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NFL to Require Teams Participate in Hard Knocks (1 Viewer)
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Joe Summer
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Seems to me that they could run out of eligible teams pretty quickly.
ThePittbully
Footballguy
The article I read said only teams that had made the playoffs 2 years in a row, had a new head coach, or had done the show recently would be exempt. Personally, I like this rule. I love Hard Knocks and I'm tired of seeing the same teams over and over. Maybe once some half decent teams do it and have some in-season success, everyone will stop being so paranoid about the negative effects it could have.
SaintsInDome2006
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The league is really getting away from something that has been one of its biggest advantages over the years and that is protecting competitive balance.
This is an example of corporate disfunction - the execs have a bad idea, they don't get anyone to acknowledge the idea but rather receive resistance and are told it's a bad idea, so what do they do? They "volunteer" teams / employees when in reality they all know it will just harm their ability to prepare for the season.
Goodell just needs to drop this.
This is an example of corporate disfunction - the execs have a bad idea, they don't get anyone to acknowledge the idea but rather receive resistance and are told it's a bad idea, so what do they do? They "volunteer" teams / employees when in reality they all know it will just harm their ability to prepare for the season.
Goodell just needs to drop this.
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
Terrible idea. Is nothing sacred anymore? Yeah, HK is entertaining but forcing teams to participate seems a step too far.
just_want_2_win
Footballguy
Agreed. The NFL also announced 3 London games next year (see the thread for that posted today) and there's even speculation, reported by CBS' Jason LaConfora, that Jacksonville is primed to be moved to London.
That plus the extra games added to the season, year-long Thurs. games, etc., makes it seem like Goodell's greed knows no boundaries.
And that's on top of the hard to enforce hit-high rules...well, the NFL's super popular and I agree with making player safety a priority and with exploring ways to take advantage of the popularity, but you have to wonder if he's going to break it.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
He has already broken it IMO. I know I'll sound like an old fart but the NFL was much better in the 70s, 80s and 90s than it is now.
I understand the focus on player safety and can't quibble with that, but the bolded stuff is seriously denting my enjoyment. Not sure why there is a need for this bull####.
Hoss Style
Footballguy
I would gladly sacrifice my entertainment from Hard Knocks to make the NFL a little bettter. I can't believe they are forcing teams to do this. I guess the moral of the story is - if you continually suck you will be subject to the whims of the NFL. (Only teams that don't make the playoffs are forced, correct?).
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Hoss Style
Footballguy
Btw, my sister is dating a guy in England and he says they couldn't give two s*#ts about the NFL over there. He said they show up for the games because it's kind of like a carnival or something - fun to go to because it's different but they would lose interest if it happened too often.
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
Would love to see a NE hard knocks
Hoss Style
Footballguy
Same here. I just don't think any team should be forced. Entice the teams with something else, like money, TV revenues, a boost in some other way. I just don't like the gestapo tactics the NFL seems to be leaning towards lately.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Yeah, without looking at the numbers, I'd think the league is generally going to see 16-20 different teams make the playoffs during most 2-year windows.
A good chunk of the other 12-16 teams are, of course, going to be sporting new head coaches.
With the 10 year thing, I think they could be looking at about 5 candidates most seasons.
For this year, unless I missed something it would've been:
Panthers
Bucs
Raiders
Titans
Rams
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Cookiemonster
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Agree wholeheartedly, and why I'm retiring from fantasy football after this year. NFL The Corporation has killed my interest in professional football, the last professional sport I enjoyed. I think I've only watched ONE game in it's entirety this year, and this has most of the reason for it. Video game scores with rule changes increasing scoring. Excessive defensive penalties and suspensions. Saturating the market with a lesser product. Crappy Thursday games EVERY WEEK... Is this #### run by Disney?
Ease up on the money making, and get back to a good game. Goodell's legacy will be bringing in tens of millions of lukewarm, fair-weather fans with a demographic of higher annual salary while losing hundreds of thousands of hardcore football nuts. Goodbye NFL. It's been awesome.
BassNBrew
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I highly doubt that anyone would be "forced", and besides doesn't the team thats on hard knocks get a portion of the profits. Theres goto be something in it for the owner.
kupcho1
Footballguy
So many better ways they could have gone about this.
