NFL supports decision to not overturn Seahawks' touchdown (3 Viewers)

[renesauz]

i've been watching espn all day, and not a single person has been on the side of this being a TD. even the ex-refs they have had on all agree that it was an INT. even the idiot skip bayless agrees that it was the wrong call.

I would put more stock in this fact if I had heard even one single person on ESPN defend or at least be openly sympathetic towards the NFL's position on the collective bargaining issue. The position of every single one of them before this was that the NFL was absolutely nuts not to give in and get the union refs back on the field....they were WAITING AND LOOKING for this exact kind of controversy and their coverage of it has been very one-sided. Similarly, the opinion of any X-ref is obviously biased in a situation like this.

 

[Mr. Soup Nazi]

Not going to read all of the posts in here, so don't know if it has been covered here, but one thing I question in the rules here is how is what Tate did considered possession?

To be simultaneous it has to mean they BOTH have possession of the ball. Putting one hand on a held ball is not simultaneous possession. End of story.

 

[Sam Quentin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddEIlvH27u0 between 7:24 and 7:27 is a great view

seems obvious jennings has two hands on the ball and it is in his chest, and MAYBE one hand of tate's is in there, the other is clearly on jenning's arm then moves in after they land

try pausing at the moment you believe control is establishedJennings doesn't pull the ball to his chest until after Tate has moved his right hand to get a better two hand grip on the ball and Tate is standing with both hands on the ball in the end zone

So you admit at that point Jennings has control...Tate moved his hand to try and get a better grip.Hence..."simultaneous" possession cannot occur after one player gained control of the ball and the other goes to possession after that.Thanks for admitting your argument the entire time is full of crap.

settle down Beavis and wtch the replay and let me know the moement you think Jennings establishes control.If you watch Jennings' right hand you'll see it move from the tip of the ball to undernath the ball as he is descending and as Tate is moving his right hand to put it on the ball. It's pretty damn near simultaneous possession atthe point of control, if not simultaneous

Control...in the air as he puts his hands on the ball and pulls it into his chest...holds it there throughout the motion of falling to the ground and rolling as shown in the still image with the ball still pinned against his body with both hands on the ball.Its not until after that point that Tate wrestles it away.Tell me where Tate ever has control or possession? You can't until after they are already on the ground and after that still image.Jennings hands are on the ball the whole time.Tate's hand comes off...Its not even close to any simultaneous possession when one party involved never gains possession of anything.Its pretty simple that only a select few are still even trying to argue the call was correct.That should tell you something.

1) at 7:16 on the first replay and 7:28 on the second, Tate estabished dual possession. and keeps both hands on the ball without losing a share of the ball.2)When Jennings is falling, watch his right hand move to a different spot in the ball. I don't think he has control there3) the NFL postion seems to be the control is pretty much the same as possession, so the "to the ground" would apply which would mean that when Jennings hits the ground, he does not have sole possession/control => simultaneous

1) you can't establish dual possession after someone has control of the football.2) Ive watched every replay...his one hand moves slightly while his other is still firmly on the ball. The ball is not moving...control is there and Tate does not have control at any point.3) The NFL position seems to be to cover their own behind at this point.

1) Jennings never had sole possession or control2) his left hand is on top and his right hand moves to the bottom. Looks like he doesn't have control.3) NFL position is the NFL position, and constet with the relevant rules they posted and they didn't cover their behinds for the PI call

 

[Sam Quentin]

i've been watching espn all day, and not a single person has been on the side of this being a TD. even the ex-refs they have had on all agree that it was an INT. even the idiot skip bayless agrees that it was the wrong call.

I would put more stock in this fact if I had heard even one single person on ESPN defend or at least be openly sympathetic towards the NFL's position on the collective bargaining issue. The position of every single one of them before this was that the NFL was absolutely nuts not to give in and get the union refs back on the field....they were WAITING AND LOOKING for this exact kind of controversy and their coverage of it has been very one-sided. Similarly, the opinion of any X-ref is obviously biased in a situation like this.

listening to Gerry Austin on the playback is funny because he gets almost every detail wrong.

