good idea by what type of tag they put on him...this is an interesting one.
My bet is on SF looking at Mason from strictly a 2025 perspective. They've picked a mid-round RB in 3 of the last 4 drafts while finding both Mitchell (6th rd) and Mason (udfa) for less. Last year's rook flashed with his opps and I expect them to take another swing in this year's draft - it's just what they do.While I agree with the big picture analysis of that he has shown a lot more than a rookie has so he could get a decent offer (again as a Pats fan I would have zero issues paying him and using their picks on the 100 other holes they have)...San Fran has Purdy and a host of other contract/cap stuff to deal with (as well as having Cmac and Guerendo already on the roster and Shanny's having a pretty good history with RBs) so I'm not sure how much they will extend for him...I guess we'll get a good idea by what type of tag they put on him...this is an interesting one.
They'll circle back around to their RB room and reassess this time next year. If Mason balls out again when he's given his shots then he'll probably price himself out of returning.
Thanks, your bolded comment is what I meant by mine. I think he's just another guy who like most before him had success in this offense. Was fighting for third string duties entering his third year and only got elevated because of injuries and the moment CMC came back Kyle barely used him. Will give him credit, he ran good and hard, but again that's pretty much the norm for whoever is the RB in this offense.I think he is a top 15 runner in the league as of right now, but we have not seen enough in the passing game to know the extent of his capabilities there (looked capable on his whopping 14 targets last year). I think MIN would be a great fit (and they saw him run for a 100 against them last year), but with the incoming talent at RB in this class teams may be prone to search in the draft versus free agency (although in MIN case they currently do not have a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th round pick in this draft).You are all a lot higher on Mason then I am.
Fact he’s a RFA is only reason I think he has a shot of staying in SF, would all but guarantee he’s gone if he was an UFA.
Don’t hate him, in fact already drafted him this year in one of my few drafts I’ve finished but I think he’s just a high quality 2 down backup in terms of talent.
Steelers are the team I had in my head when I drafted him that I think makes sense and would be a plus landing spot.
Other then ball security how so?Stevenson is not a Vrabel guy and his ball security
Other then ball security how so?Stevenson is not a Vrabel guy and his ball security
Yeah, Mason is a lot better pure runner than a lot of current starters. KC or the Chargers wouldn’t surprise.Selfishly curious on what happens to Jordan Mason whom I have always loved as a runner. Restricted FA who could be a great fit for a lot of teams. However a tough year to be a FA RB with a deep crop coming in.
Thanks, as you indicated I assumed you meant he was not a fan. I would mention McDaniels was his OC his rookie year so there is familiarity but that does not mean a lot to what you are saying.Other then ball security how so?Stevenson is not a Vrabel guy and his ball security
Not style...meant Stevenson was here before Vrabel.
Thanks, as you indicated I assumed you meant he was not a fan. I would mention McDaniels was his OC his rookie year so there is familiarity but that does not mean a lot to what you are saying.Other then ball security how so?Stevenson is not a Vrabel guy and his ball security
Not style...meant Stevenson was here before Vrabel.
I'm sure they will draft a RB, close to zero doubt, but I keep saying around here I expect 30 RB's to get drafted. Probably more of a priority for them then most though for sure.
I'll just add that while Rhamondre's fumbles were a major issue last year I do think it's correctable and it's not been a huge issue previously. But regarding Mason he actually fumbled 3x last year, once every 54.6 touches. Rhamondre prior to last year was one fumble per 88.57. Again big issue for Rhamondre last year that can't continue, just pointing out if ball security is the major issue with Rhamondre it does not seem like Mason would be the pivot to address that particular issue.
What you're describing is why I think they'd be wise to exercise restraint in March. Be selectively aggressive with starting caliber players that have multiple years of their prime left. The Pats need to take advantage of Maye's rookie contract window, but they are not going to go from 8-26 to AFC East champ in a year. I think targeting multi-yr starters like 26 yo Alaric Jackson, 26 yo Milton Williams, 27 yo Dre Greenlaw, 25 yo Jevon Holland - assuming they are scheme fits - is their optimum strategy. Maybe address WR via trade for an expensive vet that doesn't cost much draft capital.The thing with the Pats (as I mentioned before) is they have so many holes and so much cap space anything is possible in free agency
Yeah, i must have read Sportrac wrong as you are correct, Mitchell is an UFA now.FYI he's not.Elijah Mitchell is still under contract as well
This IMO is the only viable path they retain him and still not sure they want to, but for $3m they might see value in holding his rights for now. That's what I'd do if I was them, hold him for $3M and try to work out a trade either now or later and worst case you got a guy who can compete for the backup role and maybe get a comp pick back in 27.It's cheap for the 49ers to keep him on either a right of first refusal at roughly $3M
I believe their interest in retaining him is minimal because other then Guerendo they have a 5 picks in rounds 3 and 4. . Which should be a honey hole area they can draft a RB(s) and this team loves drafting RB's.
