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NFL MVP? (1 Viewer)

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A half dozen decent candidates but I think its a 2 horse race between Brady & Gurley. Wentz would have been obvious choice imho but inj really hurts his chances. Odds seem to favor Brady slightly but my gut tells me it will be Gurley which is fine with me. 

Thoughts?  :popcorn:

 
Probably won't happen now but for 88% of the season it was Antonio Brown.

I'd be okay with it being Gurley but that seems unlikely without breaking records. 

Would really prefer it not be, but Brady will probably win it. 

 
It's more rare for a RB to win the award.  I haven't looked it up but in the past when a RB has won, I would guess there was a pretty big gap between the top RB (winner of the MVP) and the 2nd RB.  I guess Gurley has a lot more TDs but he's not that far ahead of Bell  in terms of total yards. And he didn't even win the rushing title. 

I would guess Brady will be nearly unanimous.  

 
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I vote for Todd Gurley. 

Nearly 2100 total yards of offense and 19 TDs during the regular season, Gurley absolutely carried that team.  He excelled even though the Rams do not have a very good offensive line even with the inclusion of Andrew Whitworth at left tackle.   Gurley's mere presence allowed opportunities for Jared Goff to take shots down the field, and Goff's play really picked up down the stretch.   A lot of that was Gurley being far more involved in the passing game.   

Sean McVay deserves a lot of credit for energizing the Rams' offense, and removing the stench of Jeff Fisher.  

 
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Its basically Brady by default.

There was no standout RB. Gurley was a great fantasy RB, but he didn't have anywhere near the kind of year a RB needs to win the MVP. 

Antonio Brown probably had the best chance of any non-QB, but again, you need to have a monster year for a QB to not win.

Wentz might have had a shot, but missing games hurts his chances.

At the end of the day, Brady will win in a unanimous decision.

 
Should be Carson Wentz. He missed three games and was still only one TD pass from leading the NFL. And to witness what the Eagles offense has become in the last three games without him, is just a referendum on how valuable he is.  Wentz' absence proves his value, but he played long enough to still have some of the best numbers in football. 

 
I vote for Todd Gurley. 

Nearly 2100 total yards of offense and 19 TDs during the regular season, Gurley absolutely carried that team.  He excelled even though the Rams do not have a very good offensive line even with the inclusion of Andrew Whitworth at left tackle.   Gurley's mere presence allowed opportunities for Jared Goff to take shots down the field, and Goff's play really picked up down the stretch.   A lot of that was Gurley being far more involved in the passing game.   

Sean McVay deserves a lot of credit for energizing the Rams' offense, and removing the stench of Jeff Fisher.  
The Rams have a  very good o-line. RG is the only position they don't have a solid starter at. Whitworth and Saffold are pro bowl caliber guys, Havenstein is an improving young player, and Sullivan is a steady presence in the middle. Its not 2015 Dallas good, but its top-10 in the  NFL.

 
The Wentz or Brady debate would have been interesting if both were still playing.  Brady is still playing and had a great year, he will get it easy now.

 
The Wentz or Brady debate would have been interesting if both were still playing.  Brady is still playing and had a great year, he will get it easy now.
You're probably right. Montana was an MVP and he missed three games one year, but I don't believe it was the final three. Wentz was the front-runner when he went down, but I doubt he'll get it now. 

 
Should be Carson Wentz. He missed three games and was still only one TD pass from leading the NFL. And to witness what the Eagles offense has become in the last three games without him, is just a referendum on how valuable he is.  Wentz' absence proves his value, but he played long enough to still have some of the best numbers in football. 
 Opie Taylor was never winning this year anyway. Not because he didn't deserve consideration but Peyton Manning has five(?) MVPs and Tom Brady has two. This one is a lifetime achievement MVP.

 
Looking the the last RB's to win MVP, it seemingly rules out Gurley.

2012=Peterson, tops 2,000 yards rushing at 6 yards per carry, and leads the league by almost 500 yards, while almost single handedly willing the Vikings to the playoffs.

2006=Tomlinson, sets single season TD record and won the rushing title for a team that earned the #1 seed. 