 

[BassNBrew]

Not going to read all of the posts in here, so don't know if it has been covered here, but one thing I question in the rules here is how is what Tate did considered possession?To be simultaneous it has to mean they BOTH have possession of the ball. Putting one hand on a held ball is not simultaneous possession. End of story.

One handed catches have been made before...

 

[amnesiac]

why didn't Jennings just bat the ball down like he was supposed to?

 

[Sarnoff]

why didn't Jennings just bat the ball down like he was supposed to?

Why does Aaron Rodgers shoehorn himself into the captain's photo when the coach decides he's not worthy of the honor? Massive ego and unrestrained arrogance, that's why.

 

[MarcO]

So what you're saying is he caught Jennings? Since Jennings is between Tate and the ball and has the ball pinned to his body with both hands all the way to the ground I don't see how anyone could think Tate ever controlled the ball at any time throughout the process.

WTF are you talking about...Tates arms were NOT around the defender, and Tate had his left hand pinned BETWEEN the ball and the defenders chest. You act like Tate bear hugged him.

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/md-jennings-golden-tate-530x378.jpgYep he has control of Jenning's right arm. Tate's hand isn't even on the ball in this photo and on the video his right had goes off the ball as the are going to the ground.

But...but...but...Jennings was not able to roll away from him (eventhough this visual evidence clearly shows Jennings did just that).

it does? How did Golden Tate end up with the football?

 

[Mr. Soup Nazi]

Not going to read all of the posts in here, so don't know if it has been covered here, but one thing I question in the rules here is how is what Tate did considered possession?To be simultaneous it has to mean they BOTH have possession of the ball. Putting one hand on a held ball is not simultaneous possession. End of story.

One handed catches have been made before...

Right, when that is the player clearly in possession of the ball and no other player has control of it. What he did is the same as pinning a ball to the ground, not a catch, not possession and sure as heck not simultaneous possession.

 

[Del Griffith]

How long before some moron US Congressman or Senator asks for a government investigation? (Or has that already happened?)

Obama has already weighed inhttp://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view/20120925obama_disputed_game_means_nfl_needs_regular_refs/srvc=home&position=recent

Huh, my mistake. It was a moron President.

 

[Sam Quentin]

Not going to read all of the posts in here, so don't know if it has been covered here, but one thing I question in the rules here is how is what Tate did considered possession?To be simultaneous it has to mean they BOTH have possession of the ball. Putting one hand on a held ball is not simultaneous possession. End of story.

One handed catches have been made before...

Right, when that is the player clearly in possession of the ball and no other player has control of it. What he did is the same as pinning a ball to the ground, not a catch, not possession and sure as heck not simultaneous possession.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddEIlvH27u0best replays are around 7:14 and 7:24Watch Jennings right ahnd and decide for yourself when you believe he establishes control, if at all

 

[Mr. Soup Nazi]

Not going to read all of the posts in here, so don't know if it has been covered here, but one thing I question in the rules here is how is what Tate did considered possession?To be simultaneous it has to mean they BOTH have possession of the ball. Putting one hand on a held ball is not simultaneous possession. End of story.

One handed catches have been made before...

Right, when that is the player clearly in possession of the ball and no other player has control of it. What he did is the same as pinning a ball to the ground, not a catch, not possession and sure as heck not simultaneous possession.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddEIlvH27u0best replays are around 7:14 and 7:24Watch Jennings right ahnd and decide for yourself when you believe he establishes control, if at all

OK...did and yup, Jennings has full control, two hands, parts of arms and his chest all securing the ball. Tate has two, then one, then barely two hands on the ball and did not establish any control over the ball. To his credit, he never took his hands off of it, but he never had control either.Let me put it to you this way, if Jennings isn't there and Tate is trying to hold the ball like that, he couldn't even hold onto it. He needs Jenning's control to keep it from hitting the ground. Touching is not = holding. If I put my finger on top of your head, am I holding you? Just because a hand is making contact doesn't constitute holding it.