Ran Carthon was the main proponent of RB success drafting in SF and it got him(noticed enough) his job in TEN.My bet is on SF looking at Mason from strictly a 2025 perspective. They've picked a mid-round RB in 3 of the last 4 drafts while finding both Mitchell (6th rd) and Mason (udfa) for less. Last year's rook flashed with his opps and I expect them to take another swing in this year's draft - it's just what they do.While I agree with the big picture analysis of that he has shown a lot more than a rookie has so he could get a decent offer (again as a Pats fan I would have zero issues paying him and using their picks on the 100 other holes they have)...San Fran has Purdy and a host of other contract/cap stuff to deal with (as well as having Cmac and Guerendo already on the roster and Shanny's having a pretty good history with RBs) so I'm not sure how much they will extend for him...I guess we'll get a good idea by what type of tag they put on him...this is an interesting one.
They'll circle back around to their RB room and reassess this time next year. If Mason balls out again when he's given his shots then he'll probably price himself out of returning.
Not FA, but any chance a quality TE like njoku or mark Andrew's gets traded? My Broncos need one.
He's unreliable but if he made it to the open market he's arguably the best combo of talent and youth to ever make UFA at his position and he'd be doing so in a year teams have a ton of cap space, not a lot of big time players to spend it on and not an awesome WR class. So despite the lack of reliablity, I excpect if he hit the open market he blows past $30M.I feel like tee Higgins is too unreliable for a big contract. Is it just me?
They may not but lack of explosive big play ability, deep RB class and while I know we have outliers and not everyone ages the same I've read some NFL teams have done studies and have 27 as age a lot of RB's start declining so I'd personally not phrase it as "only" 27.Najee Harris is "only" 27. Why is PIT letting him leave?
He's got a RB3 PPG season left in him,but a lot of worry about an older RB coming off career high usage missing games.Does Aaron Jones have one really good season left in him?
Always thought Bobby Turner and Kyle had huge says and other then I don't think they've actually drafted RB's that well. TDR, that Williams guy who flamed out super quick. Not great. Mitchell's been good when he played but the system sure helps and he has not played a lot. Guerendo looks solid but again the system and to early to tell yet. Mason was not drafted.Ran Carthon was the main proponent of RB success drafting in SF and it got him(noticed enough) his job in TEN.My bet is on SF looking at Mason from strictly a 2025 perspective. They've picked a mid-round RB in 3 of the last 4 drafts while finding both Mitchell (6th rd) and Mason (udfa) for less. Last year's rook flashed with his opps and I expect them to take another swing in this year's draft - it's just what they do.While I agree with the big picture analysis of that he has shown a lot more than a rookie has so he could get a decent offer (again as a Pats fan I would have zero issues paying him and using their picks on the 100 other holes they have)...San Fran has Purdy and a host of other contract/cap stuff to deal with (as well as having Cmac and Guerendo already on the roster and Shanny's having a pretty good history with RBs) so I'm not sure how much they will extend for him...I guess we'll get a good idea by what type of tag they put on him...this is an interesting one.
They'll circle back around to their RB room and reassess this time next year. If Mason balls out again when he's given his shots then he'll probably price himself out of returning.
They haven't been as good since.
I'm right there with ya.Always thought Bobby Turner and Kyle had huge says and other then I don't think they've actually drafted RB's that well. TDR, that Williams guy who flamed out super quick. Not great. Mitchell's been good when he played but the system sure helps and he has not played a lot. Guerendo looks solid but again the system and to early to tell yet. Mason was not drafted.Ran Carthon was the main proponent of RB success drafting in SF and it got him(noticed enough) his job in TEN.My bet is on SF looking at Mason from strictly a 2025 perspective. They've picked a mid-round RB in 3 of the last 4 drafts while finding both Mitchell (6th rd) and Mason (udfa) for less. Last year's rook flashed with his opps and I expect them to take another swing in this year's draft - it's just what they do.While I agree with the big picture analysis of that he has shown a lot more than a rookie has so he could get a decent offer (again as a Pats fan I would have zero issues paying him and using their picks on the 100 other holes they have)...San Fran has Purdy and a host of other contract/cap stuff to deal with (as well as having Cmac and Guerendo already on the roster and Shanny's having a pretty good history with RBs) so I'm not sure how much they will extend for him...I guess we'll get a good idea by what type of tag they put on him...this is an interesting one.
They'll circle back around to their RB room and reassess this time next year. If Mason balls out again when he's given his shots then he'll probably price himself out of returning.
They haven't been as good since.
Probably forgetting someone but it's an awesome RB system and they've spent 3 thirds and a 6th and best they have to show for it is Gurendo and an often injured Mitchell. I'd have to rate that as belowe average to poor.
Selfishly curious on what happens to
Jordan Mason
whom I have always loved as a runner. Restricted FA who could be a great fit for a lot of teams. However a tough year to be a FA RB with a deep crop coming in.