For example: Dutch auction prior to the draft.
Live bidding. Hell you could even televise it (they seem to do that with everything else they do).
Working backwards, supplemental 7th round pick ... no takers ...supplemental 6th round pick .... and so on
First to buzz in wins it.
For example: Dutch auction prior to the draft.
Live bidding. Hell you could even televise it (they seem to do that with everything else they do).
Working backwards, supplemental 7th round pick ... no takers ...supplemental 6th round pick .... and so on
First to buzz in wins it.
Owners voted on it
Goodell is only enforcing his Bosses rules.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Belichick's aloofness, and sullenness would be off the charts funny. Is the owner still prancing around with that girl who is eighty-years younger than he is? That would be a trainwreck subplot.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
The guy who I would love to see how he operates behind-the-scenes is Sean Payton.
Phenix
Footballguy
What are you talking about? Did you not see BBs "A Football Life" he has personality in the right setting. Also, Krafts wie died last year, what woman would you be talking about?
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
I did see it. Belichick had complete total control over the filming, and he still seemed vaguely hostile about the whole thing. HBO controls the output of "Hard Knocks". I don't think that will sit too well with Belichick.
Mr. Irrelevant
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The Man Who Met Andy Griffith
Footballguy
Yes, I too remember when Hitler sent the Gestapo to make the Jews star in a cable TV show they didn't want to.
kupcho1
Footballguy
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Steelers will be #32 on the list for filming. Saving the best for last. 
Das Boot
Footballguy
It is a great idea. I'd tweak it by not simply awarding it to the first team that buzzes in, but by allowing all teams that want to throw their hat into the ring for a certain round draft pick to do so, then the producers pick the best team for Hard Knocks out of them.Mr. Irrelevant said:
Hoss Style
Footballguy
I honestly wasn't going to respond here, thinking you must know that this phrase, along with tons of others from history, has worked its way into common English lexicon. But then I thought maybe you actually don't know, so I'll respond:The Man Who Met Andy Griffith said:
Dictionary dot com defines "gestapo tactics" as "intimidating official procedures." This is how I meant it. I've never seen someone take this phrase as a literal comparison to the actual Gestapo unless it was specifically discussed as such. No offense was intended.
If I've just been fished or trolled, I'll take that chance. Just wanted to clear that up.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
I don't see the problem with forcing different company departments to participate in company commercials.
You know that's all Hard Knocks is, right? A long-running infomercial promoting the upcoming NFL season. It's not there to entertain you. It's there to drum up more business and better ratings. The entertainment part is just the means to an end.
The NFL is one business with 32 offices scattered throughout the country. Sometimes the business wants them to participate in a commercial to promote the business. Sometimes they want them to travel overseas to promote the business. That seems pretty reasonable.
Stop thinking of the NFL as a sports league and start thinking of it as a company, and their decisions will all make sense.
You know that's all Hard Knocks is, right? A long-running infomercial promoting the upcoming NFL season. It's not there to entertain you. It's there to drum up more business and better ratings. The entertainment part is just the means to an end.
The NFL is one business with 32 offices scattered throughout the country. Sometimes the business wants them to participate in a commercial to promote the business. Sometimes they want them to travel overseas to promote the business. That seems pretty reasonable.
Stop thinking of the NFL as a sports league and start thinking of it as a company, and their decisions will all make sense.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I can't wait to see Hard Knocks: Jacksonville next year.
Mr. Irrelevant
IBL Representative
Thinking about how to televise this kept me up for hours in the middle of last night, because of course it did.
So here goes: picture the 32 NFL GMs seated on a tiered podium in the style of the briefcases in "Deal or No Deal", a giant button in front of each. There's an MC - hell, might as well have it be Howie Mandel - with a screen behind him. The screen reads:
Round 7, Pick
250
... or whatever number is the last pick of the following year's draft after all the compensatories, etc. are added.
A bell sounds, and every six seconds afterwards, the number on the screen decreases by one. Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick ... 249. Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick ... 248. And so on.
First GM to hit their button is awarded that pick in next year's draft - the "Hard Knocks Pick" - in exchange for his team being featured on the show. At a rate of ten picks per minute, the whole thing would most likely be over in 10-15 minutes ... but that's easily enough to build a two-hour TV special around. And imagine the drama!