2005=Alexander, sets single season TD record, and won rushing title for a team that went to the Super Bowl. Also was a down year for QB's. 

2000=Faulk, sets single season TD record, and was 2nd in yards from scrimmage, while missing 2 full games, and parts of others. Award probably goes to Warner if he hadn't missed 5 games. 

1998=Davis, has 2,000 yards rushing and 23 TD's(record was 25 at the time) also was key player of Super Bowl Champs.

1997=Sanders,(co-MVP with Favre) had 2,000 yards rushing at over 6 yards per carry. Also was a bit of a lifetime achievement MVP, as I think another player with the same year doesn't get co-billing with Favre.  

1993=Smith, won the rushing title despite sitting out essentially 3 games. Was key player for Super Bowl Champs. 

1991=Thomas, lead the league in yards from scrimmage for a team that went to the Super Bowl.

The pattern seems to be, either have a historic season, or be the key player on a juggernaut team, and the latter seems to have been more of a 90's thing. Gurley didn't have a historic season, nor were the Rams a juggernaut team. 

 
Brady did not have Edelman or Mitchell at all this year. Hogan missed half the year. Burkhead missed 5 games. They added Dorsett, Bennett, and Britt who did essentially nothing. And the NE O line was either hurt or pretty meh in pass protection. That’s a lot to overcome, yet Brady still put up numbers at or near the top of the league and won 13 games. 

 
Brady seems like an easy call this year. He had another great season and led the best offense, and best passing game, in the NFL. Pretty clearly the best QB in the league this year (the closest contenders on a per game basis are probably Watson & Wentz, who missed time), and no non-QB stood out as having a season for the ages (which they should need to do to have a shot at this award, since QB is the most important position).

 
Please not Brady. No defensive players stand out this year?
The NFL doesn't care about defense.  Hasn't in years...

The odd thing about Brady is that although his stats are impeccable and his team is the #1 seed in the AFC and odds-on favorites to repeat as SB champs it felt like he was off a little coming down the stretch.  

If I was voting I would probably go Gurley: 2000+ Yds from scrimmage and 19 TDs.  

 
 Opie Taylor was never winning this year anyway. Not because he didn't deserve consideration but Peyton Manning has five(?) MVPs and Tom Brady has two. This one is a lifetime achievement MVP.
OMG.  Opie Taylor. That's hilarious. No really.  It is. If you keep calling him unclever nicknames, maybe it will make Dak Prescott become good again. Best of luck to you.  :thumbup:

 
The odd thing about Brady is that although his stats are impeccable and his team is the #1 seed in the AFC and odds-on favorites to repeat as SB champs it felt like he was off a little coming down the stretch.  
That's the only reason why I think Wentz has a tiny chance. At the time of his injury. it was between him, Brady, and Wilson. Neither Brady nor Wilson have played at an MVP level since Wentz went down. So even though Wentz stopped producing due to injury, neither of the guys in contention did anything to pull ahead. In fact, Wentz' injury even strengthened the case that he was the most valuable. 

That being said, I'd bet it will be Brady. Didn't realize that he's only won it twice. I'm sure they'll give it to him.

 
That's the only reason why I think Wentz has a tiny chance. At the time of his injury. it was between him, Brady, and Wilson. Neither Brady nor Wilson have played at an MVP level since Wentz went down. So even though Wentz stopped producing due to injury, neither of the guys in contention did anything to pull ahead. In fact, Wentz' injury even strengthened the case that he was the most valuable. 

That being said, I'd bet it will be Brady. Didn't realize that he's only won it twice. I'm sure they'll give it to him.
IMO, Wentz would need to have been on a record breaking pace to win MVP missing 3 games. I believe the only advantage he held over Brady at the time was in TD passes. 

Brady ended up #2 in completions (one behind Brees), #1 in passing yards, #3 in passing TD (2 behind Wilson), #3 in INT%, and #3 in passer rating (behind Smith and Brees) in leading NE to the top seed in the AFC.