I could definitely see
Mason
getting a sneaky good contract if he becomes un-restricted...a team like the Pats have a ton of holes and can only do so much in the draft...with all their cap space
Mason
is the type of RB Vrabel could like and they could give him a deal that would be much more than the Niners would go near.
Najee Harris
is "only" 27. Why is PIT letting him leave?
Does Aaron Jones have one really good season left in him?
I feel like tee Higgins is too unreliable for a big contract. Is it just me?
I don't think he is leaving. Thought there were rumors that Tomlin wants him back?Najee Harris is "only" 27. Why is PIT letting him leave?
If Najee leaves, CIN will be the last team he would go to. While Mixon was still on the team, numerous team officials (including the HC) were repeatedly stating they wanted the run game to be more explosive. Najee may have many good RB traits, but explosiveness is not one of them.Najee Harris
is "only" 27. Why is PIT letting him leave?
He's the same guy now that he was as a rookie...maybe even a lesser player. He'll find a home - dark horse = CIN.
There were 37 RB that had at least 500 carries over the past 4 seasons. Harris ranked 32nd, behind only Rachaad White, Zeke Elliott, Jamaal Williams, Kareem Hunt, and Alexander Mattison. If we changed that to 500 touches instead of carries, Harris ranked 38th out of 42 RB in terms of yards per touch.Najee Harris is "only" 27. Why is PIT letting him leave?
Would not rule out Darnold, I think chatter has just been light on who they might pursue because it's just started to dawn on people that Stafford might leave and we've not moved into the heavy discussion on replacement phase of this yet. But if they don't make legit pursuit if Stafford leaves here is why I think that would be.With all the smoke around Stafford, why isn't there more chatter about Darnold possibly heading to LAR given the relationship between McVay/O'Connell? They've revamped that team with a young core really fast and Darnold is 28.
Pure guessing game at this point with super low confidence level I'd get any correct so not even going to try right now. It's especially difficult to forecast until the big QB domino falls, which is Stafford. Just starting there if he leaves then you've got to think Rodgers and Cousins are viable replacement options.Diving into the veteran QB market outside of Darnold, you've got Fields, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Daniel Jones, Jameis Winston, likely Kirk Cousins, even Zach Wilson. Where are the landing spots?
If last season is any indication they will spend it smartly. It's not a great FA class so despite being flush with cap space and a QB on his rookie deal I think they will be prudent. I do expect them to land a one of the many older WR's that are flooding the market right now on an affordable type deal. Which one is the harder guess. If Peters thinks Deebo can still play close to level he did when was with the 49'ers is one of many options.WAS has turned their team around in a season behind Jayden Daniels. They are 3rd in the NFL in cap space...where do they spend it?
That most of that is low end is really interesting.@Bri here are what Spotrac considers market value for the QBs that should be on the market . . .
Darnold - 4/$160M
Stafford - 2/$83.5M
RWilson - 2/$77.5M
Winston - 2/$12M
Fields - 1/$6.4M
Lock - 2/$6.2M
Jones - 1/$5.4M
Rush - 1/$5M
Mariota - 1/$4.2M
Stick - 1/$4M
Rudolph - 1/$3.8M
ZWilson - 1/$3.3M
Flacco - 1/$3.2M
Brissett - 1/$3.1M
Garoppolo - 1/$3M
Keenum - 1/$2.9M
Stidham - 1/$2.6M
Dalton - 1/$2.5M
Lance - 1/$2.1M
Wentz - 1/$1.9M
Heinicke - 1/$1.3M
No values listed for Daniel Jones, Aaron Rodgers, or Kirk Cousins. OverTheCap has Jones valuation at $13.3M, Rodgers at $31.4M, and Cousins at $22M.
Not suggesting that's what any of these guy are worth or what they will sign for. Only posting what I have seen in terms of their relative worth.
@Bri here’s what Spotrac considers market value for the QBs that should be on the market . . .
Darnold - 4/$160M
Stafford - 2/$83.5M
RWilson - 2/$77.5M
Winston - 2/$12M
Fields - 1/$6.4M
Lock - 2/$6.2M
MJones - 1/$5.4M
Rush - 1/$5M
Mariota - 1/$4.2M
Stick - 1/$4M
Rudolph - 1/$3.8M
ZWilson - 1/$3.3M
Flacco - 1/$3.2M
Brissett - 1/$3.1M
Garoppolo - 1/$3M
Keenum - 1/$2.9M
Stidham - 1/$2.6M
Dalton - 1/$2.5M
Lance - 1/$2.1M
Wentz - 1/$1.9M
Heinicke - 1/$1.3M
No values listed for Daniel Jones, Aaron Rodgers, or Kirk Cousins. OverTheCap has Jones valuation at $13.3M, Rodgers at $31.4M, and Cousins at $22M.
Not suggesting that's what any of these guy are worth or what they will sign for. Only posting what I have seen in terms of their relative worth.