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Ben Johnson - Bobby Slowik and "Hope" (1 Viewer)
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I believe Ben Johnson was offered the job.
I'm very confident Slowik could have had an HC job.
But even beyond Johnson and Slowik, I think the narrative works. Lions and Texans fans had a fantastic season, and that gives hope to other teams. That's my main point.
It is because the 'meathead' Dan Campbell has Ben Johnson's back. And Shiela Hemp has Dan Campbell's back. It is a culture where people trust the people to do their job. The Lions have made the tough business of running a football team into a family of dedicated people who love and trust each other. Being an OC in an ideal situation with job security is so much better and not worth the extreme amount of work and intense pressure of an HC gig.
Boston
Footballguy
I think we see that hope pretty regularly which is one of the reasons why the NFL is so popular...the Pats went from a laughingstock organization to being the best Dynasty in history...the Bills were a mess for years and are now a top-tier franchise...the Rams went from bad to Super Bowl champs to bad to good again very quickly...Tampa Bay was another organization that was hopeless then won a Super Bowl due to one addition...the Lions and Texans are great stories but they are just the latest examples for the NFL.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
I think it's awesome news for both Lions and Texans fans. There is hope for both offenses to stay the course and repeat their successes.
need2know
Footballguy
i think ben johnson might take dan campells job at some point
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That was actually my 1st thought when I saw he was staying.
I doubt if that is in the cards. Dan, Brad and Shiela have an ideal situation. I would not be count on that breaking up. In fact I think the stability and security is a key reason Ben stayed. Having a high-profile secure job in the NFL is rare. That is why Ben's asking price was high to leave it.
I don't think either of them were offered jobs. Was it over money, control and if they bent would they have got an offer? That I don't know.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
We don’t know what they were offered or what their demands were (control, GM-ish authority, etc) so it’s a little ambiguous.
Good message though. Except for the part where bad teams still make bad decisions (how hopeful are Panthers fans right now?) and good teams seemingly manipulate the cap at will.
For the 2 coaches in question, I’m happy for fans of their team that they’re staying & offering continuity. The rest kinda sounds like a monologue from Star Wars.
Good message though. Except for the part where bad teams still make bad decisions (how hopeful are Panthers fans right now?) and good teams seemingly manipulate the cap at will.
For the 2 coaches in question, I’m happy for fans of their team that they’re staying & offering continuity. The rest kinda sounds like a monologue from Star Wars.
From what I'm hearing Ben's asking price was over the top. Which could have been his way of saying I currently don't want a HC job. I hope he gets another opportunity.
Detroit Lions fans sure we are all happy for them. Lions are the likeable team that's been basically losing forever. With all the high draft picks over the years/century of course they'd have to turn a corner. They've had Stafford, Sanders, and Johnson. Each one of them either retired early or forced their way out. Alot of it was due to the situation in Detroit. ChatGPT came up with 3 bullet points Lack of championships, poor drafting and management, tough division and schedule. Detroit will be a known commodity in 2024 and their path in theory should be more difficult.
Texans got rid Mr. Touch and Feely and hit the lottery with CJ Stroud. Not only did they fleece the Browns but changed their culture overnight. I have more hope in the Texans.
Detroit Lions fans sure we are all happy for them. Lions are the likeable team that's been basically losing forever. With all the high draft picks over the years/century of course they'd have to turn a corner. They've had Stafford, Sanders, and Johnson. Each one of them either retired early or forced their way out. Alot of it was due to the situation in Detroit. ChatGPT came up with 3 bullet points Lack of championships, poor drafting and management, tough division and schedule. Detroit will be a known commodity in 2024 and their path in theory should be more difficult.
Texans got rid Mr. Touch and Feely and hit the lottery with CJ Stroud. Not only did they fleece the Browns but changed their culture overnight. I have more hope in the Texans.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I would be skeptical of any of those types of reports. It could be he got greedy. It could be, as you say, that he decided he would only leave for true Eff You money and teams weren't willing to give it to him. Or it could just be someone at one of the teams that he rejected is spinning Schefter in order to save face: "You can't break up with me! I'm breaking up with you!"