Even on per attempt metrics, Wentz ranked #25 in completion%, #11 in YPA, #8 in INT%, #4 in rating, and #12 in yds/gm. His best attribute was leading the league in TD%.

I'm not sure Wentz would have won if he didn't get hurt, but at least there would be another option for voters to pick from.

 
That's the only reason why I think Wentz has a tiny chance. At the time of his injury. it was between him, Brady, and Wilson. Neither Brady nor Wilson have played at an MVP level since Wentz went down. So even though Wentz stopped producing due to injury, neither of the guys in contention did anything to pull ahead. In fact, Wentz' injury even strengthened the case that he was the most valuable. 

That being said, I'd bet it will be Brady. Didn't realize that he's only won it twice. I'm sure they'll give it to him.
If Brady does win it, he'll be 1 of only 5 guys to win 3 MVP's. The other 4 are:

Peyton Manning

Brett Favre

Johnny Unitas

Jim Brown

 
If not for Manning, Brady would have a few more. 
I'm not sure that's true. The years Manning won MVP, Brady wasn't really in the running. 

2013=Brady had a down year. 

2009=Chris Johnson likely gets it if Manning didn't.

2008=Brady missed the year. Brees was likely the next guy up.

2004=Brady hadn't totally made the leap yet. Culpepper was likely the choice.

2003=Brady wasn't in the conversation. McNair split with Manning, and Jamal Lewis was likely the next guy up.

 
Gurley is being Robbed. He is the most valuable player to his team, and it's not really close. I think the Pats could have done almost as well with Jimmy G, had Brady been hurt. Look at what Jimmy G. did in his starts on a team that does not have 1/2 have of the talent that the Pats have...now imagine if Gurley had been knocked out. Think the Rams would be in the Playoffs? Doubtful. 

 
Gurley is being Robbed. He is the most valuable player to his team, and it's not really close. I think the Pats could have done almost as well with Jimmy G, had Brady been hurt. Look at what Jimmy G. did in his starts on a team that does not have 1/2 have of the talent that the Pats have...now imagine if Gurley had been knocked out. Think the Rams would be in the Playoffs? Doubtful. 
Not true. That team is LOADED with talent on both sides of the ball. Only Jeff Fisher could hold them back. 

 
Gurley is being Robbed. He is the most valuable player to his team, and it's not really close. I think the Pats could have done almost as well with Jimmy G, had Brady been hurt. Look at what Jimmy G. did in his starts on a team that does not have 1/2 have of the talent that the Pats have...now imagine if Gurley had been knocked out. Think the Rams would be in the Playoffs? Doubtful. 
Running backs are so much easier to replace than QBs. I'm not saying that the Rams backup could do all the things that Gurley did, but it's really tough to consider a RB for most valuable.  Look at Spencer Ware going down. Hunt replaces him and was immediately a monster.  Ty Montgomery goes down, Aaron Jones is just as good.. He goes down and Williams steps right in. A truly elite QB is irreplaceable. (Check out the Packers and eagles this season for examples)

 
Running backs are so much easier to replace than QBs. I'm not saying that the Rams backup could do all the things that Gurley did, but it's really tough to consider a RB for most valuable.  Look at Spencer Ware going down. Hunt replaces him and was immediately a monster.  Ty Montgomery goes down, Aaron Jones is just as good.. He goes down and Williams steps right in. A truly elite QB is irreplaceable. (Check out the Packers and eagles this season for examples)
Ummmmm did you just Gurley to Specer Ware? Seriously? The Rams had nothing behind Gurely, and the Pats have a quality QB behind Brady. Brady had an OK year.....hardly Elite. If you gave his same stats to say Drew Stanton (I know not likely) would he be in the MVP hunt? I doubt it. I love Brady, but 1/2 of his consideration is the fact that he is the GOAT. While I agree, his year was not more impressive then Gurley's. Heck it's not even close to being his best year. 

