KellysHeroes
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1814047-nfl-taking-things-too-far-with-absurd-ndamukong-suh-fine
starting to get a little crazy
starting to get a little crazy
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NFL Taking Things Too Far With Absurd Ndamukong Suh Fine (1 Viewer)
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Devine Intervention
Footballguy
agreed. I understand for the need for player safety but that is a lot of money to take out of a guys pocket.
He put his head down, but if he didn't the top of his helmet would have hit the QBs face mask and made it head to head contact. Its really unfortunate that it has gotten to this point where you literally can't make contact with a QB without it being close to a penalty or a fine.
These players are very aware these days of the risk it is to play in the NFL, let them play.
He put his head down, but if he didn't the top of his helmet would have hit the QBs face mask and made it head to head contact. Its really unfortunate that it has gotten to this point where you literally can't make contact with a QB without it being close to a penalty or a fine.
These players are very aware these days of the risk it is to play in the NFL, let them play.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Terry Bradshaw said he wishes he was hit that soft....every player on The NFL Network said this is so out of line. This was just a regular no-nothing play. The announcers only mentioned a little pressure. Nothing about the shove.
The VP of Refs said it was a "Potential helmet to body hit"
The VP of Refs said it was a "Potential helmet to body hit"
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
its all about "intent" at this point.
and one of Suhs biggest intents is to hurt opposing players.
he will fittingly eat big ol' fines.
and one of Suhs biggest intents is to hurt opposing players.
he will fittingly eat big ol' fines.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
They should let Suh just 2 hand touch
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Max Power
Footballguy
players have been trying to hurt each other for years, lets not act like this is something new.
Terrible Fine
JAMES!
Footballguy
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Buffaloes
Footballguy
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Buffaloes
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Devine Intervention
Footballguy
I like a tough player as much as the next guy but I will admit Suh is a thug. Saying that, the hit he made was nothing of the sort.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
They can't fine him enough.
Dark Matter
Footballguy
Schlereth lost it on Mike and Mike this am regarding the hypocrisy of the NFL. Suggested that owners should get fined instead of players as a way to change the culture in the locker room if they really want to protect players.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Damn, that was even weaker than i expected.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Oh yeah, forgot about that. I know hes not well liked but theres a point when the NFL is just looking vindictiveIlov80s said:
Team ROFLCOPTERS
Footballguy
I'm not one for civil battles but Suh is starting to have grounds for a lawsuit.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
This last one was stupid, as stupid as it gets. It would have been a horrific call if it was a penalty, but a fine??? They should have fined 150 players this week then, and fined them MORE than he got.
I don't recall all the "dirty" stuff, but I definitely recall the "forearm shiver" on Cutler. Honestly, he pushed him over, he didn't hit him. And even if he did, so what? Cuter was running away from him, and he "hit" him in the top portion of the back. Probably the hardest and most resisitant part of the human body. Horrid call and fine on that one, just ridiculous. It was a PUSH!!!!
Some of his others are bad though, and suspension worthy. And that is why he is fined for breathing on people now. Here is an idea. Penalize him appropriately for the dumb stuff so that it deters him from doing it more. The NFL is just acting like a terribly poor and inconsistent parent.
I don't recall all the "dirty" stuff, but I definitely recall the "forearm shiver" on Cutler. Honestly, he pushed him over, he didn't hit him. And even if he did, so what? Cuter was running away from him, and he "hit" him in the top portion of the back. Probably the hardest and most resisitant part of the human body. Horrid call and fine on that one, just ridiculous. It was a PUSH!!!!
Some of his others are bad though, and suspension worthy. And that is why he is fined for breathing on people now. Here is an idea. Penalize him appropriately for the dumb stuff so that it deters him from doing it more. The NFL is just acting like a terribly poor and inconsistent parent.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
You mean like his latest hit that was a fine??BigSteelThrill said:
Honestly, sorry to be so blunt, but if you think that last hit warrants a fine you are an idiot.
he wanted a reputation as a tough guy, and now he has it.Football is a contact sport. Some hits will be violent. But that does not mean every hit must be with violent intent, nor even that every hit is necessary. When players realize that, thy game will be better.
NFL is getting used by players for not protecting them enough, so now the NFL is protecting players. When the players stop suing, the NFL will go back to it's head in the sand approach.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Its not just that particular situation. And Suh and everyone else need to understand that.
jsharlan
Footballguy
They should be judging the action, not the person making the action. It was a completely legal hit, one you will see several dozens times on any given Sunday. If they are going to start fining solely on who the person is and not apply this kind of scrutiny across the board, the entire process is a mockery.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Exactly. Every defensive player is trying to hurt the other team.Max Power said:
Godsbrother
Footballguy
If you are going to fine for stuff like that then just suspend him and be done with it.