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Lions/Texans would be my dream Superbowl. 
Big Nate
Footballguy
Well said and it is true for any work place. Sometimes a promotion is not always better if the fit isn't good and the management/ownership group aren't aligned.
We have no idea what was discussed in these interviews and where/what the reason was for BJ not coming to an agreement with SEA. Something or multiple things weren't "right" and there should be no negative sentiment for BJ going back to try to make another SB run with the Lions.
Imagine - a guy happy where he is, enjoying what he does. Money isn't everything.
Big Nate
Footballguy
Well maybe, but Dan isn't going anywhere for a few years at least.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Yeah Dan has 3 years left on his initial 6 year contract. And there is always a possible extension for both him and the GM Holmes.
When the Titans hired Tim Kelly who led an awful passing attack to be passing coordinator I was annoyed. Passing game was brutal. Then he got promoted to OC and I was upset.
Besides Tannehill(Mariota) and a few games w Dobbs, the Titans usually have awful backup QBs so when the starter gets injured and the backup goes in, you can almost feel the hope leave. Then it gets desperate and I either want direct snaps to Henry all game or an XFL QB.
I feel like there's an unspoken promise of hope and they took it away. Like that joke- the Bears are the best team at 1-0, this is their year. As fans we're owed that much hope at least.
After Kelly in Houston, Pep Hamilton got promoted and initially got some HC interviews as an up n comer. They had injury after injury and somehow he was keeping them in games with Burkhardt as a RB and Mills as his QB. That fell off the next year and injuries or not, they were just bad and some were guessing he got too much credit the year before.
Throw in Deshaun or Arian Foster or Foreman here and I thought why are the Texans so confident they can lose Slowik after a one year turnaround? They've done nothing to illustrate longevity...ever. I bet the Texans fan base breathed a collective sigh of relief that he's back.
The AFCN averaged around 50 percent roster turnover the last couple years and for a change the Texans fans won't have to go through that
Besides Tannehill(Mariota) and a few games w Dobbs, the Titans usually have awful backup QBs so when the starter gets injured and the backup goes in, you can almost feel the hope leave. Then it gets desperate and I either want direct snaps to Henry all game or an XFL QB.
I feel like there's an unspoken promise of hope and they took it away. Like that joke- the Bears are the best team at 1-0, this is their year. As fans we're owed that much hope at least.
After Kelly in Houston, Pep Hamilton got promoted and initially got some HC interviews as an up n comer. They had injury after injury and somehow he was keeping them in games with Burkhardt as a RB and Mills as his QB. That fell off the next year and injuries or not, they were just bad and some were guessing he got too much credit the year before.
Throw in Deshaun or Arian Foster or Foreman here and I thought why are the Texans so confident they can lose Slowik after a one year turnaround? They've done nothing to illustrate longevity...ever. I bet the Texans fan base breathed a collective sigh of relief that he's back.
The AFCN averaged around 50 percent roster turnover the last couple years and for a change the Texans fans won't have to go through that
Absolutley.
That was Houston for a while. Texans fans feel very different today than they did 12 months ago.
Major
Footballguy
Yeah, It's amazing what a great QB and Coach can do for a franchise. Unfortunately, most teams won't be as lucky as the Texans. They really hit the jackpot finding both in the same year.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Exactly.
That the Texans lucked out doesn’t change my point that the way the system is designed isn’t always the way the system works.
Parity is the goal, but rarely the outcome.
It’s better than a lot of sports, I’ll agree with that.
GregR
Footballguy
JJ Watt, when Pat McAfee talked about Jack Easterby's departure in a way that jokingly gave Easterby some credit for this year's turn around in Houston:
"There was a turnaround at a very certain point," Watt said. "Coincidences aren't always coincidences."
Recognizing and parting with bad decisionmakers makes such a difference.
