NFL League Year and IR Question (1 Viewer)

[cobalt_27]

Adrian Peterson and Matt Forte just went on IR and are done for the year. How does this give teams an advantage (e.g., salary cap, roster space, etc)? When does this advantage terminate? End of the 2011 league year?

In a sort of related question...When does the new 2012 league year begin, technically? Are AP and Forte still considered on the IR in 2012 until the team officially removes them?

 

[David Yudkin]

The adantage is it frees up a roster spot. They are no longer to play on their repective teams. IIRC, if they were to be released and they signed on a new team, they would not have to be on the new team's IR.

The new NFL season starts on or around March 1st. Teams do not take someone off of IR, they get reinstated when the new NFL season starts. Teams can then place players on a preseason PUP list for training camp, but a player cannot practice until he is cleared to play and taken off the PUP list. Note that this is a different PUP list than the one to start the regular season. The preseason PUP list is the one that teams can take someone off of. Once taken off the preseason PUP list, that player cannot go back on it.

A player is eligible to go on regulare season PUP if he was on the preseason PUP list and never came off of it. In that case, the player would miss the first 6 games of the regular season. After 6 weeks in the regular season, a team has two more weeks to activate the player, so a player would have to be activated by Week 9 of the regular season. If not activated, the team can either put the player on season ending IR or release him.

 

[cobalt_27]

Thanks, David. That's exactly the info I was looking for. Any link to these league rules?

 

[Bri]

The advantage is it frees up a roster spot. They are no longer to play on their repective teams. IIRC, if they were to be released and they signed on a new team, they would not have to be on the new team's IR.The new NFL season starts on or around March 1st. Teams do not take someone off of IR, they get reinstated when the new NFL season starts. Teams can then place players on a preseason PUP list for training camp, but a player cannot practice until he is cleared to play and taken off the PUP list. Note that this is a different PUP list than the one to start the regular season. The preseason PUP list is the one that teams can take someone off of. Once taken off the preseason PUP list, that player cannot go back on it.A player is eligible to go on regular season PUP if he was on the preseason PUP list and never came off of it. In that case, the player would miss the first 6 games of the regular season. After 6 weeks in the regular season, a team has two more weeks to activate the player, so a player would have to be activated by Week 9 of the regular season. If not activated, the team can either put the player on season ending IR or release him.

to reiterate that first sentence-an injured player on IR is done for the year. He's contractually done and this is an agreement urged by the NFLPA to protect and injured player from being forced into action so if he's on IR he's done. In preseason teams play games with reporting injuries and IR and all. The NFL has tried to stop them and done pretty well. (Nother thread nother time) An injured player that feels like he's not out for a year but maybe a brief time instead may sign an injury settlement. So he and the team agree on an amount and this is the release David mentioned. Like FF teams don't have unlimited IR spots and injury settlements are often times half a salary for the current year. A player gets $ up front and maybe an opportunity elsewhere, while the team frees up some cash, cap space, and a roster spot. The latter three points are very sensitive issues that teams have to somehow finagle through each preseason and widdle their rosters down, so that's why this is most often a preseason move for a team or player.Most fans don't wholly understand how more than 100 players can be on a team in a given calendar year, yet 53 on a roster. There's 80 or so bodies in camp usually and some others in the rookie and offseason stuff, and on top of all that there's the replacements in season. A guy named Miguel does a wonderful job(or did, I don't still read it) creating charts about the Pats salary cap and roster each year. He did so for a long time. Even if you're not a Pats fan- google "Miguel's salary cap" or "Miguel's patriots" and you'll probably find it- it's worth a quick read and delve into.

 

[Sea Duck]

to reiterate that first sentence-an injured player on IR is done for the year. He's contractually done and this is an agreement urged by the NFLPA to protect and injured player from being forced into action so if he's on IR he's done. In preseason teams play games with reporting injuries and IR and all. The NFL has tried to stop them and done pretty well. (Nother thread nother time) An injured player that feels like he's not out for a year but maybe a brief time instead may sign an injury settlement. So he and the team agree on an amount and this is the release David mentioned.

Case in point - Sage Rosenfels has been put on IR and then released by two different teams this year (Giants and Dolphins) and is currently on the active roster of the Minnesota Vikings.

 

[GregR]

And since it wasn't mentioned clearly, being on IR does not change a player's salary cap implications. Teams still have to include players on IR under their cap. A lot of teams will try to leave a million or more in cap room at the start of the year, to have money for signing players to minimum value contracts as other players go on IR. Though if they do the aforementioned injury settlement and cut them, that can clear up cap room.