 
Ummmmm did you just Gurley to Specer Ware? Seriously? The Rams had nothing behind Gurely, and the Pats have a quality QB behind Brady. Brady had an OK year.....hardly Elite. If you gave his same stats to say Drew Stanton (I know not likely) would he be in the MVP hunt? I doubt it. I love Brady, but 1/2 of his consideration is the fact that he is the GOAT. While I agree, his year was not more impressive then Gurley's. Heck it's not even close to being his best year. 
I'm comparing the running back position to the quarterback position. Morris had a better ypc when he played than Elliott did. RB is not a very difficult position to replace. Where an injured QB can immediately destroy a team's playoff hopes. (see Rodgers and Watson. And, I would imagine, Philly's playoff performances) To suggest the Rams wouldn't make the playoffs without Gurley is silly. They are loaded. Gurley is great and had a great year.  I just have a hard time giving the award to a quarterback.  I guess with Wentz getting hurt and Wilson and Brady cooling off the last few games, you could throw his name into the mix. I'm sure he'll get votes. But I'd be shocked if he's the MVP.

 
I'm comparing the running back position to the quarterback position. Morris had a better ypc when he played than Elliott did. RB is not a very difficult position to replace. Where an injured QB can immediately destroy a team's playoff hopes. (see Rodgers and Watson. And, I would imagine, Philly's playoff performances) To suggest the Rams wouldn't make the playoffs without Gurley is silly. They are loaded. Gurley is great and had a great year.  I just have a hard time giving the award to a quarterback.  I guess with Wentz getting hurt and Wilson and Brady cooling off the last few games, you could throw his name into the mix. I'm sure he'll get votes. But I'd be shocked if he's the MVP.
I don't think there is much debate that QB is the most important position in football so if that is your primary factor in determining MVP just give it to the QB with the highest rating and be done with it.

 
Ummmmm did you just Gurley to Specer Ware? Seriously? The Rams had nothing behind Gurely, and the Pats have a quality QB behind Brady. Brady had an OK year.....hardly Elite. If you gave his same stats to say Drew Stanton (I know not likely) would he be in the MVP hunt? I doubt it. I love Brady, but 1/2 of his consideration is the fact that he is the GOAT. While I agree, his year was not more impressive then Gurley's. Heck it's not even close to being his best year. 
if drew Stanton was able to lead his team to a 13-3 record and had the same stats yes he would be in the hunt.

 
Brady pretty easy using both stats and any sort of logic is who i think wins it.  

Leave it to hoffman to dispell brady using some of the worst possible logic.  Penalized because his backup is good.  Lord.

 
I don't think there is much debate that QB is the most important position in football so if that is your primary factor in determining MVP just give it to the QB with the highest rating and be done with it.
Exactly, why bother with calling it MVP? Change it to MVQB?  :rolleyes:

 
I don't think there is much debate that QB is the most important position in football so if that is your primary factor in determining MVP just give it to the QB with the highest rating and be done with it.
It's a pretty big factor and rightfully so.  If Gurley played better the middle 8 games of the year and wound up with 2500+ yards then this might be a different discussion.  

A top QB can make almost an team a playoff team.  Not sure the same can be said for a RB.

That doesnt mean the MVP should always be given to a QB, but in darn near every year the MVP is going to be and should be a QB.  I don't think anyone else at any other position did enough this year to warrant taking the award away from the MV-QB

 
Let's just call it what is is. The Tom Brady life-time achievement award  :rolleyes:

If Wentz had not gotten hurt, he would be my pick. If he is out then it's Gurley. This is not even in the top 5 of Brady's career years. The Patriots had little challenge in their division, they had very few "Brady win's the game moments",. I just see this as the media giving Brady a Pat on the head and saying your so amazing. 

To be clear I love Brady he is the GOAT. But was he the greatest this year.....I just don't see it. 

 
Am I the only one that wants to see Brady move on? Seriously. He might be the GOAT, but at some point other players need some of the spotlight as well. As much as I love him, I find myself rolling my eyes when I hear the media gush about him. It's getting OLD.....

 
If you cherry pick opening night and his three division road games, Brady was average to pretty crappy 25% of the time. Now imagine any other QB looking bad one out of four games & but still winning MVP.

Should be Gurley or Wentz, will be Tom.