 

[mad sweeney]

Holy ####, the League Supervisor for that game was Phil Luckett. The same idiot that screwed up an OT coin toss and called the Testaverde non-TD against Seattle that spurred instant replay. He also had another bad call that season that helped lead to IR. Additionally, he was busted down to line judge for a season or two (at least) after that. I don't recall hearing his name as a head ref since then either. How can they leave this guy in charge of a national game with replacement refs?

 

[Tony Jabroni]

why didn't Jennings just bat the ball down like he was supposed to?

Why does Aaron Rodgers shoehorn himself into the captain's photo when the coach decides he's not worthy of the honor? Massive ego and unrestrained arrogance, that's why.

LOL. You have a dartboard with his face on it, don't you?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

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[mad sweeney]

I'm staying out of the possession issue. I've said before that to my eye it looked like it should've been a pick. But to my eye, Calvin Johnson should've had a catch. This is a photo though that I haven't seen anywhere before and probably will just muddle up who had possession and when. Can't see Tate's right arm and I don't have time to go through the front views to match it up. If this was the only photo I saw of the play, I'd rule it a catch for Tate via tie going to the passers.

 

[sho nuff]

So what you're saying is he caught Jennings? Since Jennings is between Tate and the ball and has the ball pinned to his body with both hands all the way to the ground I don't see how anyone could think Tate ever controlled the ball at any time throughout the process.

WTF are you talking about...Tates arms were NOT around the defender, and Tate had his left hand pinned BETWEEN the ball and the defenders chest. You act like Tate bear hugged him.

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/md-jennings-golden-tate-530x378.jpgYep he has control of Jenning's right arm. Tate's hand isn't even on the ball in this photo and on the video his right had goes off the ball as the are going to the ground.

But...but...but...Jennings was not able to roll away from him (eventhough this visual evidence clearly shows Jennings did just that).

it does? How did Golden Tate end up with the football?

What does him ending up with the ball well after the play ans whistle have to do with anything?

 

[MarcO]

So what you're saying is he caught Jennings? Since Jennings is between Tate and the ball and has the ball pinned to his body with both hands all the way to the ground I don't see how anyone could think Tate ever controlled the ball at any time throughout the process.

WTF are you talking about...Tates arms were NOT around the defender, and Tate had his left hand pinned BETWEEN the ball and the defenders chest. You act like Tate bear hugged him.

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/md-jennings-golden-tate-530x378.jpgYep he has control of Jenning's right arm. Tate's hand isn't even on the ball in this photo and on the video his right had goes off the ball as the are going to the ground.

But...but...but...Jennings was not able to roll away from him (eventhough this visual evidence clearly shows Jennings did just that).

it does? How did Golden Tate end up with the football?

What does him ending up with the ball well after the play ans whistle have to do with anything?

don't know - ask sho nuff. Apparently since he was able to roll away it somehow proved possession - me I'd refer to the pic linked above.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Obvious TD. Anyone suggesting otherwise is obviously fishing.

The refs were right there. It's laughable a bunch of guys on the internet are going to act like they know better.

 

[sho nuff]

So what you're saying is he caught Jennings? Since Jennings is between Tate and the ball and has the ball pinned to his body with both hands all the way to the ground I don't see how anyone could think Tate ever controlled the ball at any time throughout the process.

WTF are you talking about...Tates arms were NOT around the defender, and Tate had his left hand pinned BETWEEN the ball and the defenders chest. You act like Tate bear hugged him.

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/md-jennings-golden-tate-530x378.jpgYep he has control of Jenning's right arm. Tate's hand isn't even on the ball in this photo and on the video his right had goes off the ball as the are going to the ground.

But...but...but...Jennings was not able to roll away from him (eventhough this visual evidence clearly shows Jennings did just that).

it does? How did Golden Tate end up with the football?

What does him ending up with the ball well after the play ans whistle have to do with anything?

don't know - ask sho nuff. Apparently since he was able to roll away it somehow proved possession - me I'd refer to the pic linked below

good thing we have video and other pictures showing Jennings with the ball before this and other shots showing Tate not in controll of it on the way to the ground or on the ground.I used the roll away to refute a claim that Jennings could not roll away...when he clearly did.

 

[sho nuff]

Obvious TD. Anyone suggesting otherwise is obviously fishing.

The refs were right there. It's laughable a bunch of guys on the internet are going to act like they know better.