I bet you'd easily draw an audience comparable to Day 2 of the draft, if not more. Get on this, Roger!
kupcho1
Footballguy
This presumes you'd open it up to those teams that are now otherwise precluded from HK (e.g., playoff teams over the last 2 years). Good change.
Do it in March (2 months prior to the draft) assuming HBO would have sufficient time to put things in motion.
Hoss Style
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RBM
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Sarnoff
Footballguy
If no more coaches are fired (teams with new coaches are exempt from being forced on the show), and if no one else volunteers, one of these eight teams can be forced to be on the next season of Hard Knocks: Bears, Bills, Giants, Cardinals, Jags, Raiders, Rams, or Steelers.
I'd think Giants or Steelers would be HBO's top draws...
I'd think Giants or Steelers would be HBO's top draws...
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I would like to see the Cards or Rams. Both are teams that are on the cusp of being really good (I kind of predicted them, but I figured the Rams would be better than AZ). Teams sometimes tend to go through a sophomore slump with a new coach, so I'd say Rams over Cards for viewing pleasure.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Are playoff teams exempt also?
I thought this was by-and-large a way to promote not only the league but a team as a way to increase a teams direct fanbase.
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mad sweeney
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QuizGuy66
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Maybe Hard Knocks would be the appropriate penalty for Tomlin's sideline transgression 
I have a hard time seeing them forcing Coughlin - it would fascinating largely b/c of the uncertain relationship b/w him and management these days.
Bears - another big draw - and a team that might be good enough to disqualify itself for next year. (Same applies to Steelers)
Raiders - the ghost of Pete Rozelle would do this to spite the ghost of Al Davis would be interesting to see how the younger Davis operates.
Bills - not the sexy pick and a team they can probably save.
Cardinals - I guess you can get a Palmer redux - basically the follow up to his earlier Hard Knocks stint and a strong team. Fitzgerald already is media savvy appearing nfl radio broadcasts each week. 11-5 team that missed playoffs is intriguing.
Rams - the Bradford situation, #2 pick and slew of youngsters would be attractive - given they have 3 very tough teams in their division they are another team the NFL can probably save for later.
-QG
I have a hard time seeing them forcing Coughlin - it would fascinating largely b/c of the uncertain relationship b/w him and management these days.
Bears - another big draw - and a team that might be good enough to disqualify itself for next year. (Same applies to Steelers)
Raiders - the ghost of Pete Rozelle would do this to spite the ghost of Al Davis
would be interesting to see how the younger Davis operates.Bills - not the sexy pick and a team they can probably save.
Cardinals - I guess you can get a Palmer redux - basically the follow up to his earlier Hard Knocks stint and a strong team. Fitzgerald already is media savvy appearing nfl radio broadcasts each week. 11-5 team that missed playoffs is intriguing.
Rams - the Bradford situation, #2 pick and slew of youngsters would be attractive - given they have 3 very tough teams in their division they are another team the NFL can probably save for later.
-QG
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I forgot about Palmer's experience with it. Was he already on the Raiders for Bengals II? Arians seems a bit unconventional and with a good to great team, a QB who knows the HK challenges, a fan base that needs to be kept interested in the resurgence of a team that's largely been a doormat (with a few exceptions) for years, in the toughest division hands down in the league, could all be intriguing to the TV producers that are in league with Goodell. Maybe that's something they could rally around to try and avoid the sophomore slump.Maybe Hard Knocks would be the appropriate penalty for Tomlin's sideline transgression
I have a hard time seeing them forcing Coughlin - it would fascinating largely b/c of the uncertain relationship b/w him and management these days.
Bears - another big draw - and a team that might be good enough to disqualify itself for next year. (Same applies to Steelers)
Raiders - the ghost of Pete Rozelle would do this to spite the ghost of Al Davis
Bills - not the sexy pick and a team they can probably save.
Cardinals - I guess you can get a Palmer redux - basically the follow up to his earlier Hard Knocks stint and a strong team. Fitzgerald already is media savvy appearing nfl radio broadcasts each week. 11-5 team that missed playoffs is intriguing.
Rams - the Bradford situation, #2 pick and slew of youngsters would be attractive - given they have 3 very tough teams in their division they are another team the NFL can probably save for later.
-QG