 
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The Patriots led the NFL in offensive DVOA, passing DVOA, points per drive, yards per drive, point differential (tied), and wins (tied). Brady led all QBs in DYAR, EPA, PFF grade, and passing yardage. Not as good as his 2007, 2010, 2011, or 2016 season, but he's up against the other players in 2017 not his past selves.

If I was going to give it to a non-QB, I think I'd go with Aaron Donald as the most dominant player in the NFL at his position. I think the MVP should usually go to a QB, since the QB is the most important player on the field by far. I can see a case for treating it more like the "Most Dominant Player" award and spreading it around more across different positions so that it would fairly regularly go to guys like Donald, Gronk, Watt, Peterson, Revis, or Moss. I don't see much of a case for making it the "Most Valuable QB or RB" award, which is what it would have to be in order to go with Gurley this year; RB doesn't stand out from other positions the way that QB does. (And in practice the OPOY and DPOY awards get treated more like the Most Dominant Player awards, which seems better.)

 
Brady is amazing.  But the Pats have also proven repeatedly that they can win a lot of games without him.  Which calls into question what logic exists to call him "most valuable player".  Which is what the award is called.

Guys like Wentz and Rodgers go down, and their teams look like crap.  How valuable do you think that suggests those players are?

 
Gurley is being Robbed. He is the most valuable player to his team, and it's not really close. I think the Pats could have done almost as well with Jimmy G, had Brady been hurt. Look at what Jimmy G. did in his starts on a team that does not have 1/2 have of the talent that the Pats have...now imagine if Gurley had been knocked out. Think the Rams would be in the Playoffs? Doubtful. 
Thus why I asked earlier if we are debating who will actually win or who are other candidates besides Brady.

Every year about this time I post the same thing. The NFL MVP is almost always the best player on one of the Top 2 best teams and is heavily dependent on team record and very rarely incorporates MOST VALUABLE as part of the award. As evidenced by the number of QB's that have won lately, QB's have a leg up on the voting. The only times running backs typically enter the mix is if someone rushes for 2,000 yards or has as a record breaking season. Also, a non-QB would have to do leaps and bounds above his peers to be considered.

Sure, Gurley had a great season and finished up on a tear, but Bell was about 150 yards by Gurley in total yards. And he was light years away from setting a TD scoring record. Brown was having a great year but wasn't going to set any records. And a defensive player is not going to win MVP unless he had a season in uncharted territory (and probably not even then).

 
Brady is amazing.  But the Pats have also proven repeatedly that they can win a lot of games without him.  Which calls into question what logic exists to call him "most valuable player".  Which is what the award is called.

Guys like Wentz and Rodgers go down, and their teams look like crap.  How valuable do you think that suggests those players are?
Not gonna penalyze Brady for things out of his control.  Rather reward him for taking care of things that are in his control. 

Plus, not sure Hoyer takes them too far.

 
It’s most likely going to be Brady, but put almost any other QB in the situation that Russell Wilson played in and that team has a losing record and Wilson almost got his team in the playoffs. Don’t get me wrong, not many posters hate Seattle more than I do, but good god Wilson has been amazing. Some of his throws while running or being tackled have been almost impossible to believe he made them. Then look at his 4th quarter numbers or “crunch time” stats, not even Brady or Rodgers or anyone else can touch him. 

 
It’s most likely going to be Brady, but put almost any other QB in the situation that Russell Wilson played in and that team has a losing record and Wilson almost got his team in the playoffs. Don’t get me wrong, not many posters hate Seattle more than I do, but good god Wilson has been amazing. Some of his throws while running or being tackled have been almost impossible to believe he made them. Then look at his 4th quarter numbers or “crunch time” stats, not even Brady or Rodgers or anyone else can touch him. 
That's fair.  Flip side is his team seems to score poorly in the first couple quarters.  That's why they are always losing in the 4th.

 
I agree Wilson is being overlooked in this discussion. IMO he was the leader after week 14. Wentz had just gone down, the Seahawks were a likely playoff team, and he had the historic percentage of offense and TDs and 4th quarter performance storylines going. Then the Rams beat Seattle 42-7 in week 15, and that was over.

 

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