As hilarious as your continued fishing in every Packer thread.

 

[MarcO]

So what you're saying is he caught Jennings? Since Jennings is between Tate and the ball and has the ball pinned to his body with both hands all the way to the ground I don't see how anyone could think Tate ever controlled the ball at any time throughout the process.

WTF are you talking about...Tates arms were NOT around the defender, and Tate had his left hand pinned BETWEEN the ball and the defenders chest. You act like Tate bear hugged him.

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/md-jennings-golden-tate-530x378.jpgYep he has control of Jenning's right arm. Tate's hand isn't even on the ball in this photo and on the video his right had goes off the ball as the are going to the ground.

But...but...but...Jennings was not able to roll away from him (eventhough this visual evidence clearly shows Jennings did just that).

it does? How did Golden Tate end up with the football?

What does him ending up with the ball well after the play ans whistle have to do with anything?

don't know - ask sho nuff. Apparently since he was able to roll away it somehow proved possession - me I'd refer to the pic linked below

good thing we have video and other pictures showing Jennings with the ball before this and other shots showing Tate not in controll of it on the way to the ground or on the ground.I used the roll away to refute a claim that Jennings could not roll away...when he clearly did.

ok fair enough - he rolled away without the ball - that wasn't very smart. The pic pretty clearly shows simultaneous possession with Tate's feet on the ground - the only point in time that matters.

 

[sho nuff]

So what you're saying is he caught Jennings? Since Jennings is between Tate and the ball and has the ball pinned to his body with both hands all the way to the ground I don't see how anyone could think Tate ever controlled the ball at any time throughout the process.

WTF are you talking about...Tates arms were NOT around the defender, and Tate had his left hand pinned BETWEEN the ball and the defenders chest. You act like Tate bear hugged him.

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/md-jennings-golden-tate-530x378.jpgYep he has control of Jenning's right arm. Tate's hand isn't even on the ball in this photo and on the video his right had goes off the ball as the are going to the ground.

But...but...but...Jennings was not able to roll away from him (eventhough this visual evidence clearly shows Jennings did just that).

it does? How did Golden Tate end up with the football?

What does him ending up with the ball well after the play ans whistle have to do with anything?

don't know - ask sho nuff. Apparently since he was able to roll away it somehow proved possession - me I'd refer to the pic linked below

good thing we have video and other pictures showing Jennings with the ball before this and other shots showing Tate not in controll of it on the way to the ground or on the ground.I used the roll away to refute a claim that Jennings could not roll away...when he clearly did.

ok fair enough - he rolled away without the ball - that wasn't very smart. The pic pretty clearly shows simultaneous possession with Tate's feet on the ground - the only point in time that matters.

He had the ball when he rolled away in the picture mentioned...and that picture does not show possession when you can't see the ball or the players hands fully. Nor is it the only point in time that matters give the nfl rule on simultaneous possession.

 

[BassNBrew]

Not going to read all of the posts in here, so don't know if it has been covered here, but one thing I question in the rules here is how is what Tate did considered possession?

To be simultaneous it has to mean they BOTH have possession of the ball. Putting one hand on a held ball is not simultaneous possession. End of story.

One handed catches have been made before...

Right, when that is the player clearly in possession of the ball and no other player has control of it. What he did is the same as pinning a ball to the ground, not a catch, not possession and sure as heck not simultaneous possession.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddEIlvH27u0best replays are around 7:14 and 7:24

Watch Jennings right ahnd and decide for yourself when you believe he establishes control, if at all

OK...did and yup, Jennings has full control, two hands, parts of arms and his chest all securing the ball. Tate has two, then one, then barely two hands on the ball and did not establish any control over the ball. To his credit, he never took his hands off of it, but he never had control either.

Let me put it to you this way, if Jennings isn't there and Tate is trying to hold the ball like that, he couldn't even hold onto it. He needs Jenning's control to keep it from hitting the ground. Touching is not = holding. If I put my finger on top of your head, am I holding you? Just because a hand is making contact doesn't constitute holding it.

David Tyree anyone???