There was nothing wrong with that hit but if the NFL thinks so then at the very least they should be fining all such hits. There was a hit on Big Ben last week that was much worse than that and late to boot: no penalty, no fine.
The NFL just seems to issue these fines willy-nilly and the appeal process is a joke. However I blame the players for that because they caved in during the last CBR and gave Goodell complete authority for fines, suspensions and appeals. The only team that voted against it was the Steelers.
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Warrior
Footballguy
Ah the "Officer, that other guy was going even faster than me and you didn't give HIM a ticket" excuse. Give me a break.
TartanLion
Footballguy
Exactly.
I don't make excuses for the bad hits Suh has done, but likewise, nobody should be trying to excuse how pathetic this fine is. It's either complete bias against the player or complete stupidity from the NFL. Take your pick, both are completely wrong from what is meant to be a neutral panel that you would hope had some people with brain cells running it.
I don't understand - how is it other players can tackle a QB without hitting him helmet-to-helmet, or lowering his head to hit with the crown? Suh needs to change how he approaches the game. The NFL is trying to take unnecessary hits out of the game, and that was an unnecessary hit, where suh led with the crown of his head. Given his reputation, he's lucky it was not more.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
The point that I was trying to make is that the hit on Ben was more violent than the hit Suh was fined for. If the NFL is so concerned about the safety then they should be fining them all. They review every play of every game so it is not like they can miss it, they just choose to fine some and let others slide.
Khy
Footballguy
Look, I think Suh is a bully and has deserved to be fined several times. But to fine him for this play? That's outrageous. Suh and the NFLPA probably have a legitimate case for a lawsuit against the NFL's front office here. As they can probably produce a good 30-40+ shots of QBs being hit much harder than that all season and the NFL not fining those players.
You seem to have some kind of vendetta against Suh, I'm assuming you're a Packers fan or something and a obnoxious one at that. Suh's an ###... but he didn't deserve to get fined for that hit. It was barely a hit. It was the equivalent of a kid pushing another kid on the ground.
This is like if the the police arrested a guy with 2 arrests on his record for illegal drug possession; because they caught him smoking a cigarette.
It's ridiculous and Goodell is getting out of hand with this crap. He's completely ruining the entire spirit of his motion. He's trying to make the NFL a safer league to play in. Instead he's making it a vendetta against players he doesn't like that much.
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
He didn't lead with his helmet. Suh pushed him with his arm first and there was a "potential helmet to the body". I am all for player safety but it was not an illegal or particularly violent hit. There are many worse collisions like that in every game to fine this one is ridiculous IMO.
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jsharlan
Footballguy
I agree this is happening, but in just about any other work place this is what they call discrimination.
jsharlan
Footballguy
The difference being of course that the "officer" doesn't get to review tape of all drivers on the road for a week and then dish out punishment indiscriminately afterwards.
jsharlan
Footballguy
On this particular play, Suh didn't lead with his head, you can clearly see him use his arms to push Weeden down.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Every talk show is all over this..no way this fine holds up to an appeal.
Did you see on CBS the NFL War Room that watches players? There must be 30 or more people in NY watching every play of every game..not to make sure that the calls on the field are correct,and to make sure the outcome of the game is correct, but to look for plays to fine players for. Unreal..
Did you see on CBS the NFL War Room that watches players? There must be 30 or more people in NY watching every play of every game..not to make sure that the calls on the field are correct,and to make sure the outcome of the game is correct, but to look for plays to fine players for. Unreal..
I've watched the play several times - he did not push with his arms - he led with his head. It was the force of the hit with the head that knocked Weeden down, not some innocuous push.
Again, how are other players able to tackle a QB, or "push" a QB without lowering their helmet into the QBs chest? To hear folks talk in hear, that would be impossible, yet amazing it seems to happen every week.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ks5z3flzfemrce0/Screenshot%202013-10-18%2011.28.26.png
Show me how he is using his arms, and not launching with his helmet, to push Weeden down.
I'll wait.
Show me how he is using his arms, and not launching with his helmet, to push Weeden down.
I'll wait.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
So you are saying we should fine the guy for a nice clean hit (not even that hard), just because he has had a dirty hit in the past? Swell logic
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Well in this case, the other guy was speeding, but Suh wasn't. Cop just gave him a ticket because he had a speeding ticket in the past.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I think that is a great thing, as long as they fine people for things that actually warrant a fine.
jsharlan
Footballguy
If you can't see his arms extended, I really can't help you. Perhaps you can't get beyond your prejudice.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
You want me to explain how he didnt "launch" from a still frame pic??
How bout you explain how he DID "launch" from this still frame pic.
Bring up a slow motion shot of the entire play, then we'll talk about how very, very tame that was, with 0% illegal aspects.