 

[sho nuff]

Not going to read all of the posts in here, so don't know if it has been covered here, but one thing I question in the rules here is how is what Tate did considered possession?

To be simultaneous it has to mean they BOTH have possession of the ball. Putting one hand on a held ball is not simultaneous possession. End of story.

One handed catches have been made before...

Right, when that is the player clearly in possession of the ball and no other player has control of it. What he did is the same as pinning a ball to the ground, not a catch, not possession and sure as heck not simultaneous possession.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddEIlvH27u0best replays are around 7:14 and 7:24

Watch Jennings right ahnd and decide for yourself when you believe he establishes control, if at all

OK...did and yup, Jennings has full control, two hands, parts of arms and his chest all securing the ball. Tate has two, then one, then barely two hands on the ball and did not establish any control over the ball. To his credit, he never took his hands off of it, but he never had control either.

Let me put it to you this way, if Jennings isn't there and Tate is trying to hold the ball like that, he couldn't even hold onto it. He needs Jenning's control to keep it from hitting the ground. Touching is not = holding. If I put my finger on top of your head, am I holding you? Just because a hand is making contact doesn't constitute holding it.

David Tyree anyone???

Had control of the ball pinned against his own head with nobody else touching it.Tate...had zero control of the ball pinned against someone else's body with another player's arms around the ball.

 

[BassNBrew]

I'm staying out of the possession issue. I've said before that to my eye it looked like it should've been a pick. But to my eye, Calvin Johnson should've had a catch. This is a photo though that I haven't seen anywhere before and probably will just muddle up who had possession and when. Can't see Tate's right arm and I don't have time to go through the front views to match it up. If this was the only photo I saw of the play, I'd rule it a catch for Tate via tie going to the passers.

I guessing this rule gets cleaned up in the off season. If it looks like an INT to 98% of the world and the NFL interprets the rule differently there's a problem. They need to address the stupid 12 men on the field when the snap is immenient rule too.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Holy ####, the League Supervisor for that game was Phil Luckett. The same idiot that screwed up an OT coin toss and called the Testaverde non-TD against Seattle that spurred instant repilay. He also had another bad call that season that helped lead to IR. Additionally, he was busted down to line judge for a season or two (at least) after that. I don't recall hearing his name as a head ref since then either. How can they leave this guy in charge of a national game with replacement refs?

good he owes us one....no way is Seattle payed back for all the bad calls in history against them but this is a start.

 

[sho nuff]

I'm staying out of the possession issue. I've said before that to my eye it looked like it should've been a pick. But to my eye, Calvin Johnson should've had a catch. This is a photo though that I haven't seen anywhere before and probably will just muddle up who had possession and when. Can't see Tate's right arm and I don't have time to go through the front views to match it up. If this was the only photo I saw of the play, I'd rule it a catch for Tate via tie going to the passers.

I guessing this rule gets cleaned up in the off season. If it looks like an INT to 98% of the world and the NFL interprets the rule differently there's a problem. They need to address the stupid 12 men on the field when the snap is immenient rule too.

The immenent thing is something they added.Wondering if it was just to take the officials eyes onto the field rather than relying on them to watch when a player gets off the field and when the exact time of the snap is (and also to avoid having to just rely on coaches challenging it).

 

[VTjkru]

Moving forward, if I am a WR and a DB is intercepting the ball, I would make every effort to place my hand on the ball while tackling the DB to the ground. As long as we are all staying consistent.

 

[Novice2]

so now we learn that possession is reviewable when everybody was telling us loudly that it wasn't.

Well we had to blame the scab refs and not some union review guy.

 

[mad sweeney]

Holy ####, the League Supervisor for that game was Phil Luckett. The same idiot that screwed up an OT coin toss and called the Testaverde non-TD against Seattle that spurred instant repilay. He also had another bad call that season that helped lead to IR. Additionally, he was busted down to line judge for a season or two (at least) after that. I don't recall hearing his name as a head ref since then either. How can they leave this guy in charge of a national game with replacement refs?

good he owes us one....no way is Seattle payed back for all the bad calls in history against them but this is a start.

I don't want to be paid back. I want the best refs out there making the best calls.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Fully agree with NFL's position....that the decision and outcome cannot be overturned. This would absolutely destroy the league....it would set a terrible precedent. Suddenly, anytime a game's outcome had any semblance of question, people would scream for overturning the result. So....for the good of the league, there was never any chance the Seahawks would get stripped of a win.

That said, I'm truly shocked by how many people in this thread are defending the TD call. Absolutely ridiculous. Sure, there is some obvious fishing going on in here - which is to be expected. But more than a few of you really believe the TD call was right. Can't believe the Shark Pool has that many stupid people.

 

[mad sweeney]

Moving forward, if I am a WR and a DB is intercepting the ball, I would make every effort to place my hand on the ball while tackling the DB to the ground. As long as we are all staying consistent.

This is what's been happening in every aspect of the game. As the players learn more and more what hey can get away with, they'll do it. That's why there're more scrims this year than I ever remember. The scrubs have no control over the games.

 

[DoubleG]

why didn't Jennings just bat the ball down like he was supposed to?

Why does Aaron Rodgers shoehorn himself into the captain's photo when the coach decides he's not worthy of the honor? Massive ego and unrestrained arrogance, that's why.

That was kind of a cheap shot - but funny. Nicely played.

 

[DoubleG]

Moving forward, if I am a WR and a DB is intercepting the ball, I would make every effort to place my hand on the ball while tackling the DB to the ground. As long as we are all staying consistent.

Yeah, ummm, lets see how that works out.

 

[Tau837]

I guessing this rule gets cleaned up in the off season. If it looks like an INT to 98% of the world and the NFL interprets the rule differently there's a problem.

Calvin Johnson's end zone play a couple years ago looked like a TD to 99.99% of the world, but the NFL interpreted it differently and never changed the rule.Tom Brady's tuck rule play several years ago looked like a fumble to 99.99% of the world, but the NFL interpreted it differently and never changed the rule.Why would this be different?

 

[sho nuff]

why didn't Jennings just bat the ball down like he was supposed to?

Why does Aaron Rodgers shoehorn himself into the captain's photo when the coach decides he's not worthy of the honor? Massive ego and unrestrained arrogance, that's why.

That was kind of a cheap shot - but funny. Nicely played.

Nah...just the usual sarnoff fishing trips in Packers threads.

 

[Cheese and Crackers]

Obvious TD. Anyone suggesting otherwise is obviously fishing.

The refs were right there. It's laughable a bunch of guys on the internet are going to act like they know better.

Two officials were "right there", and there were giving contrary signals.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Obvious TD. Anyone suggesting otherwise is obviously fishing.

The refs were right there. It's laughable a bunch of guys on the internet are going to act like they know better.

Two officials were "right there", and there were giving contrary signals.

Different signals, but not necessarily contrary. One signaled TD, the other signaled to stop the clock. Nobody signaled interception or touchback.

 

[Cheese and Crackers]

Obvious TD. Anyone suggesting otherwise is obviously fishing.

The refs were right there. It's laughable a bunch of guys on the internet are going to act like they know better.

Two officials were "right there", and there were giving contrary signals.

Different signals, but not necessarily contrary. One signaled TD, the other signaled to stop the clock. Nobody signaled interception or touchback.

Since the ball never touched the ground and no player went out of bounds, there were only 2 possible calls, interception (and touchback), or touchdown.The back judge stops the clock, then is about to signal touchback, as in these examples. One

Three. There is no other reason for him to give the stop clock signal.The side judge then interrupts him with a touchdown signal.

At this point the head referee should confer with these two, but they lost control of the situation.

 

[Addai's Adidas]

I guessing this rule gets cleaned up in the off season. If it looks like an INT to 98% of the world and the NFL interprets the rule differently there's a problem.

Calvin Johnson's end zone play a couple years ago looked like a TD to 99.99% of the world, but the NFL interpreted it differently and never changed the rule.

Tom Brady's tuck rule play several years ago looked like a fumble to 99.99% of the world, but the NFL interpreted it differently and never changed the rule.

Why would this be different?

The NFL DID change the rule, commonly know here as the "Calvin Johnson Rule". So yes they rewrote the rule because of him. But they didn't do it until the competition committee met in the off season. The difference to me here is that as a Lions fan I HATED the call, but it was in fact the right call on the replay. In yesterday's game not only was it the wrong call but the IR got it wrong too.

 

[Sam Quentin]

I guessing this rule gets cleaned up in the off season. If it looks like an INT to 98% of the world and the NFL interprets the rule differently there's a problem.

Calvin Johnson's end zone play a couple years ago looked like a TD to 99.99% of the world, but the NFL interpreted it differently and never changed the rule.

Tom Brady's tuck rule play several years ago looked like a fumble to 99.99% of the world, but the NFL interpreted it differently and never changed the rule.

Why would this be different?

The NFL DID change the rule, commonly know here as the "Calvin Johnson Rule". So yes they rewrote the rule because of him. But they didn't do it until the competition committee met in the off season. The difference to me here is that as a Lions fan I HATED the call, but it was in fact the right call on the replay. In yesterday's game not only was it the wrong call but the IR got it wrong too.

It was the right call per rule. The NFL explained it

 

[Cheese and Crackers]

Jerry Markbreit disagrees with the NFL

“Although they had 24 penalties in the game, the average NFL game has 13 penalties. There were a lot of calls that were questionable ... and of course the last play of the game, which looks to me like a no-brain interception that is ruled a touchdown,” Markbreit said.

“The crime of it is that the referee in this game -- the head referee -- it is his job when you have differing opinions on the play. One guy says it’s good, one guy says it’s no good. The referee comes down and discusses it and negotiates with these guys. You can usually figure out which guy has the better look at it. And the referee did not come down.

“The guy who gave the ‘kill the clock’ signal and looked like he was about to give the touchback signal, backed away when the side judge signaled touchdown. In reality, it was not a simultaneous catch.

“Jennings went up and caught the pass and came down on the ground. The other guy (Tate) tried to grab it. It was not a simultaneous catch. That’s an interception. The only thing replay could determine then on a play like that ... they can’t determine possession. The only thing they can determine is whether the ball hit the ground or not, which it didn’t. The officials have to make the call ... this is inexperience. These officials aren’t used to this kind of pressure. This is the most competitive game in the world. You can’t have amateurs working these games. This is what happened. The whole weekend was terrible. This was the culmination of exactly what was bound to happen. And it happened.”

 

[BassNBrew]

Jerry Markbreit disagrees with the NFL

“Although they had 24 penalties in the game, the average NFL game has 13 penalties. There were a lot of calls that were questionable ... and of course the last play of the game, which looks to me like a no-brain interception that is ruled a touchdown,” Markbreit said.

“The crime of it is that the referee in this game -- the head referee -- it is his job when you have differing opinions on the play. One guy says it’s good, one guy says it’s no good. The referee comes down and discusses it and negotiates with these guys. You can usually figure out which guy has the better look at it. And the referee did not come down.

“The guy who gave the ‘kill the clock’ signal and looked like he was about to give the touchback signal, backed away when the side judge signaled touchdown. In reality, it was not a simultaneous catch.

“Jennings went up and caught the pass and came down on the ground. The other guy (Tate) tried to grab it. It was not a simultaneous catch. That’s an interception. The only thing replay could determine then on a play like that ... they can’t determine possession. The only thing they can determine is whether the ball hit the ground or not, which it didn’t. The officials have to make the call ... this is inexperience. These officials aren’t used to this kind of pressure. This is the most competitive game in the world. You can’t have amateurs working these games. This is what happened. The whole weekend was terrible. This was the culmination of exactly what was bound to happen. And it happened.”

Well he's wrong since it was a scoring play.

 

[mad sweeney]

I guessing this rule gets cleaned up in the off season. If it looks like an INT to 98% of the world and the NFL interprets the rule differently there's a problem.

Calvin Johnson's end zone play a couple years ago looked like a TD to 99.99% of the world, but the NFL interpreted it differently and never changed the rule.

Tom Brady's tuck rule play several years ago looked like a fumble to 99.99% of the world, but the NFL interpreted it differently and never changed the rule.

Why would this be different?

The NFL DID change the rule, commonly know here as the "Calvin Johnson Rule". So yes they rewrote the rule because of him. But they didn't do it until the competition committee met in the off season. The difference to me here is that as a Lions fan I HATED the call, but it was in fact the right call on the replay. In yesterday's game not only was it the wrong call but the IR got it wrong too.

They didn't change the rule at all. They just started calling it the Calvin Johnson Rule. It's still on the books exactly as it was then.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Obvious TD. Anyone suggesting otherwise is obviously fishing.

The refs were right there. It's laughable a bunch of guys on the internet are going to act like they know better.

Two officials were "right there", and there were giving contrary signals.

Different signals, but not necessarily contrary. One signaled TD, the other signaled to stop the clock. Nobody signaled interception or touchback.

Since the ball never touched the ground and no player went out of bounds, there were only 2 possible calls, interception (and touchback), or touchdown.The back judge stops the clock, then is about to signal touchback, as in these examples. One

So you're saying it was a TD.

 

[Novice2]

I guessing this rule gets cleaned up in the off season. If it looks like an INT to 98% of the world and the NFL interprets the rule differently there's a problem.

Calvin Johnson's end zone play a couple years ago looked like a TD to 99.99% of the world, but the NFL interpreted it differently and never changed the rule.Tom Brady's tuck rule play several years ago looked like a fumble to 99.99% of the world, but the NFL interpreted it differently and never changed the rule.Why would this be different?

Because its now cool to berate the refs and repeat horrible call/blatantly bad call every 15 minutes instead of just saying that's the rule.

 

[FlapJacks]

Jerry Markbreit disagrees with the NFL

Although they had 24 penalties in the game, the average NFL game has 13 penalties. There were a lot of calls that were questionable ... and of course the last play of the game, which looks to me like a no-brain interception that is ruled a touchdown, Markbreit said.

The crime of it is that the referee in this game -- the head referee -- it is his job when you have differing opinions on the play. One guy says its good, one guy says its no good. The referee comes down and discusses it and negotiates with these guys. You can usually figure out which guy has the better look at it. And the referee did not come down.

The guy who gave the kill the clock signal and looked like he was about to give the touchback signal, backed away when the side judge signaled touchdown. In reality, it was not a simultaneous catch.

Jennings went up and caught the pass and came down on the ground. The other guy (Tate) tried to grab it. It was not a simultaneous catch. Thats an interception. The only thing replay could determine then on a play like that ... they cant determine possession. The only thing they can determine is whether the ball hit the ground or not, which it didnt. The officials have to make the call ... this is inexperience. These officials arent used to this kind of pressure. This is the most competitive game in the world. You cant have amateurs working these games. This is what happened. The whole weekend was terrible. This was the culmination of exactly what was bound to happen. And it happened.

Even with the ebenfit of replay he doesn't have the sequence of events correct.

Given the bad info that ESPN was getting fed by guys like Gerry Austin and Gene Tunney, it shows that the "regular" refs are pretty bad. They don't kniow the replay rules and they can't even get a simple sequence of events correct after multiple replays and 24 hours to stew on it.

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[Tau837]

I guessing this rule gets cleaned up in the off season. If it looks like an INT to 98% of the world and the NFL interprets the rule differently there's a problem.

Calvin Johnson's end zone play a couple years ago looked like a TD to 99.99% of the world, but the NFL interpreted it differently and never changed the rule.

Tom Brady's tuck rule play several years ago looked like a fumble to 99.99% of the world, but the NFL interpreted it differently and never changed the rule.

Why would this be different?

The NFL DID change the rule, commonly know here as the "Calvin Johnson Rule". So yes they rewrote the rule because of him. But they didn't do it until the competition committee met in the off season. The difference to me here is that as a Lions fan I HATED the call, but it was in fact the right call on the replay. In yesterday's game not only was it the wrong call but the IR got it wrong too.

They didn't change the rule at all. They just started calling it the Calvin Johnson Rule. It's still on the books exactly as it was then.

That's what I thought.

 

[BassNBrew]

Didn't they further clarify / better define it as oppose to change it?

I may be mistaken on this, but everyone seems to understand this and the tuck rule now.